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Hi bitcointalk community it's yulx in. I felt the need to make one of these threads since my life is pretty much useless now. It's pretty much my rant, out of anger. If you don't know me, I'm yulx (John). I joined Primedice in late PD2 2013. I think it's the biggest and coolest casino, and always has been.

Ok, so, there are 2 ppl in question here. 1 is azaan (aka azaan1) and candy (we all know this scammer). In short, both conned me out of 10+ BTC. The first was azaan. He kept begging me for a loan, and I normally do loan him to gamble, he is a good friend. He asked me for 0.015 BTC, a relatively smaller amount, and so I sent to him. Except, Coinbase didn't pick-up the "period", I think I skimmed over the key. And so, I sent him 1.5 BTC to his Primedice address. I noticed this once I saw it on high rollers, and then I smashed my laptop. It is cracked.. but it's still usable. I tried PM'ing Stunna but he gave me no direct answer. Stunna has my money, and he is refusing to co-operate with an old customer.

The second time around was just today. Candy was on. Ok, my explanation is, I've known candy since PD2. He's been legit to me. No lie, I have loaned him amounts of 1 Bitcoin and over, and he is consistently repaid. Well today, we came in contact, and I explained how I was angry that azaan is in a bad financial situation, and I have no chance at getting my 1.5 BTC back. He somehow used his persuasion skills to lure me into his plan. He told me he can easily gamble up 10 BTC to 11.5, without a doubt. I am not that dumb, I said no. Then he said this: "I can gamble on your PC, on Teamviewer, and you can stop me anytime." We talked for ~20 minutes, and I said f*** it, I need that 1.5 back. He joined me on my livestream, and logged into my PC onto Primedice. I then deposited, but I am so stupid! He started betting on my PC, then just went back to his own PC and betted the rest away within minutes, but I didn't notice since every so seconds he would make a bet on my PC!

Azaan1: Lost my 1.5 BTC to Stunna
UnmteCandy (known scammer): Lost 10 BTC to Stunna

I hope Stunna can co-operate, he has my 11.5 BTC  :-\. Also another problem is the "Wait another minute to make another request" upon withdrawing. It is a scam. 1 minute is actually 10 minutes, I can make a video. I don't really like how Stunna is handling things at this moment. Stunna, a fellow Aussie is in need of help, I honestly feel like killing myself, I feel so stupid.

/rant

Please leave Candystripes and azaan negative trust if they have accounts here.

From my opinion: Its customer's fault, Stunna has no other way to verify your story because you everyone can claim such story.. What happens if candy or the other guy won? Then you keep all the winning but if you and the other party involved lose, you will claim that you get scammed.. LOL

Your best bet here would be to create a formal scam accusation thread rather than a thread in the lending section.

Your rant would be better appreciate there as long as it is coupled with hard evidence, such as proof of the scams and associations and attempts to contact for resolution, etc etc. That way we can have a good standing record of other users facing similar problems, and get the issue handled to the best of the capabilities this forum has to offer.

I hope stunna gives you back your money back and ban those users, thay are shitting on his business

your thread saying primedice fucked you but its not the primedice who is fault for your bad desisions.
regards.
-Katerniko1

I've never felt this low in my life, the worst part is that my money isn't even with the scammer, it's the fact they both lost to a guy who has no sympathy for anyone, and he wants all the money for himself :(

Stunna/Edward, what is 11.5 BTC going to do in your life? :( 11.5 is almost all I had to my name

Stunna has won't likely be going to give him the btc back.

If yulx did due diligence this won't be happening and if Stunna did gave the money back then expect more of this sob stories going to float in the forum..

I know it can be rough for you, but I don't think Stunna is going to refund that. If she gave refunds ever so often then people would be asking all the time. You're best bet would be to post this in the scam accusation tab and provide proof to back your statements up. And also never EVER trust a stranger on the internet. People are different on the internet as they can hide under their monitor. I sincerely hope the best for you and wish this never happens to anyone again.

Just wondering, if you typed 0.015BTC and you didn't type the period, why would it send 1.5BTC instead of 15?

You think I had 15 BTC? I'm poor as f*** dude I feel like committing suicide!

No, what TriggerX's question is was that you sent 1.5 BTC instead of 15 BTC.

If you mistype 0.015 and forget to put in the period, you would type in 0015, not 001.5

How did that happen?

WTF you're right! WTF! This makes me more angry at myself! I don't even f***ing remember, I assumed that since it sent 1.5. This makes me MORE angry at myself! I'm so phenomenally stupid! GRRR. I just want to take this anger out of me, I don't know how. I just wanna stab myself and go to the hospital and sleep for a couple days so I don't have to think of what I have been doing. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO, YOU SEE! COINBASE WONT REFUND, STUNNA WONT REFUND, MY MONEY IS GONE!

Because of one f***ing period I misplaced! F*** you Coinbase and you too Stunna, you are all greedy and poisoned with the blindness of money. I just needed this to LIVE!

What I can say here that is your own fault because you giving someone a loan for gambling. That is really bad thing that you can come up with. I dont think that they have any responsible for betting on your money there because they can suddenly get out from this after scamming all of your money so this is not primedice fault anyway

Well tough luck. Stop complaining, it's your fault.

Yes. You should always check the amount of Bitcoin before clicking the send button (or whatever). You should also not trust someone with 3000 worth of Bitcoin. The more you want to get back your Bitcoin, the chances of losing is pretty high. I hope you will not gamble or trust any third-part with your Bitcoin again.

Sorry to read all this, but I must say that you have done something wrong, letting someone access your "private" account.
I assume PD has a policy about sharing your private information with 3rd parties. (Most websites have)

Also, your title is misleading. Stunna doesn't owe you anything. You got yourself in this position, not Stunna.
Gambling is an addiction and it can ruin lives. You're ruining your life right now, because of gambling.

You lost MONEY, not a person you love, or even your HEALTH.

Move over, try not to think about your loss (It's hard I can imagine, but well) because you can get into depression.
If you need professional assistance, you should ask for. If you believe you are addicted to gambling, please visit this website:


I wish something could be done, but there can't be done anything. You "pulled" the trigger.

Wish you good luck in the future.

Sorry for your loss but the truth is this is NOT by any way fault of Primedice or Stunna, the 1.5 BTC you sent to whoever was your mistake, you should have checked prior to hitting send as to how much you were sending and giving someone else (scammer or not) 10 BTC to gamble just because they promised that they would bring you back 1.5 BTC you lost earlier was again foolish and again totally your own fault.

If I trust somebody on this forum and send them some BTC and then blame Theymos/bitcointalk for it then that's not right. The only thing Stunna can do is ban these users but they would probably join again with another nick and vpn. Apart from that I don't think anybody can help you in this.

Stunna (nor prime dice) has your money. The fact that you sent BTC to a PD address does not matter. You sent BTC to azaan. The fact that he gambled (and presumably lost) with your money on PD does not mean anything.

The same is true with Candy. I am not sure why he would attempt to gamble with your money on his computer (nor how he even gained access to your account on his computer), however by providing him access to your account, any bet he made would count as if you personally made the bet.

I am assuming that both ultimately busted and I don't think you would be complaining if they had won and simply not repaid you. When the bets were made, stunna/PD took the risk that they might have had to payout on the bets if they were winning bets.

looks to me that he talked with a stranger for a solid 20 minutes on a magic internet money gambling site and then decided it was alright to let them have access to their pc through teamviewer, with a good 3k+ usd worth in bitcoin just sitting in their PD account.

The worst part was that azaan LAUGHED when he lost!

Well he said that he knew candy in the past from lending to him in the past.

What doesn't make sense to me is why candy would want to gamble on his own computer. I don't see what candy would possibly gain from doing this.

I will repeat what people above said:"Primidice didnt fucked u". U do that by yourself. Next time be more carfull who to trust. And how can some one make u to send 10 btc ( now its 3000 dollars) ??? Are u kidding me? If this guys are real they prepared u for this. They were watching u, borow a little, and then big HIT. Like in a movies. And I`m here 2 months, and i read a lot about gabmling, and scams on internet u shoud do it also! Educate yourself. And one more thing :
" He somehow used his persuasion skills to lure me into his plan. He told me he can easily gamble up 10 BTC to 11.5, without a doubt. I am not that dumb, I said no. Then he said this: "I can gamble on your PC, on Teamviewer, and you can stop me anytime." We talked for ~20 minutes, and I said f*** it, I need that 1.5 back."   Did u read what u wrote man!?!?!?!??!
My advice is leson learned! We are still alive, once again starting from beggining. Try to contact someone if u wish, but this is your fault man.

lol u loaned candy

Loaning to candy is like the worst decision you can make. Candystripes is a known scammer and spammer of this community.

That story doesn't make any sense why op blaming Stunna for his lose, is that loan system officially announced there it look 100% greed of him that is why he is out of money now. 

Stunna is responsible for your lose that makes me laughed well ;) grow up man and take responsibility of your lose any official person make you forced to give loan to scammers it is your fault and that is why you are crying over there, i don't think anybody can help you to get recover.

I am pretty sure that OP is trying to "fuck Primedice over" as appears to be a professional troll who does this. I wouldn't think that this story is that believable either and may be someone losing bitcoins themselves on Primedice, which is their own decision, and trying to get some sort of "refund" from Stunna which is specifically stated in the FAQ that Primedice will never give out refunds.

rule1: never lend bitcoins to gamblers  ;) its allways turn out bad

Rule number 2: Never gamblin this is just for STUPID people


the thing happend to you its just because you dont care about your btc, you will be far from gamblin if you really need this money

Probably he was laughing at you for being a gullible to trust him..

I bet Stunna wont even post in this thread..

How much will you bet for it?  ;D

I'll bet my dust in the wallet probably around 50k satoshi.. Lol

AFAIK Primedice discourages loans. In fact, they disallow it. I think this is one good example/reason why they set up the rule in the first place.

Loaning to gamblers is never a good idea.

But PrimeDice had nothing to do with this whole situation. They are totally marginal in this story. The problem is that Op lent his money to wrong people, how that is PD fault?
It is not PD problem and will be astonished if Stunna do something about that situation. Also the title of OP is really misleading, please change it.

Long story short: if you want to lose friends lend them money.

The worse low life to trust apart from druggeis.

Wow, stupidest thing I've ever read on the Internet. Primedice has NOTHING TO DO with your dumb mistakes. Sorry to say this but SWALLOW your losses and move on.

I doesn't really seem like Stunnah's fault neither primedice.Two things you did totally out of the zone :

1.What made you gave teamviewer access to candy when YOU KNOW HIM as a famous scammer ? Who in the name of Virgin Mary risks 10BTC with a known scammer?

2.Giving loans to azaan wirth 1.5 btc,you had any collateral ? Trust and Friendship are not valid collaterals in the financial market.

As far as your getting your btc's are concerned don't think you will be getting them as stunnah is not even part of it ,its your stupid decisions and probably trusting wrong people. Learn from the mistake and secure your life.

I am very sorry for your loss, but I am afraid Stunna will not and should not send you back the money. If Stunna send you back the loss, it is likely others will learn from your second incident and will pretend to have their account hacked/teamviewered before making the losing bets. Or they will learn from your first incident and send bitcoin to their life-long friends or alt accounts to make the bets and claim the transaction was accident if the bets lose.

Yup that is impossible to get back amount which is lost by stupidity because there no rules or guarantee you'll get back if you lost your amount to other gamblers by giving loan so forget about this and now you will learn bitter lesson with this mistake.

LOL so in wich world youre living? this is the base of the capitalism.

This guy just learned a good lesson stay away from the gambling

Not good lesson i think this much bitter reality so after this shocking experience op will never give loan on any gambling site to unknown person who are just usernames.

You wrote that you feel stupid .. I am not surprised.

This is not Stunna fault. You should be happy if he will be so kind and will pay you at least some of the lost .. which I doubt.

I'm sorry, man. Let this story be a lesson for others.

I Think , You alraedy told that he is poor and he is your good friend , when it is all so then why dont you ask him as a friend  ,I dont Find Stunna involved in any of this. Nor he will contribute to such matter.

Candy is a scammer , You are just fool , you called him once that he was legit to you and again you call him vice-versa.
I think you are confuse and solely responsible for all loss.

Bro it's all your fault, of course stunna wont return your money it's not PD problem, next time dont trust anyone in internet if he dont give any collateral

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=208986.msg12987074#msg12987074

That is reply of Stunna regarding this issue and i think that is true he is not responsible for player's stupidity. ;D

You are a fucking idiot sir. You decided to transfer someone else money (your fault) and then you let someone else remote access your computer to lose your 10 coins. You did not get fucked by primedice. You fucked yourself. What if you won 200 coins from the 10 coins? What then? You fucked yourself. Don't blame stunna for this.

Lock the thread already , its due to your own stupidity and nothing to do with primedice. Cant believe you allowed Candy to gamble with your funds lmao. About time you learned to do something else besides primedice day till night. Take it as a sign mate.

Not to be mean, but say things correctly.  He asked for a loan of 0.015 and YOU made the mistake of sending the wrong amount.  He is responsible for the amount that he asked for and no more.  If you go in a store and the cashier gives you to wrong change, that does not mean you are required to fix their mistake.  You messed up and now you have to live with that.

Just as people said before me, this all boils down to you and your own decision making. There is pretty much nothing a casino can do in this situation because you gave access to other users.
It would only be the sites fault if someone hacked your account (due to security issues that are site related).
Unfortunately it seems you need to take this as a learning opportunity and try to move on.

This is not Stunnas fault and its basically your misjudgement and stupidity that you are in this situation.

I'm really sorry this happened to you, but as many people already stated above, it's all your fault. Not Stuna's, not someone elses but yours and I think you know it.

What can I say? Just forget about it and move on. I know it's hard but you should find strength inside yourself.

Good luck mate!

It's clearly a bad situation for you, hindsight is 20/20 vision but you should never chase your losses.

Also I think it's only fair your edit the subject of this thread, as PrimeDice have done nothing wrong.

Do you know the definition of capitalism? If yes then please explain how capitalism even relates to the situation mentioned ? The post is clearly about one friend getting cheated by other on the basis of trust .There are no financial documents/legal laws or anything as such involved in the trade,moreover this doesn't even seem like a trade.

The only true part of the story is indeed that yulx lent azaan 1.5 btc, the rest is bs.
I have a strong feeling op is candy himself trying to scoop up some btc from all of you and stunna with his sob story. I know for a fact that yulx gave his primedice accounts to candy. So they are connected to that extent.
Beware of that manipulative person, just because he screams the loudest doesnt make his story waterproof.

Locking the thread would be only right thing to do and leave neg. trust to op

 If you are giving just like that over10btc over 3000$ to some people that you are really strange.But what is about with Primedice,you didnt your btc to them,but to some people.Hard to believe you

If OP is making up a sob story, Stunna probably has some records of him talking to Candy on PD or Candy making bets with a lot of Bitcoin. However, I doubt Stunna will give him back his Bitcoin, as it is not PrimeDices fault. I agree that screaming loud does not mean that he is telling the truth, but we'll need more proof before we decide to give him negative trust.

I won alot of BTC on primedice and never had issues

i dont want to sound harsh and i am sorry for the loss but this is another good example of why loans and investments are strictly against the chatrules.

since things like these happen all the time it's really important to understand why the chatrules are in place as they are (and respect them). 

you are dealing with anonymous people in a gambling chat with (basically) anonymous money where you can't roll back transactions. there is no such thing as trust in an environment like that. i learned that myself the hard way and lost even more than you.

an expensive lesson, but still a lesson learned for me.

Op should learn fro the mistakes he made , instead of blaming Primedice and stunna , I am a frequent Player over PD and never found any cheat over there , Chat is just to let others know you not to lend coins.

But the real question is: "How Op can be so delusional that he believes that PrimeDice "fucked him over"" or have anything to do with his loss?

..and expecially on a gambling site I would add...