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http://news.yahoo.com/weapons-used-paris-attacks-bought-german-dealer-report-085607402.html

Apparently the assault rifles were bought from the dark web.

A suspected seller is held by the german authorities.

Any thought regarding the place of Bitcoin in this story ?

This belongs in politics and society subforum I geuss, so move the topic please :)

No way, i think all "armories" in the deep web are a scam.

That arms dealer would have sold the weapons through Bitcoin if he was selling them on the darknet. However there is no proof as of yet that conclusively links him to the Paris attacks. It is only speculation at this point. They need to check the weapons used in the Paris attacks before determining anything. Of course if it is found that he sold the guns to the attackers with Bitcoin, the media is going to jump all over it and somehow bring Bitcoin into it and make Bitcoin seem like an evil thing.

This can not be proven because all sources can not be found via them using the darkweb or darknet or what ever you would like to call it.
All in all guns and muntions can be bought from any source and even given away to their enemies to fight a war that they don't want to directly fight in. Like what happened in Iran Russia conflict.

it's more simple buy a gun or a rifle in the real life… if you have cash, and ask to the right person, with some lucky you can find it.
also if you have a good knowledge of deep society ;D ambient, yes you can find much easier than dark web.

About this … I have some suspicious it's only a click baiting campaign just FUD ...

While it is politics and society it is also a bitcoin related case. It is hard to judge in this case. My view on this is matter is simple: bitcoin is a money, and every kind ofmoney can be used to purchase weapons and tools for terrorists. It is like blaming weapon factory for this crime because they are producing these guns - it is flawed logic.

I read other stories about it that say the police are playing down suspicions the arrested arms dealer sold the weapons used in the attack. It's the newspapers that are speculating. It's too early to say whether the story is true or not, it's all speculation. Until the police make a statement we won't know the truth.

On the dark web they sell a lot of things that are forbidden in most country's. Of course they use the dark web on ebay would be stupid if you selling weapons. Supply and demand will always be there.

So what? What about all the weapons that they are using in Syria? Or the Russian rockets that shot down a plan abovo Hungary?

Those were bought with fiat..

I do not see how this is big deal when fiat and many other currency used to buy illegal items to. And yet, bitcoin is shine in bad light?
It make no sense, why bitcoin so vilified for this

Not bitcoins fault,blame the murderous bastards who designed the planned to kill innocence people to prove something stupid in general.

I think it's more likely that they bought them from the CIA with dollars.

you cant blame bitcoin at all. When people rob banks for dollars bills no one said we gotta get rid of these dollar bills....

Once you realise that ISIS,  IS, ISL, alkieda or what ever the fuck they are calling it this week, was set up, funded, armed and let loose by western intelligence services, it puts things into perspective.

Yahoo news ?
Pure clickbait !

If they were bought from Germany isnt the real question how did they get the guns from Germany to Paris, thats the real issue.

No discussion. That weapons, if bought there, are bought for sure with bitcoin. Is the only money there (as I know). And this have reaction even in the market of the weapons there. But is funny the reason. Not for the security of the humanity but for the security of the sellers. Anyhow all connected with the events of Paris.

Read the full article in the link here: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/technology/dark-web-gun-market-halts-6891724 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/technology/dark-web-gun-market-halts-6891724)

Yes, bought with BTC. Because you can buy illegal stuff with BTC only.

they are probably buying their weapons at a blackmarket, so i doubt they are using bitcoin, but any form of low fiat or even their own currency exchanged for the local currency, will work

The yahoo article in the OP doesn't even mention Bitcoin.

In any case, if there is an example of Bitcoin being used by terrorists, the authorities should be happy. Bitcoin is much easier to trace than cash.

the guy arrested was converting starter pistols... not automatic guns

secondly he was supposedly selling automatics to people in paris..... yet the paris terrorists lived in brussels, not paris.

thirdly the police raided his house for other reasons and only 'believe' there might be a link, because AFTER raiding his house they found emails on his phone..

... um darknet markets do not trade via email!!

It is not easy to find the link between the buyers and sellers of guns with bitcoin. So all this type of news are only spreaded to bring the bitcoin price down and to force government to banned bitcoin like cryptocurrencies.

I agree . All the things in darkweb about scam. There is no proof.

What an irony, lol.

"hahahafr" OP name, posts this thing. :D

Well.. what if the weapon would have been paid in Euro ?
This still wouldn't be a reason to Ban Euro as a currency..
Same about oil... governments selling weapons for oil.. still.. Oil is not illegal yet

there is no proof they bought those AKs using bitcoin
I bet they bought it using fiat
If they bought it using bitcoin we would see a really huge transactions few days before the attacks and we would notice it in blockchain right away

There are, so far, in every block the "huge transactions"!
open the block chain.info homepage… see with your eyes.
in what sense "we would be notice"?

You can't exaggerate a news just because it's related to Bitcoin!
Bitcoin is the victim, someone use it for crime (just like fiat money).

just because some people decided to buy guns from the dark web doesnt necessarily mean they were bought using bitcoin. bitcoin is actually not that anonymous and if they find one address they find all of them. Bitcoin doesnt deserve a bad name because of what happened. it wasnt bitcoins fault

I'm pretty sure all this "news" about bitcoin being used in the attacks are mostly unsubstantiated.

Has anyone actually seen any hard evidence linking the usage of bitcoin in large scale terrorism? Although, on the flip side, I guess they probably wouldn't publish too much of the evidence to the public when active investigations are ongoing.

Still, I think most of this is just people imagining it being used.

Too bad they didn't use Monero.. anon transactions etc..

yup.. CNN just FUD'ing ..Trolls  ::)

there are always huge transactions made throughout the day. these weapons could be bought months before the actual attack. what you say doesn't make sense at all. these weapons could be bought with anything. gold, silver, traded for a car or something else with value. bitcoin receive the blame again. let them prove it first.

the seller accused in this situation did in fact only accept bitcoin

they found ross. and blake. and a shitload of darkweb dealers

I think it's true because illegal stuff can buy only with BTC.

Every time the Dark Web is mentioned, people immediately accept that Bitcoin was associated with it, they would not have used stolen credit cards or hacked PayPal accounts...

No No No.... it has to be Bitcoin. So if these guys, went there and they did odd jobs for cash and they used that cash to buy knifes and they stabbed people to death... would

they have made accusations against cash or the store where it was bought? Guess not... It's just that Bitcoin is special.

No gun illegal gun merchant would accept stolen credit cards or hacked Paypal accounts. And they've already arrested the illegal gun merchant. And terrorists would most likely not use a regular gun shot. Because, you know, they're terrorists.

Yes, exactly. I wonder if we ban BTC completely there will be no more illegal weapons, drugs, and black markets and terrorism will be gone.
Oh, wait. It won't be gone, because evil doers will always find a way! That is why it is completely wrong to blame: BTC, FIAT or other currencies for it.
Lets talk for a moment: how terrorists are financed exactly? Money and BTC are magically appearing in their wallets?
No. Someone is giving them money. And without fixing that problem first, there won't be end of a terror, ever.

My neighbors little kid terrorizes my cat when it ends up in his back yard. There's only one way to end terrorism worldwide: kill everyone on the planet.

No, it's not true. 2 years ago there is an hacker stealing BTC wallet and transfer all BTC on the hacked to his wallet. After a week, police caught him. Finally BTC is anonymous.

What did you mean?
Probably this hacker make some mistake… try to catch block 0 owner :D

This is just fud. C'mon why does everytime that something bad happens it has to do with bitcoin? Even if it was bought through the darkweb it doesn't mean that it was bought with bitcoin. Besides, the buyer would need to meet with the seller to receive the guns so probably the was done when they meet, therefore it would be more certain that it would be paid in cash.

I'll guess that 50% or more of 'dark web' arms and drug dealers are law enforcement or compromised by them. You'd buy terrorist arms from the usual fanatics in the Balkans, not some random asshole at the other end of Tor.

I saw a video with a skilled Pakistani arms vendor who would make a gun or rifle to order while you wait like fast-food. Any gun you wanted, he would forge all the parts from scratch in sand pit. A $2k gun made from scrap wood and rusty bits of metal in minuets.

Before 2009 there wasn't any gun selling. Such a shame Bitcoin! You're a bad boy, really really bad boy.

AH HA ! ..look at the bold part i quoted ;)

I was wondering why most of you here we're being so defensive about this topic.

Did i miss the part where ANYONE said Bitcoin causes terrorism ?

Try reading the topic title and the comments etc carefully people.

Nothing EVER changes.
Some type of negative story makes it's rounds about Bitcoin.
And we get the brigade storming in with anti-FUD

Way i see it yeah they probably did buy guns with Bitcoin BUT !
so what.. it's a currency ..those things are going to happen.
who cares, move on it's not a big deal.

I would be more inclined to take BTC more seriously as a True Currency if it's adopted by illegal markets.

You have any proof of that? In my country, you can buy a gun on the streets without a credit card or PayPal and
nobody will ask any questions. How would a gun shop owner know it is a stolen credit card, if it is accompanied with
a fake ID document? All these things can be bought online.  ::)

1,000s of smartphones on hand when carnage occurred: ✓
CCTV cameras on every corner taping the carnage: ✓
Live terrorist drills in progress during the onslaught: ✓
Zero pics of real carnage: ✓

Bitcoin is a digital (crypto) currency and it can be used for everything, what if they bought them usingi dollar? should dollar be banned? of course not it is only a currency and people should not think like bitcoin is dangerous.

911, 2001.

Halloween, 2008.

Friday the 13th, 2015.

September
October
November

If the pattern continues, the next major event will be in December, 2022.

It's possible but I doubt terrorists will wait that long to strike a western country again. They're already destroying the middle east.

However, I don't think there's any solid prove that the guns were bought with bitcoins. I believe they used blackmarket to get their weapons.

It's simply propaganda to try to keep people away from Bitcoin... pay attention to mainstream media,you are going to see more and more stuff coming being negative to Bitcoin in this fashion. Of course they will never address the fact goverment distributed fiat money is an absolutely scam and that it is the real ponzi and not Bitcoin. You should use this to keep taking advantage of the early adopter phase which will be extended to at least 2 more years.

Well perhaps they are buying it with Bitcoin. And perhaps they bought litecoin first, then dogecoin, then Bitcoin to keep off further traces.

Perhaps they used an apple computer to do the buying too. My point is, lots and lots of means can be used to finally get the guns. Does that say something about those means being evil or good? I think not. But press keeps pushing it like that it seems.

But why would anyone bother to do that? Do you see any propaganda campaigns against any other payment systems like Authorize.Net, PayPal, Google Checkout, Amazon Payments, Dwolla, Stripe, Braintree, Samurai, WePay, 2Checkout, Applepay, Square or any other? What makes Bitcoin so hated and if people feel that negatively about it how could it ever go mainstream?

Silk road rep is legendary so it makes sense people draw assumptions..
Viewing the outside world honestly is important.
I wouldn't be thinking Propaganda because the public think Bitcoin is for buying drugs and guns.. long before Paris.

Do i think the guy in the picture below used Bitcoin ? probably not but i bet it does happen sometimes.

http://i65.tinypic.com/2rqzhgo.jpg

That image is so nasty looking I couldn't even read what you said. lol

I hope jihadists are using bitcoin. It'll make it allah funny when they realize the blockchain contains the truth about their violent pedophile "prophet" and the centuries of terror that followed in his wake.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1177520.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1177520.0)

https://blockchain.info/tx/8b3d8e580ecf6fbcf1b488f2f32eebdd437e3ff5691d12d2d6882fc299cee0dc (https://blockchain.info/tx/8b3d8e580ecf6fbcf1b488f2f32eebdd437e3ff5691d12d2d6882fc299cee0dc)

Try beheading the blockchain scumbag throwbacks.

Suppose someone bought a gun with a stolen credit card before the credit card owner realized it had been stolen. How could a gun shop refuse that stolen credit card before it had been reported stolen? The shop could do a check on the card to ascertain if it's reported stolen, but if the check came up clean how could the shop know it's stolen?

If it was accompanied with fake ID the shop would sell without a shadow of a doubt. Try buying a gun with Bitcoin in that shop and you would ge refused. Freshly stolen credit cards would be useful for buying uns from brick and mortar shops, not Bitcoin.

From the naivety of this comment, I would guess you haven't ever gone through the process of purchasing a weapon have you ? If you are going to illegally purchase a weapon, why would you go to a Store (with cameras, paperwork & honest, trained, licensed sales people) to do it ?

No store is going to risk their future over 1 sale. They would rather send a single potential sale out the door rather than risk it.

Oh yeah. I forgot we were considered as "The dark side of transaction". Bitcoin could have also been easily used to prevent the terrorist attacks, but my explanation to why is a little complicated.

i think this is one of many way to make people hate or be wary with bitcoin,some people may not respect or dont like bitcoin,and they use some way to make bitcoin have bad image. but i dont think its will succed,some people can't ignore the ease of bitcoin,and also the future payment.

That is the right argument. Most weapons are bought with fiat. Most of them are supplied by governments.

How so, then? If bitcoin could have helped, in what way? I have never seen such a statement like this before, because all I see were bitcoin being tagged as "the bad guys' money." It's been like that for ages, since bitcoin first saw its purpose on the SR.

Uhm,i live in Europe. You can travel from germany to France WITHOUT showing your ID on the borders, because they are OPEN! You can carry anything you want in a car or truck in Europe. Gus, terrorists, drugs, ...

Open borders, are one of the issues that is being put on rather big spotlight, Because we have a flood of immigrants coming from all sides. And forcefully splitting them equally among all nations will not work if they decide to travel cross Europe to the country with biggest benefits. Also terrorists and whatnot.

Didn't a car full of guns get busted just a day before the attacks?

I don't think this can actually be proven. It actually shouldn't matter if they are using bitcoin as their currency.

If they are using bitcoin, they are probably using the dollar and euro currency more often, that doesn't have any effect on those currenies.

I have been exploring the dark web recently (this was actually how I came across Bitcoins in particular). From what I have seen without even trying to find it, you could easily buy guns, drugs and many other stuff over there.

How could bitcoin prevent these terrorist attacks? I don't think there's anyway someone outside of that organization would've known that they planned this.

Unless there were threats of course.

Ok, you can buy such stuff with bitcoin it doesn't mean bitcoin is illegal, before bitcoin was release there was not terrorist,drug dealers, or any illegal activity ? bitcoin is not reason for this, people always find ways. so there is nothing wrong with bitcoin but with people,we can't blame bitcoin for this.it depends on user how they use it, there are many people using it for innovation and legal use.

ok but those that earn bitcoin by selling illegal stuff must dump at some point, and it's there that they risk to get caught

actually there is a way to connect or at least limit the possibility of a buy order of something to a movements of coins, you need to know the exact amount that was used

No, not necessarily even that. If you know whom the suspect is, then just track the devices that person uses (with a warrant of course). Every device has an IP Address, no matter where it is connecting from (and very often it is not illegal to 'listen' to the data floating through the air on a wireless signal). You would see one of those devices make a transaction to the Public Ledger (ala "man in the middle" attack). If the suspect is then found to have a illegal *Weapon/Widgit/Whatever* ... Bingo ! Illegal Transaction confirmed, as well as BOTH wallets to the transaction. Follow the money to the 'exchange for cash' point, and the dealer is then also busted.

THAT is why no intelligent Arms Dealer would use Bitcoins as a currency.

Monero and other coins claim to be untraceable.. and YOU ALL KNOW IT !
why are you all hiding from that point dodging it here ?

And ignore TheGr33k his/her fanboyism and excessive positivity is overly jubilant LOL
bitcoin prevents Terrorist Attacks News @11 ROFL

And that guy said earlier.. SR was the first major use for Bitcoin.. exchange trading does not count.
Usage as a trade commodity and usage as a currency are two separate things.
So since that is reality then.. uhh what is the debate here ?

Who the fuck cares with what type of money they bought them guns?  This is an invalid argument, and the mainstream media is cocked up in the head, as usual.  The darkweb aspect of all this is intriguing, but the accusation that they used bitcoin to buy is not. 

It would be funny if they had used buttsexcoin.

I cannot believe that organisations as ISIS (Islamic State) buy their weapons on marketplaces at the darknet. They only rely on trusted sources within the organisation.

Its easy to blame BTC here because it has already a negative reputation.

I don't believe it! 

If you blame Bitcoin ... then you must also blame the US $.
Mexican Drug Lord home after being raided https://imgur.com/a/y62Xa

Thats right, thats BILLIONS of US $'s, not Millions.

22 Billion USD in cash stored in a closet LOL.

This humble man had enough to buy in cash all Bitcoins in circulation plus every other shitcoin ever created and still have plenty of cash left for basic life necessities such as gold plated AKs and lion pets.

You don't find trezors or paper wallets at drug lords' homes after a raid, just good old USD cash

Does the case prove US dollar is the most used drug money. $22 billion is a lot. He can buy most of the bitcoins in the world.

Strong possibility this is completely false and a hack piece against the validity of Bitcoin.

Would this be news if they were bought with Euros?  ::)

That can not possibly be 22 billion USD. 22 bilion USD means 220,000,000 benjamins，each bill weighs 1 gram, that means 220,000 kg，which is 220 metric ton, or about the weight of six 18wheeler trucks. Does that stash look like it weighs 220 metric tons or six 18 wheelers?

Do you mean that news could be false? Or the amount of the money is not calculated properly?

I think this is pure speculation, since there's no evidence, i mean, real evidence, presented.

It really seems like people trying, once again, to throw dirt at bitcoin. Pump & Dump stuff..