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Post by: AnonX on November 20, 2012, 06:12:05 PM
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Title: Re: Kim Dotcom bought 5 million dollars worth of bitcoins?
Post by: Blazr on November 20, 2012, 06:13:48 PM
I call BS. I can't find it even mentioned anywhere else on the net.


Title: Re: Kim Dotcom bought 5 million dollars worth of bitcoins?
Post by: greyhawk on November 20, 2012, 06:14:38 PM
I kinda doubt that. Kim spent most of last week hating on Black Ops 2.


Title: Re: Kim Dotcom bought 5 million dollars worth of bitcoins?
Post by: Benson Samuel on November 20, 2012, 06:16:31 PM
It seems possible.

But, could use citations.


Title: Re: Kim Dotcom bought 5 million dollars worth of bitcoins?
Post by: darkmule on November 20, 2012, 06:17:21 PM
Wouldn't this have noticeably spiked the price?


Title: Re: Kim Dotcom bought 5 million dollars worth of bitcoins?
Post by: Benson Samuel on November 20, 2012, 06:26:37 PM
Doubt if it would have been noticed with all the Wordpress news as well at the same time.


Title: Re: Kim Dotcom bought 5 million dollars worth of bitcoins?
Post by: Spekulatius on November 20, 2012, 06:27:59 PM
Wouldn't this have noticeably spiked the price?

If everybody else is also still looking for sources: No.

I cant find anything either and think its likely a hoax. No sources provided in tweet, only:
Quote
kim dotcom bought #Bitcoins for 5 millions USD over 2 weeks

So I think its BS. If however it would be proven soon price would skyrocket (15$, 20$?).


Title: Re: Kim Dotcom bought 5 million dollars worth of bitcoins?
Post by: BCB on November 20, 2012, 06:32:44 PM
Tangible Cryptology is out of Bitcoin??


Title: Re: Kim Dotcom bought 5 million dollars worth of bitcoins?
Post by: MrTeal on November 20, 2012, 06:36:44 PM
I'd say BS without some substantial proof, especially considering that most of the tweets from that person are for retarded MLM referral schemes.


Title: Re: Kim Dotcom bought 5 million dollars worth of bitcoins?
Post by: Yuhfhrh on November 20, 2012, 06:57:44 PM
Extremely unlikely considering we are still under $12.


Title: Re: Kim Dotcom bought 5 million dollars worth of bitcoins?
Post by: SgtSpike on November 20, 2012, 07:02:24 PM
Negative ghostrider.


Title: Re: Kim Dotcom bought 5 million dollars worth of bitcoins?
Post by: repentance on November 20, 2012, 07:21:03 PM
Wouldn't this have noticeably spiked the price?

Not if exchanges weren't used.  While I suspect this report is bullshit, don't forget that there are people out there who'd welcome the chance to dump large amounts of Bitcoins under the radar - pirate, for one - and who don't need to get market price for them to make substantial profits.


Title: Re: Kim Dotcom bought 5 million dollars worth of bitcoins?
Post by: LiteBit on November 20, 2012, 07:31:03 PM
Let's think about this for a sec, Ted. Why would somebody put a guarantee on a box? Hmmm, very interesting.

Go on, I'm listening.

Here's the way I see it, Ted. Guy puts a fancy guarantee on a box 'cause he wants you to feel all warm and toasty inside.

Yeah, makes a man feel good.

'Course it does. Why shouldn't it? Ya figure you put that little box under your pillow at night, the Guarantee Fairy might come by and leave a quarter, am I right, Ted?

What's your point?

The point is, how do you know the fairy isn't a crazy glue sniffer? "Building model airplanes" says the little fairy; well, we're not buying it. He sneaks into your house once, that's all it takes. The next thing you know, there's money missing off the dresser, and your daughter's knocked up. I seen it a hundred times.

But why do they put a guarantee on the box?

Because they know all they sold ya was a guaranteed piece of shit. That's all it is, isn't it? Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time. But for now, for your customer's sake, for your daughter's sake, ya might wanna think about buying a quality product from me.

Okay, I'll buy from you.


Title: Re: Kim Dotcom bought 5 million dollars worth of bitcoins?
Post by: franky1 on November 20, 2012, 08:42:24 PM
unless kim is going to offer selling bitcoins i see no benefit in why kim would need to purchase large amounts of bitcoins.

i thought kims idea was to receive/accept bitcoins from users. to then cash out as fiat to pay real world costs of living a luxury lifestyle.

so unless kim becomes an exchange selling bitcoin to the community, i do not see this as being part of the business plan. but maybe a personal investment plan (if it were true) to grab a chunk of coins and as bitcoins recognition expands making that initial investment worth more.


Title: Re: Kim Dotcom bought 5 million dollars worth of bitcoins?
Post by: rebuilder on November 20, 2012, 08:47:55 PM
I can see why a somewhat impulsive rich guy (assumptions based on media coverage) with a whole bunch of legal problems might want to stash some funds. But yes, evidence please.


Title: Re: Kim Dotcom bought 5 million dollars worth of bitcoins?
Post by: RodeoX on November 20, 2012, 08:50:38 PM
I just sent him the question. Maybe he will say one way or the other?


Title: Re: Kim Dotcom bought 5 million dollars worth of bitcoins?
Post by: julz on November 20, 2012, 09:24:39 PM
Hmm.. rumours like this make me bearish on Bitcoin for some reason.
I guess it smacks of desperation and fanboi pumpism - and I think that how bitcoin is perceived is one of the primary factors in adoption rate at the moment.

I got no bites on a facebook offer to give away 0.1BTC to friends who posted an address.. I only posted yesterday.. but still - if ya can't give em away.. what mogul is going to rush in with a 5Mil purchase?

(maybe only $1 worth is a bit small to be giving away.. but it was partly to see if people were even curious about bitcoin. Not even a 'like' so far.. but hey I only have a little over 100 friends - so perhaps not surprising.)


Title: Re: Kim Dotcom bought 5 million dollars worth of bitcoins?
Post by: Benson Samuel on November 20, 2012, 10:23:43 PM

I got no bites on a facebook offer to give away 0.1BTC to friends who posted an address.. I only posted yesterday.. but still - if ya can't give em away.. what mogul is going to rush in with a 5Mil purchase?



I don't mind biting on that 0.1 BTC. :)


Title: Re: Kim Dotcom bought 5 million dollars worth of bitcoins?
Post by: nobbynobbynoob on November 20, 2012, 11:00:03 PM
I got no bites on a facebook offer to give away 0.1BTC to friends who posted an address.. I only posted yesterday.. but still - if ya can't give em away.. what mogul is going to rush in with a 5Mil purchase?

(maybe only $1 worth is a bit small to be giving away.. but it was partly to see if people were even curious about bitcoin. Not even a 'like' so far.. but hey I only have a little over 100 friends - so perhaps not surprising.)

I've been facing similar issues. Can't even give away BTC0,10 or 0,25, as I've tried. I'm curious to see whether an offer of BTC25 would work, though! :) However, not all's lost. I've got a couple of friends/contacts on FB and G+ interested in BTC. Two of those friends live in the southern hemisphere, including one in Africa (Botswana). That my Botswanan friend is interested in Bitcoin doesn't surprise me, seeing as he's intelligent, a scientist in a national institute and posted earlier on FB complaining about the severe inflation rate of his local currency! Perfect foil for BTC. Hopefully he'll get some of his local friends in on the act and hey presto, an expanding BTC economy in Botswana.


Title: Re: Kim Dotcom bought 5 million dollars worth of bitcoins?
Post by: marcus_of_augustus on November 20, 2012, 11:02:53 PM
AFAIK Kim Dotcom's assets were all frozen and he is living on only 'small' amounts that the court grants him ... i.e. I don't think he has access to $5 million.


Title: Re: Kim Dotcom bought 5 million dollars worth of bitcoins?
Post by: Bitcoin Oz on November 20, 2012, 11:03:44 PM
unless kim is going to offer selling bitcoins i see no benefit in why kim would need to purchase large amounts of bitcoins.

i thought kims idea was to receive/accept bitcoins from users. to then cash out as fiat to pay real world costs of living a luxury lifestyle.

so unless kim becomes an exchange selling bitcoin to the community, i do not see this as being part of the business plan. but maybe a personal investment plan (if it were true) to grab a chunk of coins and as bitcoins recognition expands making that initial investment worth more.

Unless the megabox comes with a bitcoin wallet containing some coins.


Title: Re: Kim Dotcom bought 5 million dollars worth of bitcoins?
Post by: bbit on November 20, 2012, 11:17:10 PM
B.S


Title: Re: Kim Dotcom bought 5 million dollars worth of bitcoins?
Post by: repentance on November 21, 2012, 01:05:21 AM
unless kim is going to offer selling bitcoins i see no benefit in why kim would need to purchase large amounts of bitcoins.

You don't think that someone like him would be constantly on the look out for ways he might be able to hide the location and extent of his assets?  Remember that he had to get permission from the NZ High Court to borrow money to pay his legal bills earlier this year and to sell some of his assets.  I suspect that he'd rather not be in a similar situation in the future.

He'd be in a shitload of trouble if it became known to authorities that he'd somehow managed to use hidden assets to buy $5 million worth of Bitcoins so either this is a beat up or he's trusted the wrong people.


Title: Re: Kim Dotcom bought 5 million dollars worth of bitcoins?
Post by: giszmo on November 21, 2012, 02:07:59 AM
I call BS, too. If it were true, it would be a good advise to sell now. A $5M purchase not getting the price to a new all time high would get me very very bearish.
https://i.imgur.com/Cvwwz.jpg?1

OTOH if I ever plan to launch a multi-million dollar worth of bitcoin only business I sure as hell would make sure to get some bitcoins for myself or at least for my business.


Title: Re: Kim Dotcom bought 5 million dollars worth of bitcoins?
Post by: smoothie on November 21, 2012, 02:13:29 AM
"hey gaiz, word press just bought $25,000,000 in bitcoins"........i have no source but it must be true.  :D


Title: Re: Kim Dotcom bought 5 million dollars worth of bitcoins?
Post by: justusranvier on November 21, 2012, 04:40:12 AM
I don't remember the link but somewhere there's a web site that will calculate the price movement that a large order would cause based on the existing order book. The widget on bitcoincharts almost does this (but there's a better version somewhere), and using this I got that you could spend almost $5 million by buying 120020 BTC on Mt Gox.


Title: Re: Kim Dotcom bought 5 million dollars worth of bitcoins?
Post by: vokain on November 21, 2012, 06:31:46 AM
I got no bites on a facebook offer to give away 0.1BTC to friends who posted an address.. I only posted yesterday.. but still - if ya can't give em away.. what mogul is going to rush in with a 5Mil purchase?

(maybe only $1 worth is a bit small to be giving away.. but it was partly to see if people were even curious about bitcoin. Not even a 'like' so far.. but hey I only have a little over 100 friends - so perhaps not surprising.)

I've been facing similar issues. Can't even give away BTC0,10 or 0,25, as I've tried. I'm curious to see whether an offer of BTC25 would work, though! :) However, not all's lost. I've got a couple of friends/contacts on FB and G+ interested in BTC. Two of those friends live in the southern hemisphere, including one in Africa (Botswana). That my Botswanan friend is interested in Bitcoin doesn't surprise me, seeing as he's intelligent, a scientist in a national institute and posted earlier on FB complaining about the severe inflation rate of his local currency! Perfect foil for BTC. Hopefully he'll get some of his local friends in on the act and hey presto, an expanding BTC economy in Botswana.

mostly because commoners don't know the worth of a bitcoin


Title: Re: Kim Dotcom bought 5 million dollars worth of bitcoins?
Post by: Seal on November 21, 2012, 07:13:05 AM
I don't remember the link but somewhere there's a web site that will calculate the price movement that a large order would cause based on the existing order book. The widget on bitcoincharts almost does this (but there's a better version somewhere), and using this I got that you could spend almost $5 million by buying 120020 BTC on Mt Gox.

MtGoxLive will show this:

http://mtgoxlive.com/orders

Except a $5mill order would make it go off the scale. $1mill is enough to shift the price to > $14 a btc

I call BS.

Cross referencing the last month:

http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#rg30ztgSza1gSMAzm1g10za2gSMAzm2g21zv

For daily volume, with any two week period he would have made up the entire period's trading volume to acquire $5mill (if he was trading USD... which is the biggest BTC market)


Title: Re: Kim Dotcom bought 5 million dollars worth of bitcoins?
Post by: Herodes on November 21, 2012, 09:59:59 AM
but maybe a personal investment plan (if it were true) to grab a chunk of coins and as bitcoins recognition expands making that initial investment worth more.

He's all about personal gain. And I think he's reasonably smart. If price rise significantly, and he sells out slowly, he could even retire on that money...


Title: Re: Kim Dotcom bought 5 million dollars worth of bitcoins?
Post by: Ente on November 21, 2012, 10:21:03 AM
I don't remember the link but somewhere there's a web site that will calculate the price movement that a large order would cause based on the existing order book. The widget on bitcoincharts almost does this (but there's a better version somewhere), and using this I got that you could spend almost $5 million by buying 120020 BTC on Mt Gox.

I like http://bitcoin.clarkmoody.com/ (http://bitcoin.clarkmoody.com/) for exactly that.

Ente


Title: Re: Kim Dotcom bought 5 million dollars worth of bitcoins?
Post by: Fcx35x10 on November 21, 2012, 03:48:55 PM
last i heard, wasn't he denied bail again? seems a little unjust :/


Title: Re: Kim Dotcom bought 5 million dollars worth of bitcoins?
Post by: Raize on November 21, 2012, 06:15:04 PM
This did not happen. As others have stated, it would be impossible to do this and not significantly move the price. There are folks running bots that anticipate large sell and buy orders already. I have problems buying just $1k worth in less than an hour without significantly moving the price, even without doing a market buy.


Title: Re: Kim Dotcom bought 5 million dollars worth of bitcoins?
Post by: darkmule on November 21, 2012, 08:40:16 PM
last i heard, wasn't he denied bail again? seems a little unjust :/

No, after being denied bail initially, the decision to deny him bail was overturned and he's been out since February.

It is increasingly appearing that the only violations of criminal law in this case were by the police and New Zealand government.


Title: Re: Kim Dotcom bought 5 million dollars worth of bitcoins?
Post by: Lethn on November 21, 2012, 09:07:58 PM
I kinda doubt that. Kim spent most of last week hating on Black Ops 2.

Who can blame him? I'm hating on a lot of shitty mainstream games these days, not necessarily because of the gameplay anymore but more because of how poorly built they are.


Title: Re: Kim Dotcom bought 5 million dollars worth of bitcoins?
Post by: luv2drnkbr on November 22, 2012, 04:05:10 AM
last i heard, wasn't he denied bail again? seems a little unjust :/

No, after being denied bail initially, the decision to deny him bail was overturned and he's been out since February.

It is increasingly appearing that the only violations of criminal law in this case were by the police and New Zealand government.

And NZ apologized to him for violating his rights...


Title: Re: Kim Dotcom bought 5 million dollars worth of bitcoins?
Post by: thoughtfan on November 22, 2012, 08:37:28 AM
That my Botswanan friend is interested in Bitcoin doesn't surprise me, seeing as he's intelligent, a scientist in a national institute and posted earlier on FB complaining about the severe inflation rate of his local currency! Perfect foil for BTC. Hopefully he'll get some of his local friends in on the act and hey presto, an expanding BTC economy in Botswana.
Yaaay :)  I'd absolutely love to see rapidly expanding Bitcoin economies in developing nations (see my related thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=126535.0)).  I'd like to support it.  This might be worth splitting the thread to discuss but I wonder if there's a relatively simple way by utilising the features of Bitcoin (that I barely understand) to have a reasonable chance of being able to donate to such a project without it being a 'project' with legal charity status and significant administration.

Just off the top of my head, using the above example, how about us offering 0.1 BTC gifts to your professor friend's friends - and to their friends?  So we'd have a thread here for people to post their addresses to which I (for one) would make a payment requiring the professor's signature to verify they are indeed his friends.  Of course this depends on contributors being content that you really do have a professor friend in Botswana whom you judge to be trustworthy enough to play his role that the recipients are within his local economy. Not that I'm doubting either but ideally we'd have a built in means of verifying this kind of thing too.  For it to work we'd need to have confidence it wasn't just someone creating multiple addresses to harvest others' good will; we'd need for it to be low enough maintenance for a volunteer (such as your professor friend) to be able to handle without disrupting his workday.

I can already see weaknesses but I haven't got the time to think it through properly right now.  Ideas?  Thoughts?



Title: Re: Kim Dotcom bought 5 million dollars worth of bitcoins?
Post by: nobbynobbynoob on November 24, 2012, 10:58:11 AM
This is a great idea! I'll have to ask him what he thinks of this but it sounds good in principle. Here is his Facebook profile (http://www.facebook.com/lopson.kay) and Bitcoin address (http://payb.tc/balopix01), whose only two transactions thus far are paid by yours truly.