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Title: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: bitcoinmarkets on December 05, 2015, 12:08:19 AM original link: http://www.bitcoinfuturesguide.com/bitcoin-blog/the-fbi-says-it-has-arrested-the-mysterious-and-elusive-silk-road-architect-variety-jones-in-thailand
http://www.bitcoinfuturesguide.com/uploads/6/4/6/5/64656757/2871027_orig.png The FBI announced today through a press release that they arrested the architect of Silk Road, from the statement: http://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/manhattan-us-attorney-announces-arrest-and-unsealing-charges-against-senior-adviser (http://: http://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/manhattan-us-attorney-announces-arrest-and-unsealing-charges-against-senior-adviser) Quote CLARK, WHO WENT BY THE ONLINE NICKNAMES “VARIETY JONES,” “VJ,” “CIMON,” AND “PLURAL OF MONGOOSE,” WAS DESCRIBED BY ULBRICHT AS A TRUSTED “MENTOR,” WHO REGULARLY ADVISED HIM ON THE MANAGEMENT OF THE SILK ROAD ENTERPRISE. AMONG OTHER THINGS, CLARK COUNSELED ULBRICHT ON THE IMPROVEMENT AND EXPANSION OF SILK ROAD’S TECHNICAL INFRASTRUCTURE, INCLUDING HELPING ULBRICHT HIRE AND MANAGE A COMPUTER PROGRAMMER TO ASSIST WITH THESE PROJECTS. CLARK ALSO HELPED ULBRICHT DEVELOP AND ENFORCE THE RULES GOVERNING HOW SILK ROAD VENDORS AND USERS COULD DO BUSINESS ON THE SITE, WHICH WERE DESIGNED TO MAXIMIZE THE COMMISSIONS THAT ULBRICHT RECEIVED FROM SILK ROAD SALES. CLARK FURTHER ADVISED ULBRICHT ON HOW TO CONCEAL HIS INVOLVEMENT IN, AND HIDE HIS PROFITS FROM, THE OPERATION OF SILK ROAD, INCLUDING HELPING ULBRICHT DEVISE COVER STORIES TO TELL OTHERS AND MAKE PLANS TO OBTAIN FOREIGN CITIZENSHIP AND OFFSHORE BANK ACCOUNTS. FINALLY, CLARK ALSO ADVISED ULBRICHT ON TACTICS TO THWART EFFORTS BY LAW ENFORCEMENT TO INVESTIGATE SILK ROAD. IN THAT VEIN, CLARK REPEATEDLY ADVOCATED THE USE OF INTIMIDATION AND VIOLENCE TO KEEP MEMBERS OF THE SILK ROAD SUPPORT STAFF FROM COOPERATING WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT. IN ONE SUCH CONVERSATION, IN WHICH CLARK AND ULBRICHT DISCUSSED “TRACK[ING] DOWN” A CERTAIN SILK ROAD EMPLOYEE TO ENSURE THAT HE HAD NOT GONE “ Clark is a 54-year-old Canadian man living in Thailand who is being arrested by the Americans for supposed crimes done years ago. The long arm of Uncle Sam is unforgiving.
Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: unamis76 on December 05, 2015, 12:13:30 AM This is definitely not Bitcoin Discussion...
Let's see what happens to this guy on trial. I just hope that mainstream media doesn't start saying that this guy is a Bitcoin expert and his business was based on Bitcoin ::) Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: bitcoinmarkets on December 05, 2015, 12:15:56 AM This is definitely not Bitcoin Discussion... Let's see what happens to this guy on trial. I just hope that mainstream media doesn't start saying that this guy is a Bitcoin expert and his business was based on Bitcoin ::) Eek sorry if i posted in wrong section. Yea knowing the media they will label him "Bitcoin CEO" lol! Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: Quickseller on December 05, 2015, 12:17:12 AM Does anyone know when VJ was arrested? Was it very recently, or has he been in custody for a while now?
Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: countryfree on December 05, 2015, 12:34:09 AM Legendary Russian arm dealer Viktor Bout was also arrested in Thailand. I guess this isn't a safe country to settle down if you're wanted by the FBI. He should have moved to Russia like Snowden, but I suppose he didn't like the weather up North.
Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: var53 on December 05, 2015, 01:32:38 AM Legendary Russian arm dealer Viktor Bout was also arrested in Thailand. I guess this isn't a safe country to settle down if you're wanted by the FBI. He should have moved to Russia like Snowden, but I suppose he didn't like the weather up North. He could have tried moving to Ecuador. It's warm and offered Julian Assange a safe haven, but maybe it wouldn't be as keen to grant a Russian arms dealer citizenship. I doubt many of those South American countries extradite people to the USA, but perhaps getting citizenship in one isn't easy for arms dealers. Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Venezuela offered asylum to Snowden, but I suppose that's different. Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: btckold24 on December 05, 2015, 01:45:41 AM Sigh already had a person go. Hey you see that bitcoin guy got arrested :'( why do people
always want to only try and make btc look bad instead of pointing out that this guy would of been a criminal either way. Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: QuestionAuthority on December 05, 2015, 02:59:32 AM What a dumbass. Thailand and the US have been close allies since the Vietnam war.
Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: meono on December 05, 2015, 03:06:25 AM What a dumbass. Thailand and the US have been close allies since the Vietnam war. Dumbass indeed. Few hundred KMs and he could be in Vietnam where US cant do shit. Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: zivone on December 05, 2015, 03:10:35 AM O, he should have came here in the Philippines, he can actually hide in the "maximum security" prisons here just like high profile illegal doers just chillin' in a hotel-like room still doing their illegal businesses protected by some high ranking officials, if you know what I mean.
Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: Spoetnik on December 05, 2015, 03:15:50 AM Legendary Russian arm dealer Viktor Bout was also arrested in Thailand. I guess this isn't a safe country to settle down if you're wanted by the FBI. He should have moved to Russia like Snowden, but I suppose he didn't like the weather up North. I think the guy from Pirate Bay was nabbed over there too And WOW drama ! The FBI is nabbing guys from Canada in Thailand ? jurisdiction much ? Reminds me of Kim Dotcom's raid in New Zealand by the FBI. Note to self don't hide out in Thailand LOL Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: tokeweed on December 05, 2015, 07:17:02 AM Quote He also was the original Dread Pirate Roberts, which Ross Ulbricht ended up inheriting. Now the FBI has ordered the Thai authorities to put him under arrest. So it could be that he's made some kind of deal between then and now to cooperate and make it easier for him. Or maybe he just wasn't laying low enough and they eventually caught up with him. There's a third option: Ross Ulbricht may have made a deal with the feds and ratted him out. Something which I wouldn't blame him for or judge him. Prison is a hard place. Especially for a guy from the suburbs and isn't a hardened criminal. Edit: If, in the coming months, Ulbricht gets his sentence shortened or something, then I wouldn't rule it out. Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: Quickseller on December 05, 2015, 07:28:57 AM Quote He also was the original Dread Pirate Roberts, which Ross Ulbricht ended up inheriting. Now the FBI has ordered the Thai authorities to put him under arrest. So it could be that he's made some kind of deal between then and now to cooperate and make it easier for him. Or maybe he just wasn't laying low enough and they eventually caught up with him. There's a third option: Ross Ulbricht may have made a deal with the feds and ratted him out. Something which I wouldn't blame him for or judge him. Prison is a hard place. Especially for a guy from the suburbs and isn't a hardened criminal. Edit: If, in the coming months, Ulbricht gets his sentence shortened or something, then I wouldn't rule it out. I would say the chances are greater that it was either the guy from MD who Ross put a "hit" on, or one of the corrupt agents working on the MD case who was the confidential informant, and would say the chances are that it was the former, as the complaint says that the informant was yet to be sentenced. Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: AGD on December 05, 2015, 08:42:12 AM Quote He also was the original Dread Pirate Roberts, which Ross Ulbricht ended up inheriting. Now the FBI has ordered the Thai authorities to put him under arrest. So it could be that he's made some kind of deal between then and now to cooperate and make it easier for him. Or maybe he just wasn't laying low enough and they eventually caught up with him. There's a third option: Ross Ulbricht may have made a deal with the feds and ratted him out. Something which I wouldn't blame him for or judge him. Prison is a hard place. Especially for a guy from the suburbs and isn't a hardened criminal. Edit: If, in the coming months, Ulbricht gets his sentence shortened or something, then I wouldn't rule it out. Thomas Clark has written an email to the prosecutors, telling them where they can find him. He really seems to have a plan and this story is far from over. Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: Spoetnik on December 05, 2015, 01:13:49 PM hmm interesting comments guys surprised no one here cares..
And not Bitcoin News ? WOW ::) The Bitcoin fanboyism around here makes my eyes bleed. If a guy bought child porn with Bitcoin we would here ..it's not a Bitcoin story LOL Well did he use Paypal ? Damn the idiocy just utterly rattles me around here.. like WTF people ? can you guys possibly just suck it up and realize there is always going to be good & bad BTC related News ? I hear the most dumbest crap imaginable when guys go into over time denying BTC involvement in bad things. It always winds up looking pathetic.. Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: Kprawn on December 05, 2015, 01:30:11 PM Quote He also was the original Dread Pirate Roberts, which Ross Ulbricht ended up inheriting. Now the FBI has ordered the Thai authorities to put him under arrest. So it could be that he's made some kind of deal between then and now to cooperate and make it easier for him. Or maybe he just wasn't laying low enough and they eventually caught up with him. There's a third option: Ross Ulbricht may have made a deal with the feds and ratted him out. Something which I wouldn't blame him for or judge him. Prison is a hard place. Especially for a guy from the suburbs and isn't a hardened criminal. Edit: If, in the coming months, Ulbricht gets his sentence shortened or something, then I wouldn't rule it out. I would rather say, Ross Ulbricht was the fall guy for this Clark guy... The master mind behind everything was Variety Jones from the start. ::) The search for Variety Jones was more intense than the search for Satoshi Nakamoto. :P ....Hopefully this will be the end to the whole Silkroad saga now. What next... prosecution of all the Silkroad users? It just shows you... You can hide, but the truth will catch up to you... sometimes it just takes a while. Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: QuestionAuthority on December 05, 2015, 01:32:38 PM Quote He also was the original Dread Pirate Roberts, which Ross Ulbricht ended up inheriting. Now the FBI has ordered the Thai authorities to put him under arrest. So it could be that he's made some kind of deal between then and now to cooperate and make it easier for him. Or maybe he just wasn't laying low enough and they eventually caught up with him. There's a third option: Ross Ulbricht may have made a deal with the feds and ratted him out. Something which I wouldn't blame him for or judge him. Prison is a hard place. Especially for a guy from the suburbs and isn't a hardened criminal. Edit: If, in the coming months, Ulbricht gets his sentence shortened or something, then I wouldn't rule it out. I would rather say, Ross Ulbricht was the fall guy for this Clark guy... The master mind behind everything was Variety Jones from the start. ::) The search for Variety Jones was more intense than the search for Satoshi Nakamoto. :P ....Hopefully this will be the end to the whole Silkroad saga now. What next... prosecution of all the Silkroad users? It just shows you... You can hide, but the truth will catch up to you... sometimes it just takes a while. That's been happening from the beginning. When I first came to this forum Silk Road was a taboo subject. Simply posting a link to the onion address would meet with an immediate deletion and doing it more than once was a permaban. There were lots of shit talking druggies that spoke up for SR and how great it was to be able to anonymously buy drugs on-line. I see they're all gone now. Did they get scared and leave or get busted? We will probably never know. Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: DGulari on December 05, 2015, 03:08:15 PM What next... prosecution of all the Silkroad users? First the 10,000 silk road dealers. Then, the 100,000 silk road customers. It will take a while, but they will all end up in jail. most getting a term somewhat less than life. But most will get a very long sentence. International drug dealing on the wire is highly illegal. And use of bitcoin makes it de facto include money laundering. These people are well and truly fucked.It just shows you... You can hide, but the truth will catch up to you... sometimes it just takes a while. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: Spoetnik on December 05, 2015, 03:18:47 PM I have been paranoid enough about SR i would never even put those keywords in Google.
Takes a pretty huge idiot to think he has a way to be anon and untraceable on the internet. Just boils down to a users resources and skills. Even a dumb user who can barely surf the web could prob use all the NSA abilities to do a lot. I generally group things as follows.. types of internet trackers. - Morons. - Intermediate users. - Advanced users. - Elite or Overly Motivated (guys who don't mind spending money for credit reports etc) - General Law enforcement. - Govt Agents with Custom Services or Tools + Expanded Special Resources. So when guys think they can hide from all of the above i just roll my eyes and tell them.. Buy Monero ! ..it's secure and untraceable If the SilkRoad guys used Monero instead they might have gotten away with it. HONEST i am a huge Monero supporter ! I argued with them about their "Anon" coin.. it gets old ::) just let the idiots believe what they want.. Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: pereira4 on December 05, 2015, 04:15:08 PM This is definitely not Bitcoin Discussion... Let's see what happens to this guy on trial. I just hope that mainstream media doesn't start saying that this guy is a Bitcoin expert and his business was based on Bitcoin ::) Eek sorry if i posted in wrong section. Yea knowing the media they will label him "Bitcoin CEO" lol! I remember reading back in the day when someone related to Bitcoin, I think from the Bitcoin Foundation or something like that, committed suicide, I saw some news in some digital newspapers talking about how the "CEO of Bitcoin committed suicide yesterday", it was absolutely hilarious. People's misunderstanding on how Bitcoin works knows no limits whatsoever. Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: bryant.coleman on December 05, 2015, 07:23:58 PM Legendary Russian arm dealer Viktor Bout was also arrested in Thailand. I guess this isn't a safe country to settle down if you're wanted by the FBI. He should have moved to Russia like Snowden, but I suppose he didn't like the weather up North. Russia is not safe either. Russia has prosecuted owners of Bitcoin-based businesses in the past, and the authorities don't view crypto-currencies in a positive light. That said, I don't think that there is a single country in the world, where marketplaces such as Silk Road will be allowed to operate. Russia is no exception to this. Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: crazywack on December 05, 2015, 07:39:55 PM This is definitely not Bitcoin Discussion... Let's see what happens to this guy on trial. I just hope that mainstream media doesn't start saying that this guy is a Bitcoin expert and his business was based on Bitcoin ::) Eek sorry if i posted in wrong section. Yea knowing the media they will label him "Bitcoin CEO" lol I remember reading back in the day when someone related to Bitcoin, I think from the Bitcoin Foundation or something like that, committed suicide, I saw some news in some digital newspapers talking about how the "CEO of Bitcoin committed suicide yesterday", it was absolutely hilarious. People's misunderstanding on how Bitcoin works knows no limits whatsoever. That was just a "CEO" of a lower volume exchange. The media will do anything to make Bitcoin look risky. The question is with all the VC money and big name companies investing is it more likely a well organized TROLL attempt to keep the public out of the space in order to get a large holding and footprint in this tech before it goes mainstream? I think so... My tangent for the day ;) As for VJ, he shouldn't of done the interview a few months back and brought publicity to himself. Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: Blue_Tiger73 on December 05, 2015, 08:42:31 PM OMG. This is definitely not a Bitcoin discussion topic. I have a feeling that the media is going to come out and say that the whole business was based around Bitcoin and just keep making Bitcoins reputation worse.
Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: chennan on December 05, 2015, 08:55:21 PM I have been paranoid enough about SR i would never even put those keywords in Google. Takes a pretty huge idiot to think he has a way to be anon and untraceable on the internet. Just boils down to a users resources and skills. Even a dumb user who can barely surf the web could prob use all the NSA abilities to do a lot. I generally group things as follows.. types of internet trackers. - Morons. - Intermediate users. - Advanced users. - Elite or Overly Motivated (guys who don't mind spending money for credit reports etc) - General Law enforcement. - Govt Agents with Custom Services or Tools + Expanded Special Resources. So when guys think they can hide from all of the above i just roll my eyes and tell them.. Buy Monero ! ..it's secure and untraceable If the SilkRoad guys used Monero instead they might have gotten away with it. HONEST i am a huge Monero supporter ! I argued with them about their "Anon" coin.. it gets old ::) just let the idiots believe what they want.. lol, Spoetnik... your trolling antics never ceases to amaze me. It's really entertaining to keep reading your butt hurt over another altcoin that goes against your precious pre-mined Dash. Anyways, as for the story, doesn't this go against US jurisdiction? How is it really possible for them to arrest someone that is out of the country? Is it because the US and the Thai's are allies? Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: bubble83 on December 05, 2015, 09:10:51 PM OMG. This is definitely not a Bitcoin discussion topic. I have a feeling that the media is going to come out and say that the whole business was based around Bitcoin and just keep making Bitcoins reputation worse. The first stories about it are hitting the mainstream news. Reuters has written a story about it, and the only mention of bitcoin is that it's a virtual currency that Silk Road users bought drugs with. It doesn't do anything good for bitcoin's reputation when stories like this associate it with buying drugs. http://www.reuters.com/article/usa-crime-silkroad-idUSL1N13U00K20151205#ScRHYEDX3z5wCLuY.97 Quote Prosecutors said Clark, 54, was described by Ulbricht as a trusted "mentor" who regularly advised him on the management of Silk Road, a website that allowed users to anonymously buy drugs using the virtual currency bitcoin. He faces up to life in prison based on charges of narcotics conspiracy and money laundering conspiracy contained in a criminal complaint filed in federal court in Manhattan. A lawyer for Clark could not be identified. Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: Spoetnik on December 05, 2015, 10:08:36 PM I have been paranoid enough about SR i would never even put those keywords in Google. Takes a pretty huge idiot to think he has a way to be anon and untraceable on the internet. Just boils down to a users resources and skills. Even a dumb user who can barely surf the web could prob use all the NSA abilities to do a lot. I generally group things as follows.. types of internet trackers. - Morons. - Intermediate users. - Advanced users. - Elite or Overly Motivated (guys who don't mind spending money for credit reports etc) - General Law enforcement. - Govt Agents with Custom Services or Tools + Expanded Special Resources. So when guys think they can hide from all of the above i just roll my eyes and tell them.. Buy Monero ! ..it's secure and untraceable If the SilkRoad guys used Monero instead they might have gotten away with it. HONEST i am a huge Monero supporter ! I argued with them about their "Anon" coin.. it gets old ::) just let the idiots believe what they want.. lol, Spoetnik... your trolling antics never ceases to amaze me. It's really entertaining to keep reading your butt hurt over another altcoin that goes against your precious pre-mined Dash. Anyways, as for the story, doesn't this go against US jurisdiction? How is it really possible for them to arrest someone that is out of the country? Is it because the US and the Thai's are allies? I have said a lot i couldn't care less about Dash.. never had 1 Dash coin ever.. nor will i. Monero is the one who has aggressive gorilla marketing for their anon feature.. a feature many claim. and your being a hypocrite attacking Dash on this topic. i have said i have issues with all coins who proclaim to be untraceable.. such as Monero who had Hoodies made up with that printed on the front LOL My comment earlier was about altcoins that claim to be anonymous and untraceable. WHY would they claim those features ? You really think those features are not being advertised to the past Silk Road crowd ? Bold grand claims.. that will land you in jail one day ! I say screw Monero and -ALL- coins who claim to be secure, anonymous and untraceable.. just like it says on Monero Merch LOL And hell yeah that is on-topic too ..think about it. Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: frank0929 on December 05, 2015, 10:19:30 PM I don't understand. How come FBI arrest a person outside of the USA borders? They don't have the authority. They don't have right to arrest anyone.
Or is it because Thailand is in the back garden of the USA? If that's the thing that makes sense. Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: cellard on December 06, 2015, 02:00:49 AM I have been paranoid enough about SR i would never even put those keywords in Google. Takes a pretty huge idiot to think he has a way to be anon and untraceable on the internet. Just boils down to a users resources and skills. Even a dumb user who can barely surf the web could prob use all the NSA abilities to do a lot. I generally group things as follows.. types of internet trackers. - Morons. - Intermediate users. - Advanced users. - Elite or Overly Motivated (guys who don't mind spending money for credit reports etc) - General Law enforcement. - Govt Agents with Custom Services or Tools + Expanded Special Resources. So when guys think they can hide from all of the above i just roll my eyes and tell them.. Buy Monero ! ..it's secure and untraceable If the SilkRoad guys used Monero instead they might have gotten away with it. HONEST i am a huge Monero supporter ! I argued with them about their "Anon" coin.. it gets old ::) just let the idiots believe what they want.. lol, Spoetnik... your trolling antics never ceases to amaze me. It's really entertaining to keep reading your butt hurt over another altcoin that goes against your precious pre-mined Dash. Anyways, as for the story, doesn't this go against US jurisdiction? How is it really possible for them to arrest someone that is out of the country? Is it because the US and the Thai's are allies? I have said a lot i couldn't care less about Dash.. never had 1 Dash coin ever.. nor will i. Monero is the one who has aggressive gorilla marketing for their anon feature.. a feature many claim. and your being a hypocrite attacking Dash on this topic. i have said i have issues with all coins who proclaim to be untraceable.. such as Monero who had Hoodies made up with that printed on the front LOL My comment earlier was about altcoins that claim to be anonymous and untraceable. WHY would they claim those features ? You really think those features are not being advertised to the past Silk Road crowd ? Bold grand claims.. that will land you in jail one day ! I say screw Monero and -ALL- coins who claim to be secure, anonymous and untraceable.. just like it says on Monero Merch LOL And hell yeah that is on-topic too ..think about it. To be honest I don't think you can say Monero isn't more anonymous than Bitcoin as it is now. Im pro-Bitcoin and don't own any Monero but Bitcoin is right now not anonymous enough. It's getting better and at some point I think it will be as anonymous as other alternatives such as Monero, but nor right now. I cant wait for confidential translations. Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: Soros Shorts on December 06, 2015, 02:45:22 AM I don't understand. How come FBI arrest a person outside of the USA borders? They don't have the authority. They don't have right to arrest anyone. Or is it because Thailand is in the back garden of the USA? If that's the thing that makes sense. Of course they technically cannot. They asked the Thai police to arrest him and then they'd need to extradite him back. Depending on the country, the alleged crime and any extradition treaties in place, this is not always possible. For lesser crimes it may be possible for the person to live in the open in many countries and the FBI can't even touch them. Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: bryant.coleman on December 06, 2015, 03:07:56 AM I don't understand. How come FBI arrest a person outside of the USA borders? They don't have the authority. They don't have right to arrest anyone. Or is it because Thailand is in the back garden of the USA? If that's the thing that makes sense. They don't have the right to arrest anyone. But they frequently arrest suspects (including foreign nationals) from locations which are completely outside their jurisdiction. Recently, a Russian national (Roman Valerevich Seleznev, also known as Track2) was arrested in the Maldives by the American authorities, and brought to Guam. Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: QuestionAuthority on December 06, 2015, 05:40:55 AM I don't understand. How come FBI arrest a person outside of the USA borders? They don't have the authority. They don't have right to arrest anyone. Or is it because Thailand is in the back garden of the USA? If that's the thing that makes sense. They probably did just arrest him in Thailand. I doubt they even needed the local police to do it. During the Vietnam war us troops took their leave in Thailand and the US helped keep Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge from attacking Thailand. Air America (the CIA) helped overthrow prince Sihanouk because he was allowing the Viet Cong and north Vietnamese army regulars to travel freely in Cambodia. We B-52 bombed the shit out of Cambodia several times and kept the war and the Viet Cong sanctuaries on the eastern border away from Thailand. Ever since then Thailand has been a close ally of the US. More American citizens probably live in Thailand than live in the state of Rhode Island. Running from American law enforcement by going to Thailand is comparable to running from DC cops by hiding in Virginia. Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: Bitcoinpro on December 06, 2015, 06:47:46 AM If u believe in Va riety Jones u also believe in the tooth fairy
and everything Frankie says as gospel :D Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: mattjack on December 06, 2015, 06:58:03 AM If u believe in Va riety Jones u also believe in the tooth fairy and everything Frankie says as gospel :D The toothfairy is for real! Stop ruining my youth. Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: Spoetnik on December 06, 2015, 07:37:18 PM I have been paranoid enough about SR i would never even put those keywords in Google. Takes a pretty huge idiot to think he has a way to be anon and untraceable on the internet. Just boils down to a users resources and skills. Even a dumb user who can barely surf the web could prob use all the NSA abilities to do a lot. I generally group things as follows.. types of internet trackers. - Morons. - Intermediate users. - Advanced users. - Elite or Overly Motivated (guys who don't mind spending money for credit reports etc) - General Law enforcement. - Govt Agents with Custom Services or Tools + Expanded Special Resources. So when guys think they can hide from all of the above i just roll my eyes and tell them.. Buy Monero ! ..it's secure and untraceable If the SilkRoad guys used Monero instead they might have gotten away with it. HONEST i am a huge Monero supporter ! I argued with them about their "Anon" coin.. it gets old ::) just let the idiots believe what they want.. lol, Spoetnik... your trolling antics never ceases to amaze me. It's really entertaining to keep reading your butt hurt over another altcoin that goes against your precious pre-mined Dash. Anyways, as for the story, doesn't this go against US jurisdiction? How is it really possible for them to arrest someone that is out of the country? Is it because the US and the Thai's are allies? I have said a lot i couldn't care less about Dash.. never had 1 Dash coin ever.. nor will i. Monero is the one who has aggressive gorilla marketing for their anon feature.. a feature many claim. and your being a hypocrite attacking Dash on this topic. i have said i have issues with all coins who proclaim to be untraceable.. such as Monero who had Hoodies made up with that printed on the front LOL My comment earlier was about altcoins that claim to be anonymous and untraceable. WHY would they claim those features ? You really think those features are not being advertised to the past Silk Road crowd ? Bold grand claims.. that will land you in jail one day ! I say screw Monero and -ALL- coins who claim to be secure, anonymous and untraceable.. just like it says on Monero Merch LOL And hell yeah that is on-topic too ..think about it. To be honest I don't think you can say Monero isn't more anonymous than Bitcoin as it is now. Im pro-Bitcoin and don't own any Monero but Bitcoin is right now not anonymous enough. It's getting better and at some point I think it will be as anonymous as other alternatives such as Monero, but nor right now. I cant wait for confidential translations. to be honest..... That does not sound like the definition of "untraceable" to me. http://i64.tinypic.com/kbyhlf.jpg Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: Spoetnik on December 06, 2015, 07:39:16 PM I don't understand. How come FBI arrest a person outside of the USA borders? They don't have the authority. They don't have right to arrest anyone. Or is it because Thailand is in the back garden of the USA? If that's the thing that makes sense. They don't have the right to arrest anyone. But they frequently arrest suspects (including foreign nationals) from locations which are completely outside their jurisdiction. Recently, a Russian national (Roman Valerevich Seleznev, also known as Track2) was arrested in the Maldives by the American authorities, and brought to Guam. FBI had their kim dotcom raid in New Zealand supervised by local cops. Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: Spoetnik on December 06, 2015, 07:41:00 PM If u believe in Va riety Jones u also believe in the tooth fairy and everything Frankie says as gospel :D Who got arrested then you think ? Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: Bitcoinpro on December 06, 2015, 11:03:21 PM If u believe in Variety Jones u also believe in the tooth fairy and everything Frankie says as gospel :D Who got arrested then you think ? the tooth fairy :D Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: Spoetnik on December 07, 2015, 11:22:00 AM I have been paranoid enough about SR i would never even put those keywords in Google. Takes a pretty huge idiot to think he has a way to be anon and untraceable on the internet. Just boils down to a users resources and skills. Even a dumb user who can barely surf the web could prob use all the NSA abilities to do a lot. I generally group things as follows.. types of internet trackers. - Morons. - Intermediate users. - Advanced users. - Elite or Overly Motivated (guys who don't mind spending money for credit reports etc) - General Law enforcement. - Govt Agents with Custom Services or Tools + Expanded Special Resources. So when guys think they can hide from all of the above i just roll my eyes and tell them.. Buy Monero ! ..it's secure and untraceable If the SilkRoad guys used Monero instead they might have gotten away with it. HONEST i am a huge Monero supporter ! I argued with them about their "Anon" coin.. it gets old ::) just let the idiots believe what they want.. lol, Spoetnik... your trolling antics never ceases to amaze me. It's really entertaining to keep reading your butt hurt over another altcoin that goes against your precious pre-mined Dash. Anyways, as for the story, doesn't this go against US jurisdiction? How is it really possible for them to arrest someone that is out of the country? Is it because the US and the Thai's are allies? I have said a lot i couldn't care less about Dash.. never had 1 Dash coin ever.. nor will i. Monero is the one who has aggressive gorilla marketing for their anon feature.. a feature many claim. and your being a hypocrite attacking Dash on this topic. i have said i have issues with all coins who proclaim to be untraceable.. such as Monero who had Hoodies made up with that printed on the front LOL My comment earlier was about altcoins that claim to be anonymous and untraceable. WHY would they claim those features ? You really think those features are not being advertised to the past Silk Road crowd ? Bold grand claims.. that will land you in jail one day ! I say screw Monero and -ALL- coins who claim to be secure, anonymous and untraceable.. just like it says on Monero Merch LOL And hell yeah that is on-topic too ..think about it. To be honest I don't think you can say Monero isn't more anonymous than Bitcoin as it is now. Im pro-Bitcoin and don't own any Monero but Bitcoin is right now not anonymous enough. It's getting better and at some point I think it will be as anonymous as other alternatives such as Monero, but nor right now. I cant wait for confidential translations. to be honest..... That does not sound like the definition of "untraceable" to me. http://i64.tinypic.com/kbyhlf.jpg See i post that jab about untraceable coins and the topic is dead.. no one wants to bite LOL I am not surprised ::) A huge industry has sprung up over anon coins and you all play dumb about it. And what that means is there is going to be many more SR style News reports. Criminals hiding behind Monero or what ever.. Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: enhu on December 07, 2015, 12:16:24 PM Legendary Russian arm dealer Viktor Bout was also arrested in Thailand. I guess this isn't a safe country to settle down if you're wanted by the FBI. He should have moved to Russia like Snowden, but I suppose he didn't like the weather up North. Some stays in Cambodia now. If one can last eating tarantula for the rest of his stay, Cambodia is the place. a wanted man from FBI sure can stay unnoticed and be like a monk lol Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: spacehopper on December 07, 2015, 09:16:22 PM The feds have unsealed the charges against Variety Jones. He's being charged with narcotics conspiracy and money laundering, and could get between 10 years to life for the narcotics conspiracy. The maximum he could get for the money laundering is 20 years, but I don't know if the two sentences would run concurrently if he is found guilty on both charges.
Quote A citizen of Canada, Clark, 54, is charged with one count of narcotics conspiracy and one count of money laundering conspiracy. The narcotics conspiracy carries a maximum sentence of life in prison and a mandatory minimum sentence of 10 years. The money laundering conspiracy carries a maximum sentence 20 years in prison. https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/manhattan-u-s-attorney-unseals-charges-variety-jones-silk-road-marketplace/ Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: Blawpaw on December 07, 2015, 09:36:08 PM How come the FBI can arrest someone in another country? I know this can be done if both countries have an agreement for that. probably there is one...
Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: wadii33 on December 07, 2015, 09:41:57 PM how is the F*** the FBI can work in outside the US that will be the CIA job so i think is these news is full of shit
Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: spacehopper on December 07, 2015, 09:54:06 PM How come the FBI can arrest someone in another country? I know this can be done if both countries have an agreement for that. probably there is one... The USA signed an extradition treaty with Thailand on Dec. 30, 1922. It came into force on Mar. 24, 1924. I think the FBI asked the local Thai police to arrest Variety Jones and now they are arranging to get him extradited to the USA. There is a list of countries the USA has signed extradition treaties with at the linked PDF. Quote Country Date signed Entered into force Citation Thailand Dec. 30, 1922 Mar. 24, 1924 43 Stat. 1749. http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/71600.pdf Title: Re: The FBI has arrested elusive Silk Road architect "Variety Jones" in Thailand Post by: saddambitcoin on December 07, 2015, 10:15:03 PM Looks like Variety Jones / PoM was able to get ahold of a cell phone in jail.
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