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Title: HYIP SCAMS - We need to do something Post by: samsads on December 08, 2015, 10:30:32 AM Hello Friends,
HYIP Scams have a long history in the internet. And with bitcoin HYIPS, almost 99.99% turn out to be scammers. And the most disturbing part popular websites like BitcoinTalk are being used as "baits" by these scammers... :( so sad. Don't you think we need to do something about this??? I personally have been scammed many times. Almost every little satoshi I earned from faucets have been eaten up by scammy Hyips. I have started this thread so that at-least here at BitcoinTalk web can take some steps so that new users wont get their bitcoins lost. Suggest your ideas that can be implemented so this problem can be curbed. One suggestion I would like to give is that "newbie" users should not be allowed to directly post any new Hyip program. Instead they would be required support from any senior member and that senior member will post the information about the HYIP. Another suggestion can be some fixed "security deposit" system here before allowing the hyip be posted here. Go on friends, post your views and suggestion so that admins and senior users here will take note and maybe could do something about this problem. Good day. :) Title: Re: HYIP SCAMS - We need to do something Post by: Rubberduckie on December 08, 2015, 10:45:03 AM Hyip are usually easy to spot and you can use the old
"to good to be true" meter and run in the other direction. Title: Re: HYIP SCAMS - We need to do something Post by: Joel_Jantsen on December 08, 2015, 10:46:42 AM Don't think this is the right place to start this thread.Not sure though! Because the official space for scams/accusations is here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0
Or the Service discussions here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=85.0 Title: Re: HYIP SCAMS - We need to do something Post by: krunox123 on December 08, 2015, 10:56:21 AM To be honest, there is nothing we can do to stop the HYIP from coming to BitcoinTalk. Because admin just don't have the time to monitor scams.
The best we can do is to give negative rep to these HYIP owner. Title: Re: HYIP SCAMS - We need to do something Post by: eternalgloom on December 08, 2015, 11:02:04 AM You can't do anything to stop them, if you take one down, ten others will pop up.
Just be smart yourself and don't support them. Title: Re: HYIP SCAMS - We need to do something Post by: hilariousandco on December 08, 2015, 11:02:42 AM Suggest your ideas that can be implemented so this problem can be curbed. One suggestion I would like to give is that "newbie" users should not be allowed to directly post any new Hyip program. Instead they would be required support from any senior member and that senior member will post the information about the HYIP. Another suggestion can be some fixed "security deposit" system here before allowing the hyip be posted here. Or people could just stop giving them money? I don't care whether they're allowed here or not but they're not going to provide you with a deposit because they're gambling. It's like asking dice sites to give you their money back once you've lost it with them. Don't take the gamble in the first place. Title: Re: HYIP SCAMS - We need to do something Post by: samsads on December 08, 2015, 11:31:16 AM To be honest, there is nothing we can do to stop the HYIP from coming to BitcoinTalk. Because admin just don't have the time to monitor scams. The best we can do is to give negative rep to these HYIP owner. what bout newbie accounts??? unless you are cheated by them , how would you give negative rep??? I think directly posting new hip should not be allowed without support from any senior member. It will at least bring some trustworthiness... maybe :-\ Title: Re: HYIP SCAMS - We need to do something Post by: mexxer-2 on December 08, 2015, 12:05:32 PM what bout newbie accounts??? unless you are cheated by them , how would you give negative rep??? That will just increase the amount of accounts being sold, duh!I think directly posting new hip should not be allowed without support from any senior member. It will at least bring some trustworthiness... maybe :-\ Title: Re: HYIP SCAMS - We need to do something Post by: NLNico on December 08, 2015, 12:25:55 PM Pretty much all sites in "Investor-based games" are scams, that's why I ignore (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;sa=ignoreBoards) that whole forum.
If those HYIPs post outside that forum (and/or have signature campaigns), then you should definitely create a topic in the "Scam accusation" forum, so we can give the site owner negative trust if needed. Title: Re: HYIP SCAMS - We need to do something Post by: mexxer-2 on December 08, 2015, 12:32:11 PM Pretty much all sites in "Investor-based games" are scams, that's why I ignore (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;sa=ignoreBoards) that whole forum. Does this signature campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=917174.0) count as promoting a ponzi? No one has taken an effort to prove that it is indeed a ponzi, nor do I think anyone will.If those HYIPs post outside that forum (and/or have signature campaigns), then you should definitely create a topic in the "Scam accusation" forum, so we can give the site owner negative trust if needed. Oh and there was this one (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1173398.0) , but no "action" was taken as well. The only sig campaign started by a ponzi and was appropriately marked was: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1275755.0;topicseen Title: Re: HYIP SCAMS - We need to do something Post by: NLNico on December 08, 2015, 12:47:32 PM Yeh, some of the "slightly less obvious" cloudmining ones are a bit more time consuming.
Many of us did gave negative trust to CloudThink (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1074272.0) when they were running their signature campaign. But personally I only did that after having enough good arguments to say why it's fake/ponzi/etc. Even though it was obvious from the start (for me personally), I still felt I needed proper arguments to justify negative trust (which was only few days after they started though.) Overall, researching/collecting arguments/discussing with the site owner - takes time and unfortunately I personally don't have the time to do that for that 2 cloudmining sites :( Also not "all" cloudmining sites are scams, which is exactly the problem - needs proper arguments to justify negative trust. Giving money to cloudmining sites is always a bad idea though. Title: Re: HYIP SCAMS - We need to do something Post by: getabel on December 08, 2015, 12:50:31 PM You can't do anything effective.
You may use your signature to warn people. Title: Re: HYIP SCAMS - We need to do something Post by: KWH on December 08, 2015, 12:50:37 PM Hello Friends, HYIP Scams have a long history in the internet. And with bitcoin HYIPS, almost 99.99% turn out to be scammers. <snip> I personally have been scammed many times. Almost every little satoshi I earned from faucets have been eaten up by scammy Hyips. <more snippage> Good day. :) So, what exactly is your problem? Are you a slow learner or just let greed get the best of you? The vast majority of these scams are quite easy to spot. Title: Re: HYIP SCAMS - We need to do something Post by: samsads on December 08, 2015, 03:18:02 PM Hello Friends, HYIP Scams have a long history in the internet. And with bitcoin HYIPS, almost 99.99% turn out to be scammers. <snip> I personally have been scammed many times. Almost every little satoshi I earned from faucets have been eaten up by scammy Hyips. <more snippage> Good day. :) So, what exactly is your problem? Are you a slow learner or just let greed get the best of you? The vast majority of these scams are quite easy to spot. i just want to see solution to these scammers Title: Re: HYIP SCAMS - We need to do something Post by: hilariousandco on December 08, 2015, 03:32:10 PM The solution is obviously don't give them your money.
Title: Re: HYIP SCAMS - We need to do something Post by: Backside walkaround on December 08, 2015, 03:35:18 PM I personally have been scammed many times. Too bad you didn't learn about ponzis and HYIPs before coming here, but you got an expensive education at the University of Bitcointalk. But for a lot of us, we know if it sounds too good to be true...it's not true. You got greedy and you got fleeced. Move on.Title: Re: HYIP SCAMS - We need to do something Post by: stingers on December 08, 2015, 03:36:46 PM Wouldn't it be good that rather than banning them from the forum, we better educate the users to not to be selfish and not to throw away their money in these scams. An increase in common sense would be a good tool against preventing HYIP scams.
Title: Re: HYIP SCAMS - We need to do something Post by: Zeroxal on December 08, 2015, 03:55:00 PM Thats exactly why people should give the owners of these sites red trust to alert the users. Honestly, if its still not obvious enough that money doesnt fall from the sky with no reason and people still invest loads of money into such a site and lose all their money - its mostly their fault.
New users however dont know this scam and tend to fall into it, so we somehow need to prevent that at the first place. Title: Re: HYIP SCAMS - We need to do something Post by: mexxer-2 on December 08, 2015, 03:57:33 PM Wouldn't it be good that rather than banning them from the forum, we better educate the users to not to be selfish and not to throw away their money in these scams. An increase in common sense would be a good tool against preventing HYIP scams. The "Caveat Emptor" thing is there for a reason. There'll always be a newbie who will fall into these.Thats exactly why people should give the owners of these sites red trust to alert the users. Honestly, if its still not obvious enough that money doesnt fall from the sky with no reason and people still invest loads of money into such a site and lose all their money - its mostly their fault. There are too many of them popping up. You really think a DT member would keep arguing and collecting evidence against so many of them?New users however dont know this scam and tend to fall into it, so we somehow need to prevent that at the first place. At any rate, most of the big ones are neg trusted. Title: Re: HYIP SCAMS - We need to do something Post by: Superhitech on December 10, 2015, 05:14:19 AM Wouldn't it be good that rather than banning them from the forum, we better educate the users to not to be selfish and not to throw away their money in these scams. An increase in common sense would be a good tool against preventing HYIP scams. The "Caveat Emptor" thing is there for a reason. There'll always be a newbie who will fall into these.Yeah, but I guess there's not much we can do. There are plenty of warnings in the investor based games section, and members are warning newbies on the threads. I think we should just leave it how it is. OP, if you keep losing your money because you invest in HYIPs, perhaps you shouldn't invest in HYIPs. There are other ways to make bitcoin, try looking around in the services section for jobs you might be able to perform. Good luck! Title: Re: HYIP SCAMS - We need to do something Post by: Decoded on December 10, 2015, 05:18:07 AM Hello Friends, HYIP Scams have a long history in the internet. And with bitcoin HYIPS, almost 99.99% turn out to be scammers. And the most disturbing part popular websites like BitcoinTalk are being used as "baits" by these scammers... :( so sad. Don't you think we need to do something about this??? I personally have been scammed many times. Almost every little satoshi I earned from faucets have been eaten up by scammy Hyips. I have started this thread so that at-least here at BitcoinTalk web can take some steps so that new users wont get their bitcoins lost. Suggest your ideas that can be implemented so this problem can be curbed. One suggestion I would like to give is that "newbie" users should not be allowed to directly post any new Hyip program. Instead they would be required support from any senior member and that senior member will post the information about the HYIP. Another suggestion can be some fixed "security deposit" system here before allowing the hyip be posted here. Go on friends, post your views and suggestion so that admins and senior users here will take note and maybe could do something about this problem. Good day. :) [/qubutt Here we examine the butthurt user. Always falling for obvious scams, then bitching about them. If it's a hyip, it will scan some time or another. Don't even bother investing. Most don't pay out, and some will just fall randomly. You say you've lost to multiple hyips, then you should have learned your lesson. Don't invest in surefire ponzis. Title: Re: HYIP SCAMS - We need to do something Post by: justspare on December 10, 2015, 05:18:27 AM If we removed the "investor based games" section then it'll be easier for a newbie to fall into one of those ponzi scams.
There are warnings as well when you are in the investor based games section which basically suggests to you that these are all ponzis, do not believe them etc., so I believe the admin is already doing what he can and there is nothing more he should do. Title: Re: HYIP SCAMS - We need to do something Post by: hikedoon on December 10, 2015, 06:01:26 AM Hello Friends, HYIP Scams have a long history in the internet. And with bitcoin HYIPS, almost 99.99% turn out to be scammers. <snip> I personally have been scammed many times. Almost every little satoshi I earned from faucets have been eaten up by scammy Hyips. <more snippage> Good day. :) So, what exactly is your problem? Are you a slow learner or just let greed get the best of you? The vast majority of these scams are quite easy to spot. He's not a slow learner. He's a HYIPocrite. Title: Re: HYIP SCAMS - We need to do something Post by: phibay on December 10, 2015, 06:17:37 AM bitcointalk and forum members/staffs never lacked of warning users about HYIPs and ponzis, i don't think we need something to do other than warning users. its up to you if you will let hyip and ponzis scam you. personally i've been scammed many times but i never whined (except on my newbie days :D )
Title: Re: HYIP SCAMS - We need to do something Post by: XinXan on December 10, 2015, 04:23:06 PM Hello Friends, HYIP Scams have a long history in the internet. And with bitcoin HYIPS, almost 99.99% turn out to be scammers. <snip> I personally have been scammed many times. Almost every little satoshi I earned from faucets have been eaten up by scammy Hyips. <more snippage> Good day. :) So, what exactly is your problem? Are you a slow learner or just let greed get the best of you? The vast majority of these scams are quite easy to spot. He's not a slow learner. He's a HYIPocrite. HAHA. It's extremely hard for someone to get scammed by HYIP's or ponzis, really. Only a few of them even try to hide the fact that they are ponzis, like 99% of them tell you already they are a scam yet people still give them money, then complain??? I don't know, humans.. |