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Title: U.S. Seeks to Avoid Ground War Welcomed by Islamic State
Post by: xht on December 08, 2015, 06:57:38 PM
As the debate on how best to contain the Islamic State continues to rage in Western capitals, the militants themselves have made one point patently clear: They want the United States and its allies to be dragged into a ground war.

In fact, when the United States first invaded Iraq, one of the most enthusiastic proponents of the move was the man who founded the terrorist cell that would one day become the Islamic State, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. He excitedly called the Americans’ 2003 intervention “the Blessed Invasion.”

His reaction — ignored by some, and dismissed as rhetoric by others — points to one of the core beliefs motivating the terrorist group now holding large stretches of Iraq and Syria: The group bases its ideology on prophetic texts stating that Islam will be victorious after an apocalyptic battle to be set off once Western armies come to the region.

Should that invasion happen, the Islamic State not only would be able to declare its prophecy fulfilled, but could also turn the occurrence into a new recruiting drive at the very moment the terrorist group appears to be losing volunteers.

It is partly that theory that President Obama referred to in his speech on Sunday, when he said the United States should pursue a “sustainable victory” that involves airstrikes and supports local forces battling the Islamic State rather than sending a new generation of American soldiers into a ground offensive.

“I have said it repeatedly: Because of these prophecies, going in on the ground would be the worst trap to fall into. They want troops on the ground. Because they have already envisioned it,” said Jean-Pierre Filiu, a professor of Middle East Studies at Sciences Po in Paris, and the author of “Apocalypse in Islam,” one of the main scholarly texts exploring the scripture that the militants base their ideology on.

“It’s a very powerful and emotional narrative. It gives the potential recruit and the actual fighters the feeling that not only are they part of the elite, they are also part of the final battle.”

The Islamic State’s propaganda is rife with references to apocalyptic prophecy about the last great battle that sets the stage for the end times. Terrorism experts say it has become a powerful recruiting tool for the group, also known as ISIS or ISIL, which sells potential fighters on the promise that joining will give them the most direct chance to battle Western interests and will bring ancient Islamic prophecies to fruition.

The specific scripture they are referring to describes a battle in Dabiq as well as in al-Amaq, small towns that still exist in northern Syria. The countdown to the apocalypse begins once the “Romans” — a term that militants have now conveniently expanded to include Americans and their allies — set foot in Dabiq.

Last year, when Islamic State militants beheaded the American hostage Peter Kassig, a former United States Army Ranger, they made sure to do it in Dabiq.

“Here we are, burying the first American crusader in Dabiq, eagerly waiting for the remainder of your armies to arrive,” the executioner announced.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/08/world/middleeast/us-strategy-seeks-to-avoid-isis-prophecy.html?ref=world&_r=0


Title: Re: U.S. Seeks to Avoid Ground War Welcomed by Islamic State
Post by: vero on December 08, 2015, 07:31:06 PM
Want to stop ISIS?
Stop treating the Saudis as our ally and stop buying their oil.
Enact trading sanctions.
See how quickly things change, and it doesn't require boots on the ground.



Title: Re: U.S. Seeks to Avoid Ground War Welcomed by Islamic State
Post by: BigBoy89 on December 08, 2015, 07:36:44 PM
Want to stop ISIS?
Stop treating the Saudis as our ally and stop buying their oil.
Enact trading sanctions.
See how quickly things change, and it doesn't require boots on the ground.



First of all they need to stop interfering in the affairs of another country when it comes Isis there is something fishy it started from Iraq where almost 40,000 Iraqi army dropped their weapon and ran away afraid of few thousand Isis elements ? Something is wrong because it looks like Isis is a well planned game by NWO.


Title: Re: U.S. Seeks to Avoid Ground War Welcomed by Islamic State
Post by: bitsmichel on December 08, 2015, 09:46:25 PM
Want to stop ISIS?
Stop treating the Saudis as our ally and stop buying their oil.
Enact trading sanctions.
See how quickly things change, and it doesn't require boots on the ground.



Saudi is one of the big spenders on terror ISIS, but there are others like Turkey too.  ISIS is yet another spin off from one of those terror groups. Same thing with a different name.

I think when Saudis run out of oil, we will see less muslim terror.


Title: Re: U.S. Seeks to Avoid Ground War Welcomed by Islamic State
Post by: galdur on December 08, 2015, 10:29:19 PM
Want to stop ISIS?
Stop treating the Saudis as our ally and stop buying their oil.
Enact trading sanctions.
See how quickly things change, and it doesn't require boots on the ground.



Saudi is one of the big spenders on terror ISIS, but there are others like Turkey too.  ISIS is yet another spin off from one of those terror groups. Same thing with a different name.

I think when Saudis run out of oil, we will see less muslim terror.

Yes, especially since they´d run out of money to buy weapons. Guess who has increased sales to them and the warzone in general the most in recent years. That´s right, France. Then they act all dumb when their warmongering bites themselves in the butt.


Title: Re: U.S. Seeks to Avoid Ground War Welcomed by Islamic State
Post by: zenitzz on December 08, 2015, 10:39:24 PM
ISIS is just another paper tiger like Saddam Hussain's Army was. The Kurds have won both their major battles with them. They cannot stand and fight against the US forces. Their only resource is the same one again, hide in the civilian population and fight a guerilla war.



Title: Re: U.S. Seeks to Avoid Ground War Welcomed by Islamic State
Post by: Snail2 on December 09, 2015, 09:53:38 AM
ISIS is just another paper tiger like Saddam Hussain's Army was. The Kurds have won both their major battles with them. They cannot stand and fight against the US forces. Their only resource is the same one again, hide in the civilian population and fight a guerilla war.

They don't want to stand and fight the US forces. They want a "hit and run then hide between civilians" style war of attrition, spiced with occasional terror attacks in western countries, and in both cases the more collateral damage is the better for them. These guys are lunatics but not stupid, so they know that a large part of the western population distrusts their governments and don't want going to war for some sandy-rocky shitholes in the middle of the nowhere and for some ever changing geopolitical goals.
The anger over another unnecessary but bloody war, the mounting costs, tensions between the masses of immigrants and the native population, plus the fear and uncertainty caused by the terrorists can destabilize western societies, especially the already weakened and wobbly EU.


Title: Re: U.S. Seeks to Avoid Ground War Welcomed by Islamic State
Post by: ridery99 on December 09, 2015, 10:45:32 AM
Want to stop ISIS?
Stop treating the Saudis as our ally and stop buying their oil.
Enact trading sanctions.
See how quickly things change, and it doesn't require boots on the ground.



First of all they need to stop interfering in the affairs of another country when it comes Isis there is something fishy it started from Iraq where almost 40,000 Iraqi army dropped their weapon and ran away afraid of few thousand Isis elements ? Something is wrong because it looks like Isis is a well planned game by NWO.

when nwo ww3 will start?