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Title: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Dotto on December 09, 2015, 01:23:32 AM
What do you think?

http://www.wired.com/2015/12/bitcoins-creator-satoshi-nakamoto-is-probably-this-unknown-australian-genius/

To me seems legit...


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Quickseller on December 09, 2015, 01:25:23 AM
Most likely no, IMO. There are too many warning signs of some kind of a scam attempt (or an attempt to defraud some entity)


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: gentlemand on December 09, 2015, 01:28:03 AM
Hmm. Time will tell. There are some rather strange aspects to the whole tale such as the rampant egomania bubbling under and the talk of edited blogs et al. On the other side there's lots of compelling stuff too. I assume Satoshi had some sort of brain injury in the intervening years as this guy doesn't sound all that similar but it was a persona.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Hyperjacked on December 09, 2015, 01:31:07 AM
I think it's highly probable that Wright is Satoshi!



Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: koshgel on December 09, 2015, 01:32:43 AM
Don't think so but then again don't think there is conclusive evidence either way.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Bitcoinpro on December 09, 2015, 01:37:46 AM
Skynet created Cryptocurrency around early 2011 thats when the software program became self reinforcing   :)


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Liquid on December 09, 2015, 01:39:28 AM
It's Him!


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: -ck on December 09, 2015, 01:42:13 AM
Nope. This Wright guy is vain. Look at Satoshi's posts on this forum and there is no sign of that vanity.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: AmazonStuff on December 09, 2015, 01:43:40 AM
Nope. This Wright guy is vain. Look at Satoshi's posts on this forum and there is no sign of that vanity.
There is a word "bloody"...

Satoshi:
Quote
Sorry to be a wet blanket. Writing a description for (bitcoin) for general audiences is bloody hard. There’s nothing to relate it to.

Craig S Wright:
Quote
Bloody secrets.
Always a flaw with obscurity. It can gain time but always fails in the long term.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: harizen on December 09, 2015, 01:49:59 AM
This really gone viral even in our local Bitcoin group in Facebook. I just read the latest shared article here in this forum and seems convincing if you will only based on the story and will not seek much deeper about it.

Reading comments now.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Blawpaw on December 09, 2015, 02:00:30 AM
I'll only believe it when he proves he is the real creator of Bitcoin!


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: AgentofCoin on December 09, 2015, 02:04:17 AM
Satoshi Signed PGP, or GTFO.
He is either a hoaxer/scammer or a government op.


Nope. This Wright guy is vain. Look at Satoshi's posts on this forum and there is no sign of that vanity.
Definitely agree with this statement.



Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: jertsy on December 09, 2015, 02:11:54 AM
Satoshi Signed PGP, or GTFO.




Did Satoshi ever sign anything with his PGP key? I heard he never signed anything, and someone said it's useless unless he did. However, I don't understand PGP too well. Did Satoshi ever post his public PGP key anywhere?

I know he could sign a message from an early Bitcoin address if his PGP key is useless, but I'm curious whether it is or not.



Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: icezer0z on December 09, 2015, 02:13:13 AM
No, he just wants exactly what is happening...attention.

Then again, who know ;)


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: saturn643 on December 09, 2015, 02:17:57 AM
Satoshi Signed PGP, or GTFO.
He is either a hoaxer/scammer or a government op.
I concur.

And even if he was, I don't think he will reveal himself. People can speculate, but we won't know without any proof.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Bit_Happy on December 09, 2015, 02:18:50 AM
The Wired article was interesting and sometimes almost convincing.
If he is a fake, then the real Satoshi is glad to have some fool grab a bunch of attention.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: keepdoing on December 09, 2015, 02:18:56 AM
There has been much speculation over the years that Satoshi must have had incredible processing power.  Perhaps the biggest take away from the 1 hour 15 minute video conference < see video at: http://www.wired.com/2015/12/bitcoins-creator-satoshi-nakamoto-is-probably-this-unknown-australian-genius/ > is Craig Wright's claim to operate the world's 15th largest Supercomputer, just a hair less powerful than that of the NSA.  He identified it.....

TULIP TRADING < http://www.top500.org/site/50547 >
Country   Australia
SYSTEM:: C01N - SGI ICE X/SuperBlade SBI-7127RG-E, Intel Xeon E5-2695v2 12C 2.4GHz, Infiniband FDR, NDIVA M2090/Intel Xeon Phi 7120P   
CORES:: 265,440   / RMAX (GFLOP/S):: 3,521,000   RPEAK (GFLOP/S):: 4,470,408

This will not be difficult to verify.  Everyone will be all over it tomorrow.  Truth will come out.  

I watched the entire video.  It was quite informative, and I suggest everyone watch the entire video.  If this IS Satoshi, then based on his revelations here..... things are getting ready to get very interesting in bitcoin land.  And my guess is that a lot of the plans being laid by bankers to run private blockchains just got very shaky.   Watch video.  It is worth the hour and fifteen minutes.

http://www.wired.com/2015/12/bitcoins-creator-satoshi-nakamoto-is-probably-this-unknown-australian-genius/



Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Dotto on December 09, 2015, 02:19:22 AM
He can prove or disprove it moving some of the 1.1M BTC and texting "Im wright" or "Im not wright"

But... why he would dox himself? Seem like a easy target for ramson and too much attention... Maybe to take control of his creation? (Allowing/disalowing BIP 101, for example?)

Questions, questions... maybe time will tell, maybe.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: gentlemand on December 09, 2015, 02:21:06 AM
The Wired article was interesting and sometimes almost convincing.
If he is a fake, then the real Satoshi is glad to have some fool grab a bunch of attention.

Well there is Dave Kleiman, the guy who died, it's possible he was the driving force even though plenty about his final circumstances doesn't add up either.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: peonminer on December 09, 2015, 02:22:12 AM
Bait and switch. Decoy. He knows of him, though. It's like the Joker. He masks his minions and sends them out as the bait.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: AgentofCoin on December 09, 2015, 02:27:14 AM
Satoshi Signed PGP, or GTFO.
Did Satoshi ever sign anything with his PGP key? I heard he never signed anything, and someone said it's useless unless he did. However, I don't understand PGP too well. Did Satoshi ever post his public PGP key anywhere?

I know he could sign a message from an early Bitcoin address if his PGP key is useless, but I'm curious whether it is or not.

Yes, he would need to sign a message from a few (more than one, the better, to prove the signer isn't just an early miner)
of his early mining bitcoin addresses. That would be very possible.

In relation to his PGP Key, many have said he had no such key, but there is this record according to bitcoin.org github:
https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org/commit/19e0c74df2162d4510db5df9e50d5ac53b38c498 (https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org/commit/19e0c74df2162d4510db5df9e50d5ac53b38c498)


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Cortive on December 09, 2015, 02:28:47 AM
Bait and switch. Decoy. He knows of him, though. It's like the Joker. He masks his minions and sends them out as the bait.

This is a good theory. It would be dumb to expose yourself as the creator of bitcoin, you'd get a shit load of attention and threats.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: keepdoing on December 09, 2015, 02:30:10 AM
(C01n Ltd) - Director Profile
Dr. Craig Steven Wright
Organisation   C01n Ltd
Service Address   Suite 502 / Level 5
32 Delhi Rd North Ryde, Nsw Australia
Organisation Type   Private Limited Company
Industries   Computer Programming Activities
Dormant Company
Net Assets   £38,508,838
Headquarters Location   London, United Kingdom

Currently operates the only private Supercomputer in the Top 100 Global Supercomputers.
Supercomputer Listing: http://www.top500.org/site/50547


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: InvoKing on December 09, 2015, 02:30:52 AM
Voted probably nope, I let a 1% probability that this guy is saying the truth.
Honestly i am not convinced with what wired revealed especially after reading what members said in the other topic..but who knows :(


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: megashira1 on December 09, 2015, 02:31:56 AM
Gizmodo just uploaded video on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzIIyQDQjuA


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: BTCBinary on December 09, 2015, 02:32:01 AM
this doesn't smell right. If it really was him why didn't he came out a few weeks ago when he could have been nominated for the Nobel Prize? I don't believe it can be him. There's all kind of signs that the information could have been tampered.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: keepdoing on December 09, 2015, 02:32:14 AM
(C01n Ltd) - Director Profile
Dr. Craig Steven Wright
Organisation   C01n Ltd
Service Address   Suite 502 / Level 5
32 Delhi Rd North Ryde, Nsw Australia
Organisation Type   Private Limited Company
Industries   Computer Programming Activities
Dormant Company
Net Assets   £38,508,838
Headquarters Location   London, United Kingdom

Currently operates the only private Supercomputer in the Top 100 Global Supercomputers.
Supercomputer Listing: http://www.top500.org/site/50547

PS... he claimed in the video that he has relocated to Iceland in order to take advantage of their environment, which is most suitable for operating a supercomputer.   He said he was about to launch an even larger one there.

All of this should be easily verifiable.  I think we will soon know.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: saturn643 on December 09, 2015, 02:34:05 AM
Satoshi Signed PGP, or GTFO.
Did Satoshi ever sign anything with his PGP key? I heard he never signed anything, and someone said it's useless unless he did. However, I don't understand PGP too well. Did Satoshi ever post his public PGP key anywhere?

I know he could sign a message from an early Bitcoin address if his PGP key is useless, but I'm curious whether it is or not.

Yes, he would need to sign a message from a few (more than one, the better, to prove the signer isn't just an early miner)
of his early mining bitcoin addresses. That would be very possible.

In relation to his PGP Key, many have said he had no such key, but there is this record according to bitcoin.org github:
https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org/commit/19e0c74df2162d4510db5df9e50d5ac53b38c498 (https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org/commit/19e0c74df2162d4510db5df9e50d5ac53b38c498)

Satoshi never signed anything with his PGP key, but it was published. You can also get it from https://bitcointalk.org/Satoshi_Nakamoto.asc.

An alternative would be to have him sign a message with an address in the coinbase transactions in any of the first couple of blocks.

Edit:
That link seems to be broken, do you know where it is elsewhere?
I want to see if the two keys match or are two different keys for Satoshi.
S and N are capital, fixed above.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: vodaljepa on December 09, 2015, 02:41:08 AM
http://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/wrightbitcoinpost-inline3.jpg


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: AgentofCoin on December 09, 2015, 02:45:18 AM
Satoshi Signed PGP, or GTFO.
Did Satoshi ever sign anything with his PGP key? I heard he never signed anything, and someone said it's useless unless he did. However, I don't understand PGP too well. Did Satoshi ever post his public PGP key anywhere?

I know he could sign a message from an early Bitcoin address if his PGP key is useless, but I'm curious whether it is or not.

Yes, he would need to sign a message from a few (more than one, the better, to prove the signer isn't just an early miner)
of his early mining bitcoin addresses. That would be very possible.

In relation to his PGP Key, many have said he had no such key, but there is this record according to bitcoin.org github:
https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org/commit/19e0c74df2162d4510db5df9e50d5ac53b38c498 (https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org/commit/19e0c74df2162d4510db5df9e50d5ac53b38c498)

Satoshi never signed anything with his PGP key, but it was published. You can also get it from https://bitcointalk.org/satoshi_nakamoto.asc.
...
That link seems to be broken, do you know where it is elsewhere?
I want to see if the two keys match or are two different keys for Satoshi.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Rubberduckie on December 09, 2015, 02:52:53 AM
No, no doubt.  Just go over Satoshi's stuff. This guy is like a doushy
used car salesman. Not a chance satoshi would be as arrogant as this
guy (at least I hope)


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: lolgato on December 09, 2015, 02:58:07 AM
Most likely no Satoshi wanted to be unknown and he could be anywhere and why show up now he is still probably somewhere happy and anonymous and safe or dead so this man is most likely not satoshi.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Cortive on December 09, 2015, 02:58:16 AM


If this was posted 2009 why is it now getting viral after there was literally a man hunt for Satoshi?


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: vodaljepa on December 09, 2015, 03:00:30 AM


If this was posted 2009 why is it now getting viral after there was literally a man hunt for Satoshi?

Might have not been found until recently


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: gentlemand on December 09, 2015, 03:04:44 AM

Might have not been found until recently


Thousands of obsessives and journalists couldn't find that post? It's not as if it's on a .onion site either. Considering the collective detective skills that regularly show up on here that's hard to believe.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: jertsy on December 09, 2015, 03:06:04 AM
The Wired article was interesting and sometimes almost convincing.
If he is a fake, then the real Satoshi is glad to have some fool grab a bunch of attention.

Well there is Dave Kleiman, the guy who died, it's possible he was the driving force even though plenty about his final circumstances doesn't add up either.

I found another story about this by gizmodo. It says Kleiman and Wright might have invented Bitcoin together. Then it goes on to say Kleiman might have had a fortune in Bitcoins, but it also says he died broke and in squalor. Anyone with a fortune in Bitcoins would have sold some to ensure they didn't have to live like that.

http://gizmodo.com/this-australian-says-he-and-his-dead-friend-invented-bi-1746958692

Quote
According to Paige, Wright eventually told him that Kleiman was the creator of Bitcoin. Later, he clarified that the cryptocurrency was invented by a group of people which included Kleiman. If that was true, Kleiman was likely sitting on a fortune when he died in April 2013—even if he were in possession of only half of Satoshi’s fabled million-bitcoin stockpile, that would have been worth about $65,000,000 at the time of his death.

Quote
Several of the emails and documents sent to Gizmodo point to a close relationship between Wright and Kleiman, a U.S. Army veteran who lived in Palm Beach County, Florida. Kleiman was confined to a wheelchair after a motorcycle accident in 1995, and became a reclusive computer forensics obsessive thereafter. He died broke and in squalor, after suffering from infected bedsores. His body was found decomposing and surrounded by empty alcohol bottles and a loaded handgun. Bloody feces was tracked along the floor, and a bullet hole was found in his mattress, though no spent shell casings were found on the scene. But documents shared with Gizmodo suggest that Kleiman may have possessed a Bitcoin trust worth hundreds of millions of dollars, and seemed to be deeply involved with the currency and Wright’s plans. “Craig, I think you’re mad and this is risky,” Kleiman writes in one 2011 email to Wright. “But I believe in what we are trying to do.”


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: RealBitcoin on December 09, 2015, 03:15:32 AM
Most likely no, IMO. There are too many warning signs of some kind of a scam attempt (or an attempt to defraud some entity)

Why did he delete his twitter then?

If he wanted to scam, he would have held his twitter to get the fame and glory and use that as a cover to scam.

No, I think he is the real deal.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: theymos_away on December 09, 2015, 03:25:13 AM
Why did he delete his twitter then?

So that gullible people like you would take it as evidence for him being Satoshi. The tweets are all archived, so he's not actually hiding anything.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: iCEBREAKER on December 09, 2015, 03:34:22 AM
The Wired article was interesting and sometimes almost convincing.
If he is a fake, then the real Satoshi is glad to have some fool grab a bunch of attention.

Well there is Dave Kleiman, the guy who died, it's possible he was the driving force even though plenty about his final circumstances doesn't add up either.

An obsessive, reclusive genius with his own supercomputer(s)?  The mysterious death of his closest(?) associate?

The next season of All My Bitcoins is going to be even more exciting than the thrilling Great Blocksize War story arc.

Every time I think 'this can't possibly get any more dramatic, engrossing, and entertaining' the writers pull a rabbit out of their hat.

Also: "Tessier-Ashpool@AnonymousSpeech.com."

ROFLMAO   :D


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: TheMage on December 09, 2015, 04:21:58 AM
Satoshi Signed PGP, or GTFO.
Did Satoshi ever sign anything with his PGP key? I heard he never signed anything, and someone said it's useless unless he did. However, I don't understand PGP too well. Did Satoshi ever post his public PGP key anywhere?

I know he could sign a message from an early Bitcoin address if his PGP key is useless, but I'm curious whether it is or not.

Yes, he would need to sign a message from a few (more than one, the better, to prove the signer isn't just an early miner)
of his early mining bitcoin addresses. That would be very possible.

In relation to his PGP Key, many have said he had no such key, but there is this record according to bitcoin.org github:
https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org/commit/19e0c74df2162d4510db5df9e50d5ac53b38c498 (https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org/commit/19e0c74df2162d4510db5df9e50d5ac53b38c498)

Satoshi never signed anything with his PGP key, but it was published. You can also get it from https://bitcointalk.org/Satoshi_Nakamoto.asc.

An alternative would be to have him sign a message with an address in the coinbase transactions in any of the first couple of blocks.

Edit:
That link seems to be broken, do you know where it is elsewhere?
I want to see if the two keys match or are two different keys for Satoshi.
S and N are capital, fixed above.

Incorrect, he signed a transaction to Hal Finney, which is as far as I know the only recorded time.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: hendra147 on December 09, 2015, 04:31:13 AM
Exclusive: Australian police raid Sydney home of reported bitcoin creator
https://au.news.yahoo.com/technology/a/30318385/exclusive-australian-police-raid-sydney-home-of-reported-bitcoin-creator/
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/dec/09/bitcoin-founder-craig-wrights-home-raided-by-australian-police?CMP=twt_gu

so who next want to claim he is satosi nakamoto  :D ?


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: peonminer on December 09, 2015, 04:39:24 AM
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view8/20150417/5198682/ha-got-em-o.gif

Classic bait and switch. 'Oshi is among us. Watching . . . waiting . . .


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: croato on December 09, 2015, 04:55:34 AM
I dont think he is. Satoshi would care lot better to stay anonymous and this dude is just trying to get as much attention as he can get.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: peonminer on December 09, 2015, 04:58:39 AM
He wanted to be 'Oshi so bad. Or someone wanted him to be. All he did was SWAT himself. Probably did it for the lulz.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: iCEBREAKER on December 09, 2015, 06:09:54 AM
I dont think he is. Satoshi would care lot better to stay anonymous and this dude is just trying to get as much attention as he can get.

Or he's jumping on a grenade to protect The Creator.

Szabo and Craig have both recently gone from invisible to high profile.  That's one way to try and stay alive when in the Eye of Sauron.

Pray For Satoshi.   :-\


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Kakmakr on December 09, 2015, 06:26:51 AM
Did they say how Kleiman died anywhere? There will be new interest in this story, IF it was due to unnatural causes. The 1 Million bitcoin paycheck in 2020 would be a big enough incentive for people to do crazy stuff.

Wired just opened up a can of worms with this find, and he most probably has a big stash of coins apart from the 1.1 million, if he has been mining with the super computer for a while. Imagine that, Satoshi not going the ASIC route and still mining with a super computer.

In a way, I want this to be him, because this uncertainty created a whole lot of fear and conspiracy theory, keeping some countries for example Estonia in two minds about the acceptance of Bitcoin. ^hmf^


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: FairlaySupport on December 09, 2015, 06:29:31 AM
https://www.fairlay.com/predict/registered/new/is-craig-steven-wright-satoshi-nakamoto/

Please help the world determine the truth!  Bet now.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: koshgel on December 09, 2015, 06:31:15 AM
It just doesn't make sense why he would reveal himself now.

He was unknown all this time and all of a sudden wants to make a presence? Seems like a guy that just wants attention.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: LiteCoinGuy on December 09, 2015, 06:32:51 AM
http://cdn.meme.am/instances/59056685.jpg


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: HabBear on December 09, 2015, 06:48:51 AM
The late edits to posts to "insert" relevance to bitcoin is kind of damning to explain a hoax but being able to use the same PGP signature seems like evidence that can't be hoaxed, right?

A few things to think about:
  • He references "great coders" behind the project, so it's not just him but a group of people involved in the creation (if he is involved)
  • Hearing about his breadcrumbs and insecurity and weakness in potentially leaking his identity is making me like him less and less

I think it's best that Satoshi Nakamoto's true identity be kept a mystery, that way "he" can embody all the values each of us wants in him.

P.S. Depending on how this plays out WIRED could be enemy number 1 of bitcoin if this article harms the Project.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Cryptopher on December 09, 2015, 07:28:37 AM
I'm skeptical with this, as always.

Publicly stating that you're Satoshi seems to be one of the least Satoshi things that you can do...


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: YarkoL on December 09, 2015, 07:59:05 AM

Probably nope.

When he says he's been "running Bitcoin since 2009", that's interesting
though. I take it to mean that he has been running the client and mining from
very early date.

Or then again he may have been just bragging. There is certainly
amount of megalomania there.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: coinut on December 09, 2015, 08:05:07 AM
if bitcoin was 10 cents would they have carried out the raid............... my bet is no  ;D


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: USB-S on December 09, 2015, 08:20:29 AM
if bitcoin was 10 cents would they have carried out the raid............... my bet is no  ;D

10cents a pop. holy moly, what a dream that would be.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: coinut on December 09, 2015, 09:02:02 AM
it would be nice  8) although if it went back up to 1000, more "bitcoin inventors" might be raided it seems. bit sad really


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Beparanf on December 09, 2015, 09:11:14 AM
it would be nice  8) although if it went back up to 1000, more "bitcoin inventors" might be raided it seems. bit sad really

The authority will try to get most out of bitcoin. However, I do not think that guy is Satoshi. Satoshi is invisible.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Karartma1 on December 09, 2015, 09:34:25 AM
I'm skeptical with this, as always.

Publicly stating that you're Satoshi seems to be one of the least Satoshi things that you can do...

He did not admit anything in fact. Quoting Wired I'd say "Either Wright invented bitcoin, or he's a brilliant hoaxer who very badly wants us to believe he did."
Lots of signs match: the ultimate proof would be that he shows he owns the keys of the 1 million BTC address but I don't think that will happen. Anyway this story gets more and more interesting and cryptic.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Hanna on December 09, 2015, 09:40:53 AM
If being Satoshi was a crime, could Wright be convicted?
I don't think so.

On the other hand, he may have been part of an original duo and he may have leaked the info on purpose because it suits his agenda at the moment. 

One thing I don't get is how a guy so talented with access to a bitcoin fortune lives so modestly.
Even if he doesn't care about money, he's got a wife and children.

Anybody with children who had access to a fortune, even if they don't want to spend it on themselves, would invest on the best possible education for their children.

What's the story with Wright's wife and kids?


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: WhatTheGox on December 09, 2015, 09:48:01 AM

I voted probably not, it doesnt really matter that much though.  It is a little interesting in that youtube video the way he acts when asked about his background in bitcoin.  He could also be a fraud, all he has to do is sign a address.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: pedrog on December 09, 2015, 09:51:03 AM
Probably not, but at least this guy is involved with bitcoin, like a lot, Dorian Nakamoto doesn't even knew what bitcoin was.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Amph on December 09, 2015, 11:16:37 AM
sign the address associated to the second block and then we can talk, but i guess we will never see this, therefore it's pointless

another wanne be satoshi we have here


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Straux on December 09, 2015, 11:30:51 AM
Nope. This Wright guy is vain. Look at Satoshi's posts on this forum and there is no sign of that vanity.

But Satoshi was all business whenever he talked to us on the forums. He never joked about. How do we know how he just took on that persona when he was using his bitcointalk account?


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: yefi on December 09, 2015, 11:34:51 AM
At first I thought this was the usual nonsense, but those are some damn strange responses by his family, friends and associates.

edit: on looking over this more thoroughly, it appears to be the usual nonsense after all.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: MaritiJames3 on December 09, 2015, 11:37:10 AM
Satoshi is hiding and reading some of his posts, he would never ever search media attention or acknowledge he is Da Satoshi.
It's safe to say, he is not Craig Wright.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: borgfish on December 09, 2015, 11:46:47 AM
lol, tax related home search, says it all or ?


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Mickeyb on December 09, 2015, 12:06:38 PM
He will never sign an address, even if everything is pointing to him, why would he do so? If he does it than it's just to confirm 100% that he is Satoshi and I don't think he would want to prove this 100% at least not in this moment!


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Velkro on December 09, 2015, 12:07:45 PM
Most likely no, IMO. There are too many warning signs of some kind of a scam attempt (or an attempt to defraud some entity)
this, he have problem with taxes, his solution to handle this situation is bitcoin... there you are, scam written all over it


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: kwukduck on December 09, 2015, 12:21:36 PM
Waiting for that PGP signature or movement of coins from the first blocks... let me guess, not going to happen.
This guy totally doesn't fit the profile of Satoshi.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Amph on December 09, 2015, 12:28:38 PM
Waiting for that PGP signature or movement of coins from the first blocks... let me guess, not going to happen.
This guy totally doesn't fit the profile of Satoshi.

the first block is unspendable, so at best the second


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: mexicantarget on December 09, 2015, 12:29:48 PM
Not sure why you had to complicate it this much.

Quote
Yes, no doubt   - 15 (10.4%)
Probably yes   - 42 (29.2%)
Probably nope   - 45 (31.3%)
No, no doubt   - 42 (29.2%)

Couldn't you just put "yes" and "no"?

Voted "No, no doubt".


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: tokeweed on December 09, 2015, 12:40:45 PM
Let's all vote for Yes no doubt for the lulz.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: mexicantarget on December 09, 2015, 12:41:22 PM
Let's all vote for Yes no doubt for the lulz.
Too late, was thinking the same, but we better not create any FUD. Markets are doing great.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: saddampbuh on December 09, 2015, 12:45:03 PM
they just raided his house for owing taxes, so probably not

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/dec/09/bitcoin-founder-craig-wrights-home-raided-by-australian-police


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: monsanto on December 09, 2015, 12:53:31 PM
Most likely no, IMO. There are too many warning signs of some kind of a scam attempt (or an attempt to defraud some entity)
this, he have problem with taxes, his solution to handle this situation is bitcoin... there you are, scam written all over it

Yeah he would seem to have a motive but how exactly would pretending to be Satoshi help with his tax problems? Only thing I can think of is he says don't take my stuff for back taxes, because I have this hoard of bitcoins that I can't access until 2020.

From what I've seen if it isn't him it's one hell of a hoax, then again most of the information is from supposed leaked emails which obviously he could have leaked himself.  The thing is this Gwern person who broke the story seems to be fairly respected, so for that reason I think there's still a chance.  Too bad for them if it turns out to be a hoax.  Sounds like Wired and Gizmodo we're racing to be first and may have cut some corners.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: bitlancr on December 09, 2015, 01:11:08 PM
I doubt it, I don't believe satoshi is just one person. I believe it's a group of people who came up with bitcoin.
But these are just theories, it's one of these things that I can never say or know for sure.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: YarkoL on December 09, 2015, 01:13:08 PM
 The thing is this Gwern person who broke the story seems to be fairly respected, so for that reason I think there's still a chance.

Hopped back..
to edit out some shit about Gwern,
I like his taste in anime -

like this guy too!

http://cdn.thewire.com/media/img/posts/2014/02/shing-1/5225f88a3.gif




Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Mickeyb on December 09, 2015, 01:15:33 PM
I doubt it, I don't believe satoshi is just one person. I believe it's a group of people who came up with bitcoin.
But these are just theories, it's one of these things that I can never say or know for sure.

Now when you mentioned it, I have to admit that I never thought in this way. This could also be quite possible since the level of innovation in Bitcoin might be quite overwhelming for just one person, we all must admit that.

For the group, it would be much easier to innovate and to think off all these things that were thought off in Bitcoin!


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: tokeweed on December 09, 2015, 01:19:18 PM
Let's all vote for Yes no doubt for the lulz.
Too late, was thinking the same, but we better not create any FUD. Markets are doing great.

You believe this community has an effect on the price?  4 years ago, maybe...

Btw, it's China driving BTC in this wave.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: topiOleg on December 09, 2015, 02:52:50 PM
Waiting for that PGP signature or movement of coins from the first blocks... let me guess, not going to happen.
This guy totally doesn't fit the profile of Satoshi.

the first block is unspendable, so at best the second


Unspedable, but first block generated coins going to 1A1zP1eP5QGefi2DMPTfTL5SLmv7DivfNa
which Satoshi could sign message with if he has private key of this address

Bitcoin Block #0
https://blockchain.info/block/000000000019d6689c085ae165831e934ff763ae46a2a6c172b3f1b60a8ce26f?show_adv=true


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Nordicbeast on December 09, 2015, 03:21:37 PM
No way, does not sound very legit to me.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Cøbra on December 09, 2015, 03:27:08 PM
No, definitely not Satoshi.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: thejaytiesto on December 09, 2015, 03:35:18 PM
At first yesterday when it first hit the news it seemed to be real, but upon further investigation the supposed proof isn't conclusive enough to simply state that it's satoshi, we could be talking about an elaborate hoax right there.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: HabBear on December 09, 2015, 05:28:33 PM
Waiting for that PGP signature or movement of coins from the first blocks... let me guess, not going to happen.
This guy totally doesn't fit the profile of Satoshi.

This guy doesn't fit the profile of someone who know one knows and only Gavin Andresen (that we know of publicly) communicated with regularly via email.

What do you know about Satoshi's profile that gives you any insight into his personality or history?


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Quantus on December 09, 2015, 05:29:18 PM
"Look at me!" -Craig Wright

The dude is clearly a scammer trying to start a Bitcoin bank (dose that sound like SN?) so he can steal everyone's bitcoins, but he got busted for scamming people out of their money and will rot in jail; maybe karma is real.

Edit: Come on guys your better then this!


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Denker on December 09, 2015, 05:36:20 PM
I don't think it's him.
Satoshi and a Bitcoin Bank? No that can not be true!!!
But this guy is definitely a interesting person.Maybe an egomaniac who needed attention for whatever reason.
Can't wait to read more stories about his past.
I also would like to know way more about his dead friend Dave Kleimann.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: megashira1 on December 09, 2015, 05:38:43 PM
Out of jealous rage, Wright murdered Kleiman so he could take credit for the creation of bitcoin!

- you heard it here first


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: maku on December 09, 2015, 05:42:26 PM
We don't have any definitive proof that he is Satoshi. Every evidence shown so far could be fabricated with relative ease, leaked mails, blog entry from the past (are there people who saw his blog in 2009?)
Too much questions and not enough solid answers.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: nioc on December 09, 2015, 05:44:21 PM
If he is satoshi I will give away all my btc :)


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: keepdoing on December 09, 2015, 05:46:30 PM
If being Satoshi was a crime, could Wright be convicted?
I don't think so.

On the other hand, he may have been part of an original duo and he may have leaked the info on purpose because it suits his agenda at the moment. 

One thing I don't get is how a guy so talented with access to a bitcoin fortune lives so modestly.
Even if he doesn't care about money, he's got a wife and children.

Anybody with children who had access to a fortune, even if they don't want to spend it on themselves, would invest on the best possible education for their children.

What's the story with Wright's wife and kids?
So, like say trying to completely transform and open up the educational system on a global level to all?????

GUESS who is running the following project???  Could it be CRAIG WRIGHT!?!?!?!?!?!

SITE: http://web.archive.org/web/20150212122445/http://hotwirepe.com/our_businesses.html

AND SCROLL DOWN TO EXCERPT:::

INTEGYRZ
Integyrz is a fresh, revolutionary approach to eLearning. Our system is adaptive, and learns from users as they learn from it. Integyrz provides a range of delivery modes to suit every type of user. These involve Learning Management Systems, Massive Open Online Courses, Corporate and Individual training; thus allowing individuals, universities, corporations and other organisations to use the system for their respective educational needs. Our system will equip users with the latest tools and technologies to cater to the ever-changing education landscape. Courses in Integyrz are designed to be fun, interactive and informative. Students learn at their own pace and in their prefered learning style. Instructors can structure their course in various ways such as timed / untimed, graded / ungraded etc. Anyone and everyone can create a course on Integyrz. One can create courses on a variety of topics, such as a simple recipe or a fully-fledged university course. All these and other features make Integyrz one of a kind in the world of eLearning.

NAHHHH!  Definitely not a good or "Satoshi-like" venture.  Seriously people, you are all going to be SOOO very embarrased.  If you would only shut up yapping long enough to research the facts.  


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: boopy265420 on December 09, 2015, 06:00:53 PM
Probably nope I dont think he can be Satoshi Nakamoto as there are very few people who may really know him personally.I can not reach on anything so I gave vote for probably no.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: fantoos on December 09, 2015, 06:03:11 PM
My vote is for no,no doubt.Satoshi should be someone extraordinary and charismatic personality that is the reason I say with full confident that Craig Wright is not Satoshi .


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: keepdoing on December 09, 2015, 06:04:23 PM
If he is satoshi I will give away all my btc :)

Let me help you out here.....

1Fii6CKVPa5Hi6rnyyXfduVxc6rfiCoywg

I will warn you that I will use them for something that you most likely won't approve of, but they will be for your benefit.  Sorry that your paranoia is getting in the way of realistic thinking.  Personally I do hope Craig = Satoshi doesn't have to be torn up too badly by the mob, but ey, shepherding on a mass level bears with it the inherent risk of having the sheep turn and butt you.  There is a reason for the use of sheep as a reference to people.  Sheep really are stupid, selfish, and not really farsighted in knowing what is best for them.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Syke on December 09, 2015, 06:09:37 PM
What do you know about Satoshi's profile that gives you any insight into his personality or history?

You too can get a feel for Satoshi. Read over his 575 posts. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3;sa=showPosts


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: knightmb on December 09, 2015, 06:44:17 PM
Satoshi did a lot of off-forum communication, some of which a lot of us still have in archive. I did contact the author of this article and gave them some clues to check for to see if it is really him. So far, no response, but no surprise after all these years, people have published many stories about finding the real Satoshi. I contact them, offer up some useful info not available on the Internet and usually the investigation falls through as the supposed Satoshi can't answer any questions from the past about interactions with other members here. The real Satoshi could contact any of us directly with a "I'm alive" message if he wanted to, that would clear up confusion quickly.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: cellard on December 09, 2015, 06:47:21 PM
If he is satoshi I will give away all my btc :)
Gotta have to quote you on this one. How many did you got :p

Anyway, im not sure if this is satoshi, but I like the theory of Kleiman (the guy in a wheelchair) being the real satoshi, and then this guy taking over his work to become worldwide famous. If anything it makes for a really cool hollywood movie.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: BitBatFan on December 09, 2015, 08:02:48 PM
I dont think he's satoshi nakamoto. Not enough proof for such claims.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: johnty82 on December 09, 2015, 08:33:16 PM
Satoshi did a lot of off-forum communication, some of which a lot of us still have in archive. I did contact the author of this article and gave them some clues to check for to see if it is really him. So far, no response, but no surprise after all these years, people have published many stories about finding the real Satoshi. I contact them, offer up some useful info not available on the Internet and usually the investigation falls through as the supposed Satoshi can't answer any questions from the past about interactions with other members here. The real Satoshi could contact any of us directly with a "I'm alive" message if he wanted to, that would clear up confusion quickly.

I don't think Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto. The evidence was badly faked, and if you communicated off forum with him he could have contacted you to prove it.

I'm intriged, did you personally communicate with him through the two email accounts he's known to have used?


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: keepdoing on December 09, 2015, 10:23:30 PM
Time Magazine hasn't taken a stance, but they wasted no time FUDding the angle that Craig/Satoshi was going to crash Bitcoin by dumping all his coins.  This is something Craig/Satoshi is most likely aware will not go away - an elephant eternally in the room.  I think once his Bitcoin Bank is established, and those Bitcoins pegged officially as the reserve, locked in, then this issue will continue to haunt.  But once it is official this issue will go away, as the uncertainty dissolves.

http://time.com/4142523/bitcoin-inventor-satoshi-nakamoto-craig-wright/


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Dotto on December 10, 2015, 01:15:00 AM
Case seems to be done

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/satoshis-pgp-keys-are-probably-backdated-and-point-to-a-hoax


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: keepdoing on December 10, 2015, 01:52:50 AM
Case seems to be done

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/satoshis-pgp-keys-are-probably-backdated-and-point-to-a-hoax

It was a very good article.  Very thorough, very detailed, well written.  It was also very clearly inconclusive.  The writer clearly has an opinion that Craig does Not = Satoshi, but also clearly left the possibility open, even if only slightly in his own mind, the acknowledgement that the evidence against is NOT conclusive.

Also - Wired provided a quite satisfactory response to the contrary.

There is ONE POSSIBILITY that I have seen no one throw out yet, and while I do not know if it is true, it is a plausible theory that fits the overall scenario.....

Wired/Gizmoto was getting close to Craig/Satoshi.  He knew it was coming and he knew if he could muddy the waters, he could have his cake and eat it too.  He planted the flawed evidence in the midst of the valid evidence discovered by Wired/Gizmoto.  He knew this would launch a firestorm of seeking/looking.  He knew this would muddy things and that it would most likely allow the storm to pass over - but in the meantime he would advantage the publicity.

Personally I don't buy this theory, but it is just as likely in my opinion as the possibility that Craig does not = Satoshi.  Lots of valid options to choose from :)  NOTHING settled conclusively though.  THAT is the only thing settled.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Chris_Sabian on December 10, 2015, 02:13:20 AM
Signed message from the Genesis Block or nothing.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Quantus on December 10, 2015, 02:29:42 AM
You'd have to be a fucking retard to think this guy was SN.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: keepdoing on December 10, 2015, 02:30:47 AM
Signed message from the Genesis Block or nothing.
Sorry.  You don't get to make the rules.  The ONLY opinion as to what path shall be taken, is that of the person walking the path.  Satoshi = Satoshi even if you get nothing.  And Satoshi = the person/individual/entity/group that is in your midst even if you get nothing.  And if Craig = Satoshi and you get nothing, then Craig STILL = Satoshi, and you simply know nothing.  And he won't care.  I know I don't.

You don't get to play God over free thought and expounding of ideas Chris.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Quantus on December 10, 2015, 02:38:00 AM
This is what I think happened.
This dickheads been scamming people for years and one of his marks found out after getting scammed and hacked his dumb ass and outed him to the world and the Bitcoin community as payback.
And he was such a egomaniac that he probability lied to his family and friends and even his wife telling them that he was the real SN. Even now he wants to be SN so bad he can't stop.
This guy is living in his own made up fantasy.




Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: ebliever on December 10, 2015, 02:38:58 AM
Wright is not Satoshi. It's becoming clear that he scammed the Australian tax office with a fraudulent R&D expenditure claim to gain tax credits, in a scam involving bitcoin mining claims.

Here is some other evidence debunking Wright, from what I recall about Satoshi:

1. Satoshi's posting and email patterns show he slept from Midnight-6 AM eastern standard time (USA). Not that he had to be in that time zone, but that's when he apparently slept. Very odd for an Australian on the opposite side of the world.

2. Satoshi valued anonymity VERY highly and was disciplined about it. This Wright guy teased Wired and gave them enough "evidence" to cause this story. That is TOTALLY out of character from what we know of Satoshi.

3. Wright has a flamboyant writing style with lots of "mouthing off". To the extent I've seen Satoshi's writings, he doesn't "mouth off", was concise and to-the-point in his writing and kept logic and reason ahead of emotion, unlike Wright.

4. Likewise, Wright's writing samples include many typos - clearly unlike Satoshi who was pretty impeccable about what he wrote.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Chris_Sabian on December 10, 2015, 04:05:03 AM
Signed message from the Genesis Block or nothing.
Sorry.  You don't get to make the rules.  The ONLY opinion as to what path shall be taken, is that of the person walking the path.  Satoshi = Satoshi even if you get nothing.  And Satoshi = the person/individual/entity/group that is in your midst even if you get nothing.  And if Craig = Satoshi and you get nothing, then Craig STILL = Satoshi, and you simply know nothing.  And he won't care.  I know I don't.

You don't get to play God over free thought and expounding of ideas Chris.

huh?



Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: keepdoing on December 10, 2015, 04:26:20 AM
Signed message from the Genesis Block or nothing.
Sorry.  You don't get to make the rules.  The ONLY opinion as to what path shall be taken, is that of the person walking the path.  Satoshi = Satoshi even if you get nothing.  And Satoshi = the person/individual/entity/group that is in your midst even if you get nothing.  And if Craig = Satoshi and you get nothing, then Craig STILL = Satoshi, and you simply know nothing.  And he won't care.  I know I don't.

You don't get to play God over free thought and expounding of ideas Chris.

huh?

Man, don't you hate it when something simple just goes over your head.  OR when you make something simple overly complex.  Oh well, it has been interesting.  Head is starting to hurt. 


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: meono on December 10, 2015, 04:47:44 AM
Signed message from the Genesis Block or nothing.
Sorry.  You don't get to make the rules.  The ONLY opinion as to what path shall be taken, is that of the person walking the path.  Satoshi = Satoshi even if you get nothing.  And Satoshi = the person/individual/entity/group that is in your midst even if you get nothing.  And if Craig = Satoshi and you get nothing, then Craig STILL = Satoshi, and you simply know nothing.  And he won't care.  I know I don't.

You don't get to play God over free thought and expounding of ideas Chris.

huh?



Ignore the troll, if you have not figured it out by now.



Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: enhu on December 10, 2015, 04:54:42 AM

This must be a government scam lol who would want to put their btc on BTC BANK?
Its like the story of Jesus really. Even if the real Satoshi comes, i might not believe either especially if he want to corrupt the system instead. And I mean BTC bank?  :o


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: justspare on December 10, 2015, 04:54:59 AM
I voted no doubt, he's not Satoshi. I think it's pretty obvious as why would satoshi, who is trying to hide his identity so desperately, make a youtube video publicly about bitcoins?

Something is just not right.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Kakmakr on December 10, 2015, 05:54:21 AM
I voted no doubt, he's not Satoshi. I think it's pretty obvious as why would satoshi, who is trying to hide his identity so desperately, make a youtube video publicly about bitcoins?

Something is just not right.

It's not entirely impossible that it could happen that way. Many gay people stay hidden for years and suddenly come out of the closet, and then their whole persona change, and they react in a total opposite way, than they did before. Not saying Wright is gay, but just using the example of how people can change.

Time for Satoshi, to come out of the closet. ^heh^


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Karartma1 on December 10, 2015, 08:52:25 AM
We are no better than those talk shows on TV: why do we keep on chattering about this guy? No proof, no Satoshi that's it. Simple.
Our poll will not solve anything.

For your own reference:
Quote
In sum:

    Only one key, the Original Key, is actually known to be associated with Satoshi.
    The Wired and Gizmodo Keys that supposedly lead back to Satoshi weren’t previously known to be linked to Satoshi, and their 2008 creation date could have been faked.
    Both keys use a longer and less-common key size than the Original Key.
    Both keys use a list of cipher-suites that don’t match up to the Original Key, and weren’t added to GPG until 2009.
    The Wired key was retroactively added to a 2008 blogpost sometime between 2012 and 2014, as noted in its story.
    A core Bitcoin developer who’s been involved from nearly the beginning looked back at 2011 chatlogs referring to “fake” Satoshi keys on keyservers, and found no reference to either the Gizmodo or Wired keys. He thinks that those keys weren’t yet uploaded to the keyserver in 2011.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: el kaka22 on December 10, 2015, 09:41:39 AM
I've voted 'no, no doubt'. I don't think that guy is satoshi, or even an early adopter of bitcoin. He cannot sign the genesis address (which mined block #0 at 3rd Jan 2009), or even an old address with unspent output from 2009 (but the real satoshi have many of them). Signed message is the proof of identity in the bitcoin world.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: ultimatesky on December 10, 2015, 09:45:20 AM
I really doubt that this guy is the real satoshi. I don't believe it because I don't think sathosi will come out like the previous ones have.
I don't think he/she will ever come out. At least I know I wouldn't.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: gentlemand on December 11, 2015, 03:00:40 AM
Considering how much of a hobby this is for people and how voracious the media at present are I wonder what'll happen if BTC really starts to gain traction in the years to come. There'll be mountain temples filled with shaven headed acolytes devoting every waking moment to studying his identity. I wonder if he realised how curious people would be and whether he covered every possible track. It's only just begun.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Dotto on December 11, 2015, 09:42:22 AM
Case seems to be done

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/satoshis-pgp-keys-are-probably-backdated-and-point-to-a-hoax

It was a very good article.  Very thorough, very detailed, well written.  It was also very clearly inconclusive.  The writer clearly has an opinion that Craig does Not = Satoshi, but also clearly left the possibility open, even if only slightly in his own mind, the acknowledgement that the evidence against is NOT conclusive.

Also - Wired provided a quite satisfactory response to the contrary.

There is ONE POSSIBILITY that I have seen no one throw out yet, and while I do not know if it is true, it is a plausible theory that fits the overall scenario.....

Wired/Gizmoto was getting close to Craig/Satoshi.  He knew it was coming and he knew if he could muddy the waters, he could have his cake and eat it too.  He planted the flawed evidence in the midst of the valid evidence discovered by Wired/Gizmoto.  He knew this would launch a firestorm of seeking/looking.  He knew this would muddy things and that it would most likely allow the storm to pass over - but in the meantime he would advantage the publicity.

Personally I don't buy this theory, but it is just as likely in my opinion as the possibility that Craig does not = Satoshi.  Lots of valid options to choose from :)  NOTHING settled conclusively though.  THAT is the only thing settled.

Hi, Craig c;!


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Dapallo on December 11, 2015, 11:45:12 AM
If I could vote, I would vote no, no doubt. There's just not enough prove that he is the real satoshi.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: EdenHazard on December 11, 2015, 04:40:50 PM
What do you think?

http://www.wired.com/2015/12/bitcoins-creator-satoshi-nakamoto-is-probably-this-unknown-australian-genius/

To me seems legit...
you just have 17 person who agree with you,and so many people not sure. for me,i just vote probably,because i dont care about that,just read some article about it.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: glon on December 11, 2015, 04:41:54 PM
Wright is not Satoshi. It's becoming clear that he scammed the Australian tax office with a fraudulent R&D expenditure claim to gain tax credits, in a scam involving bitcoin mining claims.

Here is some other evidence debunking Wright, from what I recall about Satoshi:

1. Satoshi's posting and email patterns show he slept from Midnight-6 AM eastern standard time (USA). Not that he had to be in that time zone, but that's when he apparently slept. Very odd for an Australian on the opposite side of the world.

2. Satoshi valued anonymity VERY highly and was disciplined about it. This Wright guy teased Wired and gave them enough "evidence" to cause this story. That is TOTALLY out of character from what we know of Satoshi.

3. Wright has a flamboyant writing style with lots of "mouthing off". To the extent I've seen Satoshi's writings, he doesn't "mouth off", was concise and to-the-point in his writing and kept logic and reason ahead of emotion, unlike Wright.

4. Likewise, Wright's writing samples include many typos - clearly unlike Satoshi who was pretty impeccable about what he wrote.

It would be interesting to compare the writing style of Satoshi with that of Daid Kleiman - a Florida man (EST time zone). I'm baffled as to how many people are completely dismissing the Wired/Gizmodo story (meaning also dismissing the connection between Wright and Klieman) all the while there is evidence that even Kleiman's senile father (92 years old) knew in 2014 his son was somehow involved in the creation of Bitcoin.

The right question to ask is this: How exactly did Wright and Kleiman know each other, if at all?


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: SparkedDev on December 11, 2015, 10:32:20 PM
I find it funny this dude just happens to have an ipo going and a story leaks about him.. Hmms


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Mr Felt on December 11, 2015, 11:55:02 PM
You'd have to be a fucking retard to think this guy was SN.

You made the New Yorker; I'm not joking:
http://www.newyorker.com/business/currency/bizarre-saga-craig-wright-latest-inventor-bitcoin?intcid=mod-latest



Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: chek2fire on December 12, 2015, 12:21:06 AM
First time i read this story i was near to accept that this guy is Satoshi. Now i say that this guy is only a scammer


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: knightkon on December 12, 2015, 12:31:03 AM
Look into his records and also into his alibi.  With his movement and business ventures when this was launched, it almost makes it impossible for him to be Satoshi Nakamoto.  I have said this before in other posts, Satoshi Nakamoto is not an individual. 


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: AtheistAKASaneBrain on December 12, 2015, 01:33:35 AM
Look into his records and also into his alibi.  With his movement and business ventures when this was launched, it almost makes it impossible for him to be Satoshi Nakamoto.  I have said this before in other posts, Satoshi Nakamoto is not an individual. 
But if he is not only one person, chances are that it would have leaked already. The only way to stay truly anonymous at Satoshi levels for so many years, is not telling anyone that you are satoshi, if you tell someone even your best friend and member of the team, inside info may end up leaking, so there is a strong possibility Satoshi is only one person because of this imo.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Searing on December 12, 2015, 04:00:59 AM
Look into his records and also into his alibi.  With his movement and business ventures when this was launched, it almost makes it impossible for him to be Satoshi Nakamoto.  I have said this before in other posts, Satoshi Nakamoto is not an individual.  
But if he is not only one person, chances are that it would have leaked already. The only way to stay truly anonymous at Satoshi levels for so many years, is not telling anyone that you are satoshi, if you tell someone even your best friend and member of the team, inside info may end up leaking, so there is a strong possibility Satoshi is only one person because of this imho.


Likely the person that passed away that was quoted as also involved in making Bitcoin was the MAIN guy doing so. I'm beginning to think it is something like that. Too bad the myth if it is really this guy is gonna get pretty tattered...being just another human and all.

The actual 'interesting' part that would happen is IF he proved he was Satoshi and then had to go to court and deal with all the Australian Tax issues...and say he was convicted and had to settle with them....300,000 to 1,000,000 million BTC seized by Australian Tax Authorities and auction would really liven up the BTC world. (can you say 50 buck btc again?)

Would not bode well to have him be an unstable scumbag who goes FU and tries to sell all the BTC at once just to truly play 'anarchist'  if not this guy say they find someone else is Satoshi always a danger of something like this (slight thou it may be)

(should get popcorn the possibilities of all this going 'pear shaped' has all the horror of a horror movie..and makes me crave popcorn (off to make popcorn good to have a goal) :)



Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Dreamofbtcman on December 12, 2015, 04:25:38 AM
im new. idk who craig wright is or satoshi nakamoto is. do i need to? do i need to care even after knowing?

the software is good and thats all that matters. imo.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: tat123 on December 12, 2015, 05:18:00 AM
im new. idk who craig wright is or satoshi nakamoto is. do i need to? do i need to care even after knowing?

the software is good and thats all that matters. imo.

Of course you need to know! You should also know how I take my coffee. Double, Double.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: quentincole32 on December 12, 2015, 08:16:01 AM
i choose no,no doubt. and the poll is also have 96 person dont agree.
its hard to believe if craig wright is satoshi nakamoto.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: mmortal03 on December 12, 2015, 08:27:50 PM
(C01n Ltd) - Director Profile
Dr. Craig Steven Wright
Organisation   C01n Ltd
Service Address   Suite 502 / Level 5
32 Delhi Rd North Ryde, Nsw Australia
Organisation Type   Private Limited Company
Industries   Computer Programming Activities
Dormant Company
Net Assets   £38,508,838
Headquarters Location   London, United Kingdom

Currently operates the only private Supercomputer in the Top 100 Global Supercomputers.
Supercomputer Listing: http://www.top500.org/site/50547

PS... he claimed in the video that he has relocated to Iceland in order to take advantage of their environment, which is most suitable for operating a supercomputer.   He said he was about to launch an even larger one there.

All of this should be easily verifiable.  I think we will soon know.

It's looking like no: http://www.zdnet.com/article/sgi-denies-links-with-alleged-bitcoin-founder-craig-wright/

How might he have faked such a nonexistent supercomputer's Linpack performance? Well, according to top500.org, they only verify a *sample* of the systems in their database, not the entire list each time, so maybe he just got lucky and his system wasn't selected the three times it made the list? Maybe he figured out some other way to not have to verify it with them?

From: http://www.top500.org/project/call_for_participation/
Quote
In addition to cross checking different sources of information, we select randomly a statistical representative sample of the first 500 systems of our database. For these systems we ask the supplier of the information to establish direct contact between the installation site and us to verify the given information. This gives us basic information about the quality of the list in total.

It'd be interesting to find out from the following person if they ever selected his supercomputer for Linpack performance testing.
Quote
Performance numbers for the Linpack benchmark are collected and updated by Jack Dongarra (dongarra@cs.utk.edu). Please report any Linpack performance numbers directly to him.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: MaritiJames3 on December 12, 2015, 08:30:22 PM
I think he is. There are just to many things that can't be a coincidence.
He being mr. Satoshi has given Bitcoin a new dimension. But only the future can tell if he is it.
From what he said in the wired article (some secrects are best kept hidden), we should probably respect his anonimity.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: mmortal03 on December 13, 2015, 12:25:59 AM
I think he is. There are just to many things that can't be a coincidence.
He being mr. Satoshi has given Bitcoin a new dimension. But only the future can tell if he is it.
From what he said in the wired article (some secrects are best kept hidden), we should probably respect his anonimity.

Read the last two paragraphs of the following and tell me that he's Satoshi, and not a scammer just throwing around jargon to sound important: http://web.archive.org/web/20151121023834/http://cloudcroft.com.au/blog_ceoupdatenextfiveyears.php


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: larem on December 13, 2015, 02:09:30 AM
To me, the evidence is against him being Satoshi. It seems like an elaborate plot for recognition (fame? Fortune from being picked up by a great company? Influence on the block size debate?).


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: repentance on December 13, 2015, 08:35:35 AM


And the motivation for Craig Wright to pretend to be Satoshi Nakamoto was to scam the Australian Tax Office out out 10's of millions in Research & Development tax rebates.



I don't think that was the entirety of the scam.  I suspect that at least part of the scam - and perhaps the most important part - was to get Bitcoin from others on the pretext of backing Denariuz.  We've seen how easily "investors" can be convinced to part with their Bitcoin in the past.  Saying you received $54 million in credits from the ATO lends an air of legitimacy, as does saying you're going to launch with a pool of 100,000 BTC but it's all self-referential stuff with the smell of smoke and mirrors.

This isn't going to be a fast investigation, but it will be interesting to see how deep the rabbit hole goes.

I'd take any claims by Wright, including the claim that he contributed $23 million in Bitcoin to Hotwire, with a grain of salt until such time as his financial dealings have been verified by forensic accountants.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Searing on December 13, 2015, 08:49:45 AM


And the motivation for Craig Wright to pretend to be Satoshi Nakamoto was to scam the Australian Tax Office out out 10's of millions in Research & Development tax rebates.



I don't think that was the entirety of the scam.  I suspect that at least part of the scam - and perhaps the most important part - was to get Bitcoin from others on the pretext of backing Denariuz.  We've seen how easily "investors" can be convinced to part with their Bitcoin in the past.  Saying you received $54 million in credits from the ATO lends an air of legitimacy, as does saying you're going to launch with a pool of 100,000 BTC but it's all self-referential stuff with the smell of smoke and mirrors.

This isn't going to be a fast investigation, but it will be interesting to see how deep the rabbit hole goes.

I'd take any claims by Wright, including the claim that he contributed $23 million in Bitcoin to Hotwire, with a grain of salt until such time as his financial dealings have been verified by forensic accountants.

Could be simple extortion..they knew he was an 'early adopter' the hacker dug in and saw 'boasts' or whatever of him being satoshi....he probably said FU because he is not Satoshi and they hung him out to dry on his other endeavors......would be a good lesson to satoshi out there..ie pay the btc fine :)


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: calkob on December 13, 2015, 08:52:52 AM
from what ive read it seems pretty convincing, i know some have said about the emails being fake and some ot the forum posts have been edited, but i would gave to say it the most convincing so far.......


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Searing on December 13, 2015, 08:59:03 AM
from what ive read it seems pretty convincing, i know some have said about the emails being fake and some ot the forum posts have been edited, but i would gave to say it the most convincing so far.......

yeah but again a hacker finds emails on some early adopter guy he plans to exploit/blackmail ...and finds he is bragging he is satoshi (so he can do his scams and convice australian tax folk on the 45 million in tax credits etc)

so the hacker tries to blackmail him on such...now it comes out .....he does not pay because wright knows he really is not satoshi no matter what his bragging emails say...nade .he has shady biz dealings and lying or implying he is satoshi on top of it....just saying is a scamer (hacker) found another scammer (wright) it could shake out like that (assuming wright did not want any of this info out 1) his biz dealings that look shady and or 2) his private implies that he is satoshi..he got targeted by hacker because he was an early adopter..hacker thinks "jackpot' wright tells hacker to screw off..hacker has a lot more stuff then wright realizes...ie wright is now screwed on two fronts by his own words 1) tax folk 2) implies he is (but not) satoshi

I will be annoyed if he is satoshi.....you think the press FUD on gox and such was wild...wait for 1 year of a trial for tax fraud on the founder of Bitcoin.....the press fud will sell much in advertising......much rejoicing in the yellow journalism world.....


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: yefi on December 13, 2015, 11:43:06 PM
from what ive read it seems pretty convincing, i know some have said about the emails being fake and some ot the forum posts have been edited, but i would gave to say it the most convincing so far.......

There is only one true contender, and it isn't this joker.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: larem on December 14, 2015, 02:31:05 AM
from what ive read it seems pretty convincing, i know some have said about the emails being fake and some ot the forum posts have been edited, but i would gave to say it the most convincing so far.......

The altered data is what makes it fairly obvious he ISN'T the original. The real Satoshi would be able to sign a message.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: TheMage on December 15, 2015, 03:55:34 AM
I think he is. There are just to many things that can't be a coincidence.
He being mr. Satoshi has given Bitcoin a new dimension. But only the future can tell if he is it.
From what he said in the wired article (some secrects are best kept hidden), we should probably respect his anonimity.

Read the last two paragraphs of the following and tell me that he's Satoshi, and not a scammer just throwing around jargon to sound important: http://web.archive.org/web/20151121023834/http://cloudcroft.com.au/blog_ceoupdatenextfiveyears.php



This right here sealed the deal for me, Craig Wright is not Satoshi.


Quote
to be released and commercialised


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: lolgato on December 15, 2015, 03:56:56 AM
I think he is. There are just to many things that can't be a coincidence.
He being mr. Satoshi has given Bitcoin a new dimension. But only the future can tell if he is it.
From what he said in the wired article (some secrects are best kept hidden), we should probably respect his anonimity.

Read the last two paragraphs of the following and tell me that he's Satoshi, and not a scammer just throwing around jargon to sound important: http://web.archive.org/web/20151121023834/http://cloudcroft.com.au/blog_ceoupdatenextfiveyears.php



This right here sealed the deal for me, Craig Wright is not Satoshi.


Quote
to be released and commercialised
This solidified that he is not satoshi and never will be.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: larem on December 15, 2015, 06:47:49 AM
I think he is. There are just to many things that can't be a coincidence.
He being mr. Satoshi has given Bitcoin a new dimension. But only the future can tell if he is it.
From what he said in the wired article (some secrects are best kept hidden), we should probably respect his anonimity.

Read the last two paragraphs of the following and tell me that he's Satoshi, and not a scammer just throwing around jargon to sound important: http://web.archive.org/web/20151121023834/http://cloudcroft.com.au/blog_ceoupdatenextfiveyears.php



This right here sealed the deal for me, Craig Wright is not Satoshi.


Quote
to be released and commercialised
This solidified that he is not satoshi and never will be.

I just don't get why he would even insinuate he was. I mean there's the theory that he wants to seem important, but anyone in the community that really wanted to verify (i.e., to hire him) would know to have him sign an original address we KNOW belongs to him. He started the network. He kept it up. He knows the security. There's no way he'd magically not have access.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: jabo38 on December 15, 2015, 06:53:24 AM
There was an interesting case made but too many flags.

Nobody is Satoshi until those coins move.

He very well might have been involved in the early days of Bitcoin, but it most certainly was not his idea or code.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: jabo38 on December 15, 2015, 06:58:43 AM
Anybody else waiting for an "I am not Craig White," message? Hahaha


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: larem on December 15, 2015, 07:05:15 AM
Anybody else waiting for an "I am not Craig White," message? Hahaha

What may make it a little interesting is if we never see one while Craig is in trial for his tax issues... not really sure if that would sway my opinion, but it might.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: QuestionAuthority on December 18, 2015, 03:40:12 AM
Satoshi did a lot of off-forum communication, some of which a lot of us still have in archive. I did contact the author of this article and gave them some clues to check for to see if it is really him. So far, no response, but no surprise after all these years, people have published many stories about finding the real Satoshi. I contact them, offer up some useful info not available on the Internet and usually the investigation falls through as the supposed Satoshi can't answer any questions from the past about interactions with other members here. The real Satoshi could contact any of us directly with a "I'm alive" message if he wanted to, that would clear up confusion quickly.

Ladies and gentlemen, allow me to introduce knightmb, one of the first bitcoiners, the founder of timecoin and at one point one of the richest in Bitcoin.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: glon on February 04, 2016, 10:47:32 AM
OK so whatever the fuck happened to this story? No follow-up? No repercussions? How is it everyone's been quite about it for months?


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: monsanto on February 04, 2016, 11:00:43 AM
OK so whatever the fuck happened to this story? No follow-up? No repercussions? How is it everyone's been quite about it for months?

It's really strange that this "gwern" person, who I take it is fairly respected, made a big deal about this guy being Satoshi.  Then once doubts started to emerge it seems as if they just acted like it never happened. ???


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: blackraven1425 on February 04, 2016, 11:03:13 AM
What do you think?

http://www.wired.com/2015/12/bitcoins-creator-satoshi-nakamoto-is-probably-this-unknown-australian-genius/

To me seems legit...

This theory does not stand, there are many speculations and invalid arguments there... I still didn't understand why people spend so much time in these theories.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: mmortal03 on February 04, 2016, 05:43:04 PM
OK so whatever the fuck happened to this story? No follow-up? No repercussions? How is it everyone's been quite about it for months?

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2016/01/australian-officials-are-still-searching-for-craig-wright/


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Glucose on May 02, 2016, 10:34:26 AM
http://www.economist.com/news/business-and-finance/21698060-craig-wright-reveals-himself-as-satoshi-nakamoto


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: glon on May 02, 2016, 11:59:41 AM
http://www.economist.com/news/business-and-finance/21698060-craig-wright-reveals-himself-as-satoshi-nakamoto

Further cements my believe that the real Nakamoto is the late Kleiman.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Searing on May 02, 2016, 02:09:34 PM
http://www.economist.com/news/business-and-finance/21698060-craig-wright-reveals-himself-as-satoshi-nakamoto

Further cements my believe that the real Nakamoto is the late Kleiman.


Yeah if Craig W. Is Satoshi he seems bitter enough to flush his coins to cash ...shudder...sink the works because the tax man cometh ....be like most corperations ...pay a large fine and walk


450 million in usd dumped to cash and you walk from tax prison ....that would be bad such a plea deal


Beanie baby and tulip haters support group would be my future




Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Amph on May 02, 2016, 02:12:21 PM
There was an interesting case made but too many flags.

Nobody is Satoshi until those coins move.

He very well might have been involved in the early days of Bitcoin, but it most certainly was not his idea or code.

even if those early coins move, there is no guarantee that the wallet with the private key was not stolen from the real satoshi

so at this point it's all about guessing


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: bittrojan on May 02, 2016, 02:29:56 PM
What do you think?

http://www.wired.com/2015/12/bitcoins-creator-satoshi-nakamoto-is-probably-this-unknown-australian-genius/

To me seems legit...
Hard to decide to believe it or not,but actually i love europan people,wondering why craig use japan name for the alias. Craig can proven that he is bitcoin creator by sign message,and its good proof i think.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Quickseller on May 02, 2016, 02:54:40 PM
There was an interesting case made but too many flags.

Nobody is Satoshi until those coins move.

He very well might have been involved in the early days of Bitcoin, but it most certainly was not his idea or code.

even if those early coins move, there is no guarantee that the wallet with the private key was not stolen from the real satoshi

so at this point it's all about guessing
I don't think the private keys were stolen.  

I am not particularly a fan of the method of verifying his identity though. We not only need to trust Gavin's word, but also need to trust that his process was not somehow flawed or that he was not otherwise tricked. I would be more convinced if this guy were to publish a signed message to the public from the private keys of "block 1" or another block/address that is strongly connected to satoshi.

Edit: change "jets" to "keys" (autocorrect)


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: SparkedDev on May 02, 2016, 05:52:06 PM
Simple way to tell sign one of satoshis many public addresses proving he is who he says he is, if he can't no real proof.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: killerjoegreece on May 02, 2016, 05:54:05 PM
the results here tell a true story guys. he is not satoshi.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: ebliever on May 02, 2016, 06:22:02 PM
Wish I could change my poll answer. Back in Dec. I said "probably not". Now I'd move it to Certainly Not.  I do notice the first answer (that Craig is Satoshi) has dropped from 6.8% a few hours ago to 6.4% now. So people are not buying it.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: yefi on May 02, 2016, 06:34:25 PM
Hard to decide to believe it or not,but actually i love europan people,wondering why craig use japan name for the alias. Craig can proven that he is bitcoin creator by sign message,and its good proof i think.

Apparently after Tominaga Nakamoto, a Japanese philosopher who questioned the authority of his time. Funnily, he now expects us to believe in authority for his verification...


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: popovicbit on May 02, 2016, 06:45:41 PM
Who is Satoshi? He is supposed to be Turkish. Some say his father was German. Nobody believed he was real. Nobody ever saw him or knew anybody that ever worked directly for him, but to hear Gavin tell it, anybody could have worked for Satoshi. You never knew. That was his power.


http://www.methodshop.com/wp-content/uploads/police-protection-600x270.jpg


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: iCEBREAKER on May 03, 2016, 01:31:48 AM
The Wired article was interesting and sometimes almost convincing.
If he is a fake, then the real Satoshi is glad to have some fool grab a bunch of attention.

Well there is Dave Kleiman, the guy who died, it's possible he was the driving force even though plenty about his final circumstances doesn't add up either.

An obsessive, reclusive genius with his own supercomputer(s)?  The mysterious death of his closest(?) associate?

The next season of All My Bitcoins is going to be even more exciting than the thrilling Great Blocksize War story arc.

Every time I think 'this can't possibly get any more dramatic, engrossing, and entertaining' the writers pull a rabbit out of their hat.


Also: "Tessier-Ashpool@AnonymousSpeech.com."

ROFLMAO   :D

Quote
Gavin Andresen GitHub Commit Access Revoked
http://themerkle.com/gavin-andresen-github-commit-access-revoked/

With all of the drama surrounding to supposed reveal of the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto, a lot of news is not getting the attention it deserves. Gavin Andresen has allegedly validated Craig Wright’s claims as being Satoshi, but at the same time, his commit access to Bitcoin Core’s Github project has been removed.

https://i.imgur.com/7cQAcfc.png


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: YarkoL on May 04, 2016, 08:56:13 AM

In light of the recent revelations by Ian Grigg (http://financialcryptography.com/mt/archives/001593.html)
I'm now considering it a possibilty that "Satoshi Nakamoto" was indeed a team of individuals where
Craig Wright played a crucial part. (If that turns out true I will apologize profusely to Gwern!)

If so, then Wright's bizarre play of both presenting himself as Satoshi and at the same time
pulling out the rug under such claims might be a part of some elaborate cloak and daggers game.



Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: SparkedDev on May 04, 2016, 09:16:53 AM
https://www.nikcub.com/posts/craig-wright-is-not-satoshi-nakamoto/

and

https://github.com/patio11/wrightverification


Some things to read


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: bob123 on May 04, 2016, 09:20:12 AM
Until there is no proof via signed keys / messages i dont think its him.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Searing on May 04, 2016, 09:41:49 AM
Until there is no proof via signed keys / messages i dont think its him.

If  it is HIM however....he stated he was in this with that one guy who died (wheelchair) I forget the name and also Hal Finney (also passed) thus if they did set it up as he
says in a trust till 2020 and he is Satoshi..not sure I want to be in BTC when he can get his hands on 1/2 Billion (or more then) worth of BTC ....he seems bitter ..if he is
Satoshi he seems 'pissed' he was outed....he could go FU and flush the works ..and viola $1.20 btc again

of course we are all 'insane' for doing this and also pissed...so why should Satoshi be any different.....

then he also has tax troubles in Australia and in the usa your tax troubles 'go away' if you just pay..probably works the same way there

2021 Australian tax auction of 450 million BTC ..that also would suck

anyway the guy will cash out a significant portion of his BTC if he is Satoshi ASAP imho in 2020 ....if for no other reason then to keep the idiot's at bay who will
lurk/stalk him till then...one way to end it all could be take your 1/2 billion usd (hell by then maybe 1 billion) and flush the works and walk

that would show everybody that you were "Satoshi the Anarchist' indeed!!!

would be hard to be bugged about BTC if you sold it all and nuked the project.......no Satoshi needed..because BTC would be badly crippled at best

(frigging nightmare on crypto street action)

later


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Wapinter on May 04, 2016, 10:21:25 AM
What do you think?

http://www.wired.com/2015/12/bitcoins-creator-satoshi-nakamoto-is-probably-this-unknown-australian-genius/

To me seems legit...
There should be another option "I dont care who real Satoshi is" in this poll as it is really irrelevant for many like me.Whether Satoshi stays anonymous or comes out in public,it doesn't makes me love bitcoin less and that's what matters


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: nioc on May 04, 2016, 10:52:22 AM

In light of the recent revelations by Ian Grigg (http://financialcryptography.com/mt/archives/001593.html)
I'm now considering it a possibilty that "Satoshi Nakamoto" was indeed a team of individuals where
Craig Wright played a crucial part. (If that turns out true I will apologize profusely to Gwern!)

If so, then Wright's bizarre play of both presenting himself as Satoshi and at the same time
pulling out the rug under such claims might be a part of some elaborate cloak and daggers game.



Interesting.  He makes many assertions and those lead one to believe he knows intimate details about the creation of btc.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: JustDie on May 04, 2016, 12:32:27 PM
the result is probably yes ,

https://www.facebook.com/NowThisNews/videos/1054261164664007/

the video is clear from investigation  :o

lets wait the sign message


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: yefi on May 04, 2016, 04:54:11 PM

In light of the recent revelations by Ian Grigg (http://financialcryptography.com/mt/archives/001593.html)
I'm now considering it a possibilty that "Satoshi Nakamoto" was indeed a team of individuals where
Craig Wright played a crucial part. (If that turns out true I will apologize profusely to Gwern!)

If so, then Wright's bizarre play of both presenting himself as Satoshi and at the same time
pulling out the rug under such claims might be a part of some elaborate cloak and daggers game.

What direct knowledge does he have? He wasn't even part of the team he describes. And all this "I confirm" means nothing. Hey, I confirm that Newt Gingrich is Satoshi.

Let's see some actual proof. All these arguments from authority or appeals to emotion don't mean jack.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: monsanto on May 04, 2016, 09:06:24 PM

In light of the recent revelations by Ian Grigg (http://financialcryptography.com/mt/archives/001593.html)
I'm now considering it a possibilty that "Satoshi Nakamoto" was indeed a team of individuals where
Craig Wright played a crucial part. (If that turns out true I will apologize profusely to Gwern!)

If so, then Wright's bizarre play of both presenting himself as Satoshi and at the same time
pulling out the rug under such claims might be a part of some elaborate cloak and daggers game.



My thinking has gone in the other direction.  I was entertaining the idea that he might be Satoshi, in large part because gwern person seemed convinced.  I also didn't understand the $54 million tax rebate angle.  It seems Wright may have set up several shell companies, and had them do make believe business with each other, and then filed for some kind of special rebate with the Australian government worth millions.  Being Satoshi would allow him to muddy the waters and claim he has money to back up all these companies (and possibly attract further investment).  Pretty convoluted but IMO it is more likely at this point that he has no connection with Satoshi at all and is just a con artist (he really is an artist at it).


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: spendabit on May 04, 2016, 10:17:55 PM
Nope. This Wright guy is vain. Look at Satoshi's posts on this forum and there is no sign of that vanity.

That was before the project was a "success" though and there was oodles of work yet to be done. Search the posts and you will find the one that blurs the line.

To me he shows conflicting signs of pride, ownership, honesty, drive, vision and a believed right to privacy.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: mtnsaa on May 04, 2016, 10:43:28 PM

In light of the recent revelations by Ian Grigg (http://financialcryptography.com/mt/archives/001593.html)
I'm now considering it a possibilty that "Satoshi Nakamoto" was indeed a team of individuals where
Craig Wright played a crucial part. (If that turns out true I will apologize profusely to Gwern!)

If so, then Wright's bizarre play of both presenting himself as Satoshi and at the same time
pulling out the rug under such claims might be a part of some elaborate cloak and daggers game.

What direct knowledge does he have? He wasn't even part of the team he describes. And all this "I confirm" means nothing. Hey, I confirm that Newt Gingrich is Satoshi.

Let's see some actual proof. All these arguments from authority or appeals to emotion don't mean jack.

I would be very surprised if he's not Satoshi after all these very respectable sources (journalists, police investigations, etc) aimed at him being Bitcoin's creator. Not sure why he would claim such title after all these years unless the police and tax collectors are after him. It's very clear (to me at least) he's doing this because he is forced to come clean after a deal he made with the authorities.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Chris_Sabian on May 04, 2016, 10:57:10 PM
Not at all


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: btcjoin14 on May 04, 2016, 11:08:24 PM
Probably nope, Honestly i am not convinced


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: yefi on May 04, 2016, 11:22:55 PM
I would be very surprised if he's not Satoshi after all these very respectable sources (journalists, police investigations, etc) aimed at him being Bitcoin's creator. Not sure why he would claim such title after all these years unless the police and tax collectors are after him. It's very clear (to me at least) he's doing this because he is forced to come clean after a deal he made with the authorities.

If they are so eminently respectable, why did they use his software, his computer and his message to sign the blocks 1 and 9? Do you know that the authors of Electrum have said that no .asc was downloaded (https://twitter.com/ElectrumWallet/status/727366861592076288) from a British IP on the date Craig was meant to have proven his identity? But rest safe, because you have Rory Cellen-Jones from the Beeb to allay all doubt. And who could not trust in Gavin, who seems to think he knows Satoshi's personality, despite never meeting him in person and despite Satoshi never once revealing any personal detail about himself. Yes, rest safe indeed. 


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Boosterious on May 05, 2016, 06:52:11 AM
22 peoples answering the poll with "yes,no doubt" i think they dont read any news after BBC start post news about Craig is not satoshi nakamoto,anyway i'm not believe that Craig is founder of bitcoin and man behind bitcoin,he need more and extraordinary proof to claim that he was satoshi.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: BitcoinHodler on May 05, 2016, 07:25:06 AM
22 peoples answering the poll with "yes,no doubt" i think they dont read any news after BBC start post news about Craig is not satoshi nakamoto,anyway i'm not believe that Craig is founder of bitcoin and man behind bitcoin,he need more and extraordinary proof to claim that he was satoshi.

anybody who is saying no doubt is trolling whether they say yes or no.

the fact is, nothing is clear at the moment but the things we have seen so far point to some shady behind the curtains activity that has some other goal than what meats the eye.

i voted probably not because the facts against his claims are bigger, and i don't see any reason why he would announce himself as satoshi massively and publicly in 3 big news sites and doesn't provide proof the normal way and now he says i don't need to prove it because it is true!!!!


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: torontoluxuryhomes on May 05, 2016, 07:53:46 AM
No is not Satoshi Nakamoto.... why send a fake signature :) ?


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: mindrust on May 05, 2016, 08:05:38 AM
No, no doubt.

He is a liar. He wants to be famous and he made it. Yesterday i didn't know that name even existed and now his name is known world-wide. Good job everyone.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: coins101 on May 05, 2016, 08:33:24 AM
22 peoples answering the poll with "yes,no doubt" i think they dont read any news after BBC start post news about Craig is not satoshi nakamoto,anyway i'm not believe that Craig is founder of bitcoin and man behind bitcoin,he need more and extraordinary proof to claim that he was satoshi.

Yes, no doubt.

Get over it.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: poplolnman on May 05, 2016, 08:59:34 AM
let's say if he was Satoshi, what's next if he is really Satoshi? what would happened?
what's the point of Craig Wright claims? the real satoshi we all know would never reveal himself. if he want maybe he could do it since 2009 ago. i think this guy sick.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: coins101 on May 05, 2016, 09:45:55 AM
let's say if he was Satoshi, what's next if he is really Satoshi? what would happened?
what's the point of Craig Wright claims? the real satoshi we all know would never reveal himself. if he want maybe he could do it since 2009 ago. i think this guy sick.

Development priority would be influenced by his views.

That's the big issue at stake here.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: NeuroticFish on May 05, 2016, 09:50:01 AM
22 peoples answering the poll with "yes,no doubt" i think they dont read any news after BBC start post news about Craig is not satoshi nakamoto,anyway i'm not believe that Craig is founder of bitcoin and man behind bitcoin,he need more and extraordinary proof to claim that he was satoshi.

Yes, no doubt.

Get over it.

Since this poll was made last year, it is not relevant now.
Maybe OP should lock this thread and start another poll?


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: tyoA7X on May 05, 2016, 10:38:38 AM
NO! Satoshi Nakatomo is secret. He don't talk about himself


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: kaomaxx on May 05, 2016, 11:03:05 AM
its possible that Craig could be Satoshi Nakamoto.... provided his 2009 team come forward to confirm that he is the one and only


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: HarryKPeters on May 05, 2016, 11:52:22 AM
its possible that Craig could be Satoshi Nakamoto.... provided his 2009 team come forward to confirm that he is the one and only

Well if he is good for him. But for me it's more important where we are at with bitcoin. Some steps hae to be made to let the innovatoin and tech behind bitcoin flourish.
Giving people there freedom back with their own money is more important then the creator of bitcoin, at least to me. What's why the creator decided to stay anonymus for a very long period of time.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: bL4nkcode on May 05, 2016, 12:02:57 PM
Wiki says from (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Steven_Wright)
Quote
Bitcoin developer Jeff Garzik agreed that evidence provided by Wright does not prove anything, and security researcher Dan Kaminsky in his blog concluded Wright's claim was a scam. And  Jordan Pearson and Lorenzo Franceschi-Bicchierai said that "Wright simply reused an old signature from a bitcoin transaction performed in 2009 by Satoshi.
So I dont think that He is the real satoshi nakamoto, and I guess it doesn't matter at all. It matters now that bitcoin is now a part of some other lifes included me


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: TPTB_need_war on May 05, 2016, 12:08:21 PM
Wiki says  Bitcoin developer Jeff Garzik agreed that evidence provided by Wright does not prove anything, and security researcher Dan Kaminsky in his blog concluded Wright's claim was a scam. And  Jordan Pearson and Lorenzo Franceschi-Bicchierai said that "Wright simply reused an old signature from a bitcoin transaction performed in 2009 by Satoshi.

The Bitcoin maximalists are hiding an important detail from you:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1462057.msg14759902#msg14759902


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: glon on May 05, 2016, 12:38:43 PM
I don't believe this haha, also take a look at those names and too far by craig on satoshi. Craig is not Japanese but satoshi nakamoto is a true japanese.  This is just a total hoax. Craig wants attention only because he knows he can caught attention if he will do it.

Are you trolling or just stupid?


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Jasad on May 05, 2016, 04:54:46 PM
i dont too much care about who really satoshi is,and also Craig who claim he was satoshi nakamoto,i never care.
the only thing i care is bitcoin created by awesome people,someday i will wait until official news that satoshi has ben knowing,i just want to say thank you very much.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: fenican on May 05, 2016, 04:57:03 PM
22 peoples answering the poll with "yes,no doubt" i think they dont read any news after BBC start post news about Craig is not satoshi nakamoto,anyway i'm not believe that Craig is founder of bitcoin and man behind bitcoin,he need more and extraordinary proof to claim that he was satoshi.

Gavin and Craig probably voted 5 times each so that's 10. The other 12 were probably major media accounts.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Dalkore on May 05, 2016, 05:14:05 PM
Bait and switch. Decoy. He knows of him, though. It's like the Joker. He masks his minions and sends them out as the bait.

This is likely.  This may be a stunt to redirect and give Bitcoin a public face.   


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: chrisvl on May 05, 2016, 05:21:32 PM
22 peoples answering the poll with "yes,no doubt" i think they dont read any news after BBC start post news about Craig is not satoshi nakamoto,anyway i'm not believe that Craig is founder of bitcoin and man behind bitcoin,he need more and extraordinary proof to claim that he was satoshi.

Gavin and Craig probably voted 5 times each so that's 10. The other 12 were probably major media accounts.
i vote yes


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: jukka on May 05, 2016, 05:52:59 PM
i voted no, but what would craig vote  ;)


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: coins101 on May 05, 2016, 06:49:10 PM
I voted no, but so wanted it to be true. He was fun.

https://i.imgur.com/MEw2cIi.png


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: icet208 on May 05, 2016, 06:50:26 PM
No, no doubt!
Not even in his dreams.
Let`s get over this guy and wait for the next "real Satoshi" :D


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Crazygreek on May 05, 2016, 11:42:01 PM
Also voted for no, but if it's true, i don't know, it's just unexpectedly or what. I don't really care who is Satoshi Nakamoto, anyway he/she will not show face till it will be profitable.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: angaper on May 06, 2016, 12:10:35 AM
At least he has previously been one of the most probable candidates to be Satoshi. There are great chances to be true (at least several investigators say that, and I am not a professional investigator to know the truth.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: SparkedDev on May 06, 2016, 12:34:57 AM
At least he has previously been one of the most probable candidates to be Satoshi. There are great chances to be true (at least several investigators say that, and I am not a professional investigator to know the truth.

These are some good reads, that will help you understand why he isnt who he says he is.

https://www.nikcub.com/posts/craig-wright-is-not-satoshi-nakamoto/

and

https://github.com/patio11/wrightverification


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Searing on May 06, 2016, 05:34:27 AM
If Wright IS (still) Satoshi (give me a bit here)

And wanted to 'deflect' his 'outing'

You do this dog and pony show....wait a month...make Satoshi email announcement and say 'I am not Craig Wright'   We are all Satoshi!

And move 1 million coins out and back and go poof for good

2020 comes Craig Wright touches NO early wallets of Satoshi


Folk. By then would be utterly convinced and Satoshi pulls off the double fake😄

( I don't buy it either just saying) 😇


Heh.    Deflection     Score!


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: SparkedDev on May 07, 2016, 03:28:41 PM
Here you go:
https://www.wired.com/2016/05/craig-wright-ends-attempt-prove-created-bitcoin-im-sorry/

He basically ran so fake confirmed.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Blawpaw on May 07, 2016, 03:34:09 PM
I just don't understand what was his point in all this scheme... What was he trying to achieve??? Just a recognition has the designer of the most significant invention of the 21th century??? That remains a mystery as well.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: QuestionAuthority on May 07, 2016, 03:34:55 PM
He is not Satoshi because his broke ass would already have sold half his coin reserves before this experiment goes tits up. 


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: SparkedDev on May 07, 2016, 04:03:45 PM
I just don't understand what was his point in all this scheme... What was he trying to achieve??? Just a recognition has the designer of the most significant invention of the 21th century??? That remains a mystery as well.

I have a theory an its only a theory because wright was open about liking the idea of 20mb blocks gavin seen this as a way to get his agenda passed.
Its the only way i can see that he would be blind enough to believe it if he had something to gain from it if it was true.
Nothing like saying well Satoshi agrees with it so why not, that may have not been the case an maybe he wanted to be the first to say i helped confirm it.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: superplus on May 07, 2016, 05:10:22 PM
a poll about dave kleiman would be more interesting..


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Ulloa on May 07, 2016, 05:15:14 PM
I just don't understand what was his point in all this scheme... What was he trying to achieve??? Just a recognition has the designer of the most significant invention of the 21th century??? That remains a mystery as well.

It's about that and that alone. Perhaps he need that recognition or just looking for some media attention. Either way this story is taking too long.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: BrewMaster on May 07, 2016, 05:16:21 PM
haha, those who said yes no doubt should feel silly these days.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: BitcoinPaw on May 07, 2016, 06:21:47 PM
I think no, i belvie Satoshi is other person, proffesor in univercity can't really make a crypto currency without any hype around himself.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Betwrong on May 07, 2016, 06:43:47 PM
haha, those who said yes no doubt should feel silly these days.

Actually I just voted Probably yes. I looked through some previous interviews with him and the more I saw the more I was convinced it's him. I don't think today is the time to say it's definitely not him. And how to explain this btw:

http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/11C74/production/_89602827_1571f0ac-2b91-45f1-a074-51133c7f834f.jpg


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: SparkedDev on May 07, 2016, 06:56:49 PM
Yeah just because it wasn't at the start it is a thing now.
There is no excuse for not being able to do so, unless he lost the original wallet an or private keys.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: criptix on May 07, 2016, 09:02:08 PM
Cake white is satoshi.

100%.

I never liez.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: cjmoles on May 08, 2016, 03:46:21 AM
If Wright IS (still) Satoshi (give me a bit here)

And wanted to 'deflect' his 'outing'

You do this dog and pony show....wait a month...make Satoshi email announcement and say 'I am not Craig Wright'   We are all Satoshi!

And move 1 million coins out and back and go poof for good

2020 comes Craig Wright touches NO early wallets of Satoshi


Folk. By then would be utterly convinced and Satoshi pulls off the double fake😄

( I don't buy it either just saying) 😇


Heh.    Deflection     Score!


I voted "probably nope" because none of it made sense strategically.

How about this:

It would have been the perfect opportunity for the real Satoshi to move all his coins with a message saying, "I, Craig Wright, am Satoshi Nakamoto."  This would have allowed him to get away with his stake in the project while remaining perfectly anonymous.  

Maybe Craig Wright ran a game theory analysis and gambled that that would be an optimal maneuver for Satoshi.  Satoshi would get his preferred outcome, anonymity, while Wright would get his preferred outcome, notoriety. One step ahead of the game?


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Searing on September 27, 2017, 08:30:08 AM
My nightmare is he says he has access to a trust with some ungodly billions of $$$ of bitcoin that he can access
Jan 1st 2020....

As badly as he has been treated...(correctly I may add .Satoshi or not he is an ass) ....by the bitcoin community and
the worldwide press

he could laugh and sell and flush the whole works down to 400 buck btc just for giggles and still come away with millions

not saying it is true...only 1 out of  1,000 chance he is Satoshi...but my version of a crypto nightmare indeed on that date...

(brahahahaha scared you!)

Also, hal finney and the other guy he claims were in his group...all passed away..my view is he was not really the inventor
just part of the group if it was true....and as last man standing...if what he says is true...we are beyond screwed...

and not to point it out too much ...if/and/or/but he still is and always will be imho, the biggest ass hat in crypto

(bruahahaha scared self!)



Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: yefi on September 28, 2017, 05:00:24 PM
The procedure for proving private key ownership involves a simple standard task. Someone sends you a message, you sign it with your private key, return the signed message to the sender who is then able to verify your private key signature with your corresponding public key.

Craig Wright has avoided this self-evident, simple procedure at every request.

Ha hah! What else can prove better this guy really is a scam artist?


Good job on the necro, dude...


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: InvoKing on September 28, 2017, 05:43:01 PM
My nightmare is he says he has access to a trust with some ungodly billions of $$$ of bitcoin that he can access
Jan 1st 2020....

As badly as he has been treated...(correctly I may add .Satoshi or not he is an ass) ....by the bitcoin community and
the worldwide press

he could laugh and sell and flush the whole works down to 400 buck btc just for giggles and still come away with millions

not saying it is true...only 1 out of  1,000 chance he is Satoshi...but my version of a crypto nightmare indeed on that date...

(brahahahaha scared you!)

Also, hal finney and the other guy he claims were in his group...all passed away..my view is he was not really the inventor
just part of the group if it was true....and as last man standing...if what he says is true...we are beyond screwed...

and not to point it out too much ...if/and/or/but he still is and always will be imho, the biggest ass hat in crypto

(bruahahaha scared self!)

LoL searing, you didn't pay attention to the necro dude
Edit : reporting milagm for necro posting ~1 year and 1/2


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: milagm on September 28, 2017, 06:50:39 PM
Edit : reporting milagm for necro posting ~1 year and 1/2

ROFLMAO you just revealed what side you're playin in this game.

Btw. This topic is NOT CLOSED, LOCKED or NEWLY OPENED TOPIC so people are free to comment. I think this is a purpose of the whole message forum systems.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: milagm on September 29, 2017, 08:08:58 AM
Hey moderators!

So I cannot write about my opinions here ?
Look at the subject of this thread -> my post definitely was not off-topic !
I just wanted to say my opinion in this matter. I apologize the last line that was not a good behaviour from me so it can be deleted.

Here is the message without it:

--- My opinion in this matter is as follows:

The procedure for proving private key ownership involves a simple standard task. Someone sends you a message, you sign it with your private key, return the signed message to the sender who is then able to verify your private key signature with your corresponding public key.

Craig Wright has avoided this self-evident, simple procedure at every request.

What could be the reason for this ?


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Searing on September 29, 2017, 08:16:56 AM
Hey moderators!

So I cannot write about my opinions here ?
Look at the subject of this thread -> my post definitely was not off-topic !
I just wanted to say my opinion in this matter. I apologize the last line that was not a good behaviour from me so it can be deleted.

Here is the message without it:

--- My opinion in this matter is as follows:

The procedure for proving private key ownership involves a simple standard task. Someone sends you a message, you sign it with your private key, return the signed message to the sender who is then able to verify your private key signature with your corresponding public key.

Craig Wright has avoided this self-evident, simple procedure at every request.

What could be the reason for this ?

Again, I don't believe craig wright is Satoshi, but I was in previous posts playing the scare game.

so to continue the scare game

IF he is Satoshi the main reason he would NOT prove he is such conclusively is that Craig Wright owes the Australian Goverment Millions in back
taxes for a supposed tax break he got back before KNC miners, for a data farm in Europe and equipment he never bought. (I believe he thought
he bought gold instead, but the guy disappeared with that money)

Thus, IF he was to prove he was Satoshi, the Australian Gov't would want to be paid promptly and directly or he would go to jail.

Now he can muddy the waters with the Austalian Gov't, get duboius investors in his patent everything bitcoin and crypto related and stall
till Jan 1st 2010 as he has stated when he has access to all of the trust funds from him, hal finey and the other guy...both who passed away.

See ..went and scared myself again I did.....shudder



Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: milagm on September 29, 2017, 08:33:03 AM
...
Thus, IF he was to prove he was Satoshi, the Australian Gov't would want to be paid promptly and directly or he would go to jail.

Do you know was this "Gov't thing" around and known before or after he came out in BBC interviews and elsewhere he tried to prove something by his cooked programming scripts ?

If it was after then it really is possible he just made a mistake to come public with his claims and vanished. In this case what you're saying can be viewed in a new and different light I think...

But but... why he did any scripts while he could just do that signature thing ? -> 100% proof, no questions asked. 100% accepted by the community.

Think about it:
You are a Satoshi and after years you just decide "no I am not gonna take this quessing game anymore. I come out". Should you allready know that what you're going to offer must be a real proof. What is the most easiest way to do it? Well it is that signature thing what I told you earlier.

I am sorry but this just smells way too much for me :D


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Searing on September 29, 2017, 09:28:50 AM
...
Thus, IF he was to prove he was Satoshi, the Australian Gov't would want to be paid promptly and directly or he would go to jail.

Do you know was this "Gov't thing" around and known before or after he came out in BBC interviews and elsewhere he tried to prove something by his cooked programming scripts ?

If it was after then it really is possible he just made a mistake to come public with his claims and vanished. In this case what you're saying can be viewed in a new and different light I think...

But but... why he did any scripts while he could just do that signature thing ? -> 100% proof, no questions asked. 100% accepted by the community.

Think about it:
You are a Satoshi and after years you just decide "no I am not gonna take this quessing game anymore. I come out". Should you allready know that what you're going to offer must be a real proof. What is the most easiest way to do it? Well it is that signature thing what I told you earlier.

I am sorry but this just smells way too much for me :D


I agree..it smells...I"m just playing the 'scare the hell out of me game' in that if he is Satoshi and such and gets a hold of the group trust he was part of with
Hal Finney and the other guy as the true makers of bitcoin (both have passed) ...then crap.....he seems the vindictive sort

and no he was outed by the Australian gov't I believe snooping (*he hinted he was Satoshi to friends) thus they were all over his ass

Craig Wright did not come out voluntarily he was pushed out..either to confirm his scam and lies he got himself into or that he was part of the satoshi group

as he claims

just saying, he did not do this ORIGINALLY for fame, but now he may be just an imposter riding the wave....

but again, only 1 out of 1,000 chance he was part of the supposed satoshi group as he claims

still ...the last guy in the world you'd want with all that bitcoin/power and money if he has access to the private keys

damn, went and scared myself again (off to change shorts)



Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: SkyscraperFarms on September 29, 2017, 02:09:54 PM
Mike Hearn is Satoshi Nakamoto. As much as most of the people here don't want to believe it, he actually fits the profile better than anyone else considered to this date.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2146520.msg21475727#msg21475727


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: BillyBobZorton on September 29, 2017, 02:18:11 PM
Mike Hearn is Satoshi Nakamoto. As much as most of the people here don't want to believe it, he actually fits the profile better than anyone else considered to this date.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2146520.msg21475727#msg21475727

Yeah, im sure Satoshi wanted to be the benevolent dictator of Bitcoin:

https://coinjournal.net/gavin-andresen-mike-hearn-will-be-the-benevolent-dictator-of-bitcoinxt/

Im sure Satoshi wanted to have anti-privacy features on Bitcoin:

https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-xt-fork-can-blacklist-tor-exits-may-reveal-users-ip-addresses

And im sure Satoshi wanted to hardfork Bitcoin when he said repeatedly and clearly how he didn't want his software forked:


I don't believe a second, compatible implementation of Bitcoin will ever be a good idea.  So much of the design depends on all nodes getting exactly identical results in lockstep that a second implementation would be a menace to the network.  The MIT license is compatible with all other licenses and commercial uses, so there is no need to rewrite it from a licensing standpoint.

I know, most developers don't like their software forked, but I have real technical reasons in this case.

Please stop pretending any of these people is Satoshi.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: ebliever on October 05, 2017, 08:51:51 PM
I see Craig Wright is still being considered by some people as a candidate for Satoshi. Here are some links I've gathered on this subject:

http://gizmodo.com/the-strange-life-and-death-of-dave-kleiman-a-computer-1747092460
https://fusion.kinja.com/why-craig-wright-so-desperately-wanted-to-be-bitcoin-cr-1793857666
https://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n13/andrew-ohagan/the-satoshi-affair
https://medium.com/@hoaxchain/the-hard-evidence-about-craig-wrights-backdated-pgp-key-step-by-step-guide-for-windows-users-bd99c47c495f
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6y1e5t/craig_s_wright_is_not_satoshi_nakamoto_and_why/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6lnzs0/and_all_of_a_sudden_csws_mom_is_the_real_hero_of/

I've mixed it up a bit with CSW myself on Reddit, and it's clear that he is a disturbed man with an obsessive need to exaggerate himself to others. He really needs an intervention, or at any rate a reality check. Something like a prison term (for tax evasion etc.) might be the best thing that could happen to him.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: lionheart78 on October 05, 2017, 08:57:57 PM
I see Craig Wright is still being considered by some people as a candidate for Satoshi. Here are some links I've gathered on this subject:

http://gizmodo.com/the-strange-life-and-death-of-dave-kleiman-a-computer-1747092460
https://fusion.kinja.com/why-craig-wright-so-desperately-wanted-to-be-bitcoin-cr-1793857666
https://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n13/andrew-ohagan/the-satoshi-affair
https://medium.com/@hoaxchain/the-hard-evidence-about-craig-wrights-backdated-pgp-key-step-by-step-guide-for-windows-users-bd99c47c495f
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6y1e5t/craig_s_wright_is_not_satoshi_nakamoto_and_why/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6lnzs0/and_all_of_a_sudden_csws_mom_is_the_real_hero_of/

I've mixed it up a bit with CSW myself on Reddit, and it's clear that he is a disturbed man with an obsessive need to exaggerate himself to others. He really needs an intervention, or at any rate a reality check. Something like a prison term (for tax evasion etc.) might be the best thing that could happen to him.


I thought this issue had died down.  It was already proven that Craig Wright is not what He thinks he is, Satoshi Nakamoto.  And I agree,this guy needs special attention.  I am quite disturbed why people like him love to claim to be someone while it is crystal clear that he is not the one and just the other ordinary guy.



Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: milagm on October 06, 2017, 08:41:07 AM
I thought this issue had died down.  It was already proven that Craig Wright is not what He thinks he is, Satoshi Nakamoto.  And I agree,this guy needs special attention.  I am quite disturbed why people like him love to claim to be someone while it is crystal clear that he is not the one and just the other ordinary guy.

I thought so too, but hes still messing here and there:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1_gxvx_QGo

Nothing wrong if someone does his/her business but this guy totally messed up his career and credibility.

Im ready for give him but first he must come out and ask for it. We all make mistakes but if we do not learn from them then we are doomed.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: BitBanshee$$ on October 08, 2017, 05:09:50 PM
In my opinion most likely not. The evidence just isn't there.


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Searing on October 08, 2017, 07:25:34 PM
In my opinion most likely not. The evidence just isn't there.


I also agree. Odds are long. But then again Donald Trump is President of the USA. So hell
anything is possible. 🙈


Title: Re: POLL Is Craig Wright Satoshi Nakamoto?
Post by: Reez on October 08, 2017, 07:41:46 PM
The fact that people actually get sucked into this drama is telling of who they are. Craig Wright is just another scammer claiming attention but using his method. There are countless more with their own methods of scamming.