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Title: Does the US gov owns Bitcoin?
Post by: Jaw3bmasters on December 04, 2012, 11:43:28 AM
1. Bitcoin use SHA.

2. The US gov owns SHA algorithm.





Title: Re: Does the US gov owns Bitcoin?
Post by: fronti on December 04, 2012, 11:54:02 AM
what if the US Gov (or any other) have found a weakness in SHA?
 


Title: Re: Does the US gov owns Bitcoin?
Post by: Jaw3bmasters on December 04, 2012, 11:57:23 AM
what if the US Gov (or any other) have found a weakness in SHA?
 

According to Wiki, there's SHA-3.....just in-case I suppose.



Title: Re: Does the US gov owns Bitcoin?
Post by: dree12 on December 04, 2012, 01:01:21 PM
1. Bitcoin use SHA.

2. The US gov owns SHA algorithm.
US Gov't property released to the public is always in the public domain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_status_of_work_by_the_U.S._government). Incorporating something in the public domain does not transfer copyright.


Title: Re: Does the US gov owns Bitcoin?
Post by: Jaw3bmasters on December 04, 2012, 01:13:42 PM
1. Bitcoin use SHA.

2. The US gov owns SHA algorithm.
US Gov't property released to the public is always in the public domain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_status_of_work_by_the_U.S._government). Incorporating something in the public domain does not transfer copyright.

Ok, so what's with US gov cryptography export regulations?


Title: Re: Does the US gov owns Bitcoin?
Post by: FreeMoney on December 04, 2012, 08:05:34 PM
Do they own addition too?

Who cares.

Maybe they will kill you, but it won't actually be because you are a witch no matter what they say.


Title: Re: Does the US gov owns Bitcoin?
Post by: MoonShadow on December 04, 2012, 08:09:47 PM
1. Bitcoin use SHA.

2. The US gov owns SHA algorithm.
US Gov't property released to the public is always in the public domain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_status_of_work_by_the_U.S._government). Incorporating something in the public domain does not transfer copyright.

Ok, so what's with US gov cryptography export regulations?

They consider strong encryption to be 'ammunition' under export law.  Rediculous, really, but it has zero effect upon bitcoin, because bitcoin doesn't actually encrypt transactions or any other broadcast data object.  The network is, generally, broadcast in the clear.  Secure hashing algos are not encryption algos.


Title: Re: Does the US gov owns Bitcoin?
Post by: FreeMoney on December 04, 2012, 08:17:07 PM
1. Bitcoin use SHA.

2. The US gov owns SHA algorithm.
US Gov't property released to the public is always in the public domain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_status_of_work_by_the_U.S._government). Incorporating something in the public domain does not transfer copyright.

Ok, so what's with US gov cryptography export regulations?

Do you suppose that generally export regulations only apply to government property?


Title: Re: Does the US gov owns Bitcoin?
Post by: TraderTimm on December 04, 2012, 08:22:03 PM
1. US Government owns printed money

2. You own US printed money

3. The US Government owns you

Puts bitcoin into perspective, doesn't it.


Title: Re: Does the US gov owns Bitcoin?
Post by: kgo on December 04, 2012, 08:58:56 PM
Phil Zimmermann, authoer of PGP, created an interesting precedent on ammunition regulations:

"""
Zimmermann challenged these regulations in a curious way. He published the entire source code of PGP in a hardback book,[13] via MIT Press, which was distributed and sold widely. Anybody wishing to build their own copy of PGP could buy the $60 book, cut off the covers, separate the pages, and scan them using an OCR program, creating a set of source code text files. One could then build the application using the freely available GNU Compiler Collection. PGP would thus be available anywhere in the world. The claimed principle was simple: export of munitions—guns, bombs, planes, and software—was (and remains) restricted; but the export of books is protected by the First Amendment. The question was never tested in court with respect to PGP. In cases addressing other encryption software, however, two federal appeals courts have established the rule that cryptographic software source code is speech protected by the First Amendment (the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in the Bernstein case and the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals in the Junger case).
"""

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Good_Privacy#Criminal_investigation


Title: Re: Does the US gov owns Bitcoin?
Post by: Jaw3bmasters on December 04, 2012, 10:12:25 PM
Phil Zimmermann, authoer of PGP, created an interesting precedent on ammunition regulations:

"""
Zimmermann challenged these regulations in a curious way. He published the entire source code of PGP in a hardback book,[13] via MIT Press, which was distributed and sold widely. Anybody wishing to build their own copy of PGP could buy the $60 book, cut off the covers, separate the pages, and scan them using an OCR program, creating a set of source code text files. One could then build the application using the freely available GNU Compiler Collection. PGP would thus be available anywhere in the world. The claimed principle was simple: export of munitions—guns, bombs, planes, and software—was (and remains) restricted; but the export of books is protected by the First Amendment. The question was never tested in court with respect to PGP. In cases addressing other encryption software, however, two federal appeals courts have established the rule that cryptographic software source code is speech protected by the First Amendment (the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in the Bernstein case and the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals in the Junger case).
"""

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Good_Privacy#Criminal_investigation

Thank you.


Title: Re: Does the US gov owns Bitcoin?
Post by: mentalove on December 04, 2012, 10:27:38 PM
1. US Government owns printed money

2. You own US printed money

3. The US Government owns you

Puts bitcoin into perspective, doesn't it.

ownership does't really matter. the individual has the choice to work and spend effort and energy to acquire said "money". you can print money, but you cant print wealth/value.
unless you are an all out slave, your labor is yours alone.


Title: Re: Does the US gov owns Bitcoin?
Post by: farlack on December 04, 2012, 10:31:52 PM
Doesn't really matter if they legally do or don't, here in America, the USA government can own me, you, us, your house, my house, my sperm, and yours too if they want it. Not like we can stop them.