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Title: Video game gambling
Post by: Temo58 on December 16, 2015, 08:10:01 PM
Hey bitcointalk!.

is there any video game with gamble ? ex: dota , LoL ?? you playing and if you win you get x2 or x1.9 of bet.  ???

do not looking for bookmaker or team-bet sites.


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: Zeke2345 on December 16, 2015, 08:16:49 PM
If you want to burn money then you are barking up the right tree. You will not find it because its to easy to fix. For example I let you win 5 games and then ask you to make the game more interesting and you take me up on a 1btc per game challenge for a set 10 games using a escrow till we finish. Either party that does not finish loses bet. I would just need to slow down the connection speed and boom walk to cash.
Its the same reason gambling on chess never took off,you could be playing a skript bot or disconnect issues.
Look at the current match fixing in Dota leagues.


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: Temo58 on December 16, 2015, 08:25:38 PM
If you want to burn money then you are barking up the right tree. You will not find it because its to easy to fix. For example I let you win 5 games and then ask you to make the game more interesting and you take me up on a 1btc per game challenge for a set 10 games using a escrow till we finish. Either party that does not finish loses bet. I would just need to slow down the connection speed and boom walk to cash.
Its the same reason gambling on chess never took off,you could be playing a skript bot or disconnect issues.
Look at the current match fixing in Dota leagues.

but this is impossible. Servers of these games are not simple. you can simply set up a personal API for gambling. Believe me, no one will be able to increase the ping servers these games.


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: bitcoin revo on December 16, 2015, 08:29:43 PM
The reason why this will not work is because most video games are hackable, and thus most people participating in such a thing will be using hacks against people playing normally in order to rake in the cash.

I've seen the development of some operations like that but that was mostly the reason why it didn't work out.


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: Temo58 on December 16, 2015, 08:43:45 PM
The reason why this will not work is because most video games are hackable, and thus most people participating in such a thing will be using hacks against people playing normally in order to rake in the cash.

I've seen the development of some operations like that but that was mostly the reason why it didn't work out.

Cheat for Dota does not exist! they have maximum protection. You can check. if that you will find in the internet tell me :)))


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: Patatas on December 16, 2015, 10:16:02 PM
If you want to burn money then you are barking up the right tree. You will not find it because its to easy to fix. For example I let you win 5 games and then ask you to make the game more interesting and you take me up on a 1btc per game challenge for a set 10 games using a escrow till we finish. Either party that does not finish loses bet. I would just need to slow down the connection speed and boom walk to cash.
Its the same reason gambling on chess never took off,you could be playing a skript bot or disconnect issues.
Look at the current match fixing in Dota leagues.

but this is impossible. Servers of these games are not simple. you can simply set up a personal API for gambling. Believe me, no one will be able to increase the ping servers these games.


Dude check for ragnarock and other virtual games like DOTA .Even though the servers are not simple but still they have been by passed successfully by so many bots and other stuff.For example : I have seen people selling boosts for resources on for Dota and in UNLIMITED amounts .So yeah there is a much possibility of match fixing.


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: Hugroll on December 16, 2015, 10:20:53 PM
Hey bitcointalk!.

is there any video game with gamble ? ex: dota , LoL ?? you playing and if you win you get x2 or x1.9 of bet.  ???

do not looking for bookmaker or team-bet sites.
ive heard bookie.gg supports csgo betting, but i dont personally play csgo so i havent tried it. lemme know how it turns out if you decide to use it.


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: frank0929 on December 16, 2015, 10:36:09 PM
I think there is no place for it because it's too easy to manipulate the system. But if we have tournaments with BTC prizes that would be really good. I think there is a thread in Project Development section for that matter but they didn't finish it yet. It might be abandoned.


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: Sir_lagsalot on December 16, 2015, 10:49:12 PM
Although there are no in-game gambling aspects in most games besides uncrating/uncasing, there are many third party gambling sites which are trustable. Here are some of them:

Team Fortress 2: Sweetstakes.tf, Saloon.tf, Backpack.tf/lotto

CS:GO: CSGOjackpot, CSGOdices, CSGOrage, CSGOfresh, CSGOlounge.

Those are just some of the top of my head.


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: bitcoin revo on December 16, 2015, 11:20:22 PM
The reason why this will not work is because most video games are hackable, and thus most people participating in such a thing will be using hacks against people playing normally in order to rake in the cash.

I've seen the development of some operations like that but that was mostly the reason why it didn't work out.

Cheat for Dota does not exist! they have maximum protection. You can check. if that you will find in the internet tell me :)))

I very much doubt it, but since I've never played Dota, I won't comment; but this quote seems to point otherwise:

Dude check for ragnarock and other virtual games like DOTA .Even though the servers are not simple but still they have been by passed successfully by so many bots and other stuff.For example : I have seen people selling boosts for resources on for Dota and in UNLIMITED amounts .So yeah there is a much possibility of match fixing.

But what I will say is that even if Dota is supposedly "unhackable", there are plenty of other games that are - games that others may want to "bet" on. One example is CS:GO.


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: Rubberduckie on December 16, 2015, 11:32:50 PM
dont tell me that some fat mouth breather living in his moms
basement cant be bought to throw a "dota" match lol. I mean
if someone can pay off a NBA ref to fix games then you can
certainly find someone to fix a league of legends match....

NO thankyou on betting on that lol


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: patt0 on December 16, 2015, 11:36:24 PM
Never saw any "service" like that. You can bet, but I never saw a site that would allow you to set a game vs someone and let you collect a prize if you one. That would be cool.


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: BitMaxz on December 16, 2015, 11:45:17 PM
I am searching this site that you can win with your skills play but i think the problem is the network ping.
If you find this site tell. League of legends is my one game that i want to gamble..


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: Yakamoto on December 17, 2015, 12:31:05 AM
I am searching this site that you can win with your skills play but i think the problem is the network ping.
If you find this site tell. League of legends is my one game that i want to gamble..
There really isn't any way to do things like this, really. Regardless is you have good internet or not.

Unless you have 5v5 or 3v3 teams willing to play against each other, and everyone escrows xBTC to a separate account, with very specific rules as to there being no disconnects allowed and the opposing team will win the bet regardless of technical issues, you can't set up good bets.


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: Duomo on December 17, 2015, 12:38:15 AM
It would really depend more on who would escrow the funds, what the conditions are, and if they legitimately people want to go through with this. I don't know if there a site particularly to this issue but you could set something up if you wanted but it would be a little bit of an effort.


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: Deathwing on December 17, 2015, 01:46:28 AM
Never saw any "service" like that. You can bet, but I never saw a site that would allow you to set a game vs someone and let you collect a prize if you one. That would be cool.

If I get this correctly, you are saying that "1vs1 - the winner gets everything". There is a system like this if i am not wrong; Check out Leet.GG (https://www.leet.gg/)


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: adaseb on December 17, 2015, 02:07:50 AM
I am pretty sure there isn't and even if there was it would have to be PvP where the casino gets a percetage.

Also a big problem with these multiplayer video games is that its very easy to alter the map and hack. Wall hack? Aim hack? etc.


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: Temo58 on December 17, 2015, 07:09:08 AM
allready found dota2 gamble site. but with no bitcoins.


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: ultimatesky on December 17, 2015, 08:50:48 AM
There are cheats for every game nowadays. Just the other day I was play LoL and my whole team was having lag and connectivity issues. My friends who were also playing as well, they said they could play without any problems. Some people are just so desperate to win, let alone when people place bets for playing these games.


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: Nameless Coin on December 17, 2015, 09:18:14 AM
I thing they are some video games that you can gamble, like CS:GO there is someone in the forum > gambling that he updates.
You can check there maybe you will win somthing.


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: darkangel11 on December 17, 2015, 03:57:18 PM
The reason why this will not work is because most video games are hackable, and thus most people participating in such a thing will be using hacks against people playing normally in order to rake in the cash.

I've seen the development of some operations like that but that was mostly the reason why it didn't work out.
You can bet money on pro league games. These are not hackable as both teams/players are sitting in the studio and using computers provided by the organizers.


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: thejaytiesto on December 17, 2015, 04:08:42 PM
There is a thread of a guy making CS:GO bets, im not sure about a site that will let you directly put places, im sure there are. As far as a videogame where you directly bet as a part of the game, this is pretty nice and addictive game right there that I have been playing lately:

www.battlecoin.org

You bet BTC against up to 4 players in a game of bomberman, definitely worth trying out. They give you 100 free sats which is nice.


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: jpouza on December 17, 2015, 04:12:59 PM
The reason why this will not work is because most video games are hackable, and thus most people participating in such a thing will be using hacks against people playing normally in order to rake in the cash.

I've seen the development of some operations like that but that was mostly the reason why it didn't work out.
You can bet money on pro league games. These are not hackable as both teams/players are sitting in the studio and using computers provided by the organizers.

I think this is the most effective way to gamble with videogames or you can make a LAN party at your home with friends and play some games for BTC.


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: tolikkk on December 17, 2015, 04:21:14 PM
there are examples of making fine sat in the game, gambling in MMORPG? can gain popularity and consistency as that held in championships and resolution rates, though? but the idea is interesting and excitement and passion in her very trace


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: thejaytiesto on December 21, 2015, 03:39:49 PM
there are examples of making fine sat in the game, gambling in MMORPG? can gain popularity and consistency as that held in championships and resolution rates, though? but the idea is interesting and excitement and passion in her very trace

Im not sure if you are asking if there are MMPORG games based on Bitcoin.. I think I heard some project in the past, one of the guys here was involved (rpietila). Not sure if the project ever came to something, I never saw screenshots in the thread. I would love a game like Final Fantasy or The Elder Scrolls online and with an economy that runs on Bitcoin so you don't feel like you are wasting your time playing.


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: jpouza on December 25, 2015, 10:55:27 PM
there are examples of making fine sat in the game, gambling in MMORPG? can gain popularity and consistency as that held in championships and resolution rates, though? but the idea is interesting and excitement and passion in her very trace

Im not sure if you are asking if there are MMPORG games based on Bitcoin.. I think I heard some project in the past, one of the guys here was involved (rpietila). Not sure if the project ever came to something, I never saw screenshots in the thread. I would love a game like Final Fantasy or The Elder Scrolls online and with an economy that runs on Bitcoin so you don't feel like you are wasting your time playing.

There were many altcoins which purpose was to be used in games, I do not remember their names, all dead, what a pitty.  :'(
I think one of them wa LoL (League of Legend coin), the project just died....


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: mixan on December 25, 2015, 10:58:22 PM
This the most fair of all the things you can bet on in my opinion. There is no manipulation in these games as any team can win and it's outcome is based on skill and not luck. There is no house edge due to there being only teams involved and not computerized bots that would normally represent the house.


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: BTCevo on December 26, 2015, 04:59:20 AM
This the most fair of all the things you can bet on in my opinion. There is no manipulation in these games as any team can win and it's outcome is based on skill and not luck. There is no house edge due to there being only teams involved and not computerized bots that would normally represent the house.

Yes I am sure that this game is really based on skill but you need some luck too though like you hope that you want to meet some newbie so you can win it easily, this is called luck. But are they having this kind of games in casino? I dont think so because this kind of game will never be profitable to them


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: Farma on December 26, 2015, 05:24:54 AM
this time I do not know if there is a game like that.
I think you can make money from games just from the tournament or selling accessories are rare in MMORPG games or games like that, or you can find it on STEAM


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: morantis on December 26, 2015, 05:28:15 AM
Hey bitcointalk!.

is there any video game with gamble ? ex: dota , LoL ?? you playing and if you win you get x2 or x1.9 of bet.  ???

do not looking for bookmaker or team-bet sites.

This is a little off-topic, but the way your question struck me reminded of an old Nintendo game(showing my age).  It was Dungeon something....and there was a "bar" in the game that had a backdoor where you bet on fights between these little slime guys.  I had more fun betting on the fights behind that bar than I ever had playing the full game.


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: mixan on December 26, 2015, 05:49:47 AM
This the most fair of all the things you can bet on in my opinion. There is no manipulation in these games as any team can win and it's outcome is based on skill and not luck. There is no house edge due to there being only teams involved and not computerized bots that would normally represent the house.

Yes I am sure that this game is really based on skill but you need some luck too though like you hope that you want to meet some newbie so you can win it easily, this is called luck. But are they having this kind of games in casino? I dont think so because this kind of game will never be profitable to them
Most who play these games train day in and day out. That is pure skill and not luck. It would be a honed skilled player playing against another skilled player that has trained to play these games. This is an industry an millions at stake for most of those tournaments.
No, the casinos will not have these kind of games because they don't have any control of the outcome of these type of games, so they are not going to risk their profits.


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: edmundduke on December 26, 2015, 09:33:18 AM
Although there are no in-game gambling aspects in most games besides uncrating/uncasing, there are many third party gambling sites which are trustable. Here are some of them:

Team Fortress 2: Sweetstakes.tf, Saloon.tf, Backpack.tf/lotto

CS:GO: CSGOjackpot, CSGOdices, CSGOrage, CSGOfresh, CSGOlounge.

Those are just some of the top of my head.

I had no idea something like this existed lol! Thank you for pointing these out, ill give the dice a shot i think.
As for the OP's question, i do not think its possible to have something as you described without having the wager be between 2 teams or by people watching.


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: vendetahome on March 15, 2016, 08:59:19 PM
Hey bitcointalk!.

is there any video game with gamble ? ex: dota , LoL ?? you playing and if you win you get x2 or x1.9 of bet.  ???

do not looking for bookmaker or team-bet sites.

it is named e-sports and not video games and i don't think that would be good idea

because it is easy to fake loses, so your friends can bet on other teams win and share money, because when team loses it's usually "they're tierd" and so on, so it is very very easy to fake it


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: Kotone on March 15, 2016, 09:06:59 PM
I found betting site that have league of legends.
The sites name is flutterclub, but the team is only korean championship, try to visit it.


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: BitMaxz on March 15, 2016, 10:07:38 PM
As of now no one held this idea and i think no can't start this business because ping is the problem maybe in the future someone can create like this idea. I really want this idea to i am looking for this but i never see this kind of gambling..


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: actmyname on March 15, 2016, 10:48:43 PM
This the most fair of all the things you can bet on in my opinion. There is no manipulation in these games as any team can win and it's outcome is based on skill and not luck. There is no house edge due to there being only teams involved and not computerized bots that would normally represent the house.

Yes I am sure that this game is really based on skill but you need some luck too though like you hope that you want to meet some newbie so you can win it easily, this is called luck. But are they having this kind of games in casino? I dont think so because this kind of game will never be profitable to them
The problem with a skill-based game is that you'll see a lot of high-tier pros, who have been playing for a long time. The only people who are able to have a chance against them would be other pros or hackers. Take for example CS:GO - there are plenty of people using aimbot or wallhack to cheat in even competitive, where there's no profit in it. The thing is, a gambling program with this kind of thing wouldn't be able to be regulated unless someone is moderating the game during the event, and if it becomes large enough, you won't really be able to deal with the amount of players.


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: Superhitech on March 16, 2016, 03:22:16 AM
There actually is one PvP game: http://chopcoin.io/

However, it doesn't seem to have very many players on, so you might have to wait a while for a match.


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: Tstar on March 16, 2016, 03:40:22 AM
Nitrogen, DIrectbet and some others game esports.

For me CS:Go games are most fixed.


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: ramesh770 on March 16, 2016, 06:27:33 AM
i am also searching if anyone knows about this can give me the links , like mario, dave.


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: lite on March 16, 2016, 08:22:51 AM
i am also searching if anyone knows about this can give me the links , like mario, dave.
You can play bomberman like game on http://battlecoin.org/ (you can bet with bitcoins).  i've read about that site on vice.


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: Bitcoinbro on March 16, 2016, 08:23:52 AM
Hey bitcointalk!.

is there any video game with gamble ? ex: dota , LoL ?? you playing and if you win you get x2 or x1.9 of bet.  ???

do not looking for bookmaker or team-bet sites.

it is named e-sports and not video games and i don't think that would be good idea

because it is easy to fake loses, so your friends can bet on other teams win and share money, because when team loses it's usually "they're tierd" and so on, so it is very very easy to fake it
It will be nice. And that is also very god because you have not the control for who is going to win so that is quite fun.
And you can also like the game so that is also a good advertise for the game self I think.


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: adaseb on March 16, 2016, 09:02:39 AM
Yes correct. I believe there were a few games like this in the past that a few dev tried to bring up but they quickly got shut down because it was very easy to cheat on them.


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: Farma on March 16, 2016, 09:19:08 AM
Yes correct. I believe there were a few games like this in the past that a few dev tried to bring up but they quickly got shut down because it was very easy to cheat on them.
you're right, there is rarely a game that can make money, because most games are very easy to hack and cheat, make the people who run into loss


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: teilwalL05 on March 16, 2016, 09:53:24 AM
Hey bitcointalk!.

is there any video game with gamble ? ex: dota , LoL ?? you playing and if you win you get x2 or x1.9 of bet.  ???

do not looking for bookmaker or team-bet sites.

I think there are no game base on what game you are talking about, but there is certain games that you can earn bitcoin for example wheel of bitcoin, FlapPig, Bitcoin Billionaire, Bitcoin Fighter, GetGems, and other games that you can choose from just search the web.


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: alisafidel58 on March 16, 2016, 10:13:37 AM
Hey bitcointalk!.

is there any video game with gamble ? ex: dota , LoL ?? you playing and if you win you get x2 or x1.9 of bet.  ???

do not looking for bookmaker or team-bet sites.

I think there are no game base on what game you are talking about, but there is certain games that you can earn bitcoin for example wheel of bitcoin, FlapPig, Bitcoin Billionaire, Bitcoin Fighter, GetGems, and other games that you can choose from just search the web.

There is a gambling site that accept bitcoin for betting on these kind of games.
These games are called esports are addicting specially if you have been playing dota or lol since the beginning.
I think i saw a site here that is specialized on that kind of game.


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: OrangeII on March 16, 2016, 10:24:00 AM
Hey bitcointalk!.

is there any video game with gamble ? ex: dota , LoL ?? you playing and if you win you get x2 or x1.9 of bet.  ???

do not looking for bookmaker or team-bet sites.

I think there are no game base on what game you are talking about, but there is certain games that you can earn bitcoin for example wheel of bitcoin, FlapPig, Bitcoin Billionaire, Bitcoin Fighter, GetGems, and other games that you can choose from just search the web.
Yes, it is true. I also never played Bitcoin Fighter to get bitcoin, so many online games that can produce bitcoin, but most pay with little bitcoin


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: teilwalL05 on March 16, 2016, 10:32:23 AM


There is a gambling site that accept bitcoin for betting on these kind of games.
These games are called esports are addicting specially if you have been playing dota or lol since the beginning.
I think i saw a site here that is specialized on that kind of game.

Yes I know that gambling sites are accepting bitcoin and I am betting on one of those site, If you know some sites that accept bitcoin or earn bitcoin with that kind of games or RPG games please share it in here! hehe ;D


Yes, it is true. I also never played Bitcoin Fighter to get bitcoin, so many online games that can produce bitcoin, but most pay with little bitcoin

Yes they all pay small amount of bitcoin just like faucets but I think playing this enjoyable games is just for past time or leisure at least they pay bitcoin.


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: krisnt80 on March 16, 2016, 12:46:52 PM
There is no direct gambling game as far as I know, there are few faucet-like games but mostly these turn scams and close regularly so don't recommend investing in these.


Title: Re: Video game gambling
Post by: teilwalL05 on March 16, 2016, 01:10:22 PM
There is no direct gambling game as far as I know, there are few faucet-like games but mostly these turn scams and close regularly so don't recommend investing in these.

There Are plenty of scam sites so be very careful in putting your bitcoins in a suspicious site! but there is a lot direct gambling sites that are available right now you will need to search for it in the forum!