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Title: Belgium Says Law Limiting Raids May Have Allowed Suspect in Paris Attacks
Post by: xht on December 18, 2015, 03:04:58 AM
Belgium Says Law Limiting Raids May Have Allowed Suspect in Paris Attacks to Escape

PARIS — The authorities in Belgium said on Wednesday that one of the Paris attackers may have been holed up in a house in Brussels two nights after 130 people were killed and hundreds more injured — but that he could have escaped because of a law banning police raids on private homes from 9 p.m. to 5 a.m., according to the country’s justice minister.

The revelation by the justice minister, Koen Geens, that the suspect, France’s most wanted man — Salah Abdeslam — might have gotten away because of an arcane law intended to safeguard family privacy only adds to the picture of a severely dysfunctional and ineffective government in Belgium.

The minister said in an interview broadcast on Wednesday night by the Dutch-language television station VTM that Mr. Abdeslam would have been caught if he were there, and a spokesman for the federal prosecutor’s office acknowledged in a telephone interview that “the immediate surroundings and the streets surrounding the property were not sealed off during the night.”

“All we know is that we had good reasons to believe that Salah Abdeslam was in the house that night, and that the next morning the raid was negative,” said Eric Van der Sijpt, the spokesman for the federal prosecutor in Brussels, who is leading the investigation.

Since the attacks, Mr. Abdeslam has managed to evade a widespread manhunt, even after the authorities in Brussels locked down the city for days.

The new revelation adds to the list of apparent missed opportunities to seize him, shared by both the Belgian and French authorities. Though officials did not explain why they believed Mr. Abdeslam may have been in the house, the Belgian news media on Wednesday night quoted an anonymous source saying he was definitely there.

Mr. Van der Sijpt, clearly aware of how such a revelation would appear, tried to cast doubt on the idea that the law prevented the authorities from capturing Mr. Abdeslam, saying measures were taken to monitor the area, although he would not specify what was done.

“If Salah Abdeslam had been there during the night, we would have gotten him,” he said.

“We took measures throughout the night to make sure that Salah Abdeslam could not flee that particular home if he indeed was there.”

Still the notion that police knew where one of the attackers was hiding and did not pounce strained the credulity, apparently, even of Mr. Geens, the country’s top justice official, who in his television interview described the legal restriction against nighttime raids — dating to 1969 — as “a big handicap.” He said the police wanted to raid the home where they suspected Mr. Abdeslam was hiding right away, but could not act until after 5 a.m. which he said was “too late.”

The decision to abide the law also underscored the consistent tension between security and civil liberties that governments in Europe and the United States have struggled to balance in an era of terrorist threats.

For instance, Tashfeen Malik, the Pakistani woman who with her husband killed 14 people in San Bernardino, Calif., was granted a visa to enter the United States even though she had posted a number of private messages online indicating that she had become radicalized. Federal officials said that visa officers were not permitted to look into applicants’ social media accounts because of concerns about privacy.

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Days after that failed raid on Nov. 16 in the Molenbeek district, the Belgian prime minister, Charles Michel, on Nov. 19 proposed 18 new security measures in an address to Parliament, including one that would allow the police to conduct raids at any time of the homes of people suspected of involvement in terrorist activity or suspected of possessing explosives, firearms or weapons of mass destruction on the premises.

However, Parliament is not expected to take up the proposed measures before the end of January, and some lawmakers have expressed reservations about the measures because of concerns about civil liberties.

Short of more targeted measures, the Brussels region was put on the highest possible state of alert on Nov. 21, with schools, markets and public transportation closed. The Belgian authorities stepped up the frequency and intensity of the raids, although no major new intelligence has publicly emerged from those actions.

Mr. Van der Sijpt said no exceptions to the law were permitted, even after the Brussels authorities raised the city’s alert level, putting it in a state of virtual lockdown for several days. The law prohibits raids on private homes between 9 p.m. and 5 a.m., unless the person living there invites the authorities to enter, or has been directly observed committing a crime.

Even on the night of Nov. 22, when the authorities — alarmed about the possibility of an attack in Belgium — conducted a series of raids in the Brussels region, they had to begin the raids at 8:45 p.m., 15 minutes before the 9 p.m. cutoff point.

Days later, when the government lowered the city’s threat level, it said it was highly likely that the raids had helped avert a new attack.

But of 16 people who were detained, 15 were released the next day.

No explosives or weapons were found during the raids.


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/17/world/europe/belgium-says-law-limiting-raids-may-have-allowed-suspect-in-paris-attacks-to-escape.html?ref=world


Title: Re: Belgium Says Law Limiting Raids May Have Allowed Suspect in Paris Attacks
Post by: Lethn on December 18, 2015, 03:06:45 AM
Ahhh of course, blame the fact that you can't break into peoples' homes at will for not being able to catch the terrorists, they'll really come up with anything to try and remove peoples' privacy rights won't they?


Title: Re: Belgium Says Law Limiting Raids May Have Allowed Suspect in Paris Attacks
Post by: vero on December 18, 2015, 08:53:50 AM
We are all still struggling with the balance between tighter security and human rights that the ISIS war has brought upon us. Although it is troubling that one of the attackers escaped, it would be more troubling if innocent people were uprooted in the middle of the night as the police looked for the attacker.


Title: Re: Belgium Says Law Limiting Raids May Have Allowed Suspect in Paris Attacks
Post by: croato on December 18, 2015, 09:24:50 AM
Europe is doing awful job right now. First they let millions of potential terrorists flood Europe and now this. Belgium is not only country which will attack our privacy, whole Europe will do that. It just looks like they use opportunity to control us bit more just like USA gov is doing to Americans for a while.


Title: Re: Belgium Says Law Limiting Raids May Have Allowed Suspect in Paris Attacks
Post by: bryant.coleman on December 19, 2015, 07:30:28 AM
Belgium has dug its own grave. The French (who are some on-third of the population) supported the import of Muslims from the former French colonies such as Algeria and Morocco, so that they could make the majority Flemish (60% of the population) a minority. It didn't worked well. The Arabs, rather than assimilating with the French, became a majority in many of the regions. Now the French are assimilating in to the Arab culture.


Title: Re: Belgium Says Law Limiting Raids May Have Allowed Suspect in Paris Attacks
Post by: bitsmichel on December 19, 2015, 11:30:12 AM
Belgium had all data on these guys from mass surveillance, but did nothing. Now Belgian government is increasing privacy invading tools? how about they get off their lazy ass