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Title: Overclock/Overvolt the Avalon6 with a DPS-1200FB Made Simple
Post by: kilo17 on December 18, 2015, 09:44:17 AM
So after messing with a bunch of different PSU's and seeing different results on the Avalon6 depending on supplied voltage I decided to try and increase the voltage on the common (and cheap) DPS-1200FB.  There is plenty of info on the net about it which made it simple.

1 - I used a DPS-1200Fb that was already running a miner at 11.9-12 volts by the software and hashing on average around 3300-3400 at best.
2 - I used the same plug, PSU and miner for the testing to eliminate bias.

Here is the PSU
http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w463/docpromos/FullSizeRender-8.jpg


Here are the steps:
1- Remove the 4 top screws on the PSU - the top opens like a book and unhinges at the bottom. Here is what you will see.

http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w463/docpromos/FullSizeRender-5_1.jpg

2 - Notice the flap in the black liner below the pink tape - I cut it off to expose the 3 pots.   From the view below it is the pot on the right we are interested in.

http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w463/docpromos/FullSizeRender-4_2.jpg

3 -  It is a single rotation pot and for me turning it to the left (Counterclockwise)  increased the voltage.  The range is suppose to be 11.7-12.7.  Just prior to turning the pot I measured the voltage and it was 12.29 as seen below. About .2 volts below what the software reported.

http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w463/docpromos/FullSizeRender-6_1.jpg

4 - I measured the distance and drilled a hole in the side to allow easy "tuning".

http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w463/docpromos/IMG_8836.jpg

5 - I then increased the voltage to 12.68.

http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w463/docpromos/FullSizeRender-7.jpg




Title: Re: Overclock the Avalon6 with a DPS-1200FB Made Simple
Post by: kilo17 on December 18, 2015, 09:44:28 AM
BAM - 3800 ghs


Second miner from the bottom-

http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w463/docpromos/Screen%20Shot%202015-12-18%20at%203.17.37%20AM.png

Here it is later on:

http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w463/docpromos/Screen%20Shot%202015-12-18%20at%203.42.55%20AM.png


Title: Re: Overclock/Overvolt the Avalon6 with a DPS-1200FB Made Simple
Post by: kilo17 on December 18, 2015, 09:52:59 AM
It is almost 4:00 am here and I gotta sneak a snooze, I will let you know later if it blows up the miner or the PSU  ;)


Title: Re: Overclock/Overvolt the Avalon6 with a DPS-1200FB Made Simple
Post by: philipma1957 on December 18, 2015, 01:15:22 PM
It should run well at 12.6  as I run mine at 12.55 for 20 hours with zero issues.

top screen shot is a dual avalon  they both get over 3900 gh
on finsky's dual 2000=4000 watt psu with high volt setting of 12.55

https://i.imgur.com/DLfRS4J.png


Title: Re: Overclock/Overvolt the Avalon6 with a DPS-1200FB Made Simple
Post by: sabercatt on December 18, 2015, 02:20:06 PM
only thing i notice with mine - if there is a problem (too hot, power loss, pool restart) they wont boot at that voltage. if i'm away then they stay off till i return and drop the voltage to restart them.


Title: Re: Overclock/Overvolt the Avalon6 with a DPS-1200FB Made Simple
Post by: philipma1957 on December 18, 2015, 02:58:26 PM
only thing i notice with mine - if there is a problem (too hot, power loss, pool restart) they wont boot at that voltage. if i'm away then they stay off till i return and drop the voltage to restart them.

Mine reboot with 12.55 volt setting.

What psu do you have?  and if there is a power outage does the rasp pi reset.

I get one problem with hard power of then power on the problem is at 11.7 12.2 or 12.5 volts and the rasp pi finds 1 of the 2 avalon's not both.  So I need a software reboot. but I do reboot at 12.55 volts


Title: Re: Overclock/Overvolt the Avalon6 with a DPS-1200FB Made Simple
Post by: sabercatt on December 18, 2015, 03:17:38 PM
dps-1200fb. no issues with pi's. only once have i had a miner not show up even though it was blue and hashing.


Title: Re: Overclock/Overvolt the Avalon6 with a DPS-1200FB Made Simple
Post by: philipma1957 on December 18, 2015, 05:57:52 PM
dps-1200fb. no issues with pi's. only once have i had a miner not show up even though it was blue and hashing.

okay I just bumped my  dual psu back to 12.55
 see the hash at 3900 plus for each one
see the soft ware sensor at 12.4 and 12.2

the real volts are 12.55.

I have not booted just used the switch on the dual 2000 board from 12.23 to 12.55

I will do a cgminer restart now

https://i.imgur.com/Y7YQ2rJ.png


and in theory see what happens. and it did restart

two screenshots show it is settling back in.  So I got a restart at 12.55 volts
 my guess is this as to your lack of restart.  the psu needs 5 to 10% higher to restart then settles in a lower draw.

So at 12.5 or 12.6 volts  the psu needs 1300-1400 watts at the start and it can not do it. It lacks the overhead.

My psu needs 2600-2800 at the start  and it has 4000 watt top end so it can do it.  It is simply a case of having the  1200 watt psu at 12.6  if it were a 1500 watt the reserve would be there for the start.

Ac compressor's refrigerator compressor's  use a starter cap for that little bit of kick start juice needed.  My skill set in psu's is not that good to wire in a startup cap.


https://i.imgur.com/s5p35WR.png
https://i.imgur.com/XmLFKWa.png


Title: Re: Overclock/Overvolt the Avalon6 with a DPS-1200FB Made Simple
Post by: sabercatt on December 18, 2015, 06:26:34 PM
that is certainly a possibility, although most of them wont even attempt to start. they just flashe red and stays at 12.4 or 12.5v. sometimes i wonder if its heat related. If i drop the voltage down to 12.1 or so 50% of the time it will take off on its own. the other 50% i have to unplug the psu, start the miner all the way till hashing and then raise the voltage. And it is certainly different miner to miner. I've tried moving psu's around and trying different things. most of it boils down to differences in the miners more than the psu's. i've got 20 on 3 different types of psu's, but none higher than 1300w, although all running at 240v.  Never any problems while running, most have been up for 6-7 days now since last power issue. It just takes me an hr or two to get them dialed in after such a failure. And mostly getting each miner set up to the voltage it runs best at overclocked without going past where its efficient (which can be a very small window).


Title: Re: Overclock/Overvolt the Avalon6 with a DPS-1200FB Made Simple
Post by: alh on December 18, 2015, 07:58:03 PM
This is a really great article and discussion. One thing I think that was missing from the outset is that this will only work with an input voltage of 220V. It won't work on 120V (nominal) wall power.

I say this based solely on the label which suggests it won't supply enough DC power when powered from a typical 120V outlet.

Which breakout board are you using on this DPS-1200FB power supply?


Title: Re: Overclock/Overvolt the Avalon6 with a DPS-1200FB Made Simple
Post by: Finksy on December 18, 2015, 09:01:48 PM
Which breakout board are you using on this DPS-1200FB power supply?

Looks like J4bberwock's common slot breakout board, available on Scott's website: http://holybitcoin.com/product/hp-1200-watt-common-slot-psu-bundle/


Title: Re: Overclock/Overvolt the Avalon6 with a DPS-1200FB Made Simple
Post by: kilo17 on December 18, 2015, 11:05:50 PM
This is a really great article and discussion. One thing I think that was missing from the outset is that this will only work with an input voltage of 220V. It won't work on 120V (nominal) wall power.

I say this based solely on the label which suggests it won't supply enough DC power when powered from a typical 120V outlet.

Which breakout board are you using on this DPS-1200FB power supply?

Mine are all currently running on 120v, including the one that I bumped up the voltage on.


Title: Re: Overclock/Overvolt the Avalon6 with a DPS-1200FB Made Simple
Post by: kilo17 on December 18, 2015, 11:06:36 PM
Which breakout board are you using on this DPS-1200FB power supply?

Looks like J4bberwock's common slot breakout board, available on Scott's website: http://holybitcoin.com/product/hp-1200-watt-common-slot-psu-bundle/

That is correct.


Title: Re: Overclock/Overvolt the Avalon6 with a DPS-1200FB Made Simple
Post by: -droid- on December 19, 2015, 12:03:06 AM
This is a really great article and discussion. One thing I think that was missing from the outset is that this will only work with an input voltage of 220V. It won't work on 120V (nominal) wall power.

I say this based solely on the label which suggests it won't supply enough DC power when powered from a typical 120V outlet.

Which breakout board are you using on this DPS-1200FB power supply?

Mine are all currently running on 120v, including the one that I bumped up the voltage on.

are you using 2 of these per avalon then?  I dont see how at 900w on 120v you can run one avalon with increased voltage to boot


Title: Re: Overclock/Overvolt the Avalon6 with a DPS-1200FB Made Simple
Post by: kilo17 on December 19, 2015, 03:10:17 AM
This is a really great article and discussion. One thing I think that was missing from the outset is that this will only work with an input voltage of 220V. It won't work on 120V (nominal) wall power.

I say this based solely on the label which suggests it won't supply enough DC power when powered from a typical 120V outlet.

Which breakout board are you using on this DPS-1200FB power supply?

Mine are all currently running on 120v, including the one that I bumped up the voltage on.

are you using 2 of these per avalon then?  I dont see how at 900w on 120v you can run one avalon with increased voltage to boot

I am using 1 of them, I plan on doing it to another tonight and will take pictures of it running.  Also, it will be a good follow up to verify the results.


Title: Re: Overclock/Overvolt the Avalon6 with a DPS-1200FB Made Simple
Post by: -droid- on December 19, 2015, 03:52:38 AM
This is a really great article and discussion. One thing I think that was missing from the outset is that this will only work with an input voltage of 220V. It won't work on 120V (nominal) wall power.

I say this based solely on the label which suggests it won't supply enough DC power when powered from a typical 120V outlet.

Which breakout board are you using on this DPS-1200FB power supply?

Mine are all currently running on 120v, including the one that I bumped up the voltage on.

are you using 2 of these per avalon then?  I dont see how at 900w on 120v you can run one avalon with increased voltage to boot

I am using 1 of them, I plan on doing it to another tonight and will take pictures of it running.  Also, it will be a good follow up to verify the results.

How is the Avalon getting enough watts? The PSU on 120v maxes at 900w right?


Title: Re: Overclock/Overvolt the Avalon6 with a DPS-1200FB Made Simple
Post by: philipma1957 on December 19, 2015, 04:06:36 AM
This is a really great article and discussion. One thing I think that was missing from the outset is that this will only work with an input voltage of 220V. It won't work on 120V (nominal) wall power.

I say this based solely on the label which suggests it won't supply enough DC power when powered from a typical 120V outlet.

Which breakout board are you using on this DPS-1200FB power supply?

Mine are all currently running on 120v, including the one that I bumped up the voltage on.

are you using 2 of these per avalon then?  I dont see how at 900w on 120v you can run one avalon with increased voltage to boot

I am using 1 of them, I plan on doing it to another tonight and will take pictures of it running.  Also, it will be a good follow up to verify the results.

How is the Avalon getting enough watts? The PSU on 120v maxes at 900w right?

based on his numbers it must do more maybe 1100.  1100 clean watts would give about  3500gh.


Title: Re: Overclock/Overvolt the Avalon6 with a DPS-1200FB Made Simple
Post by: kilo17 on December 19, 2015, 04:42:02 AM
Here are a different miner and PSU.
Picture:
1 - Miner before overvolting - Avalon #3
2 - Miner running "stock"
3 - After overvaulting PSU
4 - Plug measurement
5 - Miner running overvalued
6 - Results after overvolting - Avalon #3

http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w463/docpromos/Screen%20Shot%202015-12-18%20at%209.51.50%20PM.png

http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w463/docpromos/IMG_8838.jpg

http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w463/docpromos/IMG_8839.jpg

http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w463/docpromos/IMG_8842.jpg

http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w463/docpromos/IMG_8843.jpg

http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w463/docpromos/Screen%20Shot%202015-12-18%20at%2010.26.27%20PM.png



Title: Re: Overclock/Overvolt the Avalon6 with a DPS-1200FB Made Simple
Post by: kilo17 on December 19, 2015, 04:43:26 AM
I have backed the voltage down a tad to about 12.3 (by software) and 12.5 on the PSU and achieve the same hash results and the PSU is much cooler.


Title: Re: Overclock/Overvolt the Avalon6 with a DPS-1200FB Made Simple
Post by: kilo17 on December 19, 2015, 04:46:29 AM
This is a really great article and discussion. One thing I think that was missing from the outset is that this will only work with an input voltage of 220V. It won't work on 120V (nominal) wall power.

I say this based solely on the label which suggests it won't supply enough DC power when powered from a typical 120V outlet.

Which breakout board are you using on this DPS-1200FB power supply?

Mine are all currently running on 120v, including the one that I bumped up the voltage on.

are you using 2 of these per avalon then?  I dont see how at 900w on 120v you can run one avalon with increased voltage to boot

I am using 1 of them, I plan on doing it to another tonight and will take pictures of it running.  Also, it will be a good follow up to verify the results.

How is the Avalon getting enough watts? The PSU on 120v maxes at 900w right?

That is a true statement at "stock" settings but by increasing the voltage it is increasing the wattage I do believe  (watts=volts * amps) on the 12 volt side.  On the wall side it would need to increase the amps since the voltage remains stable at 120


Title: Re: Overclock/Overvolt the Avalon6 with a DPS-1200FB Made Simple
Post by: philipma1957 on December 19, 2015, 01:36:52 PM
That is why when you backed off from 12.79 to 12.55 the psu cooled as it drew less amps to do the 12.55 volts.

The Avalon six seems to run very well in the 12.55 volt area.

I did get the psu as high as 12.83 volts.  But the hash rate moved very little and the power use needed was much more.

The avalons remind me of gpu mining the top maxed over lock is wasteful.

The sp-20 was also like that.

I have found 12.55 volts is really good for the Avalon sixes.


Title: Re: Overclock/Overvolt the Avalon6 with a DPS-1200FB Made Simple
Post by: nhando on December 21, 2015, 04:20:38 AM
You guys are making me envious!!!  Still in 3.3TH LALA land........so awesome to see consistent 3.8 to 3.9TH using 12.55V.  Definitely going to try that once I get the new Finksy board.


Title: Re: Overclock/Overvolt the Avalon6 with a DPS-1200FB Made Simple
Post by: kilo17 on December 21, 2015, 04:24:16 AM
You guys are making me envious!!!  Still in 3.3TH LALA land........so awesome to see consistent 3.8 to 3.9TH using 12.55V.  Definitely going to try that once I get the new Finksy board.

Post a pic of your PSU- I want to make sure it is the same as the ones I have (750's) - I think I have the adjustments for it also :)


Title: Re: Overclock/Overvolt the Avalon6 with a DPS-1200FB Made Simple
Post by: nhando on December 22, 2015, 04:09:40 AM
Hey Kilo,

How's the voltage change going so far?  Has it been stable for a few days?  What is the best voltage?  The Dell 750W PSU are the ones on Holybitcoins.com including the breakout boards n cables. Is your HP 1200W PSU very quiet?  My HP 1000W PSU is extremely quiet but run a bit hotter than the Dell.  The Dell is LOUD as heck but with the board, I can adjust the fan speed to make it run hotter but quieter.


http://holybitcoin.com/product/dell-750w-server-psu-breakout-adapter-board/

P.S I'm still scratching my head as to why they say that PSU can only do 900w on 110V but your proved otherwise as even non OC, the Avalon uses more than 900W.


Title: Re: Overclock/Overvolt the Avalon6 with a DPS-1200FB Made Simple
Post by: kilo17 on January 14, 2016, 07:47:58 AM
PSU's still strong after a couple of weeks


Title: Re: Overclock/Overvolt the Avalon6 with a DPS-1200FB Made Simple
Post by: VirosaGITS on January 14, 2016, 11:27:26 AM
I see some very nice numbers here, but i also see some pretty high temps. What temp would be considered overheating, for the Avalon 6?


Title: Re: Overclock/Overvolt the Avalon6 with a DPS-1200FB Made Simple
Post by: tlhIlwI on January 28, 2016, 02:16:10 PM
I don't have the DPS-1200, but I do have a similar HP supply, 490594-001 (HSTNS-P11 I believe):

I'm going to try to voltage adjust one of these this weekend.  I found this post online:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=27851172&postcount=2602 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=27851172&postcount=2602)

It looks as easy as the DPS-1200 to adjust.  The fourth picture shows where the adjustment pot is supposed to be and has a decent range for an Avalon6 (11.7V-12.8V).

I have run three of these 490594-001 supplies on SP20s for a year now.  They have the same ratings as the DPS-1200 (900W@120V, 1200W@200-240V).  I do not know if they will take the same abuse as kilo17 gives the DPS-1200 (getting the 1200W rating out of 120V instead of 240V) since I use them on 240V.  Unloaded (open) they read 12.3V by multimeter and loaded they read 12.00V exact.  They are VERY quiet and surprisingly efficient (I've calculated mine to be providing 93% efficiency when running a SP20).  The only downside is that while a simple resistor mod can be used to start the supply like with other HP models, the 490594-001 will not auto start after a power outage with that resistor mod.  The supply needs a short time delay after power returns before it will accept the PS_ON signal.  I got around this by using the 5v standby output pin 32 to charge a 100uF capacitor via a 470ohm resistor and tied that to a base of an NPN transistor, collector to the PS_ON pin, emitter to ground (edit: my memory was mistaken on what I did with the C/E pins a year ago; reviewing photos I took of the mod it appears I have the collector on pin 33 and the emitter on pin 36)  (RC charge time delays the transistor switching, which in turn activates the supply).  It has worked perfectly.  No, I didn't do a breakout board-- I went cheap bodge style with the parts soldered together hanging off the card edge.

I'll be getting my first Avalon6 when the group buy delivers, so I'm hoping the voltage adjustment on this model is successful since I already have four of them (3 live and one spare).  I plan to get the highest allowed (within spec) level (12.2V) instead of exactly 12V.


Title: Re: Overclock/Overvolt the Avalon6 with a DPS-1200FB Made Simple
Post by: tlhIlwI on February 01, 2016, 09:42:09 PM
Update on the HSTNS-P11 alternative to the DPS-1200FB:  The link I shared above shows the wrong location for the voltage pot.  The actual location is up and to the left (about 3/8" to the right of the MC33274ADG OP AMP).  Mine adjusts from 11.588V to 12.427V.