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Title: Which ASIC company can i trust?
Post by: Devise on December 09, 2012, 08:45:32 PM
Hi guys!

I know this is my first post, but i was reading this forum for a long time..

So my question is: I am willing to buy an ASIC. But I am not sure from which company?

As far as I have researched there are just 2 thrustworthy:
https://www.bitcoinasic.net/
http://www.butterflylabs.com/

Are they really thrustworthy?
Or are the just scam?



Title: Re: Which ASIC company can i trust?
Post by: K. Darien Freeheart on December 09, 2012, 09:52:03 PM
It's a heated topic, for sure. I'll give my answer and someone will pop in to refute it.

My answer?

You can trusty Butterfly Labs. You can trust the folks at btcfpga.com.

The reason I say this is because I have products from both. Not ASICs, as they've not been released yet, but FPGA devices from them. Any company could decide to up and screw over their customers, but both have proven that they CAN develop and ship a functional product.

Now, what remains to be seen is how well their ASIC products perform once they ship. But I trust that both will ship, and they will be awesome, and they will not screw over their customers.

I would not buy a product from a company that has not yet shipped any product. There might be legit vendors that will produce ASICs, but I wouldn't risk the kind of money on it.


Title: Re: Which ASIC company can i trust?
Post by: flynn on December 09, 2012, 10:25:37 PM
I would trust Ngzhang too. definitely.


Title: Re: Which ASIC company can i trust?
Post by: mjc on December 09, 2012, 10:44:01 PM
It really depends on your risk tolerance.  I personally bought 2 Single SC from Butterfly labs.  If you have a lower risk tolerance, just wait until they come out and see what everyone is saying.  Until then its anyone's guess.

All we have to go on is what the companies are telling us.  BFL (Butterfly Labs) has been pretty open wit their customers.  there have been some delays but there is an open line of communication.  We should know shortly like Dec 11th when the first units will ship.


Title: Re: Which ASIC company can i trust?
Post by: raoulbeaupre on December 10, 2012, 04:37:10 AM
Hi.

I am the owner of IntraTech Montreal.

IntraTech Montreal supplies the technology for the telecommunications sector around the world.
We produce a large quantity of product to our customer as Telus Mobility or Roger's Telecommunication.

3 month ago, One of my employees came to me about BitCoin and the necessary technology. Since that day, we decided to throw ourselves into the ASIC extractor industry too.

Since we are already in those kind of industry, we have all the parts and equipment needed for this type of product manufactured.

For those interested, you can come take a look at our website.

For people residing in the Montreal area, you can contact me for a private tour of our factory.

http://www.intratechmontreal.com/ (http://www.intratechmontreal.com/)

Skype: intratechmontreal
E-mail: raoul.beaupre87@gmail.com

Thank you and good day.


Title: Re: Which ASIC company can i trust?
Post by: laughingbear on December 10, 2012, 04:43:34 AM
Hi.

I am the owner of IntraTech Montreal.

IntraTech Montreal supplies the technology for the telecommunications sector around the world.
We produce a large quantity of product to our customer as Telus Mobility or Roger's Telecommunication.

3 month ago, One of my employees came to me about BitCoin and the necessary technology. Since that day, we decided to throw ourselves into the ASIC extractor industry too.

Since we are already in those kind of industry, we have all the parts and equipment needed for this type of product manufactured.

For those interested, you can come take a look at our website.

For people residing in the Montreal area, you can contact me for a private tour of our factory.

http://www.intratechmontreal.com/ (http://www.intratechmontreal.com/)

Skype: intratechmontreal
E-mail: raoul.beaupre87@gmail.com

Thank you and good day.




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Title: Re: Which ASIC company can i trust?
Post by: kwoody on December 10, 2012, 04:55:50 AM
I'm not sure I'd find any of them thrustworthy.
I can't get it up over hardware, sorry


Title: Re: Which ASIC company can i trust?
Post by: Photon939 on December 10, 2012, 04:57:27 AM
IntraTech is also the "company" that posted an item on Bitmit and used photos stolen from ButterflyLabs to promote their product.

Most likely a scam or joke, newbies be wary.

Discussed Here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129854.0


Title: Re: Which ASIC company can i trust?
Post by: fcmatt on December 10, 2012, 05:04:16 AM
Honestly i did not trust any of them enough to send thousands of dollars to them for pre orders.
I will wait until i see it in the wild and then maybe order.

Put it this way. Almost all of us were not the first to gpu mine. Others got the easy money yet i did awesome on my gpu investment even tho i came after them. Same will go for asics. I am not risk tolerant enough to go for the big reward. I would rather play it safe and do good. The reason ppl here get scammed so often is due to greed and being too trusting of dumb knobs on the internet. Simple as that.


Title: Re: Which ASIC company can i trust?
Post by: tbcoin on December 10, 2012, 05:10:25 AM


http://www.intratechmontreal.com/x2.php (http://www.intratechmontreal.com/x2.php) > Zoom in = Paint edit XD
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Title: Re: Which ASIC company can i trust?
Post by: creativex on December 10, 2012, 05:15:51 AM
I can respect that, though I believe the jump to ASIC is a little different than the jump from CPU to GPU mining.

Because ASICs have such a high efficiency the potential reward for early adopters is off the charts. While there are certainly risks, as long as you aren't gambling the grocery money it may make sense for some. However as all of the three company's first batches are filled, it probably makes more sense to wait and observe the results at this point.


Title: Re: Which ASIC company can i trust?
Post by: tbcoin on December 10, 2012, 05:17:19 AM
http://www.intratechmontreal.com/about.php
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ASIC Technology President of IntraTech.
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Title: Re: Which ASIC company can i trust?
Post by: crazyates on December 10, 2012, 05:44:01 AM


http://www.intratechmontreal.com/x2.php (http://www.intratechmontreal.com/x2.php) > Zoom in = Paint edit XD
http://gztianshi.en.alibaba.com/product/344429420-214441984/ITX_Computer_case_with_power_supply.html (http://gztianshi.en.alibaba.com/product/344429420-214441984/ITX_Computer_case_with_power_supply.html)


That whole website looks like it was made by a highschooler.


Title: Re: Which ASIC company can i trust?
Post by: fcmatt on December 10, 2012, 06:24:15 AM
I can respect that, though I believe the jump to ASIC is a little different than the jump from CPU to GPU mining.

Because ASICs have such a high efficiency the potential reward for early adopters is off the charts. While there are certainly risks, as long as you aren't gambling the grocery money it may make sense for some. However as all of the three company's first batches are filled, it probably makes more sense to wait and observe the results at this point.

If i recall correctly a $150 gpu was easily 10 times faster then a fast cpu. The gpu did 300 mh/s. The cpu 30 mh/s.

A 60 gh/s bfl thing costs 1350 delivered.

Soooo...  you could have bought 9 gpus for 1350. That is 2.7gh/s. Times 10 improvement is 27 gh/s.
So we are at 20 times improvement for the asic. And that was comparing a higher end cpu.

Not that big of a diff in my mind.

The early adoption phase will last say 6 months or so and then anyone getting in will be like oct of last year btc generating wise.


Title: Re: Which ASIC company can i trust?
Post by: raoulbeaupre on December 10, 2012, 04:20:59 PM
Hi.

I am the owner of IntraTech Montreal.

IntraTech Montreal supplies the technology for the telecommunications sector around the world.
We produce a large quantity of product to our customer as Telus Mobility or Roger's Telecommunication.

3 month ago, One of my employees came to me about BitCoin and the necessary technology. Since that day, we decided to throw ourselves into the ASIC extractor industry too.

Since we are already in those kind of industry, we have all the parts and equipment needed for this type of product manufactured.

For those interested, you can come take a look at our website.

For people residing in the Montreal area, you can contact me for a private tour of our factory.

http://www.intratechmontreal.com/ (http://www.intratechmontreal.com/)

Skype: intratechmontreal
E-mail: raoul.beaupre87@gmail.com

Thank you and good day.




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Yes. We don't have the right to have a website for our product ? We don't have other website for our other product since we dealing with just two big customer in telecommunication.

Thank you.


Title: Re: Which ASIC company can i trust?
Post by: laughingbear on December 10, 2012, 04:25:34 PM
yes, all reputable companies use a  "Domains By Proxy" service I apologize.  I hope you are doing this as a joke, because if you are seriously thinking that this will work as a scam you are an idiot.


Title: Re: Which ASIC company can i trust?
Post by: creativex on December 10, 2012, 05:40:03 PM
I can respect that, though I believe the jump to ASIC is a little different than the jump from CPU to GPU mining.

Because ASICs have such a high efficiency the potential reward for early adopters is off the charts. While there are certainly risks, as long as you aren't gambling the grocery money it may make sense for some. However as all of the three company's first batches are filled, it probably makes more sense to wait and observe the results at this point.

If i recall correctly a $150 gpu was easily 10 times faster then a fast cpu. The gpu did 300 mh/s. The cpu 30 mh/s.

A 60 gh/s bfl thing costs 1350 delivered.

Soooo...  you could have bought 9 gpus for 1350. That is 2.7gh/s. Times 10 improvement is 27 gh/s.
So we are at 20 times improvement for the asic. And that was comparing a higher end cpu.

Not that big of a diff in my mind.

The early adoption phase will last say 6 months or so and then anyone getting in will be like oct of last year btc generating wise.

This ignores the most important aspect of the move to ASICs. Efficiency. They use very little power for the hashes they produce. While you could crank up a whole bunch of GPUs to get more hashes you'd give back much of those gains when the electric bill arrived. That won't be the case for early ASIC adopters. The only thing that's set to reduce the profitability of ASICs is competition from other ASICs which will eventually make power consumption an issue again.


Title: Re: Which ASIC company can i trust?
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on December 10, 2012, 05:51:56 PM
I can respect that, though I believe the jump to ASIC is a little different than the jump from CPU to GPU mining.

Because ASICs have such a high efficiency the potential reward for early adopters is off the charts. While there are certainly risks, as long as you aren't gambling the grocery money it may make sense for some. However as all of the three company's first batches are filled, it probably makes more sense to wait and observe the results at this point.

If i recall correctly a $150 gpu was easily 10 times faster then a fast cpu. The gpu did 300 mh/s. The cpu 30 mh/s.

A 60 gh/s bfl thing costs 1350 delivered.

Soooo...  you could have bought 9 gpus for 1350. That is 2.7gh/s. Times 10 improvement is 27 gh/s.
So we are at 20 times improvement for the asic. And that was comparing a higher end cpu.

Not that big of a diff in my mind.

The early adoption phase will last say 6 months or so and then anyone getting in will be like oct of last year btc generating wise.

This ignores the most important aspect of the move to ASICs. Efficiency. They use very little power for the hashes they produce. While you could crank up a whole bunch of GPUs to get more hashes you'd give back much of those gains when the electric bill arrived. That won't be the case for early ASIC adopters. The only thing that's set to reduce the profitability of ASICs is competition from other ASICs which will eventually make power consumption an issue again.

You do know the exact same thing was true of GPUs.  Improved efficiency only matters during the transition.   An ASIC may get 200x the MH per J but when difficulty goes up 200x the electrical cost per BTC will be roughly the same.

The transition period isn't going to be that long.  When these units ships they are going to ship in mass (dozens, hundreds of TH/s per week).  Why?  Once that dam breaks the retail value of new sales is going to plummet.  By shipping faster an ASIC producer can lock is millions more in profits.  That combined with difficulty adjusting every 2016 blocks and the type of magnitude increase expected there will be no window of "off the charts rewards".



Title: Re: Which ASIC company can i trust?
Post by: 01BTC10 on December 10, 2012, 05:55:53 PM
Hi.

I am the owner of IntraTech Montreal.

IntraTech Montreal supplies the technology for the telecommunications sector around the world.
We produce a large quantity of product to our customer as Telus Mobility or Roger's Telecommunication.

3 month ago, One of my employees came to me about BitCoin and the necessary technology. Since that day, we decided to throw ourselves into the ASIC extractor industry too.

Since we are already in those kind of industry, we have all the parts and equipment needed for this type of product manufactured.

For those interested, you can come take a look at our website.

For people residing in the Montreal area, you can contact me for a private tour of our factory.

http://www.intratechmontreal.com/ (http://www.intratechmontreal.com/)

Skype: intratechmontreal
E-mail: raoul.beaupre87@gmail.com

Thank you and good day.




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Yes. We don't have the right to have a website for our product ? We don't have other website for our other product since we dealing with just two big customer in telecommunication.

Thank you.

You're a moron scammer and your company doesn't even exist. Your website look like some 8 years old having fun. Your payment method is a big fail even the biggest fish won't bite.

https://i.imgur.com/50r0o.png


Title: Re: Which ASIC company can i trust?
Post by: creativex on December 10, 2012, 06:36:26 PM
You do know the exact same thing was true of GPUs.  Improved efficiency only matters during the transition.   An ASIC may get 200x the MH per J but when difficulty goes up 200x the electrical cost per BTC will be roughly the same.

The transition period isn't going to be that long.  When these units ships they are going to ship in mass (dozens, hundreds of TH/s per week).  Why?  Once that dam breaks the retail value of new sales is going to plummet.  By shipping faster an ASIC producer can lock is millions more in profits.  That combined with difficulty adjusting every 2016 blocks and the type of magnitude increase expected there will be no window of "off the charts rewards".

I do know this. When difficulty goes up 200x ASICs will look far less attractive. The transition period doesn't need to be very long for early adopters to be profitable. Where I think we disagree is in how quickly ASICs can be delivered. Unlike GPUs we're not talking about ATI and nVidia mass production. At this point it appears as though Avalon's small 300 unit batch could well be first to reach end users. How long after that happens before bASIC and BFL ship in quantity will determine how much those Avalon recipients make off their investments, but it could well be huge...and yes if BFL is unable to ship in January then I'd categorize those early Avalon customers' profits as "off the charts".


Title: Re: Which ASIC company can i trust?
Post by: Chief Satangkai on December 10, 2012, 09:00:01 PM
Quote
I do know this. When difficulty goes up 200x ASICs will look far less attractive.

So very true!


Title: Re: Which ASIC company can i trust?
Post by: GoldSeal on December 11, 2012, 01:49:10 AM
Personally, I find the concept of a pre-order for anything over $75 to be detestable. If you are going to sell a physical product, you should at least have the decency to prove to the world that the product exists before you start taking people's money.

This pre-order crap is just an amazing opportunity for fraud.

Personally, I would find some satisfaction in watching idiots lose their money should BFl go tits up and take off with their pre-order payments. Maybe people would learn a valuable lesson.


Title: Re: Which ASIC company can i trust?
Post by: GoldSeal on December 11, 2012, 01:56:57 AM
And one more thing. It stands to reason that this pre-order madness is fueled by the greed of people who do not understand math. I've heard several people spouting off how they believe ordering a single for $1300 is a fantastic deal because it would be capable of generating enough coins in 8 days to pay for itself. Then they throw their savings at BFL to try to get it first.

These people will learn an extremely valuable lesson if these asics come out and a large number of people get them upfront. What would you do if you plug in your single and find out you can only generate 0.1 BTC/day?



Title: Re: Which ASIC company can i trust?
Post by: creativex on December 11, 2012, 02:11:33 AM
These people will learn an extremely valuable lesson if these asics come out and a large number of people get them upfront. What would you do if you plug in your single and find out you can only generate 0.1 BTC/day?

Come on. I'm as skeptical of BFL as the next guy, but either BFL would have to admit their single SC only does a tiny fraction of the advertised 60Gh/s or BTC difficulty would have to rise to roughly 302,000,000 for that to happen. While difficulty may eventually get that high, it's not going to get that high over night.


Title: Re: Which ASIC company can i trust?
Post by: hardcore-fs on December 11, 2012, 02:18:40 AM
Hi.

I am the owner of IntraTech Montreal.

IntraTech Montreal supplies the technology for the telecommunications sector around the world.
We produce a large quantity of product to our customer as Telus Mobility or Roger's Telecommunication.

3 month ago, One of my employees came to me about BitCoin and the necessary technology. Since that day, we decided to throw ourselves into the ASIC extractor industry too.

Since we are already in those kind of industry, we have all the parts and equipment needed for this type of product manufactured.

For those interested, you can come take a look at our website.

For people residing in the Montreal area, you can contact me for a private tour of our factory.

http://www.intratechmontreal.com/ (http://www.intratechmontreal.com/)

Skype: intratechmontreal
E-mail: raoul.beaupre87@gmail.com

Thank you and good day.

Your the SCAMMER trying to sell products as ASIC.
Even your product pictures are BFL


Title: Re: Which ASIC company can i trust?
Post by: GoldSeal on December 11, 2012, 02:28:01 AM
Imagine the equivalent 6250 singles (8 chips each) running out there competing for the same 3600 BTC/day. First run is ~50k chips. If these asics are the only game in town, they will yield 0.575 BTC/day minus whatever GPUs (or other asics) still manage to capture. Tell me how someone can think they will pay off a $1300 single with that kind of yield. Especially when BFL will be dumping more of these chips into customer hands over the next year and other companies may end up coming out with ASICs that stretch mining even thinner.

So 'NO', I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that most of these users will not recover their investment.



Title: Re: Which ASIC company can i trust?
Post by: creativex on December 11, 2012, 02:35:48 AM
This completely ignores the time factor. BFL will not be able to assemble, test, and ship 6250 singles overnight. Additionally when it's perceived that difficulty is going through the roof and ROI is significantly lengthened...orders will slow. Please don't make me defend BFL any further...it makes me feel icky. :-\


Title: Re: Which ASIC company can i trust?
Post by: GoldSeal on December 11, 2012, 03:11:30 AM
Yes, well I guess we'll just need to wait and see.


Title: Re: Which ASIC company can i trust?
Post by: creativex on December 11, 2012, 03:37:04 AM
Well we'll have longer to wait it seems. BFL has just announced yet another delay, this time 30 days. This could be a huge benefit to pre-order customers of Avalon and BTCFPGA if they ship on time.


Title: Re: Which ASIC company can i trust?
Post by: GoldSeal on December 11, 2012, 04:42:19 AM
lol so is it January now? wow


Title: Re: Which ASIC company can i trust?
Post by: creativex on December 11, 2012, 04:53:06 AM
It was January before, but certain BFL reps were in denial. The very notion that they were going to receive chips sometime between 12/11/12 and 12/24/12 and still ship in 2012 was insulting to anyone capable of rational thought.


Title: Re: Which ASIC company can i trust?
Post by: and247 on December 11, 2012, 09:44:45 AM

Personally, I would find some satisfaction in watching idiots lose their money should BFl go tits up and take off with their pre-order payments. Maybe people would learn a valuable lesson.


LOL :)

People will never learn a lesson. There always will be enough idiots who think they can make up their fortune by buying special hardware, pills or other magic ...

People, there is no magic, use your brain!  8)


Title: Re: Which ASIC company can i trust?
Post by: Mytche on December 12, 2012, 02:55:20 AM
What are you trusting them to do exactly?

I do think Butterfly Labs will come through, but even so a pre-order amplifies the speculation to an already speculative economy/technology.  I think the best bet is to wait until something is proven.