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User error....looks like there are 5 MS68 errors

Want me to post some cert #s?

2011 Brass - 4539807
2012 Brass - 4362007
2013 Brass Single - 4359096
2013 Brass Half - 4932755
5BTC - 4620876
10BTC - 4603809
25BTC - 4909059

Make a nice listing for us!!

What I find interesting are the two MS62 coins, and I'd love to see what those look like exactly.  These don't circulate and unless someone actually handles them quite a bit, they shouldn't be below (I would say) MS65. 

And though ANACS is certainly a respected grading company, it'd be great if the other two of the big three (NGC, PCGS) would get into this and start grading physical bitcoins. 

Thanks for posting.

So, need one of each type in order to get a full report?  (Or simply type in enough random cert numbers to get it?)

 ;D
I will dig out some numbers as well

Thanks Blazed.  I was going to go plug some of these numbers in and try to make a nice big table, but looks like the ANACS cert tool took a dump today.

Worked fine yesterday, now it's just some asp.net/AJAX error. Maybe they'll fix it next week...


One cert of each type (or more accurately: year and denomination) will produce a population list for just that one type.

Keep in mind that unless ANACS tracks and records each unique coin address, POP reports may not be accurate due to people cracking original cases and resubmitting for potentially better grades.  There was a thought that ANACS was giving higher grades recently, so some folks resubmitted coins for reconsideration.  Unless ANACS tracked the addy, gave the same grade and didn't include the regrade in its POP report...then there may be many duplicates in the POP reports.  Wouldn't be surprised to eventually see the number of graded coins eclipse Mike's total overall output production numbers, especially for the lower run coins like 2013 silvers.

Very true Ducatitalia. ANACS do not know about those old slabs that have been cracked and resubmitted and they will appear as additional new slabs, and the old ones will still have an entry

Also .... each of the unique varieties of coins that Mike did, will not be represented by a separate population report. Some of them are merged together as I recall. So same year, and same denomination, but different series or different metal could well be bundled together as a single population.

2013 0.5 silver / brass and also 2013 1.0 silver / brass spring to mind, as well as perhaps the 5 and 25 BTC series 1's and 2's (need to check those ones). I am pretty sure they have split out 2011 s1 and s2 though (due to the Casacius error in s1). The gilded coins have been split out from the ungilded though (definately the 1's, not sure on the 10's).

Let me know what ANACS reference numbers you are short DF, and I will try and help fill in any blanks.

It looks like the pop reports are there again, if you go through the certification search, they are then shown for the coin queried

Reckon they (the 62s) will end up being brass coins rather than silver

The 0.1's (silvers without an equivalent brass) have a higher grade distribution, than the 0.5s and 1's that also have an equiv brass coin (which I am pretty sure is all bundled together in 1 pop report, if not for all, then definately for some )

Added a whole gob of data and a bit of wild-ass speculation. Need a ref# for the 2014 Bowl coin if available...

Look at tookdk 's sale thread, he has a graded bowl coin on there

Good work fella. Looks like I was right on the bundling of coins together, but not entirely right which ones. Thanks for clarifying

Very nice initiative dazedfool. Thumps up  :)

Looks good thanks.
There is less MS70's than i thought, I seen one for sale here not long ago, was that you Blazed?

Blazed sold a MS70 tenth a while back, only MS70 I've seen for sale around these parts.

No one seems to want to admit to having MS70 singles or the supposedly one-of-a-kinda MS70 half.

I'd love to sort out the breakdown between MS70 all-silver singles and MS70 gilt silver singles, tho! That'd be a great data point.

Also I have no idea how current the data is. If anyone has an open ANACS order or plans to send one in soon, feel free to let me know and we can track changes...

Thanks for the effort dazedfool, much appreciated.

I am liking the position of my ms68 nickel...

The data is definately current, and updated promptly.

As soon as your gradings are available on the portal, they have been added to the population report (even before they are imaged, and return shipped)

I have seen this with a batch that is at ANACS currently

There is quite an issue with their reporting.

Example - Doesn't even show a 25BTC coin filling the chart.  If you check the cert number that Blazed gave you, you will not see an indication of it being a 25BTC even though the actual grade shows it is.  I have confirmed this with a few cert numbers.  So, your chart shows the 25Bitcoin simply as a blank variety.  (Not your fault, just ANACS).

I can help populate the chart.  :)

The population charts are pretty sad...ANACS needs to step up their game big time on these.

Totally right, but I think a little insight into population data is better than zero insight. If can help confirm graded rarities (like the 10 or 25 coins), I'd be happy to tweak the data...

So a brilliant little bird informed me that the MS70 Cas single population consists of a 3:1 mix of gold and silver. IE there exist 9 SILVER/GOLD and 3 ALL-SILVER graded MS70. Would LOVE for someone reputable to confirm or refute. Anyone in the know wish to share??

I know about 11 of the 12 1's that are 70s, as I have graded them with ANACS. Those 11 arent all mine though !!

3 are all silver. 8 are silver and gold. The 12th I have no knowledge of, so it could be either.

There are a number of owners, at least 4 people, probably 5 with that 12th coin.

Now all you need is someone reputable to confirm  ;D

I know of one Silver/Gilt that is MS-70 that is not part of Monkey's stash.

Cool, so as of now definately a 3:9 split then, silver:silver and gold. We can get a snapshot now, but assuming more 1's get 70's, it will become harder to track the split with time

I will broker the sale for some of the 70s (not mine). A couple of 0.1s are available now, a couple of silver and golds will also probably be going on sale when they get back from ANACS, hopefully next week. Feel free to PM any offers for the 0.1s.

70s -- which (if any) are from hardbtc/you?

If hardbtc has been in contact with Mike recently, I'd potentially be interested in trying to put together an MS70 silver set with PGP docs.

MS70 0.1 Silver - would pay 2 btc
MS70 0.5 Silver s2 - would pay 10 btc
MS70 0.5 Silver s3 - would pay 2.5 btc
MS70 1.0 Silver - would pay 3 btc
MS70 1.0 Silver+Gold - would pay 3 btc

and 0.5 btc per coin for PGP docs. That's potentially an extra 2.5 btc for you & hardbtc to split, just for getting some documentation in order 8)

I would be interested in that too.   :)

What sucks about ANACS in this case is that the series are not indicated.

LEL, meant to send all that as a PM. Avert your eyes!  :o

The 70 coins I have myself are not for sale. Some of HardBTCs will be, and those would be the brokered coins I refered to above. Nothing to report on gaining any additional PGP docs. Obviously it is being tried though.

If the prices you quote were the market rates for MS70 coins, then I would be buying them myself  :D. I dont think you would get many MS69's at those rates, let alone 70s. If you could find a holder of an MS70 willing to part with any of those coins for those prices, I would be amazed  :o I have seen 4 MS 70 coins sold, all for significantly higher prices.

The PGP elements on top of them would, I agree, command an additional price (I dont know of any of the 70's graded that do have PGP docs, but I didnt grade 3 of the 70 coins, so its not impossible). The additional price would be far more significant also due to the combined rarity of both MS70, and the 70 coin also having PGP. But is probably hypothetical at this stage, and may always will be.

Nobody yet has a full set of MS70 silvers, with or without PGP. (even if not including the s2 half, for a 4 coin set - and the highest grade I know of for one of those s2's is only MS68, unless someone else has graded a 69 ... I know there isnt a 70).

2BTC for a tenth is about right at today's prices, I paid more for an MS70 tenth and I will not pay a premium for ANACS again.  I have acquired a few ANACS coins that are definitely not worth the grade.  Maybe we should all post high quality pictures of our MS70s so everyone can see for themselves.

I saw an ms 70 tenth on ebay but the price is too rich for my blood.
http://m.ebay.com/itm/MS70-2013-Casascius-0-1-BTC-Silver-Physical-Bitcoin-ANACS-PERFECT-Loaded-/191769173491?nav=SEARCH

You would sell your MS70 tenth for 2 ? I would buy it

Just start resubmitting your coins to ANACS...bound to get some 70s that way. I have coins that got MS-67 last year and in 2013...I am sure they would get 69/70 now.

Anacs are certainly grading higher than they did previously. But I have only had 1 resubmitted coin gain a 70.

 
For full disclosure, I paid 3BTC when the price per BTC was around $230.  2BTC is currently worth more in fiat but I don't need the fiat right now.  I'll be selling this for less BTC than I paid but I'm hoping for more fiat value when that happens(years from now).  Even with the quality, it's still a casascius and I'm not complaining about having casascius, just the disappointing\mismatching grades from ANACS.

Can someone pm me details on how to get.my coin graded? Sadly I'd be shipping it from Canada. .

Anyone know of cryptos that received a ANACS PROOF (PF/PR) rating other than those few Titan gold coins from a while back?

I have only got HC / DCAM if any superlative has been added.

Not a superlative in this case... PF replaces the MS to designate a proof coin.  Ref these here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=675359.msg9389288#msg9389288

edit: there is also this: http://www.anacs.com/Populations/CertVerification.aspx?cert=4701050

Here is one that I got:
https://i.imgur.com/UAjZLyi.jpg

Of course it is ...

So ... I have a titan gold, given a 69, but not designated as a proof ...

Proof is a method of manufacture. A coin is either a Business Strike (intended for circulation and designated with MS) or Proof (made for collectors and designated as PF). Once a Proof coin, always a Proof coin. Even a circulated Proof coin will have a PF grade.


That's weird... You would think ANACS would either designate a certain coin as Business Strike or Proof and stick with it. Strange that they aren't consistent with the Titans.

My titan gold is also 69 and not a proof coin.. IIRC it is DCAM though. Just MS-69  :(

There are two series from 2011...series 1 are the error coins. Series 2 are corrected, no error, and significantly more rare.

Yeah the 2011 mintage numbers are something like 6000 series 1 "errors" and 500 series 2 corrected. But sale prices are around 2-3x higher for the first run error coin. Goes to show us coin collectors are a little nutty...

2013 Brass half VOID coin cert # 4365589

Looks like they just tossed it in with the regular ones :-[ I attached a pic to show the description so we can track these also!


https://i.imgur.com/CwIUE6W.jpg

NICE! I updated the table to show the growth over the past two weeks...

Cert numbers that show all token grades by year--
2011: 4909059 (25BTC)
2012: 4616313 (10BTC)
2013: 4603809 (10BTCw/ wrong year)
2015: 4630082 (Cas Bowl coin)