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I don't really understand why "fraud prevention" or whatever would have to be involved at all. It seems like a line to just buy some time. I have never used FJ, but sites I have used(like just-dice), have almost instant, if not instant withdrawals.

It is normal for gambling sites to double-check everything to make sure the huge wins are legit, but from what I heard and read, it usually just take a day or two on the other sites. A month ago, a lucky player has won 500 btc on Bitdice and his withdrawal has been delayed for 24 hours https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1273407.msg13137790#msg13137790.

Wow 84 bitcoin congrats! What a lucky guy! Its not small amounts right??Wherever place you gamble in online casino and made a huge amounts to withdraw it necessary to check up to make sure there is nothing wrong or abusing their system that's normal. And I wish it makes sense now  :D.

Yea like I said, I understand them checking up, I just really want to spend my money that I won lol

Well firstly well done if you did actually win that amount of bitcoin. I can tell you that it should not take nowhere near that long - ten days from now is crazy and i dont believe it, maybe 3 or 4 at most  :o Something is ringing bells to me if im honest. As you want it to be open and provide evidence, would you be so kind to actually provide some because so far you have not its just words. If you could take a screen shot of your deposits and withdrawals from said site and the pending withdrawal that will be enough evidence to get noticed.

And that's normal too  :D , someone who just won a big money desire to spend it immediately and worry about the pending withdrawal situation I know it  :D
What stuff the first thing would you buy with that mate? A new car? A new wife? Lol

I could understand a 24 hour check to make sure you didn't abuse any site flaws.

But a 10 day wait sounds like they are just stalling for time. Would like to see FortuneJack respond here and post proof of a wallet showing they have funds to payout these amounts.

I inserted proof in my initial post for you!

I could understand a 24 hour check to make sure you didn't abuse any site flaws.

But a 10 day wait sounds like they are just stalling for time. Would like to see FortuneJack respond here and post proof of a wallet showing they have funds to payout these amounts.

I inserted proof in my initial post for you!



Well first I want to pay off my current car ($22k loan), and then I have a good amount of money to put on a down payment for a house. That's my main goals right now.

A little bit jealous when I see the screenshot your balance showed 86k mbtc too daaamn high amount to see in a live casino table for me .
uhhh ohhhh you are too daamn lucky , btw are you play only in live casino there? Which game do you think you earned most of these 86btc? Just curious how you made this incredible thing  :D
Pay off loan always sucks to do , but it a must  :D . well congrats on your winning and wish fortunejack process your withdrawal smoothly and soon . also interested to wait fortunejack reply to this thread and speak some words here .

Typically I have seen a 24 hour review in these type situations when the player comes forward and inquires with support.  Prior to the inquiry I have seen it go 3-5 days.  Very nice win and Fortune Jack is a trusted place to play so you should get your coin. 

I don't really understand why "fraud prevention" or whatever would have to be involved at all. It seems like a line to just buy some time. I have never used FJ, but sites I have used(like just-dice), have almost instant, if not instant withdrawals.

Do you use any particular strategy when you play live or online roulette? Or do you just pick numbers that you feel are lucky?

I'm normally too big of a pussy to pick straight up numbers and go for black/red and even/odd

I pick numbers when I feel lucky or when I feel like throwing away money after winning a lot.

Primarily I do the sets of 3, where I'll just try picking ones that haven't been recently called. I'll also do black/red and even/odd occassionally.

Honestly I thought I was just going to walk out with 6 BTC because I had 10 BTC riding on all combinations for the #1. It was a throwaway. Until I won. Then I freaked out lol

I basically only play roulette. I've tried some of the other games (like blackjack/dice), but the one where I feel the "luckiest" would have to be roulette which is why it's the main thing I play.

It probably started because I won $4k at an actual casino I went to for my friend's 21st birthday. I was playing roulette there as well and kept making good calls. You lose a lot in one bet with the style that I play, but if you win, it pays off big time. Plus, after I win back my initial investment I already feel confident doing crazy high risk bets haha

I pick numbers when I feel lucky or when I feel like throwing away money after winning a lot.

Primarily I do the sets of 3, where I'll just try picking ones that haven't been recently called. I'll also do black/red and even/odd occassionally.

Honestly I thought I was just going to walk out with 6 BTC because I had 10 BTC riding on all combinations for the #1. It was a throwaway. Until I won. Then I freaked out lol

Since it was such a large amount, FJ had to approve it

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Just thought I'd ask if anyone else has ever experienced, and if it's a common practice for every online casino to do.

Unfortunately, lots of places do it because they know that if you can't withdraw you will probably be tempted to play some more, but it is borderline scammy behavior. Any reputable casino should allow you to withdraw your winnings whenever you want them.

Obviously nobody is going to keep their whole bankroll online, available for instant withdrawal, but there's no reason not to keep enough available online to service reasonable withdrawals.

At Just-Dice for instance we have a bankroll worth around $1.5M but only have coins worth something like $40k available for instant withdrawal. If you win more than $40k's worth you'll need to wait for up to 12 hours for the hot wallet to be refilled.

Unfortunately, lots of places do it because they know that if you can't withdraw you will probably be tempted to play some more, but it is borderline scammy behavior. Any reputable casino should allow you to withdraw your winnings whenever you want them.

Obviously nobody is going to keep their whole bankroll online, available for instant withdrawal, but there's no reason not to keep enough available online to service reasonable withdrawals.

At Just-Dice for instance we have a bankroll worth around $1.5M but only have coins worth something like $40k available for instant withdrawal. If you win more than $40k's worth you'll need to wait for up to 12 hours for the hot wallet to be refilled.

Wow, congrats on your huge win!
Anyway, FJ could be doing fraud inspection, or they are holding your BTC in hopes that you will gamble it and lose it, so they don't have to pay you. It shouldn't take too long though, probably 2 days at most.

So from what I gather it shouldn't take more than 48h. FJ support said this process "normally takes up to 10 business days", so I don't know how long it will take.

All I know is if this is how it's going to be any time I win big I don't know if I will stay here. I really like their site but being accused of fraud and having 2-3 weeks between winnings isn't in my best interests.

If it does go through within 48h, then I might reinvest and play their games again and recommend it to everyone.

I'm already lined up for a couple interviews so I could probably get them some publicity but if it's gonna be this unreasonable I'm not gonna recommend it.

Thanks for the help guys I appreciate it.

Take it easy man, if this is your first time winning this big then it is normal but the second and the next time you win big from here then they will process your withdrawal as fast as possible. I believe you are not using any fraud ways to win so just take it easy and relax because eventually they will release the withdrawal

From the OP, this is not his first time winning big. He won over 20 btc "last week or the week before" and received the bitcoin "within a couple days". He won another 14 btc a few days later and "withdraws were approved immediately".

Don't be worry about this pending withdrawal if that fair and you didn't cheated the casino than you'll get paid for sure because fortunejack is legit casino so they will process your request as it is they will complete the investigation about this huge winning, congrats mate for this incredible winning.

I actually means big win over 50 btc withdrawal, someone withdrawed alot before and got the same problem , eventually if he is clean then there is nothing to be afraid of sonce fortunejack will pay his player, this all is just for precautions anyway

How could you cheat a casino? House edge is house edge and the only possible chance is to find some bug in their software. FJ are legit... until they can't come with 50BTC for 10 days.

they will pay you for sure , but as many people said they are reviewing your bets to see what happened or maybe they are buying coins
as I see you did your bet on the live roulette , so there is nothing shady about your winnings so probably you bankrupt them and they are preparing for the big payout  ;D
congrats for your winnings , you literally killed it with your luck

You have have the world's best beginners luck then. Its crazy betting 6 BTC on a single bet and winning 86 BTC.

Congrats and share your secrets.

Congrats on winning 84 btc, you are a very lucky man. i've seen fortunejack paying out 150+ bitcoins wins, i'm sure once they have checked everything they will process your 84 btc withdrawal. :)

U probably get the btc but this no make it less shady fortunejack is ok site but many know they lie about numbers to make himself look better. the site unlike trusted casino hide their bankroll which is why is best play at public bankroll site so it is easy for player to know solvency. Now that u make it public they pay you otherwise outcome may be different. Anyone play at site without public bankroll is taking bigger risk. If anyone say otherwise u either stupid or shill.

Huge wins man ,really nice to see people hitting it hard on to the edge.
Yes, most of the casino's either offline or online will hold the money for the inquiry and the legit one's release it to the winner once proven innocent or none bugs turn out.

First, let me congratulate you for your good luck. Checking some pages back in the FortuneJack thread, this is not the first time they delay user withdrawal for many days. In https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=774929.msg10817854#msg10817854 an user reported waiting for 4-5 days for her withdrawal, and 4 days later in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=774929.msg10857846#msg10857846 FortuneJack said she will receive all the money "by the end of the week". So the good news is, this is not the first time FJ doing this and it worked well last time.

You recieved your winning ?  :o i cant believe it. huge amount.

well from your story im pretty suprised what you won with your starting amount and as they are proffesional and they wont just give you money (i dont know if you heard about hufflepuff) so i think its normal that they check everything about your bets and check that you didnt find a way to bypass the system :) give them some time and as soon they verify that all is legit they will w/d your funds :)
regards.
-Katerniko1

And hufflepuff? Who or what was that?

To make it short so that you don't have to hear the same thing over and over from sig spammers, someone who managed to abuse a bug and withdraw over 2k BTC from PrimeDice(A bitcoin dice site)

I played live roulette. There's absolutely no way to cheat that. It's a video stream.

How does that affect me though?

I played live roulette. There's absolutely no way to cheat that. It's a video stream.

Hufflepuff did withdraw automatically without any security checking in the end he/she proven cheated.

We were highly skeptical of his winnings and were forced to hold his cashouts time and time again to investigate and each time our developers could not find any wrong-doing.

There's no point in even running a casino if you are not sure everything works as it should.

Would you like it if you lose ~90 BTC because a dev of yours messed up?

And hufflepuff? Who or what was that?

Hufflepuff did withdraw automatically without any security checking

Most online casinos have terms built in that they only pay out so much per week/month. Some online casinos have ridiculous terms built in as such they will only pay out $500/week.

Congratulations on this huge win, the 10 days would probably be a maximum turnaround time.  With the holiday season as well this could have raised the standard time a few days.  I really hope this all goes smoothly for you and well done again that is a great win.

If it is fortunejack then you can be sure that everything will goes smoothly . If the OP has not win by using any means of fraud then there is no reason to be scare about this because if he is proven clean then fortunejack will release the withdrawal to OP after they check those huge winning

Yea I don't think I'll have any issues. I just want the money I won.

I guess it makes sense though. I looked up that hufflepuff person as someone mentioned and that's crazy. I understand they want to be cautious, but still, it was live roulette. There's no way for me to know the outcome. I was just really lucky.

I'll let you all know when it comes through.

Who is to say you did not find a bug that you could abuse to "predict" the results(as it happened with huffelpuff, if you're interested). They are free to take their time, PD too took many days to find out the "bug" but unfortunately never could, I guess FJ is being extra-cautious

If they are going to pay you out all at once then I would have no problem waiting their 10 business days to let them conclude and investigation on a large win. Yes because it was on the live roulette which is why it might take even longer. They probably want to contact the provider of those games and also have them do a full review and investigation.

You should be very lucky if they make the payout all at once. Most online casinos have terms built in that they only pay out so much per week/month. Some online casinos have ridiculous terms built in as such they will only pay out $500/week. Hopefully while your payout is on review they have flushed the withdrawl to the point that you cannot reverse it and continue playing with the balance. If so, I suggest you disconnect your internet and computer until the investigation is complete. To many times over the years I've heard of gamblers hitting very large wins, reversing the withdrawls and losing everything while waiting for the payout to be completed.

If the results of the investigation ethandelong not cheating if she will get compensation? such as bonus
because of course he felt uncomfortable with this condition to follow the rules must wait 10 days meant he spent time in vain

In ten business days bitcoin could be halved. You never know. They shouldn't take that long given the volatility of BTC. Bitcoin could also go up as well making win even sweeter. This is the real gamble waiting on such a large amount  :D

allow me to study with you.
big win . congratulations sir !

What i am saying is if you need 10 days to check if your site is working as intended then something is clearly not right. I understand the need to check everything to make sure all was fair but this cant take so long because im certain they have already checked everything prior to this win also. And i stand by what i say'd, if a casino doesn't believe in the quality of their own service, then there is no point in even being in business.

Yeah 10 days is a bit too much in my opinion, something like that should not take more than 2 days. If i had to wait those 10 days for that much money, I wouldn't be able to sleep I think...

Hi
well done on the Big win
i think you will get your winnings as they have plenty of BTC in there wallets
see this https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/FortuneJack.com

Sites like this can not afford and issues with wins like this
so they will take there time and check things  are 100 % before any payout is made.

Yeahhh , fortunejack already paid kweniboo worth 160+ btc for win in their slot previously. And their hot wallet as you said above contains over 100 btc it means they are ready to pay off just the matter of time.
Just be patient and don't worry, fortunejack are one of trusted bitcoin gambling site and they Wouldn't ruin their reputation for case like this.

You should've cashed out in little amounts (but then you couldve gotten banned)

Yes, they usually take this long. Fj has a relatively small wallet, nearing 150 BTC. If you happen to win more than half of that, it'll be a huge hit against them. They're either trying to find an excuse or quadruple checking the leitimacy of your bets.

Did you win through skill, or luck?

i think you will get your winnings as they have plenty of BTC in there wallets
see this https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/FortuneJack.com

I wonder how accurate it is. I put one of the addresses of my wallets in and it seems to have linked it with MtGox and 40k BTC (?!) when in reality the wallet (only) has 28.09 BTC.

Man, just fill scam accusation already. 3 weeks are 3 weeks. Scam accusation will put some pressure on FortuneJack. They are getting out of line.

If they don't pay him out then they're effectively finished here.

They have a choice - pay him the 84 bitcoin & continue running a trusted site & make profits for an unlimited time

Or

Scam him & pretty much end their business with a destroyed reputation over 84 bitcoin.

For the above reason I'm confident they'll pay him out.

If they don't pay him out then they're effectively finished here.

They have a choice - pay him the 84 bitcoin & continue running a trusted site & make profits for an unlimited time

Or

Scam him & pretty much end their business with a destroyed reputation over 84 bitcoin.

For the above reason I'm confident they'll pay him out.

Maybe there's a third option: come up with a semi-convincing story about how OP cheated.

He played "live roulette", which generally means FJ paid some third-party company to spin a roulette wheel and broadcast video of it happening, while FJ took bets on the outcome. I don't know what assurance FJ have that the company spinning the wheel is broadcasting it live rather than with a 60 second delay. Such a delay would give them plenty of time to place bets on the number that already came up.

I guess this kind of cheating is what they are worried about, but I've no idea how you would go about proving or disproving it. I expect you just have to trust the third-party video feed provider that they won't play against you, felay the feed, use an unbalanced wheel, etc. Provable fairness cuts both ways.

Since it was such a large amount, FJ had to approve it, but within a couple days it was good to go, and I was very happy with it.

Maybe there's a third option: come up with a semi-convincing story about how OP cheated.

He played "live roulette", which generally means FJ paid some third-party company to spin a roulette wheel and broadcast video of it happening, while FJ took bets on the outcome. I don't know what assurance FJ have that the company spinning the wheel is broadcasting it live rather than with a 60 second delay. Such a delay would give them plenty of time to place bets on the number that already came up.

I guess this kind of cheating is what they are worried about, but I've no idea how you would go about proving or disproving it. I expect you just have to trust the third-party video feed provider that they won't play against you, felay the feed, use an unbalanced wheel, etc. Provable fairness cuts both ways.

maybe their still raising funds to pay the 84 BTC payout. a big wake up call not to withdraw big amount in one go,

Maybe there's a third option: come up with a semi-convincing story about how OP cheated.

He played "live roulette", which generally means FJ paid some third-party company to spin a roulette wheel and broadcast video of it happening, while FJ took bets on the outcome. I don't know what assurance FJ have that the company spinning the wheel is broadcasting it live rather than with a 60 second delay. Such a delay would give them plenty of time to place bets on the number that already came up.

I guess this kind of cheating is what they are worried about, but I've no idea how you would go about proving or disproving it. I expect you just have to trust the third-party video feed provider that they won't play against you, felay the feed, use an unbalanced wheel, etc. Provable fairness cuts both ways.

I believe 99% fortunejack will pay ethandelong . just it.
Have you played at fortunejack before on live casino? You can chat the dealer and say hi or ask whatever you want to ask and they will answer immediately . so there is no way to cheated or delayed video stream 60 secs as you said I think.

Hey everyone, just wanted to update to let you know I received my 84 BTC.

Thank you FJ for approving my win and boosting your credibility as a reliable online BTC casino!

Thanks for all of your support guys!

Hey everyone, just wanted to update to let you know I received my 84 BTC.

Thank you FJ for approving my win and boosting your credibility as a reliable online BTC casino!

Thanks for all of your support guys!

Hey everyone, just wanted to update to let you know I received my 84 BTC.

Thank you FJ for approving my win and boosting your credibility as a reliable online BTC casino!

Thanks for all of your support guys!

Congratulations to you. This really proves that FortuneJack is a very good casino, although, they did take some time to probably verify a few things but still they showed that they're legit and professionals, which is commendable.

Maybe you should now share with us some of the strategies, play tips so we can maybe try our luck and win too? :)

Hey everyone, just wanted to update to let you know I received my 84 BTC.

Thank you FJ for approving my win and boosting your credibility as a reliable online BTC casino!

Thanks for all of your support guys!

Hey everyone, just wanted to update to let you know I received my 84 BTC.

Thank you FJ for approving my win and boosting your credibility as a reliable online BTC casino!

Thanks for all of your support guys!

Hey everyone, just wanted to update to let you know I received my 84 BTC.

Thank you FJ for approving my win and boosting your credibility as a reliable online BTC casino!

Thanks for all of your support guys!

Hey everyone, just wanted to update to let you know I received my 84 BTC.

Thank you FJ for approving my win and boosting your credibility as a reliable online BTC casino!

Thanks for all of your support guys!

Hey everyone, just wanted to update to let you know I received my 84 BTC.

Thank you FJ for approving my win and boosting your credibility as a reliable online BTC casino!

Thanks for all of your support guys!

Glad to see you receive payment FortuneJack definitely pay if you play fair, such as the user previously won with higher numbers
but I still wonder how you play, whether you have vidio when you play casino?
so we can understand how you play  ;D

BIG WIN ! Congrat Sir  :D
Give me 0.5% hahaha : :-*

He was playing roulette, had some odd number of BTC and wanted to make it a nice round number, so he put the 'odd' amount all numbers 1 and 0, expecting to lose, and number 1 came in. No skill involved, just dumb luck.

UPDATE:

I received my 84 BTC from FortuneJack (1/12/2016) after they verified the win. Thanks for all of the support guys!

And thank you to FJ for keeping your word and ensuring that you're a reputable casino!

What the. Your so lucky 84 btc!!! you will be rich here in my country.. if you hold that large amount of btc or you are a millionaire.
Congrats what would you do with your btc now?

Well first I want to pay off my current car ($22k loan), and then I have a good amount of money to put on a down payment for a house. That's my main goals right now.

UPDATE:

I received my 84 BTC from FortuneJack (1/12/2016) after they verified the win. Thanks for all of the support guys!

And thank you to FJ for keeping your word and ensuring that you're a reputable casino!

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TO BEGIN: This is NOT a thread against FortuneJack, which is why I left their name out of the title. This is just my experience right now, and I'm writing about it to get some feedback and keep myself occupied while they do their "fraud investigation". If they are honest, then I have absolutely no fear of losing my winnings because I did not commit any type of fraud. I just want to be able to spend my winnings, and I want to have evidence of this entire process while it goes on.

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Hey guys, I'm pretty new to the online BTC gambling world, but I've gotten insanely lucky so far and I'm enjoying it.

So I went to this site called FortuneJack, and I started my first time betting a little bit of BTC. After playing around, I started winning.

My first "big" win last week or the week before was over 20 BTC. I actually had it up to 35 BTC at a point, but I gambled away 15 of it and withdrew 20.

Since it was such a large amount, FJ had to approve it, but within a couple days it was good to go, and I was very happy with it.

A few days later, I started playing again (I believe I started with like 3.4 BTC), and ended up winning 14 BTC that day (I withdrew 6 and 8 as I kept playing to make sure I kept my winnings). These withdraws were approved immediately, without any issues.

Last week, I went in again, this time starting with 0.19 BTC. I was doing a variety of small bets as well as all-in bets, and I managed to get it up to 16 BTC with really awesome luck and very high risk bets.

So, I decided that 6 BTC would be enough (since I was very happy with that already), and decided to put a "MAX" bet on #1. I also put some money on the "0" because it always lands on 0 when I forget to bet, and then I lose everything.

So, the game goes, and it lands on #1! I didn't realize what happened at first and kinda thought I lost, but then after looking for a second I realized what happened and freaked out. I was up to over 86 BTC overall!!

I immediately went to withdraw 84 BTC because I didn't want to spend it, and kept the >2 BTC to bet with, which I ended up losing. Good thing I withdrew the 84, right? Well now I'm not so sure, because it doesn't approve immediately. It just says "PENDING". I messaged FJ and after several hours finally got a response, and they said everything would be pushed back after 48h and they would proceed (due to New Years), which made sense. So I got in touch with them again today to check on the status, and apparently I raised flags with their fraud team, which I understand it's a large amount of money, but apparently it's going to take 10 business days minimum for anything to check out. That means I won't see anything at the very earliest by 1/18. I was really looking forward to paying off my car and looking into business ventures, getting pre-approved for mortgages and proceed with life, but this puts everything on hold again.

I'm writing this in part because I want there to be some evidence of this happening, and being so new to the online gambling world, I am extremely sketched out now because I never heard of a casino "holding payments". And having me be accused for fraud is very insulting / upsetting. I know if FJ is honest that I will get my winnings soon enough, and I really hope they keep to their word, but it's still such a buzz kill. That's something that I didn't think could ever happen.

Again, I'm not bashing them in any way or challenging their credibility. They have already payed out 34 BTC to me (and I've deposited nearly half that), so I don't doubt their abilities. The last time I wasn't up for "fraud inspection" though, so I'm a bit worried now.

Just thought I'd ask if anyone else has ever experienced, and if it's a common practice for every online casino to do.

Inserting proof below. You can see the "Last Win: 79800.00mBTC" and my "Balance: 86217.00mBTC" plus the withdraw on the second image for "84 BTC" which is still "PENDING".

https://i.imgur.com/vUIHMjH.png

https://i.imgur.com/qFW1IcI.png

This is what I have been constantly telling you about fortunejack. They are honest and will always honor all withdrawal, your withdrawal is really huge and trigger their system so they require some manual check before sending you the balance. In the end if nothing wromg then they will send your winning, this is what Ive been telling you since the very start of you making this post

they are run signature campaign since a long time and always pay on time and looks like all of your problem was resolved already

If I read the post correctly, OP actually has done a max bet on #1 and some amount on #0. Considering that he has ~16 btc before the bet and ~86 btc after and he should get x36 back for the bet, that max bet seems to be exactly 2 btc.