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Hey gamblers, id like to ask you all a question.

I like betting on dice. I know it's bad, but I do. But I've seen a pattern with my losses. I'm not saying that the dice site in playing on is rigged, in just annoyed that this keeps happening to me.

I like to bet manually. On 50%. When I bet low, like 0.001 a roll, I make profit. Then I get a little cocky and bet 0.1. I lose straight away. This keeps happening to me!

Not all Dice websites are fear some have a huge house win percentage. So far I was only lucky with fake money in a game. The few times I tried Dice for amounts of Satoshi I lost at the end of the run.

I've seen the same thing in all casino games. Especially blackjack

A trend I see in dice is sometimes you get 5 losses followed by 5 wins or similar patterns. Not saying its rigged either just weird.

This happens to me as well whenever i bet small i win, when i bet large i lose. recently i was betting with .001 btc i won like 6 times in a row then after few loses i started betting .01 i lost 8 times in row and my bank roll kept going down(lost around .3 btc). >:(

It's just variance and nothing much towards rigid or legitimacy.The pattern you are speaking about is pretty normal and many times you can also win those cocky bets ,it's just you need to test it to that level to get the understanding.

Yes,It happens with me too many times while I am on dice sites.
We get green many times in row when we bet with lower amounts.
Got excited and bet higher btc, many reds and loose everything and back to pavilion again.

yes it ever happened to me, when I play C75% with base bet 0.001BTC I can read the pattern and make a good profit, but when I raise it became 0.01BTC, a pattern that changed and I am more and more to lose.

Unfortunately ,this how "provably fair " works .You cannot expect a winning roll based on your previous wins,which means the dice is completely random.Its a good thing in a way! You can always set your winning chances to 90% and play with higher rolls.

That is strange to see op when only on low bet amount and losing on big amount on dice site, would you like to share with us that dice site where you are getting this kind of result?

I know it can look like that sometimes. That is most likely why people are sure they have a system. We would like to assume that none of these casinos are crookerd. Most of it is all down to luck and with the numbers being random we can only put something like this down to being unlucky when we raise our bets

Yes yes i ever experience the same, when i bet small i keep on winning and then i got carried away and try big bet and i lose few times in a row if i am not mistaken its 5 times in a row, I thought it just coincidence so i am not really pay attention to it

ı can't never see any user win for dice always lose..

I have also observed this thing on many dice site that whenever I kept my betting amount lower the winning streaks were more constantly appearing whereas on higher amount the ratio between green and red streaks was totally other way.I think it normal to see all this.

Well,that's not really a way dice is played based on your past winning patterns.No matter how much try,only in the next roll a random event will be triggered .It all depends on the probability of winning you set on the number of odds.Try setting a win chance with 98% wins and 1.2 odds,trust me you win as there are very few chances of losing like 2%.

But then what's the point? With a 98% win chance, your wins are miniscule, and when you finally lose, your loss will stack up alot higher than the tiny wins.

It is random, I agree, but it just so happens that we lose when we roll high.

Its random on the well established dice sites most likely. You'd need to keep a record and post up some sample sizes in order for us to determine with math if you are on a likely rigged site or not.

like ALLL the time :) small bets = profit get greedy and raise bets = Busted..
regards.
-Katerniko1

I don't see it strange may be dice sites work this way but I also experienced these things in rolling dice that even at high winning percentage with high amounted bet the streaks change the pattern of coming out.I think the amount of the placed bet also play some role on the result.

I have see another person who make a bet with max chance and bet with roll high he just get lost in dice site. I think no matter you use max chance or low chance to win the roll is random, This gambling however you win or lost if you're not lucky so take the risk  ;)

Dice sites are crazy, I have only recently used them but have stopped now as it is far too easy to lose your BTC on a click and then if you stick on the auto mode which many have you could come back to zilch.

i was not so often playing dice but i think that's a bit strange because i had experience lost 6 times in a row when i did play dice but your case never happen to me but i think you should change your dice site and i'm  pretty sure you will be different result if you change it

I also have, in fact always experienced when gambling, I think it's all been programmed so that the site was profitable, but I'm still puzzled by people who successfully beat xcript the game, whether they are cheaters, or their ability is great, who knows  :D

I only trust and use prime dice myself. Had varying degrees of luck. it's ok. ;)

yeah dice games always makes you lose specialy when you just win something then you get greedy and the house take it all

In dice games, the house always wins. Period. Whenever I forget that fact, I lose money just like you.

Well, you are actually talking about rigged bets here. That is impossible with provably fair system working correctly. I  rather think this biased judgement is based on your gambler's fallacy.
You are losing the same way if you are betting low - you just don't notice this. And the moment you increase you bet amount and you lose you remember this clearly and think it is not coincidence.
(While in reality it is pure game of chances).

haha it's true, I've ever experienced. but I do not know it's just a feeling less fortunate or is there something strange with probably fair.

Yeah elaborate which site it happened so we can try it too.
I for one will make as many 0.001 as I can, before they undo it.

Seriously, it's a weird thing and it should be tested out by more person so we know it's real.

I think it's just a cop out of the mind thinking that after all those good bets with smaller quantities, and losing on a single bet with a bigger quantity, the system must be rigged. It has happened to me before. Also check that the site doesn't actually give a less fair edge to you if bet more.. it shouldnt be the case tho, usually it's the same % for any amount being bet.

i think you are just imagining it because when you play a lot of games it is possible that some small patterns happen in your game, i wouldnt pay too much attention to that as it will most probably not means anything more than a coincidence

Not being a gambler, I'd like to see evidence of what you're talking about.   Yes the rolls should be random, but it wouldn't surprise me if some of these casinos were in fact rigged.

If the site is legit this shouldn't happen. However I think this happened to many of us in different areas, it's Murphy's Law basically hehe. Either way, I would advise you bet for fun and entertainment, bet what you can afford to lose (consider it gone the minute you bet it) and stay away from Dice sites really.

i dont think that the reputable casinos that are out there would risk their reputation to rig some bets and make only a few coins out of that, most probably they would better just scam people and run away with money

Yes I noticed this also. I seem to think that the site keeps track how much BTC you have in your account that when you bet like 10x the usual the odds are in their favor, however this was impossible to prove.

It also happens to me. that is a usual way of losing it all.

oh wow thats a really bad thing if it is really happening, i now will be scared of playing casino games as i will be afraid that the rolls are rigged and the game might scam me, i hope this is not actually happening

such coincidences have never happened to me before im pretty sure, but i also dont pay a lot of attention to it so i guess i just dont see it, hopefully casinos dont just scam people with rigging bets

Happens to me all the time too, but i think it's all in our heads since we choose to ignore smaller bets and small losses, but remember big ones much better.
There's easy solution to this; just play provably fair games, and whenever you are in doubt - just check the losing roll.

It happens to me sometimes, but in the end it is just luck. You might have just gotten unlucky. Also, with big bets you tend to notice your losses more. Who cares if you lose a few cents? But when you get to dollars, it actually matters.

I would rather get more bang for my buck than just one roll
of the dice. I prefer sports cause it lasts 2-4 hours so you get
tons of entertainment opposed to 1 second roll of the dice

Not necessarily just dice but this happens to me on slot machines too. If you're playing with low stakes you get into the bonus. If you up your stake you genuinely just suck & lose it all.

It can't just be a coincidence.

What you said happens a lot to me. Sometimes it makes me think the site is rigged, e.t.c. Sometimes it's just chance, but when I go on a huge losing steak with 90% odds, I really feel like the site is cheating.

Dice game is killing your btc fast than holding your bitcoin and wait for the price increase.
Now you learn..

Yeah, but it's not very time effective now, is it ? I do like smaller bets, but betting on sports isn't really my thing; by the time your game ends,
i will be up and down with my stake 99 times, whereas you will only have the thrill of 1 shot. I would only do bets like you if the stake was really big.

agree with this guy...i never see a people get a high profit in gamble...maybe its just for a while...
and then lose it at all...
i think its alrdy the system in that dice machine...if no why the dice site still open until now?because the owner get profit and we get lose...

thats just how the human mind works, we tend to remember our big losses, and write off our wins like theyre nothing, especially when they're small wins like you described. unless they're record wins for you, chances are you're not going to remember them too well.

That seems about right... I used to gamble on mini jackpots, much like CSGOjackpot.com, but for Team Fortress 2. I gambled, won alot, and I can't remember what I won, but then I lost my $5000 item. I remember that, as clear as day...

Yeah I can't say that I don't feel like it doesn't happen to me as well. I stick to the most trusted dice sites for good reason. Can't say that I think they are rigged because most if not all can prove that each roll was fair. If you see a role that maybe was tampered with, check the provably fair system. Goodluck

Ive noticed thi already, and when I do I normally look for another place to bet and try it out to see if it does the same thing.

I've seen this happen to me before, and I have reason to say it was rigged. There was a gambling site I played on one once, and i thought it was great, because they had no house edge. But I looked into the provably fair system and it didn't show the server hash not the client hash. It only showed them as asterisks, and when you tried to verify the bet, there would simply be a pop-up saying "verified!"


Fishy...

Same thing happens to me that's why whenever I et profit I lost all my coins because of getting cocky and thinking I coul win bigger when I bet higwr. Thwre is indeed a pattern but I guess that is where the math that they are saying refer to. If you bet higher you will get a lower chance of winning.

it's just variance , the odds are the same if you bet one satoshi or 1 btc
you can check the guy who won 500btc in bitdice , this will prove that your amount of money doesn't affect the results
also I have survived many all ins when I used martinagle , and in the last bets I made more than both of what I lost and the base bet
if you believe in the site there is no reason to think about this thing

I`m asking myself same question "Is it possible that to happen all the time?". After few months of playing dices now I see why people say all this bad things about dices, they make me go crazy so many times that is fuckin unbelivable. What is the worst part in all that I like to play dices and I still do, but probably I will quit soon, cause loosing money there is starting to be to much for me.

yes i also ever wondering does the gambling site is cheating? does the provably fair is just decoration?

but after a while i think its just luck, so after few incidents like that i like to play a slow gamble game its mean bet on small amount

The opposite happens with me. Whenever I bet on a new day, I change the seed to my personal favorite(confidential) and then I bet hi. I win 80% of the times. Then i get cocky and then I bet a higher amount with lo on the same percentage of winning chance, and I win. After this my wins and losses are completely random. Its just luck, nothing else.

This happens to 99% of casino gambers which ever game you play, when you play small you will win mostly so that you get tempted and then starts the tricky game you start to play high in the start 1 2 games win but after that lossing streak starts and you see that your bankroll is zerooooo. 

once i tried my whole week signature payment on dice and same thing happened and i lost my bitcoin after that i just stopped it and just playing in sports betting.

It don't happen to me, but still i kept losing from dice. even when i just bet cents, I'm losing lol. Maybe I was just very unlucky to such game but I'm wining to some after learning to trade on secondstrade and with the use of a more sophisticated charting software and the indicators, it seem like working for me.  I may not earn thousands but sure I'm wining.

So why you dont stay at 0.001 again and again? you will get some profit although it is little but it still profit though. If you want to bet a lot you should make it using lower odds. This is almost guarantee win too. There is no different between 0.001 on 2x and 0.1 on 1.01 the result that you get will be 0.001 if you win so I think each of them is good to try rather than 0.1 on 2x

You could stop getting cocky and play safer.
When you win you could also just withdraw, take a break and continue to gamble after.

This never happened to me because I don't like to gamble on dice.

Seems to me you're just getting greedy when you start to win.

It's good to take breaks between winning though.

With dice yes of course is annoying.
That is why I am just playing with faucets with dice is.
I don't really like losing my money. Just don't play diced anymore I think that would be better choice.

I understand why this could be annoying as well. I can totally relate to this.
I think it has to do with a lot of greed that we have inside of us. We win some, raise our bets and then lose some again.

What happened to me playing dice most often I got a balanced ratio of positive/negative streaks regardless the amount of bet.I reached to think that first few rolls if you play good you have high chances to grab some good profit.I don't if others faced similar situation but usually including me many people just watch first few rolls to see how the streaks are coming out and when begin to place big then bust the bankroll.

I will say same like few people said that in my opinion amount of the bet plays a vital role in winning or loosing in dice games.Although everything is provably fair but somehow this has some sort of influence on the outcome.

It happens every now and then when I play dice. This is one of the reasons why I don't like to gamble on manual.
You can lose everything within a blink of an eye

yep most of the time when i feel too lucky i bet all in and after that bet I will lose , I guess thats how gambling site make profit because of greedy gamblers like us.

I get this all the time. It happens mostly when I start getting greedy, whenever I start to win I want to raise my bets but I end up losing instead. I might have to take some of the advice that have been given here. Taking a break after a couple of wins. It's harder to take breaks when you're set on manual and keep on winning.

the need to be more daring, playing dice, at least according to the experience the games live, the need to win the round makes you cheeky attitude to yourself , but in reality I have to think that happy bet is the one that bring good luck and change it away from luck and so on, though, but of course prevents the about the monotony and the desire to climb, where to be a loss of game concentration, I think so, though

There are many times I win when I bet small. When I start to bet big, losses keep coming in. It is strange as I do not know why this happens.

I also find trend in dice site like 2 low and 2 high pattern but when i change my bet after thinking this is the pattern then it will change. I have seen or won several time in a row as i keep on putting bet on high or low if i won 2 in a row. I think not probably fair dice site have pattern making player greedy with higher house win percentage.

I always experience that especially on primedice, i feel like im being cheated. but thats how the casino works. i always logout empty handed

I'm seeing these patterns on almost every site that I play on, I do not think all of these sites are rigged or something like that.
It's just variance, or bad luck. Happens to me in the opposite way too when I'm like losing 10 rolls in a row and then decide to bet big once and suddenly win everything back, but you won't hear me complaining then.

I try not to take these patterns serious, if a site is provably fair, you can just check it yourself if you know how.

This is not easy. Sometime people will think that after win some big money they think they have this luck with them for a while so they will just keep gambling until they lose all of their winning. May be for some people they can control their hunger of money but for other this is the time to revenge the house and recover all their lose here

You should learn on when to stop.
Once you start winning, let yourself play 2 or 3 more rounds and then stop.
Take a break and see what you can do 1-2 hours later.

This is why it's best to not gamble at all if you're just going to continue to play and lose it all anyway.
There's no point in gambling if you just keep on going and going.
It's either you stop when you're winning or don't gamble at all, or another option would be to learn yourself some self control.

First betting in dice is not bad till you keep it to reponsible gambling and unless you get addicted to it.
Now to answer you it's just luck (in case the site is provably fair).let me ask you when you bet low say 0.001 at 50% chance then do you always win?No,right? it's just that you do not bet much like 0.1 and tried 0.1 btc few times and lost so you think it's just keeps happening to you.The fact is outcome does not depend if the bet amount is low or high,it depends on luck.

Yes it happened to me just like it did to you.It is not just about higher winning chances of 95% or more, there is still something which change the green streaks ratio into red ones.A bet of higher amount even at higher winning chances goes different way in spite of 95% winning chances.

I totally agree with your statement, we need to more brave make bet . when we play bravely it often get surprised outcome (win).
But when we feel play on safe way and confident next bet will be our win it always ended lost which make us feel cheated actually it is not.

Thank good with Bitcoin we can know if the casino is scamming us or not. It should be easy to look at the code of the casino and audit it to know if you are just being paranoid or they are somehow exploiting your bets, but it's very rare that a decent casino is doing this because they wouldn't stay in business for a single day after the incident is revealed.

Not really. I went small bets a couple times and then lost 10 times in a row with bets below 0.001. There's no rule that if you bet low you'll win.

There are no patterns/strategies in gambling.

i guess its not so easy to do as i dont think that casinos would risk their popularity and rating to rig the bets as they have house edge which does not allow people to win big so they dont need to do it

I was wondering: isn't possible to cheat by creating fake Provably Fair system? Weren't the past any causes of Casinos including fake Provably Fair systems?
Of course I know it would be rather short timed ruse but still it would be a way to scam some people.

true, it also occurred to me while playing dice at some dice sites, and of course it makes me impatient to get the profit that much, and if it can not wait, I will lose and lose a lot of bitcoin :(

I agree with you.
IMO, because we play against a program that must be set to win the person who made it.

Yes, it would be possible, and has happened in the past such as in the case of 999dice which used a fake provably fair system, which eventually got exposed.
You can see the thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=948965

Usually, big casinos don't take this risk, as with an established userbase, they have more to gain in the long term by staying than by running with the money they received in a short time period.

if the gambling site was cheating you, they would have to be able to manipulate each individual bet and this cheating would be evident if the provably fair system check was done. if youre not seeing evidence of it, theyre not cheating, youre just biased to remember what you lost more than what you won.

Actually there were many sites doing that and were eventually caught.They are usually scam sites and popup every week with some new designs and 999dice is an active example for that.There is chance that some rolls in between are being set up but high popular sites might not risk it for such low amounts.

Most people think that robots / house playing with patterns, they guess and remember the pattern as in mineweeper,
Sometimes it works

Put a little less effort man, your reply to my post was HQ and fabulous. Robots remember the minesweeper's patterns! Oh hell yeah 8)

If this keeps on happening to you, why don't you try a different strategy?
This obviously doesn't work out that well for you.

I think any amount that you gamble away matters. I have a hard time winning with dice than with any other game I've gambled with. It's fun to play dice every now and then but it stops being fun when you keep on losing. If the strategy that the OP has is not working, and it keeps on happening, he should try some other strategy out.

Because this is probably what they are used to doing so they keep on doing it. That's how you get addicted.
They get used to a certain pattern and strategy to play. Even when it's not working they will keep on and continue to try.

This is just perception. May be not in your sites but other site have this kind of situation. There will be not same in every site that you played. I dont even know this is in their setting or just luck. I ever tried about this on dice game. When I click on lower the number is higher then I change it to higher again and the result is lower. I keep on playing this until my balance out never win even once. So how would you saying this?

You can do nothing to it. But i suggest you go to the reliable, trustworthy, lower house edge dice sites to play! Then you have lower chance of getting rigged.

Well that is why I don't really trust some online gambling you never know if they are cheating or not.
That is why I prefer in the real world casino. I know they are some online that you can trust, but is not that fun than in real life.

Well, i rarely gambling on dice sites. But i know that feels buddy. once we win we always predict that we will win again, especially when we got lose streak. so we go big, then boom. lose.

I think there are but it takes time and effort to find these out.
Which I don't want to spend my time doing so.
Whenever I gamble I wanna do it quick and for fun

If someone keeps doing this they are obviously addicted.
They should try to stay away from it if they are not changing any strategies

That happens with me all the time but I rarely play casino games anymore, it just seems as if winning on these games have actually become more difficult, which wasn't the case earlier. But since they're provably fair, it must be that our luck has gotten worse.

I think that with statistic law :) you have not reason...what I mean, in a short period frame also the unlucky/lucky streak could be "impossible" with a really low probability, but in the "long time" (or infinite time is better) statistics of the game go to 50% win/loss -1% (so far) house hedge.

I think that a sw can detect when a player play without "head" only to get back some money loss before, or try to win and "win" the pot... in this moment your 0.1 bet is clearly loss.

I don't gamble my money so I really don't know. Gambling sites mostly profit the owners and not the gamblers.
I prefer to stay away from gambling.

Looks like it is rigged:D But probably it is just statistics, so dont worry about scams.

luckily its never happen to me :)
i always playing dice with small bets i dont want to lose much
bad luck at that time friend, hope better luck next time ;)

All dice sites is rigged,  if  I made prerolls with low value 1 satoshi I win,when  I  bet with more bitcoin I lose.
If you want to make profit or play for fun play poker,lottery or sportsbettings.
Don't bet more than you can afford to lose.

Losing your money does not necessarily imply that the site is rigged. May be it is time for you to learn more about what "provably fair" is lol.

if you want to see a pattern in your losses you will always be able to do that as the betting is random and the patterns can happen all the time, i wouldnt pay a lot of attention to that

there is no might about it, popular sites like primedice will never risk it, period. they make enough off the small betters, and the high rollers usually check every single one of their bets because it doesnt inconvenience them. as for the small martingalers, theres no need for sites like them to risk anything.

Provably its not a scam is just an system error..

Yeah, like there is a pattern when you flip a coin, you will have 2 options heads or tails. The same is with gambling, don't try to explain a math behind it, many tried to find patters in bets or games.
Mathematics is uneatable, you can find sure way to beat the system of casino games, it is not some computer that you can hack if you spend long enough time on finding a backdoor.

System error? I have no idea what you are trying to say there. Back to OP's question, I have lost some bets after increasing my bet size, but I have also won some bets after increasing my bet size sometimes. After all, dice is all about luck, sometimes you have good luck sometimes you have bad luck.