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Please trade with this person with caution as I believe it is a scam attempt. I'm sure he will hit me with negative trust for this, but since I was recently scammed out of 5 BTC, I wouldn't feel right if I didn't say something.

I have copied our entire Skype chat below for all to draw their own conclusions. I just don't want anyone to loose BTC like I did. I did notice the thread is gone now  ::)

[1/11/16, 7:47:11 PM] Brandon Nicholson: This is thesmokngman from Bitcointalk
[1/11/16, 7:58:59 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: Ccliu Bitcoin has shared contact details with Brandon Nicholson.
[1/11/16, 7:59:04 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: Hello
[1/11/16, 8:36:06 PM] Brandon Nicholson: Hi there
[1/11/16, 8:37:01 PM] Brandon Nicholson: Since you're willing to take $250 per S5, what kind of deal would you be willing to make if I purchase all 7?
[1/11/16, 8:38:07 PM] Brandon Nicholson: Full disclosure I was working on a deal with Bitcoinbud for his Titan, but I'm still not sure if he is a legit seller yet as the replies have been a little slow.
[1/11/16, 8:38:51 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: You are willing to purchase the whole 7? Sure I can make a deal for you.
[1/11/16, 8:39:02 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: You live near Washington state?
[1/11/16, 8:39:29 PM] Brandon Nicholson: I thought you said you were in Washington DC?
[1/11/16, 8:39:44 PM] Brandon Nicholson: No I'm in Maryland
[1/11/16, 8:40:19 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: Yup im in DC.
[1/11/16, 8:41:28 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: Anyways, I am not sure about face to face pickup, I am not fully aware of the dangers of internet to be honest.
[1/11/16, 8:41:52 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: I was trying to look for someone very trusted on BitcoinTalk to give me a safety guarantee.
[1/11/16, 8:43:44 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: Would you be interested in shipping? I am sure its not that expensive considering our proximity and I can strike a deal for you if you are planning to buy the whole 7 in a long-run.
[1/11/16, 9:04:07 PM] Brandon Nicholson: Yes that's fine with me as I understand and feel the same way. Would you be willing to use OGnasty as escrow? If so how much for all 7 S5s with power supplies shipped to 20772?
[1/11/16, 9:07:06 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: Ok I will let you know, cause I was asked by ognasty who wanted to buy the antminers too
[1/11/16, 9:07:28 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: and if I get to deal with you because you offer a better price I don't want him to think anything wrong.
[1/11/16, 9:09:45 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: Is there another escrow like him donator status?
[1/11/16, 9:11:50 PM] Brandon Nicholson: The only other service I've used is escrow.com when I purchased 5 S5s from MarkAz
[1/11/16, 9:12:03 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: Another from BTCT i mean.
[1/11/16, 9:14:14 PM] Brandon Nicholson: No OGNasty seems to be the one that everyone's uses.
[1/11/16, 9:15:09 PM] Brandon Nicholson: I'm starting to think I may just purchase some S7s from Bitmain.
[1/11/16, 9:15:28 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: I also have S7 batch 3 for sale but as you wish man.
[1/11/16, 9:15:36 PM] Brandon Nicholson: I've already been scammed trying to buy a Titan
[1/11/16, 9:16:09 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: Yea, I've been scammed too trying to exchange BTC.
[1/11/16, 9:16:28 PM] Brandon Nicholson: And lost 5 BTC
[1/11/16, 9:16:35 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: Damn.
[1/11/16, 9:17:21 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: Sorry about that, well I either got S5 and S7 for sale. We can start off with a few so we get to trust each other, maybe even after that we can face to face trade.
[1/11/16, 9:23:24 PM] Brandon Nicholson: I can do that. How much are you selling your batch 3 for?
[1/11/16, 9:24:06 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: 2.8k USD
[1/11/16, 9:25:37 PM] Brandon Nicholson: Is that just for one?
[1/11/16, 9:26:27 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: 3.
[1/11/16, 9:26:58 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: Since you interested in purchasing via long-term from me I will give you good prices.
[1/11/16, 9:29:48 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: + shipping price, btw.
[1/11/16, 9:32:42 PM] Brandon Nicholson: That's a good price on the S7s. I would like to purchase them, but how about we start with one and use OGnasty for escrow.
[1/11/16, 9:33:26 PM] Brandon Nicholson: Once all goes well I'll purchase the other two and we can talk about the S5s
[1/11/16, 9:33:32 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: Let's use another but Ognasty lol... He asked me for the S7s for a lower price with shipping and I told him I would go back to him.
[1/11/16, 9:33:40 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: There must be another donator escrow.
[1/11/16, 9:33:49 PM] Brandon Nicholson: When are you leaving for Europe?
[1/11/16, 9:34:09 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: Why?
[1/11/16, 9:34:18 PM] Brandon Nicholson: Lol I didn't see you post anything about the S7s just S5s
[1/11/16, 9:34:30 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: It was via PM.
[1/11/16, 9:34:41 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: As I contacted you I contacted him.
[1/11/16, 9:34:55 PM] Brandon Nicholson: Just wondering so I know how long I have to come up with funds for the S5s and S7s
[1/11/16, 9:36:15 PM] Brandon Nicholson: Was just thinking about the S5s for $1,400, but now that you mention the S7s for 2,800 more
[1/11/16, 9:36:34 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: What about we start with the S5s, just a few of them...
[1/11/16, 9:36:56 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: I will give you a discount if as you are telling me, will purchase all of my stock..
[1/11/16, 9:46:28 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: I will ship you 2 S5s for 500USD, with Power supply included right away. Then we can do more of the S5s, and finaly the S7 batch.
[1/11/16, 9:49:28 PM] Brandon Nicholson: Ok. Let me think about it tonight and I'll send you a message tomorrow. I pay 0.094 a kWh, so my profit is only $30-40 a month on the S5s
[1/11/16, 9:49:43 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: On each? Not that bad.
[1/11/16, 9:50:51 PM] Brandon Nicholson: Given the halving coming up I would really like to go with S7s so I don't have to deal with the hassle of selling, because after the halving I will be mining at a loss on the S5s
[1/11/16, 9:51:20 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: You know I am in for selling you everything, but I think the amount of S7 is too much for our first trade.
[1/11/16, 9:55:03 PM] Brandon Nicholson: So are you selling the S5s for $250 each if I buy all 7, or just selling the first two at $250 each?
[1/11/16, 9:55:24 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: Well if you buying all I will give you a discount for all the purchase.
[1/11/16, 9:55:32 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: I will sell you them at 240USD each.
[1/11/16, 9:56:15 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: Thats for the first 2 just in case you decide not to buy the all the rest from me.
[1/11/16, 9:56:28 PM] Brandon Nicholson: Ok. Let me think about it tonight and I will send you a message tomorrow if it's a deal or not.
[1/11/16, 9:57:35 PM] Brandon Nicholson: So how much if I buy the other 5 from you? Just trying to get a total so I know how much I'm dealing with.
[1/11/16, 9:57:49 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: 225 each for the other 5.
[1/11/16, 9:58:58 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: 480+1125+2800
[1/11/16, 10:05:18 PM] Brandon Nicholson: Okay I will let you know tomorrow. Thanks!
[1/11/16, 10:06:06 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: Ok, will keep them for you just in case. I would love to have everything sold to the same person.
[1/11/16, 10:10:17 PM] Brandon Nicholson: So would I. Plus I like dealing local. Talk with you tomorrow!
[1/11/16, 10:19:51 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: Ok, see you !
[1/12/16, 9:13:43 AM] Ccliu Bitcoin: Hey, I am at work, but I can still use Skype here.
[1/12/16, 12:07:37 PM] Brandon Nicholson: K. Getting a late start as I had to work over night on a trouble call.
[1/12/16, 12:09:26 PM] Brandon Nicholson: I'm not sure whether I should proceed with the deal as none of the escrow people at BTC want to be a part of this deal. I guess our conversation threw up red flags to them as it being a scam.
[1/12/16, 12:10:35 PM] Brandon Nicholson: So unless we can meet up somewhere safe a secure for both of us, I'm afraid I will have to walk away from this deal. I'm sorry
[1/12/16, 12:11:44 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: Hi, how are you? I see, well I am fine with dividing the transaction of the S5s and S7s, into a few deals for our safety. I can ship 2 S5s right now when I leave work and if everything goes as planned we can meet up for the next deals. I´m not sure about face to face in our first encounteer, specialy because you´ve not been in the forum for long.
[1/12/16, 12:12:52 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: I think that's fair for both of us, I've been on the forum since late 2011 and have done quite a few transactions since then, that way we can build each others trust.
[1/12/16, 12:15:28 PM] Brandon Nicholson: I understand, but as I stated yesterday I was recently scammed for 5 BTC, so I'm not comfortable proceeding with the shipping option and me sending BTC directly to you, even though it is a small amount. Those 5 BTC where all I had managed to mine and buy, and I still haven't gotten over making that mistake.
[1/12/16, 12:16:34 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: I totaly understand, that's why Im simply stating a 1BTC transaction, i know its still a risk but you can see I've been a member for very long on the forum, and have been trusted with amounts since then. If you had any trust on this forum I would consider shipping or meeting with you.
[1/12/16, 12:16:49 PM] Brandon Nicholson: I've only managed to mine .6 BTC since then, so this deal would have to come from the money I earn from my paycheck and I can't afford to loose it again
[1/12/16, 12:17:13 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: I am not a wealthy guy to be honest, I work for a living and I have been scammed in the past too, I really loathe people who steal.
[1/12/16, 12:17:43 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: And im undergoin some financial trouble that's why I am wanting to sell all my equipment, so I really need a person to sell this too, specialy if we are neighbours.
[1/12/16, 12:17:48 PM] Brandon Nicholson: If you look in my profile you will see I have trust from two members who are active in the community MarkAz and Finksy
[1/12/16, 12:18:23 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: Yea, done some research. What do you say we do this 2 S5s transaction first, and we can later call each other and face to face deal for the rest?
[1/12/16, 12:19:03 PM] Brandon Nicholson: Your length of membership honestly doesn't mean security to me as you can buy BTC Talk accounts
[1/12/16, 12:19:37 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: Yea i'm aware of that, I could sign the BTC adress to proove, thats not the point.
[1/12/16, 12:19:47 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: All im saying is, we are both at the same position to be honest.
[1/12/16, 12:20:02 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: We both been scammed, we've trusted the wrong individuals.
[1/12/16, 12:20:41 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: Destiny made us approach each other, I hope we can deal and build a strong friendship out of this.
[1/12/16, 12:20:49 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: We both have same likes, and live near each other.
[1/12/16, 12:21:24 PM] Brandon Nicholson: I'm sorry. Unless we can meet face to face I'm going to have to walk away from the deal. I can create a wallet and transfer the BTC to it for the two S5s so we don't have to deal in cash when we meet and you can verify I have the funds before hand.
[1/12/16, 12:21:58 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: Sorry, I can't trust you with that. My integrity and safety is much more worthy than 480 USD.
[1/12/16, 12:22:35 PM] Brandon Nicholson: Ok. Have a good day and good luck with your sale!
[1/12/16, 12:22:53 PM] Brandon Nicholson: You have my skype information if you ever change your mind.
[1/12/16, 12:23:36 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: That's weird, you've traded someone for 6BTC and went first. That guy has 2 trust by then, so either you wanted to scam me or that trust is fake.
[1/12/16, 12:26:47 PM] Brandon Nicholson: I haven't traded anyone 6 BTC. The 5 BTC I lost was because the person sent me a link that I thought was to OGnastys escrow thread, but it was a redirect to a page he had created to look like OGnastys escrow thread, but with his wallet address. In my hurry to pay while I was in between work jobs, I failed to realize I had been redirected till he took the site down and it was then I noticed I had been redirected to another site that wasn't BTC Talk. So I was trying to use escrow, but was tricked into using the sellers wallet.
[1/12/16, 12:30:15 PM] Brandon Nicholson: You can see from the feedback MarkAz left me that we used escrow and I even released the funds after running the machines after 1 day vs the normal 3 days because I trusted Mark and I wanted him to get paid. What scammed do you know that does that? I work for Comcast so we can meet at any one of their payment centers in DC or even at a police station if it will make you feel any better.
[1/12/16, 12:31:15 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: I would like before we ever meet face to face, to perform a trade to ensure you are a potential buyer and a trustworthy person.
[1/12/16, 12:31:46 PM] Brandon Nicholson: But again short of meeting I will have to walk away from this deal. I will also have to post this information in your for sale thread so others are aware before they risk their BTC. Thank you
[1/12/16, 12:31:46 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: I do also have trust, if that's all the matter of point to you, that's why I offered a simply 1 BTC trade..
[1/12/16, 12:31:59 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: What do you mean?
[1/12/16, 12:32:15 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: I do not trust you to meet...
[1/12/16, 12:33:00 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: If you do I will negative trust you stating the same thing you said to me.
[1/12/16, 12:43:01 PM] Brandon Nicholson: That is fine with me. I will just post our Skype chat log so everyone can make a decision for themselves.
[1/12/16, 12:43:40 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: I just dont get your point, only because I refused to meet you IRL you consider me a scammer? Get your things straight kid.
[1/12/16, 12:43:58 PM] Ccliu Bitcoin: I am not sure if you a killer or whatever, you seem to be pretty odd to be honest.
[1/12/16, 12:44:33 PM] Brandon Nicholson: lol okay I’m done with this conversation. Have a good day!
[1/12/16, 12:52:32 PM] Brandon Nicholson: Also the same goes for you. you could be a killer or just wanting my address so you can break into my home and steal the miners that I currently have. it’s a two way street my friend.

As anyone can see I never refused to use Escrow, I asked a few time about any one like OGnasty since I am currently dealing with him and arranging a price for them. He then tried forcing me too meetup which was a bit weird for me, I was intending to do so but with trusted people not newcomers. I insisted on doing a trade first before meeting up, but still refused.. TWC.

Why would I give a neg trust? you are nothing but a waste of time.

This is why I dislike newcomers on the forums, if you don't agree with them they come with bullshit. They are all scammers, and do not recommend trading with them under any circunstance.

Wrong section.. Move the topic to Scam Accusations..

I am pretty sure OGNasty wouldn't care if you sold the miners to somebody else. But the way you were talking made it seems like you didn't want a face visit for some reason and wanted him to send you the BTC first.

Meet at a public place like a mall, if you are worried about being scammed.

OP, did you really get scammed out of 5 BTC? Ouch?

I never ever said I wanted the BTC first, I wanted safety for myself, didnt wana get kidnapped by some random dude. That's why I was looking for face to face with trusted, seeming impossible i agreed to shipping.

But you aren't going to get kidnapped by meeting at a police station. It's a really easy and safe option, and almost all municipalities are more than happy to let people that do online exchanges meet their as they know it'll provide safety for the people. Either use a trusted escrow like OGNasty because he's very professional and wouldn't mind, or meet at a police station. And I have to agree with adaseb, this does sound like a sketchy situation.

What's sketchy with being unsecure when dealing with someone face to face, escpecialy if they are not trusted... for real.

It isn't sketchy or unsecure when you meet at a police station. What's he going to do, kill all the police to get rid of the evidence that he tried to kidnap or scam you? For real...

My god... I just doxed OP and discovered his secret identity.
http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/6/60/TERMSE_SIDEA-50.jpg/600px-TERMSE_SIDEA-50.jpg
 ::)

This sounds like a pretty unfortunate situation.

One question for ccliu, why did you ask for a different escrow agent than OGnasty, especially when it's the buyer who is paying for it, and he is the most trusted/established escrow agent in this community? Just because you had a pending deal for it with him?

Also, thesmokingman, if the seller did accept OGNasty for escrow, why wouldn't you go through with that instead of a F2F deal?  I don't think there is any scamming going on here personally, just some mis-communication and friction.

Finksy-

After talking with ccliu the first night, I sent OGNasty a PM trying to confirm the information that ccliu relayed in chat and to see if he would act as escrow. After exchanging a few PMs with OG, he stated he felt there were some red flags about the situation and stated he wanted nothing to do with the deal and would not act as the escrow agent.  In that OG is a Legendary member and I'm just starting out in the BTC world, I took his refusal to deal with the situation serious, hence my push the next day to meet face to face. I figured if ccliu was in fact trying to scam me, he would refuse to meet me in public.

If OGNasty would act as the escrow agent, I would still go through with the deal and jump in line to finally order that 4000w PSU package I've been bugging you about.

This guy is a scammer who has bought a lot of accounts. You will get scammed. He won't provide pictures. He says he wants to meet up for a deal but then comes up with some excuse why he can't. He already tried to scam me twice. Look up account name Bought and Coin Boerse. He tried to scam me with both and has moved on to this.

This guy is a fuckin moron.  I just posted where he bought the account and then like a dumbass left himself feedback. 

This guy went down quick;  ;D

https://i.imgur.com/wAmARXp.png

lol yeah....I'm starting to loose track how many times that thread has been closed, archived and the re-opened to try and scam someone else..

I may have been born at night, but it wasn't last night! Get 'em MakeBelieve as it's tiresome trying to weed through the legit sellers in the exchange and all the scammers. I mean it seems the practice of selling accounts shouldn't be allowed as it seems like that just promotes the behavior.

Yep thanks MakeBelieve for calling them out. This guy has tried to scam me so many times now with different accounts. So lame.

This went downhill fast... from selling $1k+ worth of Ants to getting a 0.08 BTC loan (or a possible account sale masqueraded as a loan):

Looks like you were ~1 hour late in leaving him a negative feedback since he has already received a loan very close to his account value.

Now his account is worthless with the negative feedback I doubt he will repay unless he really has good morals.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1342394.msg13689503#msg13689503

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