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Title: there is a universal wallet?
Post by: Pitagora on January 14, 2016, 10:24:51 PM
I'd like a wallet to keep me more types of altcoin possible, until now I have found:
-holytransaction: supports the largest number of altcoin, and you can buy and sell.
-coinomi: 24 altcoin
cryptonator: 11 altcoin

but none that I keep almost everything ... you have any suggestions?
The purpose and comfort, and to start trading between cryptocoins


Title: Re: there is a universal wallet?
Post by: Pitagora on January 21, 2016, 02:37:47 AM
I see coinomi, but is only for mobile device now....
but I read "We are planning to release a desktop version of Coinomi for Windows, Linux and Mac in a few months."  on site.

I tried a lot I found these: cryptonator.com     holytransaction.com   coinomi...


Title: Re: there is a universal wallet?
Post by: pc888 on January 21, 2016, 03:22:01 AM
there is also uberpay.io


Title: Re: there is a universal wallet?
Post by: benthach on January 21, 2016, 06:24:39 AM
I'd like a wallet to keep me more types of altcoin possible, until now I have found:
-holytransaction: supports the largest number of altcoin, and you can buy and sell.
-coinomi: 24 altcoin
cryptonator: 11 altcoin

but none that I keep almost everything ... you have any suggestions?
The purpose and comfort, and to start trading between cryptocoins


why should anyone trust a no name site? chance this site will disappeared with your coins when there enough for them. store them in polo and bittrex if you have ton of shit coins


Title: Re: there is a universal wallet?
Post by: Richard1972x on January 21, 2016, 06:27:53 AM
I like Poloniex a lot because at the moment they offer the best service and a good liquidity for most of the coins.
In addition you can do margin lending there and also invest with leverage. Quite nice.

I heart of a project called Supernet what should be a kind of general wallet. But I think it's not finished right now.


Title: Re: there is a universal wallet?
Post by: sadface on January 21, 2016, 09:17:03 AM
afaik supernet will only include its core coins. possibly outdated list: http://wiki.supernet.org/wiki/Core_Coins


Title: Re: there is a universal wallet?
Post by: davien on January 21, 2016, 09:27:32 AM
I wouldn't recommend you to keep your money on an exchange for long time. There are pretty high chances of getting hacked, etc


Title: Re: there is a universal wallet?
Post by: mickiya on January 21, 2016, 10:14:10 AM
I vote for,

Coinomi - Because your wallet is stored on your personal machine.
Poloniex - For exchanging and watching markets.

Poloniex is a good choice for the time being. It is quite reliable. I have some coins there for trading. I do not store a lot there.


Title: Re: there is a universal wallet?
Post by: arbitrage on January 21, 2016, 10:19:44 AM
I didn't hear for universal wallet!
Im using exchanges for my alts  to trade and keep.
Those alts that prefer lm staking in wallet .
I Dont like to keep my money on one place!


Title: Re: there is a universal wallet?
Post by: lordoliver on January 21, 2016, 10:46:05 AM
This kind of a wallet is not that hard to do, but still it needs work.
I would do it, if there was a funding. Do you think, we can get one?


Title: Re: there is a universal wallet?
Post by: LiberOptions on January 21, 2016, 01:40:31 PM
It would be great to have a wallet that could simply receive any kind of crypto currency and even have the possibility of tading it via the wallet


Title: Re: there is a universal wallet?
Post by: Rotator on January 21, 2016, 02:09:39 PM
Universal wallet? What will be the purpose of same ?
And someone that trying to steal your wallet can steal all yours bitcoin and alts.. ???


Title: Re: there is a universal wallet?
Post by: lordoliver on January 21, 2016, 02:33:06 PM
Universal wallet? What will be the purpose of same ?
And someone that trying to steal your wallet can steal all yours bitcoin and alts.. ???

Noone steals anything. I had this idea already, before the first of the mentioned ones came out.
You just have a simple html with a javascript, that contacts a server of each coin by RPC. You need only a couple of commands and can write a small wrapper for a general coin. Each coin is then written in 10-20 lines of code. The data is stored locally.

If the coin is written good enough, then you don't have to send any secrets to the server. I think, there are some coins that need the password server-side. That also works then, but is not very safe in this case. You have to make sure, that you trust that server...

The only thing, that can always happen, is that the server doesn't do your request. In this case your transfer was not done but you don't loose funds, because the server can't change the actual transaction.

As I said, I could do it, but not without funding. Any coin developer gets money for their crypto programming as well...


Title: Re: there is a universal wallet?
Post by: davien on January 21, 2016, 04:08:23 PM
Universal wallet? What will be the purpose of same ?
And someone that trying to steal your wallet can steal all yours bitcoin and alts.. ???

Noone steals anything. I had this idea already, before the first of the mentioned ones came out.
You just have a simple html with a javascript, that contacts a server of each coin by RPC. You need only a couple of commands and can write a small wrapper for a general coin. Each coin is then written in 10-20 lines of code. The data is stored locally.

If the coin is written good enough, then you don't have to send any secrets to the server. I think, there are some coins that need the password server-side. That also works then, but is not very safe in this case. You have to make sure, that you trust that server...

The only thing, that can always happen, is that the server doesn't do your request. In this case your transfer was not done but you don't loose funds, because the server can't change the actual transaction.

As I said, I could do it, but not without funding. Any coin developer gets money for their crypto programming as well...
Hm. From this perspective it's a pretty nice and usefull idea, and doesn't even take that much time to do it


Title: Re: there is a universal wallet?
Post by: anon_giraffe on January 22, 2016, 06:26:01 AM
there is also uberpay.io

Uberpay.io is similar to coinomi and i feel this is one of the better universal wallet ideas.

Based on the electrum wallet, the app/wallet will piggy back off (in this case) uberpay.io.
The app/wallet will interact with their site and you can manipulate your coins at your whim. You control your key data, and the app/wallet will create appropriate transaction data to reflect your directions, this transaction data will be sent to the appropriate block chain via their site.

You do not need to store any block chain data, and they should not store any of your user data so it's as safe as your own security.

Whilst it does require their site to be active, because you maintain your own key/addresses, in the worst case you can run and sync the full proper wallet to access your coins yourself.


Title: Re: there is a universal wallet?
Post by: yeswepump on January 22, 2016, 10:01:00 AM
there is also uberpay.io

Uberpay.io is similar to coinomi and i feel this is one of the better universal wallet ideas.

Based on the electrum wallet, the app/wallet will piggy back off (in this case) uberpay.io.
The app/wallet will interact with their site and you can manipulate your coins at your whim. You control your key data, and the app/wallet will create appropriate transaction data to reflect your directions, this transaction data will be sent to the appropriate block chain via their site.

You do not need to store any block chain data, and they should not store any of your user data so it's as safe as your own security.

Whilst it does require their site to be active, because you maintain your own key/addresses, in the worst case you can run and sync the full proper wallet to access your coins yourself.

are coins also staking?



Title: Re: there is a universal wallet?
Post by: davien on January 22, 2016, 10:44:39 AM
there is also uberpay.io

Uberpay.io is similar to coinomi and i feel this is one of the better universal wallet ideas.

Based on the electrum wallet, the app/wallet will piggy back off (in this case) uberpay.io.
The app/wallet will interact with their site and you can manipulate your coins at your whim. You control your key data, and the app/wallet will create appropriate transaction data to reflect your directions, this transaction data will be sent to the appropriate block chain via their site.

You do not need to store any block chain data, and they should not store any of your user data so it's as safe as your own security.

Whilst it does require their site to be active, because you maintain your own key/addresses, in the worst case you can run and sync the full proper wallet to access your coins yourself.

are coins also staking?


Only POW coins surely not :D - Captain obvious


Title: Re: there is a universal wallet?
Post by: JosNekoKopa on January 22, 2016, 10:59:07 AM
If such wallet exist i would like to have it!
That would be very practical!


Title: Re: there is a universal wallet?
Post by: anon_giraffe on January 22, 2016, 12:15:48 PM
there is also uberpay.io

Uberpay.io is similar to coinomi and i feel this is one of the better universal wallet ideas.

Based on the electrum wallet, the app/wallet will piggy back off (in this case) uberpay.io.
The app/wallet will interact with their site and you can manipulate your coins at your whim. You control your key data, and the app/wallet will create appropriate transaction data to reflect your directions, this transaction data will be sent to the appropriate block chain via their site.

You do not need to store any block chain data, and they should not store any of your user data so it's as safe as your own security.

Whilst it does require their site to be active, because you maintain your own key/addresses, in the worst case you can run and sync the full proper wallet to access your coins yourself.

are coins also staking?


Not at all. These wallets work by crafting transactions from data received re specific addresses, then inputing them into the block chain without having actual access to those coins.
They work in some ways similar to how a cold wallet might work, where the client that crafts and signs the transaction does not have access to the block chain - but in this case it does have access to the coinomi/uberpay api.

Only full wallets should stake, or specially crafted wallets.


Title: Re: there is a universal wallet?
Post by: lordoliver on January 22, 2016, 02:06:53 PM
there is also uberpay.io

Uberpay.io is similar to coinomi and i feel this is one of the better universal wallet ideas.

Based on the electrum wallet, the app/wallet will piggy back off (in this case) uberpay.io.
The app/wallet will interact with their site and you can manipulate your coins at your whim. You control your key data, and the app/wallet will create appropriate transaction data to reflect your directions, this transaction data will be sent to the appropriate block chain via their site.

You do not need to store any block chain data, and they should not store any of your user data so it's as safe as your own security.

Whilst it does require their site to be active, because you maintain your own key/addresses, in the worst case you can run and sync the full proper wallet to access your coins yourself.

are coins also staking?



Not at all. These wallets work by crafting transactions from data received re specific addresses, then inputing them into the block chain without having actual access to those coins.
They work in some ways similar to how a cold wallet might work, where the client that crafts and signs the transaction does not have access to the block chain - but in this case it does have access to the coinomi/uberpay api.

Only full wallets should stake, or specially crafted wallets.

there are some coins, that enable delegated staking(forging/harvesting). This could be done in such a wallet.


Title: Re: there is a universal wallet?
Post by: davien on January 22, 2016, 02:34:08 PM
there is also uberpay.io

Uberpay.io is similar to coinomi and i feel this is one of the better universal wallet ideas.

Based on the electrum wallet, the app/wallet will piggy back off (in this case) uberpay.io.
The app/wallet will interact with their site and you can manipulate your coins at your whim. You control your key data, and the app/wallet will create appropriate transaction data to reflect your directions, this transaction data will be sent to the appropriate block chain via their site.

You do not need to store any block chain data, and they should not store any of your user data so it's as safe as your own security.

Whilst it does require their site to be active, because you maintain your own key/addresses, in the worst case you can run and sync the full proper wallet to access your coins yourself.

are coins also staking?



Not at all. These wallets work by crafting transactions from data received re specific addresses, then inputing them into the block chain without having actual access to those coins.
They work in some ways similar to how a cold wallet might work, where the client that crafts and signs the transaction does not have access to the block chain - but in this case it does have access to the coinomi/uberpay api.

Only full wallets should stake, or specially crafted wallets.

there are some coins, that enable delegated staking(forging/harvesting). This could be done in such a wallet.
I know that you can do such a thing with NEM. With NXT is it possible?


Title: Re: there is a universal wallet?
Post by: butragenjo on January 22, 2016, 02:40:16 PM
Online staking wallet is on staisybit.com,but here is not btc,just other altcoins.


Title: Re: there is a universal wallet?
Post by: HeroCat on January 22, 2016, 03:02:51 PM
I think cryptonator is one of best universal wallets available. You can keep your altcoins there  ;)


Title: Re: there is a universal wallet?
Post by: yeswepump on January 22, 2016, 03:03:53 PM
Online staking wallet is on staisybit.com,but here is not btc,just other altcoins.

that is also with coinwallet, but they are webwallets, total other concept than we are discussing in this thread


Title: Re: there is a universal wallet?
Post by: lordoliver on January 23, 2016, 08:35:44 AM
...
I know that you can do such a thing with NEM. With NXT is it possible?

I guess in the moment its not possible, because the server doesn't support it, but as I somehow remember, this could be a future feature.


Title: Re: there is a universal wallet?
Post by: davien on January 23, 2016, 09:44:10 AM
...
I know that you can do such a thing with NEM. With NXT is it possible?

I guess in the moment its not possible, because the server doesn't support it, but as I somehow remember, this could be a future feature.
Oh i was 100% sure that NEM's delegated harversting is working. Good to know


Title: Re: there is a universal wallet?
Post by: lordoliver on January 23, 2016, 01:48:51 PM
...
I know that you can do such a thing with NEM. With NXT is it possible?

I guess in the moment its not possible, because the server doesn't support it, but as I somehow remember, this could be a future feature.
Oh i was 100% sure that NEM's delegated harversting is working. Good to know
Yes NEM is working. I was talking about NXT.


Title: Re: there is a universal wallet?
Post by: davien on January 23, 2016, 03:14:53 PM
...
I know that you can do such a thing with NEM. With NXT is it possible?

I guess in the moment its not possible, because the server doesn't support it, but as I somehow remember, this could be a future feature.
Oh i was 100% sure that NEM's delegated harversting is working. Good to know
Yes NEM is working. I was talking about NXT.
Lol, fail. I've just misunderstood you. I've also asked NEM devs about this and they have confirmed it that it's working


Title: Re: there is a universal wallet?
Post by: Griffith on January 23, 2016, 07:42:42 PM
ive been working on a universal wallet for some time now, its nearing end stages and most of what i am working on is bug fixing.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1006830.msg10926361#msg10926361

most of the remaining bug are thread safe operations for data storage containers that i need to fix with mutex stuff (std::map being the main container with issues im having) since insert operations are not thread safe. (some memory fencing stuff in there too but im pretty sure explaining it would just get a lot more questions)

there was a benchmark wallet i posted a while back but it doesnt have many features and a lot of the stuff is commented out because it wasnt done.

thread has complaints and stuff one it. mostly cuz ive been working on it for so long. i dont really plan on giving up on it. also its only me working on it.



Title: Re: there is a universal wallet?
Post by: lordoliver on January 23, 2016, 11:37:49 PM
ive been working on a universal wallet for some time now, its nearing end stages and most of what i am working on is bug fixing.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1006830.msg10926361#msg10926361

most of the remaining bug are thread safe operations for data storage containers that i need to fix with mutex stuff (std::map being the main container with issues im having) since insert operations are not thread safe. (some memory fencing stuff in there too but im pretty sure explaining it would just get a lot more questions)

there was a benchmark wallet i posted a while back but it doesnt have many features and a lot of the stuff is commented out because it wasnt done.

thread has complaints and stuff one it. mostly cuz ive been working on it for so long. i dont really plan on giving up on it. also its only me working on it.



It's not...
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Title: Re: there is a universal wallet?
Post by: Pitagora on January 24, 2016, 04:21:49 AM
thank you all!!!!
I saw uberpay, this really has the highest number of altcoin available, and it seems to me seriously as a project, even if Android is easy, but to use it on the desktop seems more complicated ... I started to try it now.


Even staisybit.com I found it interesting though limited, but reliable as site?

My fear and use a wallet scam and not a day longer find anything ....

Xapo certainly has greater reliability, is creating the service as a traditional bank.

When posting say the reliability of the various wallet, you know holytransaction? it is reliable?


Title: Re: there is a universal wallet?
Post by: BTCLovingDude on January 24, 2016, 04:26:18 AM
i use bittrex as both wallet and a place to buy/sell
but it is always risky to keep coins online!


Title: Re: there is a universal wallet?
Post by: TopT3ns on January 24, 2016, 04:57:50 AM
i always use market wallet to save altcoins because me not a type of altcoin holder. 


Title: Re: there is a universal wallet?
Post by: benthach on January 24, 2016, 05:07:06 AM
you shouldn't trust your money to anyone else beside yourself or perhaps an legitimate accountant company. in this case the legitimate accountant company is multi-coins decentralized wallet. multi-coins decentralized wallet don't exist for cryptocurrency, yet. all the sites i see people mentioned here are no name sites, no credential, your coins and the sites can disappeared anytime they decided to do so.


Title: Re: there is a universal wallet?
Post by: davien on January 24, 2016, 09:41:07 AM
i always use market wallet to save altcoins because me not a type of altcoin holder. 
What do you mean by market wallet? if you are refering to an exchange then i just would advice to you that don't hold your money there. We saw just too many hacks and steals of many thousand btcs stolen


Title: Re: there is a universal wallet?
Post by: mickiya on January 25, 2016, 01:33:54 PM
i always use market wallet to save altcoins because me not a type of altcoin holder. 
What do you mean by market wallet? if you are refering to an exchange then i just would advice to you that don't hold your money there. We saw just too many hacks and steals of many thousand btcs stolen

I think he is just a miner of altcoins, and trade the altcoin in exchanges. So the amount of money involved is quite small.


Title: Re: there is a universal wallet?
Post by: davien on January 25, 2016, 02:22:19 PM
i always use market wallet to save altcoins because me not a type of altcoin holder. 
What do you mean by market wallet? if you are refering to an exchange then i just would advice to you that don't hold your money there. We saw just too many hacks and steals of many thousand btcs stolen

I think he is just a miner of altcoins, and trade the altcoin in exchanges. So the amount of money involved is quite small.
I understand now. BTW, personally i never hold higher amounts on exchanges. I've learnt enough in the past few years. ~GOX, Cryptsy, and some minor exchanges.


Title: Re: there is a universal wallet?
Post by: Pitagora on January 27, 2016, 01:10:33 AM
I found this and I joined:
- Qoinpro.com by even a small daily bonus. 12 altcoin
- Yobit.net really an endless altcoin, I would say 80% of all coins
I wonder if these two sites are reliable.


Title: Re: there is a universal wallet?
Post by: davien on January 27, 2016, 10:22:43 AM
I found this and I joined:
- Qoinpro.com by even a small daily bonus. 12 altcoin
- Yobit.net really an endless altcoin, I would say 80% of all coins
I wonder if these two sites are reliable.
That's sure that there are a bunch of alts on yobit, but how secure is to keep your coins on an exchange?