Title: WTF ? 1000 BTC transfers in last block? Post by: lugrugzo on January 17, 2016, 09:31:17 AM I just see these:
1000 https://insight.bitpay.com/tx/6a47cbaa75a7c1307affec66aa76c19f34a269b0335c311ec45a82fc4a0e67d5 1002 https://insight.bitpay.com/tx/1b97e8b3727ab9568a8f60f8a4b66fe953889c45a4a5c382fcd8883daaeb175d 1001 https://insight.bitpay.com/tx/c6b519f71aaf5cbb0ca1c6ee102e9e2cdcf0470ecf99aca1c50f1b2b709ccb85 1001 https://insight.bitpay.com/tx/a5027fa3005a2a9eb64839c4e17da4e19a57e0b4e360bfa8c6f3523368396df4 996 https://insight.bitpay.com/tx/fa26bbb9bd07323df9c6075b84e9fe3afa38b44e06c4adaaed811a31ce35f8bf More: http://imgur.com/a/MBpka Title: Re: WTF ? 1000 BTC transfers in last block? Post by: owm123 on January 17, 2016, 10:02:45 AM here you have a recent block with over 1 milion bitcoins:
https://blockchain.info/block/00000000000000000336b036117c2213088cf742ec3503a3ee96cabb8337570b I think few thousands is nothing special. more info here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/41cl78/over_1_million_total_btc_worth_of_transactions_in/ Title: Re: WTF ? 1000 BTC transfers in last block? Post by: NorrisK on January 17, 2016, 10:06:53 AM That's the nice thing about bitcoin. You can move those amounts in minutes to anywhere at any time.
No banks holding your transactions, because they are so big and may be fraudulent. Title: Re: WTF ? 1000 BTC transfers in last block? Post by: Amph on January 17, 2016, 10:41:30 AM That's the nice thing about bitcoin. You can move those amounts in minutes to anywhere at any time. No banks holding your transactions, because they are so big and may be fraudulent. you also pay much lower fee, for that 1M block only 0.5 btc, which is not even $200(and it was a sum of many transaction, if it was done with a single transaction, i'm sure it could have been much lower) i doubt you can move $400M dollars with a so low amount of fee Title: Re: WTF ? 1000 BTC transfers in last block? Post by: Karartma1 on January 17, 2016, 10:50:14 AM that's big money and BTC serves the purpose so well.
That's the nice thing about bitcoin. You can move those amounts in minutes to anywhere at any time. No banks holding your transactions, because they are so big and may be fraudulent. you also pay much lower fee, for that 1M block only 0.5 btc, which is not even $200(and it was a sum of many transaction, if it was done with a single transaction, i'm sure it could have been much lower) i doubt you can move $400M dollars with a so low amount of fee I think in the fiat world only big institutions do that: how do you move that money so fast? With BTC that seems very easy Title: Re: WTF ? 1000 BTC transfers in last block? Post by: Amph on January 17, 2016, 12:40:13 PM that's big money and BTC serves the purpose so well. That's the nice thing about bitcoin. You can move those amounts in minutes to anywhere at any time. No banks holding your transactions, because they are so big and may be fraudulent. you also pay much lower fee, for that 1M block only 0.5 btc, which is not even $200(and it was a sum of many transaction, if it was done with a single transaction, i'm sure it could have been much lower) i doubt you can move $400M dollars with a so low amount of fee I think in the fiat world only big institutions do that: how do you move that money so fast? With BTC that seems very easy i'm curious how much fee those institutions, when for example the europe court lent those billions to greece, need to pay to move those very big amount Title: Re: WTF ? 1000 BTC transfers in last block? Post by: randy8777 on January 17, 2016, 01:03:01 PM 1000 btc transactions aren't interesting when you have seen transactions of at least 100,000 btc. transactions lower than 5,000 are quite common.
Title: Re: WTF ? 1000 BTC transfers in last block? Post by: NorrisK on January 17, 2016, 01:05:38 PM That's the nice thing about bitcoin. You can move those amounts in minutes to anywhere at any time. No banks holding your transactions, because they are so big and may be fraudulent. you also pay much lower fee, for that 1M block only 0.5 btc, which is not even $200(and it was a sum of many transaction, if it was done with a single transaction, i'm sure it could have been much lower) i doubt you can move $400M dollars with a so low amount of fee Agreed. 200 USD to move that amount of money is nothing at all. For smaller transactions the fees might become a bit steep if nothing is done soon, but for large transactions bitcoin is still the way to go. Title: Re: WTF ? 1000 BTC transfers in last block? Post by: Boelens on January 17, 2016, 01:24:55 PM Nothing special. Just a big holder who might be moving his coins or looking to sell, but this happens quite often. I've seen transers of 100,000 BTC and more. It's easy with BTC.
Title: Re: WTF ? 1000 BTC transfers in last block? Post by: WENGER on January 17, 2016, 01:53:26 PM Wow, This is the first time seeing these large amounts being sent in a transaction and could also this have some effect on the recent price rise? It's at $388 at the time of typing this, and would be nice to know how much was the biggest amount ever sent to anyone.
Title: Re: WTF ? 1000 BTC transfers in last block? Post by: avatar_kiyoshi on January 17, 2016, 02:30:42 PM Wow, This is the first time seeing these large amounts being sent in a transaction and could also this have some effect on the recent price rise? It's at $388 at the time of typing this, and would be nice to know how much was the biggest amount ever sent to anyone. This is the biggest one: http://www.coindesk.com/194993-btc-transaction-147m-mystery-and-speculation/ Title: Re: WTF ? 1000 BTC transfers in last block? Post by: dk8218 on January 17, 2016, 05:41:09 PM I'm pretty impressed on this for bitcoin..
It proves that nowadays big transaction are done with bitcoins.. And too much people using bitcoin.. And second thing they chose bitcoin over banks.. as bank limitations and government controls are too much.. They believe and trust in bitcoin.. Title: Re: WTF ? 1000 BTC transfers in last block? Post by: Preclus on January 17, 2016, 06:02:38 PM you also pay much lower fee, for that 1M block only 0.5 btc, which is not even $200(and it was a sum of many transaction, if it was done with a single transaction, i'm sure it could have been much lower) i doubt you can move $400M dollars with a so low amount of fee If you have a high enough balance, you can easily move millions anywhere in the world without any fees using traditional banking. I use Schwab, my wire fees are waived for any amount and I have wired millions with no fee. For a traditional bank account, the average wire fee is $20 to $25 for any amount, it is not dependent on the amount of money you are transferring. You can read this for more information: http://www.bankingmyway.com/credit-center/3-ways-cut-wire-transfer-costs Example of Schwab's free wire transfers: http://www.schwab.com/public/file/P-1036363/ "Wire transfer fee: With $100,000–$499,999 in Household Balances, you will receive three free online domestic wire transfers per quarter; with $500,000 or more in Household Balances, or 36 or more stock or option trades per year in Accounts of Your Household, you will receive three free domestic wire transfers per quarter." Almost 1 trillion dollars is transferred via wire transfer every day in the United States. Source: http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/money/ota-money-laundering/03ch2.pdf An average of over 293,000 transactions are carried over Fedwire daily, transferring a daily average of over $841.4 billion. The average amount of funds moved by one Fedwire transfer is nearly $3 million, and the cost of one transfer is about 50 cents (see tables 2-2 and 2-3) Title: Re: WTF ? 1000 BTC transfers in last block? Post by: Amph on January 17, 2016, 06:08:30 PM you also pay much lower fee, for that 1M block only 0.5 btc, which is not even $200(and it was a sum of many transaction, if it was done with a single transaction, i'm sure it could have been much lower) i doubt you can move $400M dollars with a so low amount of fee If you have a high enough balance, you can easily move millions anywhere in the world without any fees using traditional banking. I use Schwab, my wire fees are waived for any amount and I have wired millions with no fee. For a traditional bank account, the average wire fee is $20 to $25 for any amount, it is not dependent on the amount of money you are transferring. You can read this for more information: http://www.bankingmyway.com/credit-center/3-ways-cut-wire-transfer-costs Example of Schwab's free wire transfers: http://www.schwab.com/public/file/P-1036363/ "Wire transfer fee: With $100,000–$499,999 in Household Balances, you will receive three free online domestic wire transfers per quarter; with $500,000 or more in Household Balances, or 36 or more stock or option trades per year in Accounts of Your Household, you will receive three free domestic wire transfers per quarter." you have moved millions previously? we have plenty of rich people here, apparently, well it's good to know that you can cut on fee with fiat and also it depend when you live i'm sure it's not the case for every country aside from this you need to declare everything prior moving those huge amount, with bitcoin i can go ahead and moving my millions without saying nothing to anyone Title: Re: WTF ? 1000 BTC transfers in last block? Post by: Preclus on January 17, 2016, 06:10:50 PM aside from this you need to declare everything prior moving those huge amount, with bitcoin i can go ahead and moving my millions without saying nothing to anyone I want my transfers recorded. If they aren't recorded, how do I prove that I sent someone the money? If there is no record of me sending someone 10 million, why wouldn't they just walk away with the money? What if they say they didn't get it? Title: Re: WTF ? 1000 BTC transfers in last block? Post by: Amph on January 17, 2016, 06:16:33 PM aside from this you need to declare everything prior moving those huge amount, with bitcoin i can go ahead and moving my millions without saying nothing to anyone I want my transfers recorded. If they aren't recorded, how do I prove that I sent someone the money? If there is no record of me sending someone 10 million, why wouldn't they just walk away with the money? What if they say they didn't get it? i was more talking about moving your funds from one place to another, for whatever reason, not sending to someone else or anyway when you send them to a friend/family member, you know that if you receive a sum from your family that has previously payed taxes on that sum, you need to pay the taxes again, because now these belong to you? this is true if you're not part of the household, at least here Title: Re: WTF ? 1000 BTC transfers in last block? Post by: OROBTC on January 17, 2016, 06:20:39 PM aside from this you need to declare everything prior moving those huge amount, with bitcoin i can go ahead and moving my millions without saying nothing to anyone I want my transfers recorded. If they aren't recorded, how do I prove that I sent someone the money? If there is no record of me sending someone 10 million, why wouldn't they just walk away with the money? What if they say they didn't get it? For large transactions (and whose fate you might worry about), you could always send smaller amounts of BTC per transaction as the fees for BTC are so small. For example, if you needed to send a counterparty $100,000 (say BTC250), you could send BTC100, and ask for confirmation of receipt. Then send the rest later (delivery to port for example). At some point you have to trust your counterparty to deliver what you pay for. Title: Re: WTF ? 1000 BTC transfers in last block? Post by: Amph on January 17, 2016, 06:22:44 PM aside from this you need to declare everything prior moving those huge amount, with bitcoin i can go ahead and moving my millions without saying nothing to anyone I want my transfers recorded. If they aren't recorded, how do I prove that I sent someone the money? If there is no record of me sending someone 10 million, why wouldn't they just walk away with the money? What if they say they didn't get it? For large transactions (and whose fate you might worry about), you could always send smaller amounts of BTC per transaction as the fees for BTC are so small. For example, if you needed to send a counterparty $100,000 (say BTC250), you could send BTC100, and ask for confirmation of receipt. Then send the rest later (delivery to port for example). At some point you have to trust your counterparty to deliver what you pay for. and anyway there is the blockchain that can demostrate it, it's a public ledger after all and is there for this exact reason, no need to declare anything Title: Re: WTF ? 1000 BTC transfers in last block? Post by: maokoto on January 17, 2016, 06:37:00 PM That is one of the beauties of Bitcoin, you can watch big transactions happening and somewhat have some info about money moving from one account to another. With fiat, you never know when big ammounts are moving or not. Even if it is just for being curious.
Title: Re: WTF ? 1000 BTC transfers in last block? Post by: smaxz on January 17, 2016, 09:30:56 PM i dont like blockchain.info's depiction of these bitcoin days destroyed..
sure its nice that moving all these coins is possible.. it proves that the system is functioning. the question to ask is, to what end does this posturing reflect. Title: Re: WTF ? 1000 BTC transfers in last block? Post by: Meuh6879 on January 17, 2016, 09:40:12 PM big block are in red : http://btcaudio.tk/live/
;D i don't even imagine how amount of MONEY is transfered with Bitcoin network. ::) Code: 22:45:04 Transaction: 0.09294489 BTC Title: Re: WTF ? 1000 BTC transfers in last block? Post by: BayAreaCoins on January 17, 2016, 09:43:24 PM 1000 whole BTC?! Omg... ::)
Title: Re: WTF ? 1000 BTC transfers in last block? Post by: ACAB on January 17, 2016, 09:43:56 PM I just see these: 1000 https://insight.bitpay.com/tx/6a47cbaa75a7c1307affec66aa76c19f34a269b0335c311ec45a82fc4a0e67d5 1002 https://insight.bitpay.com/tx/1b97e8b3727ab9568a8f60f8a4b66fe953889c45a4a5c382fcd8883daaeb175d 1001 https://insight.bitpay.com/tx/c6b519f71aaf5cbb0ca1c6ee102e9e2cdcf0470ecf99aca1c50f1b2b709ccb85 1001 https://insight.bitpay.com/tx/a5027fa3005a2a9eb64839c4e17da4e19a57e0b4e360bfa8c6f3523368396df4 996 https://insight.bitpay.com/tx/fa26bbb9bd07323df9c6075b84e9fe3afa38b44e06c4adaaed811a31ce35f8bf More: http://imgur.com/a/MBpka You are so poor you surprised by these transactions. Even a regular Bitcoiner can have 1k BTC in their wallet. Not to mention cold storage of rich Bitcoin gambling services. You must be too late to the party. Title: Re: WTF ? 1000 BTC transfers in last block? Post by: mayax on January 17, 2016, 09:48:43 PM I just see these: 1000 https://insight.bitpay.com/tx/6a47cbaa75a7c1307affec66aa76c19f34a269b0335c311ec45a82fc4a0e67d5 1002 https://insight.bitpay.com/tx/1b97e8b3727ab9568a8f60f8a4b66fe953889c45a4a5c382fcd8883daaeb175d 1001 https://insight.bitpay.com/tx/c6b519f71aaf5cbb0ca1c6ee102e9e2cdcf0470ecf99aca1c50f1b2b709ccb85 1001 https://insight.bitpay.com/tx/a5027fa3005a2a9eb64839c4e17da4e19a57e0b4e360bfa8c6f3523368396df4 996 https://insight.bitpay.com/tx/fa26bbb9bd07323df9c6075b84e9fe3afa38b44e06c4adaaed811a31ce35f8bf More: http://imgur.com/a/MBpka You are so poor you surprised by these transactions. Even a regular Bitcoiner can have 1k BTC in their wallet. Not to mention cold storage of rich Bitcoin gambling services. You must be too late to the party. if it's "too late" then fuck Bitcoin...why would bother the new comers to "invest" if it's too late? other commodities like gold is expecting them. you can never be too late buying gold :) Title: Re: WTF ? 1000 BTC transfers in last block? Post by: liquidiser on January 17, 2016, 10:07:03 PM i dont like blockchain.info's depiction of these bitcoin days destroyed.. sure its nice that moving all these coins is possible.. it proves that the system is functioning. the question to ask is, to what end does this posturing reflect. It tells us when a lot of old coins that haven't moved in years start moving. Often big timers store their bitcoins in an extra secure address called cold storage, then leave them there for years. When they decide to sell them they have to send them to an exchange, and that coin movement makes a big spike in the bitcoin days destroyed chart. Title: Re: WTF ? 1000 BTC transfers in last block? Post by: smaxz on January 18, 2016, 03:01:16 AM i dont like blockchain.info's depiction of these bitcoin days destroyed.. sure its nice that moving all these coins is possible.. it proves that the system is functioning. the question to ask is, to what end does this posturing reflect. It tells us when a lot of old coins that haven't moved in years start moving. Often big timers store their bitcoins in an extra secure address called cold storage, then leave them there for years. When they decide to sell them they have to send them to an exchange, and that coin movement makes a big spike in the bitcoin days destroyed chart. yes, i know.. thanks :) Title: Re: WTF ? 1000 BTC transfers in last block? Post by: Kakmakr on January 18, 2016, 06:13:47 AM you also pay much lower fee, for that 1M block only 0.5 btc, which is not even $200(and it was a sum of many transaction, if it was done with a single transaction, i'm sure it could have been much lower) i doubt you can move $400M dollars with a so low amount of fee If you have a high enough balance, you can easily move millions anywhere in the world without any fees using traditional banking. I use Schwab, my wire fees are waived for any amount and I have wired millions with no fee. For a traditional bank account, the average wire fee is $20 to $25 for any amount, it is not dependent on the amount of money you are transferring. You can read this for more information: http://www.bankingmyway.com/credit-center/3-ways-cut-wire-transfer-costs Example of Schwab's free wire transfers: http://www.schwab.com/public/file/P-1036363/ "Wire transfer fee: With $100,000–$499,999 in Household Balances, you will receive three free online domestic wire transfers per quarter; with $500,000 or more in Household Balances, or 36 or more stock or option trades per year in Accounts of Your Household, you will receive three free domestic wire transfers per quarter." Almost 1 trillion dollars is transferred via wire transfer every day in the United States. Source: http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/money/ota-money-laundering/03ch2.pdf An average of over 293,000 transactions are carried over Fedwire daily, transferring a daily average of over $841.4 billion. The average amount of funds moved by one Fedwire transfer is nearly $3 million, and the cost of one transfer is about 50 cents (see tables 2-2 and 2-3) It is quite common for these traditional institutions to make fees cheaper for high income groups. <Rich people> and cross subsidizing these discounts from the lower income groups. Go to your bank and ask them what the different interest rates are for different amounts. <The higher the amount, the higher the interest rate> The Dinosaurs make sure they line the pockets of the rich people. ^frown^ Title: Re: WTF ? 1000 BTC transfers in last block? Post by: Karartma1 on January 18, 2016, 08:47:39 AM that's big money and BTC serves the purpose so well. That's the nice thing about bitcoin. You can move those amounts in minutes to anywhere at any time. No banks holding your transactions, because they are so big and may be fraudulent. you also pay much lower fee, for that 1M block only 0.5 btc, which is not even $200(and it was a sum of many transaction, if it was done with a single transaction, i'm sure it could have been much lower) i doubt you can move $400M dollars with a so low amount of fee I think in the fiat world only big institutions do that: how do you move that money so fast? With BTC that seems very easy i'm curious how much fee those institutions, when for example the europe court lent those billions to greece, need to pay to move those very big amount I think they don't pay anything: they lend money that are freshly made for the sole purpose of being given to them. They open a computer and they write 3.000.000.000.000 and then they press send. No fees! ;D Title: Re: WTF ? 1000 BTC transfers in last block? Post by: Bitcoinpro on January 18, 2016, 08:55:02 AM you also pay much lower fee, for that 1M block only 0.5 btc, which is not even $200(and it was a sum of many transaction, if it was done with a single transaction, i'm sure it could have been much lower) i doubt you can move $400M dollars with a so low amount of fee If you have a high enough balance, you can easily move millions anywhere in the world without any fees using traditional banking. I use Schwab, my wire fees are waived for any amount and I have wired millions with no fee. For a traditional bank account, the average wire fee is $20 to $25 for any amount, it is not dependent on the amount of money you are transferring. You can read this for more information: http://www.bankingmyway.com/credit-center/3-ways-cut-wire-transfer-costs Example of Schwab's free wire transfers: http://www.schwab.com/public/file/P-1036363/ "Wire transfer fee: With $100,000–$499,999 in Household Balances, you will receive three free online domestic wire transfers per quarter; with $500,000 or more in Household Balances, or 36 or more stock or option trades per year in Accounts of Your Household, you will receive three free domestic wire transfers per quarter." Almost 1 trillion dollars is transferred via wire transfer every day in the United States. Source: http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/money/ota-money-laundering/03ch2.pdf An average of over 293,000 transactions are carried over Fedwire daily, transferring a daily average of over $841.4 billion. The average amount of funds moved by one Fedwire transfer is nearly $3 million, and the cost of one transfer is about 50 cents (see tables 2-2 and 2-3) Your showing ignorance on so many levels with this post Banks an and other finacial institutions block fiat transfers of $20 oh and in my head i just tranferred 6,780 Trillion Billion in 7,520,013 transactions all over the world so please spare me ur stupid little fiat numbers Title: Re: WTF ? 1000 BTC transfers in last block? Post by: krunox123 on January 18, 2016, 09:01:46 AM Is this your first time? :P
I'm pretty sure I have seen more than one 1k BTC transactions and even more than that before. Title: Re: WTF ? 1000 BTC transfers in last block? Post by: Bitcoinpro on January 18, 2016, 09:01:53 AM that's big money and BTC serves the purpose so well. That's the nice thing about bitcoin. You can move those amounts in minutes to anywhere at any time. No banks holding your transactions, because they are so big and may be fraudulent. you also pay much lower fee, for that 1M block only 0.5 btc, which is not even $200(and it was a sum of many transaction, if it was done with a single transaction, i'm sure it could have been much lower) i doubt you can move $400M dollars with a so low amount of fee I think in the fiat world only big institutions do that: how do you move that money so fast? With BTC that seems very easy i'm curious how much fee those institutions, when for example the europe court lent those billions to greece, need to pay to move those very big amount they dont move anything with fiat they ring each other up by phone and fly private jets around, the days of these con artists is over Title: Re: WTF ? 1000 BTC transfers in last block? Post by: elizabethqueen on January 18, 2016, 09:13:19 AM I just see these: i can't imagine that,transfer money about $485000 without banks connection,and its fast,anonymous and secure. never imagine that on this age i can know about bitcoin and blockchain technology ;D1000 https://insight.bitpay.com/tx/6a47cbaa75a7c1307affec66aa76c19f34a269b0335c311ec45a82fc4a0e67d5 1002 https://insight.bitpay.com/tx/1b97e8b3727ab9568a8f60f8a4b66fe953889c45a4a5c382fcd8883daaeb175d 1001 https://insight.bitpay.com/tx/c6b519f71aaf5cbb0ca1c6ee102e9e2cdcf0470ecf99aca1c50f1b2b709ccb85 1001 https://insight.bitpay.com/tx/a5027fa3005a2a9eb64839c4e17da4e19a57e0b4e360bfa8c6f3523368396df4 996 https://insight.bitpay.com/tx/fa26bbb9bd07323df9c6075b84e9fe3afa38b44e06c4adaaed811a31ce35f8bf More: http://imgur.com/a/MBpka Title: Re: WTF ? 1000 BTC transfers in last block? Post by: teddy5145 on January 18, 2016, 09:17:29 AM If you are surprised by that amount of money being transferred then i think you never see the 10k bitcoin pizza topic :P
Those 1000BTC must belong to either gambling or exchange website or it belongs to one of the early adopters of bitcoin who got rich from it :P Title: Re: WTF ? 1000 BTC transfers in last block? Post by: lottery248 on January 18, 2016, 11:05:47 AM here you have a recent block with over 1 milion bitcoins: https://blockchain.info/block/00000000000000000336b036117c2213088cf742ec3503a3ee96cabb8337570b I think few thousands is nothing special. more info here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/41cl78/over_1_million_total_btc_worth_of_transactions_in/ IIRC in order to mix up or clean your coins from the darknet, without such a high transaction volume, it could result in traces. the coin mixing is in order to ensure the coins are "clean". Title: Re: WTF ? 1000 BTC transfers in last block? Post by: owm123 on January 18, 2016, 12:03:32 PM That is one of the beauties of Bitcoin, you can watch big transactions happening and somewhat have some info about money moving from one account to another. With fiat, you never know when big ammounts are moving or not. Even if it is just for being curious. Some consider this a problem. Many dont like their transactions being public. Confidential Transactions is an idea, that can solve this problem in Bitcoin. Title: Re: WTF ? 1000 BTC transfers in last block? Post by: Bitcoinpro on January 18, 2016, 02:44:37 PM That is one of the beauties of Bitcoin, you can watch big transactions happening and somewhat have some info about money moving from one account to another. With fiat, you never know when big ammounts are moving or not. Even if it is just for being curious. Some consider this a problem. Many dont like their transactions being public. Confidential Transactions is an idea, that can solve this problem in Bitcoin. How exactly can someone hide their transactions with a regular bank ? their level of security compared to Bitcoin is so low as to be virtually zero, if you want to hide your Bitcoin movements on the blockchain it would be comparatively easy compared to classical banking, where a few bribes to a bank employee or hacker will be able to get not only your Bank account details but also where you live, every shop or location you ever made a withdrawal or purchase from listed and easily to digest, Criminal Organisations love to target wealthy individuals, going overseas can be a security nightmare for a rich person, when the passport goes through the system all the finacial data is pulled up with the flick of a button, many many wealthy businessmen are sitting in jail overseas on false charges with massive sentences because its to easy to get setup to make it look like you did something wrong, |