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As Satoshi predicted, it is now possible to send a few HD movies around the internet without too much effort:


http://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/emails/cryptography/2/#selection-87.0-107.16

The issue is that everyone wants to watch HD movies and access video content:

https://i.imgur.com/zTPEUk0.png

What this is doing is causing infrastructure providers, ISPs in particular, to ration the internet.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/02/24/net-neutrality-what-is-it-guide/23237737/

So, will the huge growth in on demand HD video content, leading up to on demand 4k video content prevent Bitcoin from growing, without some extra costs being incurred by those running full nodes?

Yes pruning, SPVs, etc don't need a full block chain......but a growing Bitcoin and a falling full node count will, at some point, reach an imbalance.

NB: this is not a big block vs. small block; core vs. classic thread.  

This is bullshit man.  Companies like AT&T received government subsidies to upgrade the nation's internet infrastructure.  Instead, they kept it all and either went golfing or bought mortgage backed securities.  US internet throughput is being gimped on purpose.  It looks like someone put Blockstream in charge of the internet too.

I think I read similar numbers for germany/europe. The backbone network is at ~10% capacity. The last mile to the customer is whats badly developed, especially in rural areas.

Wow, if we're talking about Netflix & Youtube worrying about film piracy etc then there are a million places they'd be looking to sue before they got to bitcoin?

I don't think that youtube will directly threaten bitcoin, bandwidth is every day growing also the internet speed needs are everytime increasing.

when goggle with satellite internet will hit everything and or google fiber will be everywhere, i'm not seeing any issue anymore for any kind of video

also, the speed of aconnection is arguably faster than the average connection needed by the average joe

It is not a threat to Bitcoin as it all remains the same. If bandwith is limited by ISPs it is because there is still not enough bandwith, and neither is that much bandwith needed  for bitcoin transactions yet. When bandwith increases more, there will be no need to have it limited, and bitcoin will not have problems either.

That is what I think at least.

There is nothing to fear as long as the average computer can run a node, of course if you start getting away from this basic principle say goodbye to Bitcoin and hello to Paypal 2.0, so no I don't see how these two sites have anything to do with BTC.

How can netflix be bigger than youtube i dont get it.  You have to pay for netflix aswell dont you and youtube is free.  Also i think this is only in the USA netflix not as popular worldwide, still popular though.

Bitcoin would be much better off if Netflix began accepting bitcoin. However I don't think that the bandwidth that Netflix uses will interfere with the bitcoin network any time soon.

Bandwidth should not be a issue at all, and when it becomes a issue the industry will expand to accommodate for that. The backbone can currently handle much more traffic, but it is being throttled to manage steady growth. The backbone is not the issue, the ISP is the bottleneck.

In any case, Bitcoin use very little bandwidth and will not be threatened if this happens. See this, https://www.telegeography.com/telecom-maps/global-internet-map/ {This was in 2012}

Our usage per country, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_broadband_Internet_subscriptions

Why would they threaten Bitcoin? What did Bitcoin do to them? This is just a stupid question overall.  ??? ??? ??? >:(

I think there won't be much conflicts or threatens for bitcoin. Netflix has got certain bandwidth which is secure and won't get collided with others, and they are charging for it. Youtube too has the same process but its free of cost. Coming to bitcoin they may even try to have tie up so that the streaming fee for these can be paid with the Bitcoins which will be much good for them compared to other means of transaction.

I think in the alternate way. As streaming of HD video content grows, the need for payment processing grows as well. If bitcoin continues to prove it is highly secure, it will reach mass quite easily. It takes time. But it's worth in time. Anything that grows and people are ready to buy online, that is a good boost for bitcoin. Only thing we need to worry about is finding ways to reach bitcoin to all kind of people.

I dont think that is a correct article, some netflix lover might just did that for his own happiness that netflix is number 1. That is a one hell of a big fan of netflix. Just look how many views are in youtube videos. That is just views, then how about the users.

Calling 256kbit/s broadband is a shame, isnt it? Thats not even enough for a 480p youtube video without buffering. With that "broadband" it would take almost 19 days to download 50GiB worth of blockchain data.

https://i.imgur.com/WxxCUHX.png

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/41w4nl/the_bitcoin_blockchain_is_nearly_60gb_and_is/

Monthly bandwidth would be around 15GB to 50GB between each node to node.

Plus, full nodes would be sharing bandwidth among SPVs, pruning nodes, segwit nodes, miners, etc. So probably x30 for that extra bandwidth per node.

x5000 nodes would be many, many TBs of data each month being used by the network.  Not really a problem, except for HD and 4k on demand video hogging the last mile cabling.

As internet traffic is increasing over time, the network bandwidth is growing as well, covering the needs and demands of all services, so
i don't see how any of the services listed here could pose an issue, and least of all the blockchain.
Almost every year we get increased increased speed with unlimited traffic where i live, at the same price or even less, so i think your point isn't a valid one.

agree, speed and bandwidth continue to grow with each other and I do not see it no leaving room for Bitcoin.

There will not be any limit on bandwidth in near future, the raise of fiber optic networks now supports for higher data limits. They will never threaten bitcoin.... So, running full node and seeking for HD contents will exist in parallel.

The bandwidth used by bitcoin is much much smaller than netflex or other content providers. It will not be affected by rationing.

I remember reading about integrating Bitcoin into torrents apps like Popcorn Time and similar so you can donate and support the creators. Doesn't have to be only films, just about anything. This will be a system of royalties where the artist just get a new way of revenue and somehow helps alleviating the damage done by piracy.

threaten?i dont think so,i wish netflix and youtube considering to accept or work with bitcoin,not be threat for bitcoin,and will be amazing if youtube pay people to upload video and pay them with bitcoin ;D

Maybe we should have 1Kb blocks to save the Internet. :)

it is always a growing contest out there. the bandwidth increase leads to bigger files, better qualities in case of videos and at the same time these bigger files would demand bigger bandwidth that is just the relationship that always existed but i still can't see how it can threaten bitcoin!

I think the threat can not be clarified. threats like what you mean?
bitcoin and youtube are very different.

It should be the other way around. People should use less Youtube or Netflix to let Bitcoin go faster.

I highly doubt that it will threaten bitcoin at all.

As long as companies like Netflix and Youtube have financial interest upon the existence of a powerful bandwith structure, investments are going to keep flowing into this direction and hence there will be a growing capacity for the next years.


Satoshi is a prophet.

Unlikely, IF somebody finds a way to make a Bitcoin-only video service profitable. The question is whether we prefer the Youtube model (advertising) or the Netflix model (monthly subcription fees).

Not a bad subject because some internet provider are already making some content more available than other!

In Europe the problem won't happen as a law recently pass (at least in France but I think it's going to spread) stating that all internet content are equal. Which means any internet content has to be sent the same way than another. So they can't for example decide to let Netflix film going through while stopping Youtube video or btc tx =)

I think its because when you watch a tv show or movie its a full hour +
When I watch youtube its just a few minutes at max (at least what I watch)
Also I think cord cutting has become super popular so some people
are using netflix as their only source of television along with a satellite to
watch local channels (abc/nbc/fox/cw etc)

I am also highly sure that it will not threaten bitcoin. The future is of bitcoin and for any issue or there problem there exist a solution or it is solved sooner by the experts. So, they will try to adjust according to bitcoin.

If a plate like that came, and that site got fame like youtube and left back youtube and Netflix a few steps back, Then I think people will start to attract there, and this will give a huge harm to both of them.

Yes, and if they do not acquire according to the bitcoin for the bitcoin then they will lose all the profit they are earning.
It is not a kiddy play to leave established like that so they will focus on that area..