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Anyone feel like cryptography is mapping time?

Money seems to be the surface sheen that lures the monkey while our cognitive real estate is contracted by the Mystery maker.

There's an eye in the triangle after all, and it doesn't take Euler's ruler to see that math and geometry is the lingua franca of, well, most everything.

Fractal paradoxes abound here as we ask who programs the metaprogrammer. It just seams [sic] to my mind at some point the "revolutionary" transition / paradigm shift isn't going to be from one coin to the next, but rather the realization that we're collectively coding/deciphering/recording time.

As an old mentor once told me, pay attention to d'tail, d'tale, ditale (https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&es_th=1&ie=UTF-8#safe=off&q=ditale+in+italian)!

Please continue.  What is the connection between time and crypto?

What do you mean by "mapping" how can time be "mapped"?

Also, did you recently take any hallucinogenic compounds?

"I'll have what he's having." :P

This would take time to explain (in addition to both giving time as other minds strive to interpret). The etymology of crypt- is 'hidden' or 'vault.' The suffix, graphia, means 'writing.' Cryptography is literally the writing, and thus the creative mapping, of the hidden. Time is the quintessential hidden element. Even as something is elucidated and brought to light via description or sheer experience, still other things are obscured and pro-grammatically hidden by virtue of not being coded or experienced. Reality is non-simultaneously apprehended [Bucky Fuller].

This thread [pun intended] may ultimately lead to strings of semantics, as much of the quantum literature has. The bulk of quantum physics reads like excerpts from Joyce or Lewis Carroll ('quark' was coined from Joyce's Finnegan's Wake, itself a cryptographic time-web). Our "turtles all the way down" tom foolery eventually leads to concepts like charm quarks, particle flavours, up quarks and down quarks (more binary), the Eightfold Way in physics (itself borrowed from Buddhism), and other endless arrangement of self-referential language and symbols. It's living code; its essence is language mapping smudged with the fingerprints of editors.

The meaning of any of this is superimposed and collectively created. Inherently there is nothing in A-Z or 1-9, but from the patterns of arrangement and interaction with our beliefs it begets form. There is no reason why squiggles on a two-dimensional surface should "mean" anything, but collectively it does. Korzybski called this time-binding.

Consider even that mining rewards are arranged such that processing power + time creates spendable value outputs, thus organizing human (and planetary, by extension) activity.


Just as "space" is mapped. We know that a map of Ireland is not literally Ireland. Similarly, crypto mathematics (like Borromean rings, etc. Take your pick) are not literally time, but rather refer to / signify time. From the plethora of enigmatic ciphertexts (e.g. Shugborough Inscription) to the http:host of holy scriptures on vellum, we are going about our social hive task of living/communicating/dreaming/sharing/trading, and all the while spooling bits of history. In the mean while, it's a process of perpetual flowing through modes of novelty and obsolescence in meaning and "memescapes." Take a look at Poloniex and its near endless list of ideological and mythical constructs masquerading as money. They're more akin to social ideas and time variables. That's why so many alt coins are seen as dispensable as yesterday's newspaper.

Speaking of papers: Bob and Alice are eternal characters in crypto whitepapers. The first "law" of cryptography (and time) is that yesterday is not tomorrow. Bob is not Alice. 1 is not 0. These binary modifiers of "is" and "is not" string chromosomes + molecules that build matter and form boundaries of physical and non-physical forms. In the beginning was the Word differentiation.

"Money" is just the ever-elusive carrot that hangs tenaciously in the future to allure our pattern-mapping minds to spring towards it, leaving in our wake eddies of temporal fossils.


Not recently.

But they've played their role in the history of silicon valley.

I'm not sure it's a map of time. Surely time itself is a straight line, thus there's not much to map. You could speak of it being a map of specific economic types of human activity/intent over time (or through time) which would make more sense. But not so much a map of time, as time itself is a simple corridor.

Time has been shown quite interestingly to be subjective in perceived duration, and as it's generally messaged against a time based phenomena is it possible to then usefully believe it is an objective frame?

And as to whether time is a straight line, if it does warp and weave due to gravitational and velocity effects a straight line seems a simplistic assumption.

Time is definitively subjective. If there's nothing around to observe it, it cannot exist. Thus it cannot be influenced by physical forces like gravity and velocity effects.

We are simple recording machines sampling reality at a biologically locked speed. Our memories are the subjective product of that recording, organised in an automatic way to arrange everything with perceived chronology: start middle end. A simple journey that has spawned similar replications in human culture, technology and collective memetic output.

The eternal timeline.

Impossible because there is no global clock (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1319681.msg13611845#msg13611845). Time is relative to the observer, thus the word linear is an entirely inapplicable concept to a metric which only has partial orders.

Cute.


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Source (http://bitcoinist.net/rudimental-media-launches-eth-based-crowdfunding-site/)