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There's new project from Brendan Eich (co-founder of Mozilla and creator of the JavaScript) coming soon. It's a browser called 'Brave', which is supposed to be much faster, due to auto-blocking certain type of ads (and replacing them with their own ads).

https://www.brave.com/index.html

What's interesting, they do intend to implement integrated BTC payments, in partnership with BitGo. From FAQ:



I doubt whether they'll manage to capture large share of the market, but that still sounds like pretty big news.


Some related press coverage:
http://arstechnica.com/business/2016/01/mozilla-co-founder-unveils-brave-a-web-browser-that-blocks-ads-by-default/
http://www.cnet.com/news/is-the-ad-blocking-brave-browser-too-good-to-be-true/
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3025314/browsers/former-mozilla-ceo-reveals-brave-a-browser-that-speeds-up-the-web-by-blocking-all-ads.html
http://venturebeat.com/2016/01/20/brave-browser/

Interesting, thanks I will have to keep an eye on this

This makes me have second thought about them. The good part would be the would surely manage to introduce BTCitcoin to some of it's users and the bad part would be, not sure if it would be entirely safe to use browser base wallets and to add to that up, on the faq tab they said "we will use BTC only for permissionless payment delivery to user and publisher wallets that we will create using BitGo’s APIs" meaning we can't use our own created wallets unless it's created with BitGo's API which is a big turn off for limiting users to use BitGo wallets only (for those who don't know, BitGo is restricted for some countries).

But what if I don't want to use the BitGo wallet. I currently use an online based wallet where I can enable the bitcoin payment links to be handled by my Firefox browser and forward me to the wallet page so I can authorize the transactions. I feel better having the power over my funds and what I do with them.

If 10% of mozilla users will use brave and 10% of brave users will use btc.
Tbh i think there will be a shitton of new ppl. O.o

Yes it is indeed interesting news and very convenient to pay directly from browser. If they manage to make a really fast browser it might have some serious adoption and that would help bitcoin. Just imagine tipping your favorite blogs and sites directly from browser.

What is the market share of Mozilla now? Haven't they lost the first place to Chrome browser?

I think this could be good for bitcoin community, more publicity, easier bitcoin payments for new users, but i'm worried about security, other browsers had problems with malware that changes bitcoin address. And we will need to use a bitgo wallet?

I would imagine it'll work similarily to changetip etc, meaning it's not meant to be a 'wallet', just a dedicated account for sending/receiving micro-transactions.

Integrating proper wallet is not feasible for the purpose of small txs, as in such case the txs would be happening on-chain and would have to include standard miners fees.

I just don't think this will work. I think it's a laudable idea -- produce less intrusive ads, displayed in a standard manner that don't include bothersome AUTO-START VIDEOS (the WORST content/traffic offenders!) and don't allow intrusive pop-ups. That said, you have to get current advertisers and sites to ALLOW your browser! What if they detect and BLOCK your browser altogether, due to the fact that you block standard advertising? Then you will have a useless paperweight.  Bottom line: Content is FREE on most sites precisely BECAUSE of ADs. If you start holding hostage the people who already PAY for normal ads, then you won't have very many content producers willing to use your service or allow your product. That said, current advertising, though absolutely necessary for us to have the content that we have, is overly-draining on IT resources, overly-intrusive and incredibly annoying --- especially AUTO-PLAYING VIDEO!!!!

This is good for bitcoin! I will watch this project.
We don't know could this be success or not but is interesting,
and its real example how everyday things can serve to bitcoin..

As I get it receiving and sending tips on ChangeTip don't require paying fees so will the Brave browser company be paying the fees themselves? This could be useful if you are getting a lot of micropayments every month and don't want to get destroyed with the transaction fees. Then at the end of the month you just withdraw everything to your normal wallet for almost nothing.

I may need to have a better look at ChangeTip now during the weekend it spiked my interest.

I just knew something like this will come up that will challenge all the top search engine company this is a welcome news to the community,who knows with bitcoin growing they could pose a big challenge on some of top searching company ,have bookmarked it and see how it will go

That's great! I their browser speed test video on the iOS comparing Safari with Brave, seems pretty quick to load the pages they've tested it on. But I have a question about how the integration of BTC wallet into the browser will benefit the users? Will it allow making Bitcoin payments? or does this somehow benefit the users and help them earn and somehow this is all correlated with the ad-blocking?

sounds very interesting i'll watch this one, thanks for the heads up

Interesting idea but like so many others it's solving a problem that doesn't really exist. Hardly anyone tips, lots of folks block all ads anyway and they'll devote time to free workarounds rather than cough up.

i hope they will integrate it in google instead, i welcome those new browser if they are fast enough, but the point is that they will always be a niche thing, because google has the monopoly

I reckon it'll be free to send payments within their own network (off-chain) but they'll probably charge some small fee on withdrawals (on top of miners fees).

That's how Changetip works, although withdrawal fees are currently waived:


https://www.changetip.com/fees



You're confusing search engines with browsers.

maybe development of Bitcoin-in-browser type experiences will be more securely achieved through using pruned node setups to integrate/be able to add on browser content - approaching from the Bitcoin side toward browser, rather than this 'add' Bitcoin onto an existing browser setup... ?

The blocking of external advertisements will automatically eliminate a huge portion of the Bitcoin faucet users. The majority of new adopters comes from people who started out

with faucets. It sound good at first, because it incorporate micro payments but the blocking of advertisements has a significant impact. Just create a plugin for micro payments

for IE and Firefox and include it as a default function and we set.  ::)

It seems really promising. However, the restriction to use only BitGo's wallet is not really cool. That's still good but it could be a lot better.

Apparently it blocks the ads already on the site and substitutes them with its own ads so you see ads just not what is already on the site. This should waste more bandwidth though because it's downloading ads on top of the page. Probably not good for mobile usage.

That's great news that someone from one of the most used browsers' company has joined hands with BitGo in order to build such a great browser for BTC-integrated payments available...

But the only thing being disliked here is, they will replace the ads with their own ads, I guess no-ads version would definitely do much better...

This is fantastic news. Always been a fan of the Mozilla people and everyone loves faster.  Most important of course is the acceptance of BTC.

the in browser feature should only be used for pocket money amount to pay someone a few cents as a tip..
for larger amounts it would be advisable to send it to a non bitgo address. same principles of only using coinbase or blockchain.info for daily spend and then cold store for lifetime savings


well its just a feature.. nothing will stop you copying and pasting the bitcoin address from the page itself into your own client rather then within the browser extension/widget

The more applications in the way of bitcoin the better. But I don't think the majority of people using the internet for their daily browsing will have much interest in this as it does do much for them.
If they implemented a faucet like thing for using it, then I can see it appealing to people who don't use bitcoin at the moment. Sort of like an introduction to the bitcoin world with giving you a satoshi per site you surf  :D

I think some of you got a bit wrong picture. Brave will not strip publishers completely from ad revenue, nor will it remove all the ads. Not sure how exactly will that work, but as per arstechnica:


Obviously the publishers won't love it, but there's still an incentive for them (and not to block users who use Brave). And if those 15% for users will be converted and distributed in BTC - that's a pretty good news. What Bitcoin economy is lacking the most at the moment imho is not enough users earning BTC in any way. This could be small step ahead.

exactly this.

basically it makes every site a possible faucet (i cant remember the last time i saw a website without ads)

A little follow up, interview with Brendan Eich by Bitcoin.com

Mozilla’s Co-Founder on His ‘Brave’ New Bitcoin-Powered Browser

https://news.bitcoin.com/mozillas-co-founder-brave-new-bitcoin-powered-browser/

I try to install it with no luck and with too many errors.

This I a great idea. I'm definitely going to keep my eye on this. Thanks for the post!

I wouldn't bet on the browser's Privacy (http://bitcoinist.net/brave-browsers-ad-replacement-system-vulture-in-lions-clothing/) just yet. The gist is that Brave Inc. doesn't collect information, but the browser definitely does. On a massive scale. They just offload the analytics to the user's computer and reap the benefits while saving on server costs. Worth a discussion here for sure. read the FAQ on their main site if you don't believe me.


It's just the one mozilla guy that got booted for funding anti-gay lobbies, if I remember correctly.

I like the idea, one more browser is also good. Tired of chrome now, I.E. Sucks, Firefox also show ages. A new browser is always good. Just hope there are new features other than Bitcoin.
Can user get paid to go to various web sites? I think Google should pay us to use chrome, because they are collecting data.

I downloaded the developer edition and the browser is still in alpha stage very limited functionality. I would like to wait for a beta build with most of the features included to see how it will perform.

thanks for sharing,bookmarked one of this site,i wonder about this new browser,if that browser blocked ads and replace that ads with their ads,what benefit for us?it still unblock ads,because i hate ads who came like pop up windows.

i've been ope that official Brave website,but i dont found any clarification that this browser intergrated Bitcoin micropayment,or maybe i dont see it?can anyone tell me how its works (micropayment)?

I've downloaded it and am using it both on my laptop and my smartphone. Finally got rid of those pesky commercials and shitty banners.
It has worked out fine to me so far.

If it's secure then this would be great, a browser specialized for bitcoin! it's chrome based, Right?

wow, this is very interesting. especially if it is anything like Mozilla FireFox (or any of its similar projects) that would be awesome.
and since it is also Open Source i am sure it is going to be a very good browser and will become popular among crypto users very fast.

I think the Brave browser will be banned on almost all the nigh-traffic websites that rely heavily on showing paid ads for revenue just like they deal with the Adblock at the moment. At least with Brave we will be getting paid to watch someone else's ads which is not a deal breaker for me.

That is great, thank you for posting it mate. Integrating BTC micropayments in web browser sounds like great idea and i will sure try this browser as soon as possible. I just hope it will use firefox engine.

As a huge fan of mozzila and mozilla's devolopers It is really fantastic news for me. I will keep my eye on it and can't help to see it soon. I think that will blow the bitcoin industry and make some rare change for bitcoin and bitcoin users.

mozzila developer always develop good browser,it will always compete with google chrome,and by the way,is this browser better than chrome? ;D

That sounds interesting, but I think they are going to keep track of your bitcoin transactions. Which will make it traceable.

well my same question... you can use multibit and chrome without problem... such new system could compete?