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Title: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: LiteCoinGuy on January 22, 2016, 06:02:10 PM Bitstamp and BTC-e now blocked by Russian ISPs
https://twitter.com/btcecom/status/690539469167026178 Meanwhile... http://up.picr.de/24362639dq.png http://up.picr.de/24362679ej.jpg Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: newIndia on January 22, 2016, 06:39:07 PM Is LocalBitcoins blocked too ?
Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: Amph on January 22, 2016, 07:27:56 PM until they block all the vpn and vps provider, they are doing nothing there, if they are intelligent enough they should know this
besides youc an always trade bitcoin in other way and with plenty of other website Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: SuperCoinGuy on January 22, 2016, 07:49:10 PM BTC-e exchange is based in Russia isn't it? Can the Russians circumvent this by using a VPN?
Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: spazzdla on January 22, 2016, 08:01:52 PM They are basically trying to ban gold.. GOOD LUCK NOOBS.
Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: unamis76 on January 22, 2016, 10:41:29 PM BTC-e exchange is based in Russia isn't it? Can the Russians circumvent this by using a VPN? Quote I wrote a comment a while back on why it's really not clear that BTC-e is in Bulgaria, since it's a particularly persistent point of contention, but decided I might as well pull it all into one post. 1) BTC-e's creators are Russian. Qouting the linked CoinDesk article: BTC-e is anything but transparent: it uses third-party banking services to keep its name out of official records. At least one of the banks involved in the process is located in the Czech Republic; the BTC-e site references Bulgaria in its SEO descriptions; the founders, Russian programmers Aleksey and Alexander, honed their skills at the Skolkovo tech park; and the BTC-e managing company is based in Cyprus. 2) Their previous domain registrar is Russian. 3) They use Cloudflare, a service to prevent DDoSing that masks where a website is hosted, so you cannot tell where their servers are located. 4) Their TOS now refers to Cyprus, not Bulgaria as it did in the past. 5) The only place on their website where Bulgaria is mentioned is the search engine description. 6) The only languages the websites support are Russian, Chinese, and English; their support site is in Russian and English, and the documention for their beta API is written only in Russian. Source (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1wwvdk/btce_under_serious_investigation_by_bank_of_russia/) Nobody know where they really are, basically. And yes, they can probably use a VPN. Also, they already have an alternate link working for Russian users (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=396629.msg13644839#msg13644839): https://btc-e.nz/ Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: mayax on January 22, 2016, 11:14:08 PM https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitcoin-exchange-btc-e-blocked-russian-regulator/
it happened with Bistamp too but "I like" the way Bitstamp is saying ". Bitstamp is a recognized leader in operating a safe, fully compliant exchange" WTF!?!? They lost 5 mil last year (recognized leader in operating a safe) and how are they fully compliant when Bitstamp is NOT a financial license company? They are not audited, they are not under any authority. Compliant with whom? :)) They are liars :) Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: pawel7777 on January 22, 2016, 11:31:43 PM Not much of a move against Bitcoin per se, more of preventing Ruble from dropping even further. Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: Ya-ing on January 22, 2016, 11:34:44 PM That blocks mass adoption a little. But Bitcoin users tend to be tech-guys that can easily use some method to still access exchanges.
Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: gentlemand on January 23, 2016, 12:00:43 AM I was under the impression that Bitstamp themselves had blocked Russian users. I could be wrong. I wonder when all this Russian crap will be settled. One person says they're jailing everyone ever, then the next minute some banking official shouts about being rather fond of it all.
Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: QuestionAuthority on January 23, 2016, 01:22:32 AM FYI: BTCe moved to Cyprus a couple years ago.
Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: Pab on January 23, 2016, 01:33:12 AM Russian gov is working for offiicial btc banThay will be first and only one what will consider btc like a illigal
Why Dictatorship Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: jacktheking on January 23, 2016, 01:37:21 AM Russia is the largest country in the world. Blocking it will affect a lot of Bitcoiner that uses Bitstamps and BTC-e. Thankfully that there is ways to bypass the block or just simply use another site. The bad thing here is that new Russian will not know about the existence of cryptocurrency.
until they block all the vpn and vps provider, they are doing nothign there, if they are intelligent enough they should know this besides youc an always trade bitcoin in other way and with plenty of other website Yes agree. I'd say that the majority of Bitcoiners is very tech-savvy. They would simply use a VPN, VPS or Tor Browser to bypass the blocked sites. Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: White sugar on January 23, 2016, 03:25:52 AM Such useless effort to block sites, can be bypassed easily thru vpn or proxy tho,different if they do arrest bitcoin user Not useless, will make people be afraid that in the future they do arrest people or cut the fiat-BTC channel, so people will avoid invest in Bitcoins and the adoption will stop. Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: funkenstein on January 23, 2016, 03:37:32 AM Such useless effort to block sites, can be bypassed easily thru vpn or proxy tho,different if they do arrest bitcoin user Not useless, will make people be afraid that in the future they do arrest people or cut the fiat-BTC channel, so people will avoid invest in Bitcoins and the adoption will stop. Yeah kinda like when water sees a net ahead in the river and decides to flow uphill to avoid it. Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: AliceWonderMiscreations on January 23, 2016, 03:41:49 AM BTC-e exchange is based in Russia isn't it? Can the Russians circumvent this by using a VPN? Quote I wrote a comment a while back on why it's really not clear that BTC-e is in Bulgaria, since it's a particularly persistent point of contention, but decided I might as well pull it all into one post. 1) BTC-e's creators are Russian. Qouting the linked CoinDesk article: BTC-e is anything but transparent: it uses third-party banking services to keep its name out of official records. At least one of the banks involved in the process is located in the Czech Republic; the BTC-e site references Bulgaria in its SEO descriptions; the founders, Russian programmers Aleksey and Alexander, honed their skills at the Skolkovo tech park; and the BTC-e managing company is based in Cyprus. 2) Their previous domain registrar is Russian. 3) They use Cloudflare, a service to prevent DDoSing that masks where a website is hosted, so you cannot tell where their servers are located. 4) Their TOS now refers to Cyprus, not Bulgaria as it did in the past. 5) The only place on their website where Bulgaria is mentioned is the search engine description. 6) The only languages the websites support are Russian, Chinese, and English; their support site is in Russian and English, and the documention for their beta API is written only in Russian. Source (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1wwvdk/btce_under_serious_investigation_by_bank_of_russia/) Nobody know where they really are, basically. And yes, they can probably use a VPN. Also, they already have an alternate link working for Russian users (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=396629.msg13644839#msg13644839): https://btc-e.nz/ Do they have some sort of cryptographic method in place that users can use to make sure an alternate domain is not a fishing attempt? e.g. DNSSEC for the server, posting the public signing key signed by a known key from the old site? Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: Jet Cash on January 23, 2016, 03:53:29 AM Russia seems to be ambivalent towards Bitcoin, and their attitude may be coloured by their ambition to have oil prices quoted in Rubles rather than dollars. They are also buying physical gold, and this may be to underpin the future value of the Ruble. I suspect that the volume of Bitcoin transactions may not be significant in their economy, but they seem to want to keep out Jamie Dimon derivatives problems, and this may have got linked into Bitcoin in some way. There is an article about this in Bitcoin magazine.
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/russia-makes-an-election-year-for-bitcoin-1453484141 Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: justspare on January 23, 2016, 03:55:45 AM I really don't know why Russia would do this. I know that Bitcoin isn't very prominent in Russia but still. ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: mayax on January 23, 2016, 04:09:57 AM FYI: BTCe moved to Cyprus a couple years ago. If they did that, then BTC-e must have a financial license according to EU laws. I am sure they don't have it as many other exchangers. All the exchangers are making millions of USD(or at least this what they say) but when it's about to get a financial license, only 2-3 have it. :) The question is WHY if they are correct and have nothing to hide. Bitstamp is one of them too. Based in EU, they are dealing with US clients but no license. Kraken in USA and I think they will be raided soon. They are based in USA but no financial license. They are stupids or too arrogant to realize that it's not a joke and that they can stand behind bars for years. A forum or a Coindesk cannot protect you agains FEDs or Police. Yes, yes, many of you will say "don't care" but...make a search and you will find a lot of people in jail because of their arrogance. Also, when Feds or police will raid(it's just a matter of them) one of these big exchanger, BE SURE your funds will be gone(seized). They posed like Bitcoin gods and now they are crying in cells along with a "daddy" :) Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: DecentralizeEconomics on January 23, 2016, 05:14:11 AM Can't block decentralized NXT multigateway exchanges which allow you to trade BTC and a multitude of alts.
https://i.imgur.com/n738k9M.png Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: stingers on January 23, 2016, 05:19:24 AM until they block all the vpn and vps provider, they are doing nothign there, if they are intelligent enough they should know this How will they ban all the free VPN/ Home VPN providers? They will keep on popping up. Also, what can be done about Tor? besides youc an always trade bitcoin in other way and with plenty of other website This ban almost absolutely means nothing for the existing people who are dealing with bitcoin. Though it may make bitcoin look less attractive to the new users. Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: pooya87 on January 23, 2016, 06:01:51 AM until they block all the vpn and vps provider, they are doing nothign there, if they are intelligent enough they should know this How will they ban all the free VPN/ Home VPN providers? They will keep on popping up. Also, what can be done about Tor? besides youc an always trade bitcoin in other way and with plenty of other website This ban almost absolutely means nothing for the existing people who are dealing with bitcoin. Though it may make bitcoin look less attractive to the new users. it may be true, but nobody likes to take this additional step of using vpn or Tor to access websites regularly. it would become a pain in the ass. besides using all those things are not free of risk. Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: Bitcoinpro on January 23, 2016, 06:30:13 AM Russia now as desperate as North Korea
Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: ... ... on January 23, 2016, 06:37:17 AM What is it "Russia joins North Korea" ::)
I think so, on the surface of Russia is a democracy, but some aspects are not, what do you think? Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: Kprawn on January 23, 2016, 07:11:54 AM There are a lot of people for and against governments in any country. The people against the government, will become aware of Bitcoin when they see this attempted ban. They
will start using Bitcoin to stick it to the government. The government block one site and another pop up elsewhere.... If there are a full ban, people will react and take it underground. The Russians will push people towards this technology without even knowing it. ;D Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: Rizky Aditya on January 23, 2016, 07:41:26 AM What does Russia have to lose by letting their people use Bitcoin? They have no reason to ban exchanges.
Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: Bitcoinpro on January 23, 2016, 08:11:37 AM I really don't know why Russia would do this. I know that Bitcoin isn't very prominent in Russia but still. ??? ??? ??? u sound lile risky from the other Russian thread talk sht much? Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: DimensionZ on January 23, 2016, 08:13:41 AM What does Russia have to lose by letting their people use Bitcoin? They have no reason to ban exchanges. The Russian government wants to exert control over their citizens. Allowing them to have a financial freedom in the form of anonymous Bitcoin is a threat. Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: LiteCoinGuy on January 23, 2016, 08:23:42 AM Russia is the largest country in the world. Blocking it will affect a lot of Bitcoiner that uses Bitstamps and BTC-e. Thankfully that there is ways to bypass the block or just simply use another site. The bad thing here is that new Russian will not know about the existence of cryptocurrency. until they block all the vpn and vps provider, they are doing nothign there, if they are intelligent enough they should know this besides youc an always trade bitcoin in other way and with plenty of other website Yes agree. I'd say that the majority of Bitcoiners is very tech-savvy. They would simply use a VPN, VPS or Tor Browser to bypass the blocked sites. -you are talking about land mass here right? what is the point? - because young russians always follow their dictators? everything that is illegal is used alot in russia. Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: Bitcoinpro on January 23, 2016, 08:29:52 AM Can't block decentralized NXT multigateway exchanges which allow you to trade BTC and a multitude of alts. https://i.imgur.com/n738k9M.png when they run the roost like NK u know they are big dealers in drugs prostitution and money laundering could u imagine if they caught u phtographing NK gov workers handling big bags of crystal meth or any number of other dodgy pictures u could get Singapore is the same Jail for Anti gov posts on Facebook yet a thousand kilometres of supposedly illegal street brothels, corruption in ur face Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: Asseb on January 23, 2016, 09:04:38 AM They should not block all VPN, so to do is to join the North Korea, no, the Russian people do not agree with this
Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: Denker on January 23, 2016, 10:43:23 AM Well let's see how this will play out in the long run. For the actual Bitcoin users in Russia there are and will be ways to bypass this blocks.
Bitcoiners are pretty tech savvy and therefore they will be able to continue buying bitcoins. But decentralized exchanges would be really nice to have as third party services which are centralized can be easily attacked as we can see. Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: vrm86 on January 23, 2016, 10:47:46 AM This is only a sign of the powerlessness of the russian authorities, as the source of problems with Russia economy is in the fact, that it almost completely relies on the fossil fuels trading. As the Iran is coming back in to the business, Putin can only channel his frustration elsewhere.
Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: ronald98 on January 23, 2016, 11:15:20 AM FYI: BTCe moved to Cyprus a couple years ago. If they did that, then BTC-e must have a financial license according to EU laws. I am sure they don't have it as many other exchangers. That depends on which half of Cyprus BTCe moved to. There is the self-declared Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, and the other half called Southern Cyprus. Northern Cyprus is not recognized by the EU so doesn't have to abide by its laws. Southern Cyprus is recognized by the EU so has to abide by its laws. No countries except Turkey recognize Northern Cyprus, so if BTCe moved there it only has to abide by Turkish law. Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: Windpower on January 23, 2016, 11:53:11 AM until they block all the vpn and vps provider, they are doing nothign there, if they are intelligent enough they should know this How will they ban all the free VPN/ Home VPN providers? They will keep on popping up. Also, what can be done about Tor? besides youc an always trade bitcoin in other way and with plenty of other website This ban almost absolutely means nothing for the existing people who are dealing with bitcoin. Though it may make bitcoin look less attractive to the new users. it may be true, but nobody likes to take this additional step of using vpn or Tor to access websites regularly. it would become a pain in the ass. besides using all those things are not free of risk. Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: Daniel91 on January 23, 2016, 12:00:25 PM It seems that only dictators fear bitcoin :)
Bitcoin is about freedom and anonymity, 2 terms they don't like much. I'm not sure if they really can stop bitcoin in their countries. Maybe N. Korea can because only a few people there can use computers and Internet, under strict control. Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: ausbit on January 23, 2016, 12:04:23 PM I really don't know why Russia would do this. I know that Bitcoin isn't very prominent in Russia but still. ??? ??? ??? I can say that whatever the reason from Russia, they blocks Bitcoins exchanges or do anything, we must say that we have to save Bitcoins for our future here. And should follow what our Seniors mentors says about it.Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: NorrisK on January 23, 2016, 12:12:13 PM until they block all the vpn and vps provider, they are doing nothing there, if they are intelligent enough they should know this besides youc an always trade bitcoin in other way and with plenty of other website Very true, but for new users the use of vpn and vps providers may be just that extra step to take that they don't feel like. For existing users, it is no problem, they are tech savvy or interested enough to find ways around it, but for new users it becomes much more difficult to enter. Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: Betwrong on January 23, 2016, 12:19:29 PM It seems that only dictators fear bitcoin :) Bitcoin is about freedom and anonymity, 2 terms they don't like much. I'm not sure if they really can stop bitcoin in their countries. Maybe N. Korea can because only a few people there can use computers and Internet, under strict control. I agree. In modern day Russia, in distinction from North Korea, it's impossible to make people stop using Bitcoin. Of course they can change the legislation and things will be different but let's hope this won't happen. Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: Amph on January 23, 2016, 01:50:00 PM What next? Block Localbitcoin, any bitcoin-related website, VPN, Tor, Proxy or Bitcoin Nodes? Guess there's no freedom for Russian & bitcoin is threat for their centralized currency. But, what's point of block bitcoin exchanges in North Korea? There aren't too many computer & internet connection is very rare, so forget about block bitcoin, people there even don't know bitcoin. there are decentralized exchange coming, it would be funny to see how they intend to block those all this story about blocking and banning bitcoin was ridiculous since the beginning, even fed admitted that they cna not block bitcoin(i remember it soem years ago) Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: smartfriend on January 23, 2016, 02:05:38 PM may i help russian to get a money back
Bitcoin > IDR (Indonesian Rupiah) > Russian Rubbel/US Dollar low fees ... pm me :D Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: fuathan on January 23, 2016, 02:08:42 PM Most of the BTC trading systems based on Russia. Bad news for newbies... :-\
Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: xdrpx on January 23, 2016, 02:12:48 PM According to a tweet I found on a news website it was a Russian ISP that was blocking access to BTC-E. The ISP's name is Roskomnadzor and has added BTC-E to the blacklist. I'm guessing people by now would have figured out how to bypass access and regain access to their accounts. It's a very silly move by the Russian Federation Government to deny access to exchanges online.
Title: Re: Russia joins North Korea - blocks bitcoin exchanges Post by: chennan on January 23, 2016, 02:21:01 PM Such useless effort to block sites, can be bypassed easily thru vpn or proxy tho,different if they do arrest bitcoin user Not useless, will make people be afraid that in the future they do arrest people or cut the fiat-BTC channel, so people will avoid invest in Bitcoins and the adoption will stop. But still though, even though citizens of Russia won't be able to cash out so easily on their ISP's to bitstamp or something like that... they can still sell locally at at localbtc, as seen in the OP's pictures... Also they can easily get VPN's or maybe run through Tor to get on bitstamp. It's really not (or shouldn't be seen as) that big of a deal. While we're on the subject, I think we all knew that North Korea has blocked bitcoin exchanges lol... hell they've, in a way, blocked "food". There are starving people in North Korea, I don't think they are too worried about exchanging some bitcoins. |
