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Title: Great news 4 European Bitcoiners
Post by: Blawpaw on January 25, 2016, 06:38:45 PM
It seems that the European Union decided to go soft on digital currencies.

Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-bitcoin-regulations-idUSKCN0V32A3) says:


EU says to monitor, not regulate 'hyped' virtual currencies

"The European Union will monitor rather than regulate "hyped" virtual currencies for now, because too little is known to justify new rules beyond reining in specific risks like money-laundering, the body's executive said on Monday.

The world's 600 virtual currencies are tiny, with bitcoin alone accounting for 90 percent of the $7 billion sector, compared with daily turnover of about $5 trillion on global foreign exchange markets.

Virtual currencies are traded online and not backed by a central bank. The collapse of bitcoin exchange Mt. Gox two years ago raised concerns about consumer protection in a largely self-regulated, experimental sector."


Title: Re: Great news 4 European Bitcoiners
Post by: unamis76 on January 25, 2016, 06:43:22 PM
Is this news a result of this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1340435.0) meeting?

As I've said in the other topic, I don't like it when the EU discusses Bitcoin, but I have to admit they're having a good attitude towards it


Title: Re: Great news 4 European Bitcoiners
Post by: countryfree on January 25, 2016, 11:11:17 PM
Hey, wait! Let' not rejoice, yet. We don't know the difference between monitoring and regulating. It might not be a big one. Anyway, that meeting proved useful to show that all noise about BTC being used by terrorists, or for money laundering, is just that: noise. There are no proven facts.


Title: Re: Great news 4 European Bitcoiners
Post by: BTCBinary on January 25, 2016, 11:18:22 PM
I find this to be great news.
Even though the difference between monitoring and regulating might not be much, as the previous post mentions it is a breath of fresh air for european based startups


Title: Re: Great news 4 European Bitcoiners
Post by: NorrisK on January 25, 2016, 11:21:56 PM
Hey, wait! Let' not rejoice, yet. We don't know the difference between monitoring and regulating. It might not be a big one. Anyway, that meeting proved useful to show that all noise about BTC being used by terrorists, or for money laundering, is just that: noise. There are no proven facts.

As far as I understood, the monitoring means that they will be investigating suspicious transactions e.g. suspected for being involved in terrorism.

Also, they are training digital forensics teams now, that can for instance hunt down tor users and follow bitcoin transactions and ip adresses.

It is good news, as basically everybody already knew that they were doing this monitoring thing.


Title: Re: Great news 4 European Bitcoiners
Post by: OROBTC on January 26, 2016, 12:56:59 AM
...

If this means that buying BTC will be easier in Europe than in the USA, I will convince my wife that more trips to Paris and Germany are in order.  I'll bring the CA$H and/or debit cards.

:)

PLEASE keep us all up to speed re developments in BTC over there in Europe.

*   *   *

Are many merchants starting to accept BTC in Europe? 

That would be good to know as well.


Title: Re: Great news 4 European Bitcoiners
Post by: Kakmakr on January 26, 2016, 06:17:40 AM
Hey, like it or not, some regulation and monitoring will happen and we should just accept it. The governments has a obligation to protect their citizens against terrorists and/or consumer protection against fraud and scams. So I agree with their views on that.

The positive thing about this is, the door was left open for discussion and further investigation. They could have just closed the door and forced the current financial systems down on us and they did not do that. Let's just enjoy the small steps we are taking towards a better Bitcoin future. 


Title: Re: Great news 4 European Bitcoiners
Post by: avw1982 on January 26, 2016, 06:32:05 AM
I find this to be great news.
Even though the difference between monitoring and regulating might not be much, as the previous post mentions it is a breath of fresh air for european based startups

Europeans are good in forum activities than other Continent people. Now this time it would make them grow smoothly without any disturbance over the market. It seems to be a good startup as you said, the reason behind that it has got growing number of users than rest of the world countries. So one willing to take leadership will achieve greatness


Title: Re: Great news 4 European Bitcoiners
Post by: crazywack on January 26, 2016, 06:36:55 AM
Also saw that London taxicabs will soon be accepting Bitcoin :) not sure how they are set up across the pond but here in the US it's a monopoly between a few companies.

http://www.coinfox.info/news/persons/4569-london-cab-driver-all-taxis-will-accept-cryptocurrencies-in-the-near-future (http://www.coinfox.info/news/persons/4569-london-cab-driver-all-taxis-will-accept-cryptocurrencies-in-the-near-future)


Title: Re: Great news 4 European Bitcoiners
Post by: robelneo on January 26, 2016, 06:50:25 AM
These indeed god news Europe is a big market and it has an over all impact on the bitcoin system,although I live in the Asian region i can perceive this as something positive in the community,
Hopefully all regions will follow their leads


Title: Re: Great news 4 European Bitcoiners
Post by: Jet Cash on January 26, 2016, 07:06:17 AM
Also saw that London taxicabs will soon be accepting Bitcoin :) not sure how they are set up across the pond but here in the US it's a monopoly between a few companies.

http://www.coinfox.info/news/persons/4569-london-cab-driver-all-taxis-will-accept-cryptocurrencies-in-the-near-future (http://www.coinfox.info/news/persons/4569-london-cab-driver-all-taxis-will-accept-cryptocurrencies-in-the-near-future)

There are two problems with taxi fares. One is the risk of theft of cash. Taxi drivers are constantly at risk when they carry bags of cash. This is especially true in the provinces, and there have been many instances of theft at knife-point. The other problem is one for the government, taxi drivers traditionally receive a tip, and the revenue department has difficulty in monitoring this. I read that article as requiring taxi drivers to accept credit card payments. The Bitcoin element resulted from the use of secondary services.

The government is also attempting to force lay-by ( roadside ) food vendors to restrict sales solely to credit card customers. This will affect some itinerant people and some single people on low incomes, as they do not have credit cards.


Title: Re: Great news 4 European Bitcoiners
Post by: crazyivan on January 26, 2016, 07:20:17 AM
Even if there would be some form of regulation, that would be acceptable IMO as well.

Scammers and ponzi pumpers are the biggest peril of cryptocurrencies. People who make money in a legit way have nothing to fear.


Title: Re: Great news 4 European Bitcoiners
Post by: NorrisK on January 26, 2016, 07:26:56 AM
Even if there would be some form of regulation, that would be acceptable IMO as well.

Scammers and ponzi pumpers are the biggest peril of cryptocurrencies. People who make money in a legit way have nothing to fear.

That thinking is the start of bitcoin becoming the next government controlled currency ;)

In all seriousness, I agree with you. Criminals have been running wild with bitcoin for far too long. It is time they start paying for it.


Title: Re: Great news 4 European Bitcoiners
Post by: Karartma1 on January 26, 2016, 08:08:56 AM
To me there is not so much difference between the words regulate and monitor when a EU institution is talking. I don't want neither regulation nor monitoring from them.


Title: Re: Great news 4 European Bitcoiners
Post by: Amph on January 26, 2016, 08:14:16 AM
as long as they do not hinder the adoption of bitcoin i'm fine, regulation can bring more adoption, so they cna even regulate it for what i care

but too much regulation would kill the point of decentralization i think...


Title: Re: Great news 4 European Bitcoiners
Post by: Bitcoinpro on January 26, 2016, 08:16:08 AM
bogus regulatory bodies lol


Title: Re: Great news 4 European Bitcoiners
Post by: SFR10 on January 26, 2016, 08:17:38 AM
I really like how this went as their now seem to be of a good observer type then act as opposed to before to act and observe type so it's really nice what was their side specially for Olivier Salles and Jakob von Weizsaecker. It's showing their understanding the technology little by little and their only concern is regarding terrorism financing in which it has been the debate for quite some time now and would be interesting to see what they will do regarding this matter by next months regulations.


Title: Re: Great news 4 European Bitcoiners
Post by: Bitcoinpro on January 26, 2016, 08:37:56 AM
I cant speak for anyone else bit I couldnt care less about the

outcomes of these meetings where i suspect most of the

attendees to suffer from extreme flouride poisoning and

different stages of Alzhiemers

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img910/6019/ug1n3e.gif


Title: Re: Great news 4 European Bitcoiners
Post by: DimensionZ on January 26, 2016, 09:28:34 AM
Well the politicians will just stay away for now but if the prices go above $1000 they will want to regulate cryptos to make us pay taxes.


Title: Re: Great news 4 European Bitcoiners
Post by: 1Referee on January 26, 2016, 09:39:09 AM
It's OK news, nothing special. At this point the digital currencies aren't that big of a threat to them so it doesn't bother them much. But look what will happen when these currencies start to take over precious market share of fiat. :D That's when they will come to action.


Title: Re: Great news 4 European Bitcoiners
Post by: elizabethqueen on January 26, 2016, 11:04:25 AM
It seems that the European Union decided to go soft on digital currencies.

Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-bitcoin-regulations-idUSKCN0V32A3) says:


EU says to monitor, not regulate 'hyped' virtual currencies

"The European Union will monitor rather than regulate "hyped" virtual currencies for now, because too little is known to justify new rules beyond reining in specific risks like money-laundering, the body's executive said on Monday.

The world's 600 virtual currencies are tiny, with bitcoin alone accounting for 90 percent of the $7 billion sector, compared with daily turnover of about $5 trillion on global foreign exchange markets.

Virtual currencies are traded online and not backed by a central bank. The collapse of bitcoin exchange Mt. Gox two years ago raised concerns about consumer protection in a largely self-regulated, experimental sector."
i just think this is good news and bad news too ;D
if consumer protection in a largely self-regulated applicated,i am worry about small trader who ask protection from goverment,that they lost or scammed by exchange,and it just losing $1 or $2 :D


Title: Re: Great news 4 European Bitcoiners
Post by: Kprawn on January 26, 2016, 03:26:57 PM
It seems that the European Union decided to go soft on digital currencies.

Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-bitcoin-regulations-idUSKCN0V32A3) says:


EU says to monitor, not regulate 'hyped' virtual currencies

"The European Union will monitor rather than regulate "hyped" virtual currencies for now, because too little is known to justify new rules beyond reining in specific risks like money-laundering, the body's executive said on Monday.

The world's 600 virtual currencies are tiny, with bitcoin alone accounting for 90 percent of the $7 billion sector, compared with daily turnover of about $5 trillion on global foreign exchange markets.

Virtual currencies are traded online and not backed by a central bank. The collapse of bitcoin exchange Mt. Gox two years ago raised concerns about consumer protection in a largely self-regulated, experimental sector."
i just think this is good news and bad news too ;D
if consumer protection in a largely self-regulated applicated,i am worry about small trader who ask protection from goverment,that they lost or scammed by exchange,and it just losing $1 or $2 :D

If I had to chose between Bitcoin being regulated or Bitcoin being banned, I would definitely go for a little regulation.  ::) There is a fine line between

fair regulation and over regulation. I think the BitLicence in the USA were a bad move on their part and they killing the little guys. The licences are so

expensive, most innovators cannot enter the field without help. Great ideas and Killer Bitcoin applications might just die a silent death, because

people could not afford the licences. Europe just have to keep away from following the same path and making the same mistakes.


Title: Re: Great news 4 European Bitcoiners
Post by: BellaBitBit on January 26, 2016, 03:43:18 PM
It's OK news, nothing special. At this point the digital currencies aren't that big of a threat to them so it doesn't bother them much. But look what will happen when these currencies start to take over precious market share of fiat. :D That's when they will come to action.

agreed.  It is OK news.  It is better than last month or two when they were suggesting legislation and regulation. 


Title: Re: Great news 4 European Bitcoiners
Post by: maokoto on January 26, 2016, 04:02:17 PM
It is good news. However, I somewhat get a feeling that they are doing this much of ignoring crypto, as if they were not all that important. Let'see how things keep going on.

Yes, Europe seems like a good place to have crypto.


Title: Re: Great news 4 European Bitcoiners
Post by: calkob on January 26, 2016, 04:28:57 PM
Is this news a result of this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1340435.0) meeting?

As I've said in the other topic, I don't like it when the EU discusses Bitcoin, but I have to admit they're having a good attitude towards it

Yeah i think it came out of a meeting yesterday of the monetary committee.  I have to agree that europe has had a fairly reasonable view on bitcoin and the like compard to say russia.


Title: Re: Great news 4 European Bitcoiners
Post by: Denker on January 26, 2016, 07:36:01 PM
Hey, like it or not, some regulation and monitoring will happen and we should just accept it. The governments has a obligation to protect their citizens against terrorists and/or consumer protection against fraud and scams. So I agree with their views on that.

The positive thing about this is, the door was left open for discussion and further investigation. They could have just closed the door and forced the current financial systems down on us and they did not do that. Let's just enjoy the small steps we are taking towards a better Bitcoin future. 

Well then I suggest the governments to have a very close look on the big banks!!!!
Money laundering, massive fraud and scamming, tax avoiding are all fields in which banks are highly skilled and always involved!!!!!


Title: Re: Great news 4 European Bitcoiners
Post by: onlinedragon on January 26, 2016, 07:49:27 PM
This is there opinion now besides that can change what they are thinking. For now good new let's see what the future will bring us.