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Title: Regulating frameworks for sugar Post by: lebing on January 01, 2013, 02:26:38 AM Though I want to disagree with him, the facts are not exactly in my favor.
http://www.psmag.com/health/robert-lustig-sugar-obesity-diet-50948/ What's a good argument against his? Title: Re: Regulating frameworks for sugar Post by: laughingbear on January 01, 2013, 02:28:51 AM liberty?
Title: Re: Regulating frameworks for sugar Post by: myrkul on January 01, 2013, 03:03:34 AM Though I want to disagree with him, the facts are not exactly in my favor. http://www.psmag.com/health/robert-lustig-sugar-obesity-diet-50948/ What's a good argument against his? Just about every anti-drug war argument will work. "Education hasn't worked for any addictive substance." Bullshit. Title: Re: Regulating frameworks for sugar Post by: dotcom on January 01, 2013, 05:28:33 PM “Education has not worked. Labeling has not worked. And they’re not going to work,” he told me in his characteristically emphatic way. “Education hasn’t worked for any addictive substance.”
Ummm...cigarettes? Last time I checked 1st-world (so to speak) profits from cigarettes have plummeted due to the education that "hasn't worked". They're only making up the sales by pumping up cigarette sales to developing countries. I do, however, agree with him that many countries (such as the U.S.) have serious sugar problems. People are almost becoming addicted to it. However, you can't control peoples lives and force them to do some things and not to do other things unless their actions are directly harming other people, and I don't see how people eating a lot of sugar harms me in any way. Title: Re: Regulating frameworks for sugar Post by: myrkul on January 01, 2013, 05:40:50 PM I don't see how people eating a lot of sugar harms me in any way. It only harms you because of the socialized and semi-socialized medical systems in the developed world. Because higher sugar intake causes higher medical costs, and they don't pay 100% of that cost, some of it is spread to you. Title: Re: Regulating frameworks for sugar Post by: lebing on January 01, 2013, 06:05:48 PM “Education has not worked. Labeling has not worked. And they’re not going to work,” he told me in his characteristically emphatic way. “Education hasn’t worked for any addictive substance.” Ummm...cigarettes? Last time I checked 1st-world (so to speak) profits from cigarettes have plummeted due to the education that "hasn't worked". They're only making up the sales by pumping up cigarette sales to developing countries. I do, however, agree with him that many countries (such as the U.S.) have serious sugar problems. People are almost becoming addicted to it. However, you can't control peoples lives and force them to do some things and not to do other things unless their actions are directly harming other people, and I don't see how people eating a lot of sugar harms me in any way. Tough to say it was just education, when the taxes have also gone up factors above what they were even when I was just a kid Title: Re: Regulating frameworks for sugar Post by: dotcom on January 01, 2013, 07:08:03 PM “Education has not worked. Labeling has not worked. And they’re not going to work,” he told me in his characteristically emphatic way. “Education hasn’t worked for any addictive substance.” Ummm...cigarettes? Last time I checked 1st-world (so to speak) profits from cigarettes have plummeted due to the education that "hasn't worked". They're only making up the sales by pumping up cigarette sales to developing countries. I do, however, agree with him that many countries (such as the U.S.) have serious sugar problems. People are almost becoming addicted to it. However, you can't control peoples lives and force them to do some things and not to do other things unless their actions are directly harming other people, and I don't see how people eating a lot of sugar harms me in any way. Tough to say it was just education, when the taxes have also gone up factors above what they were even when I was just a kid True, and they also lost a fair bit of political influence. While it might not have been the sole cause, the public awareness campaign was the largest proponent for getting people off cigarettes and its influence was vast. So to go as far as to say it education "hasn't worked" is untrue. Title: Re: Regulating frameworks for sugar Post by: ImNotHerb on January 01, 2013, 09:10:25 PM The real problem is people educated in public school are getting stupider and stooopider.
Title: Re: Regulating frameworks for sugar Post by: Lethn on January 02, 2013, 09:31:08 AM I don't smoke or eat stupid amounts of sugar every day and I actually live pretty healthily most of the time, if I ever have kids why the hell should they have to go through all this bullshit brainwashing just because other kids are being way more stupid? I expect there are plenty of parents out there who all have pretty healthy kids that would feel exactly the same about the government pestering their children in school to eat healthily.
It'd be really nice if governments stopped trying to mass produce children to fit into society. Title: Re: Regulating frameworks for sugar Post by: myrkul on January 02, 2013, 03:02:41 PM It'd be really nice if governments stopped FTFY. |