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They say their site is provably fair.  Which is complete bullshit.  3 times i Played there blackjack the dealer won 85% of the hands.  There Dice they have it if you play the over 50.5  it will go under 95% of the time.  There algorithm is set up to cheat its players.  STAY AWAY there site is rigged.

Do you think that all members here will trust what you are saying? Accusation without any valid proofs is useless, if you have proofs of what you say so please go to scam accusation section.

Do you have any more proofs beside your words? So you realize than your gambling session was too short to determine that system is rigged or not, right?
And your logic is flawed, if their system was truly rigged they would allow new player to WIN first and then when they feel lucky - rob them.

how do you attach a file.

What kind of file? An image?
Simply upload it to imgur.com and paste the link here.

Upload your file on some free hosting service and post a link here. I am sure that newbies account can't post pictures, but I am pretty sure you can leave a link to it even then.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/296710874/My-Casino-Wagers-Log-2

I think not even a link works if you are a newbie, you get the "you can't use a proxy" sort of image, the one with the white background and red font.
He has posted a scribd link, shouldn't have any risks, but if it's a pdf it actually can have some risks, so I will pass on clicking there.
Im interested to know if this is legit tho.

Have you gone through each hash and confirmed that they're not the same?

https://www.scribd.com/doc/296711325/My-Casino-Wagers-Log

Hey Nitro rig,

We want to make sure that you can independently verify the fairness of each of these hands. You can find all of the information including step-by-step instructions in the Casino Rules (https://nitrogensports.eu/blackjack/rules#) under the Provably Fair section.

If you have any questions about Blackjack, Dice or Provably Fair please don't hesitate to contact our support team here (https://nitrogensports.eu/n/support) or through email at support@nitrogensports.eu.

Thanks!
Calvin

All of the hashes were the same.  There were 2 false after verifying just 10 of the rolls.

Post those 2 fake ones..

SOrry for you lose, but its part of the game you win some you lose some, your just unlucky today,..

Huft...  read this thread as a joke, I think you are just out of luck, maybe another day you will receive your winnings :)

yes sometimes if someone defeats continuously or they think defeat of unnatural, it would accuse rigged. I experienced it. but I know that sites like nitrogensports long enough and famous may not like it

This happens because people do not understand what provably fair means. This guy thinks that a provably fair site/casino can't make you lose money, otherwise he would have said from the start that he tried to verify his bets and 2 of them were false.

Alright now kiddo, its time for you to go study maths. Variance to be specific. And remember , Don't gamble more than you can afford to lose, if are going to, at least have the dignity to not bitch about it later, and if you're going to do that, at least make it sound more convincing.

I play on nitro all the time for sportsbetting. In no way do I think they cheat their players but I have noticed funny things in poker,dice and blackjack. Enough to make me not want to play them. Again, I'm not saying they are doing anything wrong here this is just from my experience. They are a trusted bitcoin site and you need to provide proof that they are rigged. If you feel that way, find one of the other million bitcoin gambling sites to play.

Needless to say there will be no proofs shown by op. You should really do a little research before you throw your dummy out after such a small betting session. If you do have proof then start a scam accusation with the right layout with all added proof or be laughed at. The site has been going to long and to many well equipped eyes have seen it and know its legit. Ive never had any issues in over a year. It sounds like you cant handle losing which is fair enough, just dont gamble!

We can call it bad luck.. if you have some problem about financial gambling is not solution. its better to find a job than playing your earnings in gambling because gambling is for fun..

it is possible that it was just your bad day and that the website is not rigged just because you had a several bad runs in gambling, i think that its not a good proof that it is rigged

I stay away from the Blackjack there. You can never really trust online Blackjack but the amount of losses there compared to any other site is staggering. Anyone saying it was probably bad luck has most likely never played Blackjack at Nitrogen.

Thats not the only thing they rig. The poker rake is higher than any other site and the live betting is set to reject bets when he line moves in your favor and accepts bets when odds move out of your favor.  They do some shady stuff sometimes. Probably to mitigate the huge hits they take in the sportsbook.

i wouldnt be so sure about it and i dont think that it is rigged just because someone lost a couple of bets but i wouldnt be so confident that it is not true too so i dont know what to think about it

are they provably fair?

if not, just move away

they are a sportbook, not a casino, anyway

Of course nitrogen is a reputable place if the site was a scam there would be users doing accusations to them.

they are a sportsbook and now try to expand the business with casino, they will not launch a casino games without verified provably fair and it is already proven. you can check the provably fair there manually. this is just a pain of unlucky straight lost , i believe if people get a lucky straight win like 10 times in a row with high profit they will not share the experience like this , they only share the experience when lost like this, ironic.

I know what you feel man. Because the last time i play blackjack on nitrogensports, i got 5 lose streak and lose all my balance, even my card is good. it's always push, maybe i'm not lucky on that day.

Dude, its called gambling you won't be winning everytime there are times that you would be getting losing streaks. Try playing other blackjack in other casino's, you would still likely get the same results.

They should have a provably fair system in place. Did you confirm your bets?
Also, a lose streak of 8 is not very unusual. It will happen + even longer on ANY site with an edge when you martingale.
You could just be very unlucky. Most people will also only post their losses. If you get a win streak of 8, chances are you won't share it.

Just my 2 bits...

when losing streak on casino, you will accused them rigged, scam, and all not nice to hear word to them,
but you are blinded by angry, desperate or sad, think before accused anything.
anyway when you win it, you feel that its your luck is by your site, you own it and you wont say a thing to casino..
well thats gambling life. ;D

That's why i said i'm not lucky on that day and i know how is blackjack works. before you talk more, why not you try casino on nitrogensports and tell us what do you feel ?  ;)

There's a difference between it's not your day or unlucky day and rigged. You can't say they are rigged because you always lose. If you can post more instances and proof maybe it's possible but for now, you lost and don't be a sore loser and scream they are rigged.

I am sure that nitrogensports is provably fair. They dont want to ruin their reputable site just because of something like this. Btw they are now start to expand to casino too so they will need some provably fair though. Although most of them are playing their sportbook but there are some player that played in their casino too just to spend their free time

As my expirience about the site they are provably fair. And also the supports are active,
About his case I think he is no luck that's why he get lose many times...

I did and I won a bit in dice but as for now I use the  Sportsbook.

I don't know why anyone would ever play any online casino, dice, cards or luck based games of any kind online on any web site. You have to figure it's rigged no matter what anyone says.  At least with sports betting the outcome of the games or matches are not under the control of the people running the game so you know it's legit as long as they pay out. 

You talk about the odds;


Obviously the dice will not go over exactly 50.5% of the time for you; that's like one of those contests where they say "one in five chances of winning"; if you buy five things, you probably won't win one item. You can't blame Nitrogen Sports for this; you'll need better proof to show that they are rigged.

Nitrogen just expanded their service with some casino games like dice and blackjack some time ago, they are one of reputable and trusted site in this bitcoin gambling industry. So, they have provably fair mechanism where players can verify their bets on the casino games.

Whenever someone lose on a site then the site is rigged but when someone won  then no one complaint at all. There will be always alot more loser then winner and this guy who complained is just another loser from nitrogensports. If the site got provably fair then you can know if the game is rigged or not if you verify it

I think a lot of people here are commenting without actually trying the blackjack there. Deposit 0.01 BTC and play 10 hands at .001 BTC a hand and see how many you win.

I have seen a lot of people complaining about the casino in the NitrogenSports chat. Personally I don't play their casino games but if you are so upset of losing money there just ask to be banned from accessing it and your problems will be solved easily.

I agree with you that OP is probably a loser, however, just because a site says it is provably fair and has a tool to check does not mean it is truly provably fair; as with the 999dice scheme, where their "provably fair" system was actually rigged. You can read about it here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=948965

Not a valid proof.Just saying that you lost 3 times or whatever that was a successive loss streak doesn't means a site is rigged.
If you want to prove,show how it is rigged.Btw i dont think it is rigged moreover its provably fair system successfully verifies for every bet in dice that i made iin last two weeks

Ok, show us those stats you are talking about and I will believe you. Show me 3-4 popular blackjack casinos stats compared to nitrogen and we will talk about it, if not you can shut up.

Playing ten hands is not even 0.01% of what you would need to get a good average and idea whether it is truly rigged or not. I am not saying yay or nay because i just dont know but i do know the mentality of people when they lose at a casino. It is actually humorous and op after playing just 3 times is plain stupid.

Have only done some sports betting there and don't have any experience with their blackjack or other casino games. And for casino games other than dice i don't think there will be any way to prove its fairness rather than casino claiming it as fair. I think you better go for live casino games which some of the sites offer, don't know about nitrogen sports have this or not.

Okay,who plays poker on Nitrogen SPorts ? I thought people only used it for Sports Betting.I do.Not really sure of the accusations you're making since there is no solid proof.Though I would like to see some expert verify their server hash types and the generated seeds.You could additionally post screenshots of your bets.

NitrogenSports has proven more than once that they are one of the most established casinos here at btctalk. Quite frankly you'd need more than what you have right now to convince anyone.

Or, you can always try BetCoin.ag

If all people, later have lose to dice site or other gambling, open a thread of scam accusation (and choise already the name rigged in the nick) i think the 90% of forum have this post.
i have lose 14 time consecutive to roulette, i bet red and exit black
lose already 18 time consecutive to dice game, with 50% probably to win, this have name "bad lucky" , no scam

I have heard many people complaining about casinos being rigged. Unless you have substantial evidence to proof that a casino is indead cheating, you can at most blame your loss because of your bad luck.

It is easy to prove that Nitrogen Sports is rigged. Simply follow all the rules under “Basic Strategy” at this webpage:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackjack
The dealer should only have a .5% advantage. At Nitro, the dealer wins 75% of the time.

As a programmer, I can tell you that "Provably Fair" is a joke. It is easy for a website to modify their code and display anything that they want. If you want to see a rigged poker site, go to Betcoin.ag and play against any of the heads-up robots that are there 24 hours a day.

I challenge the blackjack sites to provide a continuous log file that shows all blackjack hands that are dealt, for all users that opt-in. This would allow players to prove that their bad luck defies the odds, and would allow programmers like me to see if the house is busting the normal percentage of hands.

I understand probability very well: I created http://poker.ftppro.com.

if you provide proof of certain things that really may be many who believe with you, if we believe in you just the same I denigrate those sites, not difficult to provide evidence, yach may be that you have not been so berhuntung play on that site .. , :)

Yeah I've played bj there and sigh annoying with too much losing ever I have experienced, I don't know how much their house edge for bj there looks like 10%?everyone who play bj at nitrogen would definitely feel rigged so I wouldn't recommend play there.

Well maybe what you say about blackjack is true but then when you said if you pick over 50.5 in dive it goes under 95% of the time. If that were true you could very easily prove it. So i really don't believe you at all.

Small sample is small sample

Yeah you are right. Provably fair = rigged, always make you busted in the end. In the first you can get profit but if you keep continue gambling, i'm sure you will lose all your balance. Provably shitty fair.

Have only played casino for promotions and never come out ahead. So I tend to only play if the promo is break even or better situation.

No way to check poker with out downloadable hand histories and the way the rng plays, I doubt they ever offer this.

Ive had some problems / questions about nitrogen also.

Who knows but I'm not down to just jump on a bandwagon.

Yes true that . Nitrogen sports has made good name in gambling department . SO unless you convince players by showing valid proof that its really cheating , and its not worth it , we will look up . And I think you just experienced a bad luck . Nothing else

I am not sure whether you mean in positive or negative aspect of nitrogensports but yes many people are just commenting without even listening and reading to OP. They just know NS is legit and just saying that, which sometimes is wrong.

Its not, trying playing more thank 100k hands and analyze the data

Online casinos do not need to fix the outcome of any games due to the house edge that's inherent within the game itself. The house advantage means that the player, over a period of time will lose anyway, and all that the casino hopes is that the player stays around long enough for that to happen. ;)

The problem is that a established site may even badly make script to make them win, not saying that nitrogensports is rigged or such, dont mistake me. But I mean that we can't just blindly ignore him because he is saying of a trusted and long since running site.

Would really like us to be able to figure out how legit the poker is,from my perception I am losing at to high a percentage with AA and KK and thats the more obvious ones preflop allin. Blind vs. Blind in tournies seems to be more risky than normal to shove around the bubble,have run into monsters more often than not.

Maybe we record a thousand hand session and that would be proof. As it is right now the hand histories do not record in
normal format and it takes you to their site to view the hands in question. Find disconnects are more likely for both players in monster hands as well.

I know variance is a bitch but the numbers are not adding up and I have played online since 2007ish.

There is no reason whatsoever that an honest blackjack game would refuse to post a log of all hands dealt. If a player doesn't want his hands to be logged, then he simply opts out.

Nitro refuses to post a log of their Blackjack hands, because they know that it would prove that their blackjack game is rigged. This also casts doubt upon the honesty of their poker game.

It is interesting that Nitro has refused to respond to this active thread. It appears that they haven't found a clever a way to divert the attention from their dishonesty (like the "Provably Fair" bullshit).

Hey Nitro: If your blackjack game is honest, then post a log of all hands dealt (with usernames) to prove it. Otherwise, STOP RIPPING PEOPLE OFF!!

A link to this thread from their promotional thread might get the attention you are requesting. Rather discuss things without their attention because you instantly get the shill accounts that all these site use to confuse the issues.

Full log of blackjack and dice can be found at https://nitrogensports.eu/mycasinowagerslog/ - This includes all the Provably Fair info you need to verify

So can someone please explain how they're cheating? I must not understand how provable fair works.


That's just ridiculous. No gambling site would do that unless they don't give a fuck about the user's privacy.

Are the last two posters Nitro shills?

The user would have to opt-in for their hands to be included in the log. No violation of privacy there, so Nitro will have to find another excuse.

If the other user trusts the "Provably Fair" excuse, then he might be suckered into believing that it overrides the laws of probability, which is what Nitro wants you to believe.

It's a simple question, how are they cheating if it's provable fair? I'm not shilling, I just find it interesting on how they're able to do that. Wouldn't that mean all the other sites are able to rig too?

I didn't see that part, you must have edited your post after I posted or I overlooked it.

It is very easy to modify the results of a random number generator (so the house wins more often), and still pass the "provably fair" test.

The only true test is to analyze thousands of hands, because they will ALWAYS fall within the laws of probability.

As an example, check out this website: http://poker.ftppro.com. It deals 250 random hands a second, and the results always comply with the laws of probability.

If Nitro (and other blackjack sites) would post an ongoing log (that users must opt-in for), then a similar program could prove that they are REALLY fair.

Again, the only reason they will not post such a log is because they would be proven to be UNFAIR.

Calling me a shill for Nitro shows you have not read my posts in this thread or the nitro thread,they can do better.

In that case, I don't see how the log would prove anything. Couldn't they just modify that too?

That is why I am suggesting that they include the Usernames of the players that opt-in.

Doesn't sound that easy. If nitro is rigging, they would obviously modify the rolls or hands of their own accounts evening things out in the log. Unless you're talking about having the opt-in option available to only a select few or the option to show logs of select members which wouldn't be taking in the wins or loses from the other accounts.

EDIT:
IMO, the above really doesn't matter though. You would need data from both opt-ins and non opt-ins to come to a solid conclusion.

The log feature would be very easy to implement. They would add a checkbox [Opt-In for Log], and a link that would display the log. This would allow people who complain on this forum to have proof if they felt that the deal was defying the probabilities (without having to take a video and manually count the results).

Nitro would not want multiple users to show that the deal was unfair, so you will probably never see this feature.

I wasn't taking about how easy the feature itself would be to implement so you must have misunderstood my post.

Again, wouldn't you have to see ALL data (opt-in and opted-out combined) to prove anything? or at least have more opted-in than those who haven't?

No, they wouldn't need to show all players for the log feature to be useful. You would be able to see all hands played by those that opted in (and their Usernames), so it would be obvious if each individual player was getting a fair deal (as long as they played enough hands).

This feature would actually encourage more people to play more hands, so the only reason Nitro wouldn't add this feature is if they had something to hide.

If Nitro added this feature it would make them appear to be much more honest.

I've just been using this Nitrogen site to play some poker tournaments, so my experience relates only to the poker section:

I won a couple of freeroll tournaments there. Usually pots see a lot of action, but hey whatever it's a freeroll and maybe there is a lot of crazies out there, didn't seem too unusual.

HOWEVER as soon as I sat down on a cash game it took me 5 minutes to figure out how rigged it is. Someone called 100 BB reraise with 2-5 and won with a runner runner straight. I have seen no one, in no NL cash game, unless they are complete imbeciles or it's their first day of poker, call 2 reraises from two different opponents accumulating at 100 Big Blinds with 2-5, and then go on to win it.

Needless to say I wrote a few msgs on the chat commenting on how unusual and out of this world bizarre that call was, and no one even blinked. Might be a lot of bots operated by the staff to rob real people of their money...

I would put the chances of a poker room where such outlandish incidents are commonplace to be a legitimate and honest business to less than 0.0001 %, but feel free to get scammed at your own risk. Alternatively I can recommend the freeroll tournaments, as at least there is no deposit to lose in those situations.

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