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So for this politics topic I wanted to talk specifically about the harmful effects of illegal drugs and how the forum's users' cities' drug problem are. I will start off by saying that I have cerebral palsy and some mental health issues and to any casual observer, I may be a user of crack cocaine. This is not the case however; I have schizo-effective disorder. I do embarrass myself in public from time to time but I am doing my best.

Is there a rampant drug use problem in your city? In Vancouver, it seems everyone is on something. Soiled cloths, staggering. People love their drugs. To top it all off the drunks assault the alleged drug addicts. (I got assaulted by some douche keeping his neighborhood safe. Ignorance is bliss, ignorance is bliss.

How's the drug problem in your city?

There's no problem in my country. I think USA (and Canada, because you are from Vancouver) had this problem for more than 30 years. 80's generation is crack babies, we can expect these conclusions because government had no policies back then. They want American people to sleep. If you educate yourself you wouldn't do any drugs.

Very bad.  I work in a drug treatment center, and I've seen at least 6 of our clients die in the past year from overdoses, and we even had a nonfatal overdose right in our facility.  Luckily we keep a Narcan kit in our med room.  The word on the street is that the heroin is being cut with stuff like Fentanyl and some weird veterinary drugs like clembuterol, which I'm not sure has any sort of advantage over inert agents.  I give education groups about the risks of this stuff, but you can't scare addicts into staying clean.  If only we could.

So yeah, it's bad in my town.

The sum total of suffering in the natural world is beyond all decent contemplation. :'(

Watch documentary "American drug war" guy explained there very good about drug problems. Inform yourself about everything first, read a bit C. Casteneda. After that u will see that word "drug" doesnt exist!!!
Lets make it clear for beggining there is some herb`s, and there is chemical products. U also have these two thing combined to get something "better".
Herb open your mind, everything else fuck u up!
End of disccusion about it!
Now people will use anything to run away from reallity but they use things that posin their mind and body`s.  Its forbidden by governments to use some herbs but its not forbidden to use who know what kind of mixes.

I agree but fortunately we're only exposed to a little of it at a time.  For the most part.  And I try to bring a little bit of hope to our patients and show them that a good life exists beyond the drugs, but that it takes time to get there.  The worst is dealing with their families, who are usually scared and hurting.

Also, heroin has been in our local newspaper so frequently in the past 2 years it's unbelievable.

Then I guess life fucks you up to, because thats one hell of a drug.

I think that drugs should be legal.
People that want to destroy themselves do it anyway, and governments instead of spending money to fight drugs should get money from drugs by taxing them big time, like alcohol, cigarettes and luxury items.

I went to school in a small holiday town by the sea. The rave scene took off in the late 80s and most of my little friends became zombies for a good while and good old heroin has always been there waiting in the background. I seem to have known an absurd number of junkies. When I looked in on the same place a few decades on most of them were still at it if they weren't dead or vegetables.

I've never done an illicit drug that had any effect on me so it doesn't compute for me and never will but it is absolutely everywhere. I don't have much sympathy, especially junkies, the evidence of what you'll become is right in front of you when you buy it, but I don't really see the point of criminalising users.

Like anything no drug addict will be able to throw it in unless they actually want to. It's no good feeling that you should. No way I'd ever bother associating with any type of addict any more. Drugs and booze might kill you but the most horrific effect is how fucking tedious they make you.

It is bad here in Houston. I had moved away for a few years due to work and when I moved back, nearly everyone I knew was hooked on pain pills, muscle relaxers, or xanax - or a combination of the three. There are a ton of pain clinics here, Houston and Tampa were the two main hubs in the US but they've enacted legislation to try and control the problem but it is still going on. We've got the meth and coke, too. Houston being such a large city and near the border we've got tons of it here - heroin, too - especially since the pills have been made harder to get by the feds, now more people are switching to heroin as it is cheaper and easier to get. I had taken a second job working security at a club a while back and was shocked at the amount of people still doing coke and meth, people who upon first glance you wouldn't even think were drug users. I'm just glad I stopped when I did in my younger days, it may seem fun at first but there is nothing good that comes of it.

Once again, you are all ignoring the best solution for this. We should make all sorts of drugs legal. That will reduce the crime rate and gradually the drug consumption rates will also come down. Countries such as Uruguay and Portugal have legalized drugs, and they have witnessed sharp drop in deaths due to drug overdose.

I'm not ignoring that at all, and I agree that drugs should be made legal.  It's an unholy shitfuck of a mess that criminalization has created, and any "war" on drugs is a joke.  But for those who get addicted--and there are going to always be plenty of them, legalization isn't exactly helping them nor is legalization a cure.  And I do have sympathy for addicts, with limits.  Some people are born predisposed to addiction, some are not. 

Bit of an oversimplification, though, to assert that "all drugs" should be made legal.

Legal can be thought of as produced by legitimate businesses with quality control in place, then sold at some type of legitimate store or outlet at prices comparable to street prices (otherwise people buy on the street.)

It's easy to say this regarding the marihuana issues.

I would likely allow legalization of at least some hallucinogenics.  LSD, cactus.  There's certainly a long track record with these and some understanding of them.

What about opiates?  All?  Some?  Why?

What about meth?

Now what about cocaine and crack?

I think you can also enjoying drug when you do it not that much. It can give you for a short time an amazing feeling and a great night. So far alcohol is also really bad for you and that don't looks like an problem to most people.

I'm not quite sure how to put this, but Casteneda isn't really worth reading.  He was a minor drug cult figure, and produced about 12 books.  There's really no understanding of Mexican culture that can be had from his work, and no real understanding of the old style shaman. 

Certainly it's possible to read about the native American cultures, and come to understand their use of things such as peyote.  But not from Casteneda.

There are two categories, both of legal drugs, and of illegal ones.

Mostly, illegal drugs are the kind you can grow or make at home.

Mostly, the legal kind are drugs that it is difficult to make at home.

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Both kinds of drugs legal and illegal, fall into two categories, the kind that are good for you and the kind that are bad for you.

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The makers of drugs fall into two categories, the pharmacists and their companies, and average people.

The legal drug makers are the shrewd people who want to take your freedom away from you about illegal drugs, so that they can steal your money through legal drugs. They are smart enough to make illegal drugs illegal, so they can capture your health, and hold you hostage for ransom... pay us or you won't get the drugs you need. They are also smart enough to see that some easy-to-make-or-grow drugs are bad for you, and they use this as an excuse to push government into controlling you regarding those drugs.

The illegal drug makers are waking up. They are realizing that they have control over themselves, and that the big drug companies shouldn't be taking their freedom away from them. The example of this is that they are pushing legalization of marijuana. The thing that they should be doing is to get government out of their lives by repealing all the laws regarding illegal drugs, rather than legalizing the drugs.

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People need to understand that legalizing anything simply means that government has control.

Stand up people. Be men and women and get government to repeal all laws that they use to limit your freedom. This way you will be free, not under the thumb of legalization controls.

As examples, if alcohol and gasoline were not legal or illegal, the price would be a lot less because there would be no taxes on them.

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Let there be taxes - at least then those drugs would gain some money instead of governments losing money trying to fight them.

Taxes go to government, not to drug companies.   :)

Some governments offer free health care, so tax money goes to drug companies indirectly.
Maybe he pointed that out. If there's no free health care then no problem for government.

Not legal. Nationalized. They should be produced distributed and controlled only by government. Without any kind of advertising and a good drug education in schools.

This way the money currently helping mafia would be in the hand of the government and would be used to get a better education and healthcare. That's a win win.

Many of the people who are free to use marijuana oil (which can be made at home), have stopped using drugs.

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Government is Mafia multiplied a thousand times over.   :)

The politicians keep the drugs illegal because they want to protect the interests of the drug dealers.

I'm all for decriminalization and legalization, thing is, the government and their cohorts are making tons of profit off of drugs - by keeping the prisons full - state, federal, and private (the private prison industry is HUGE) - every drug arrest ensures another person slapped with a misdemeanor or felony and thrown into the system be it through probation or jail which never ends there. Here in Texas having drug convictions can and will preclude you from being able to rent an apartment in all but the lowest income areas, most decent jobs won't hire someone with a recent drug-related offense, the list goes on... The whole thing is a mess, you've got to really wonder just why the powers that be won't legalize drugs when there is so much profit to be made, obviously there is more money or worth in them keeping them illegal.

Except where the government and the mafia are the same thing.  That's a lose lose.  And even if they were not the same, no reason to think that money would be well spent.

No reason at all.

I pretty much agree with all you have said.  But where's the limit?  Some things simply cannot be allowed, legalized, decriminalized, whatever.

And example is sniffing glue.  We all know that kills brains.  Poisons can not be legalized, right?  So where is the limit?

i dont agree with you i am a well-educated person but i have a drug addiction... i dont see any relation between education level and  addictions..

As we know ., drug addiction leads us to live in a terrible life .. We can have some serious health problems but the worst one is Not one of these. . İt is losing one's self - esteem.  This one is the worst..

Not just the drug dealers. Right now there are more than a million inmates out there in the federal and state prisons, who are serving their sentences on various drug-related offenses. I don't need to explain how big is the private prison industry in the United States. The other cartels, such as the banking cartel and the pharma cartel are also closely associated with the drug smuggling industry.

Drug problem is very big. Starting with children of flowers , hippic,70's and 80's..marijuana, lsd,cocain...genrerations have problems with drugs. And in school, street,clubs everywhere you see hey people..The problem lies in people, in relations with other people...it's not unusual that stressed people without friends go out in night club and then can easy become victims of the dealer..they want to find way out to run from problems but instead of that go in something terrible..

The problem is, by keeping drugs illegal you turn users into criminals, and therefore if they get caught, they go to prison rather than getting help. This setup also actively stops users seeking help (because they are afraid of punishment).

I understand your point of view, where you think the more benign drugs like weed and psychedelics should be legalized. But I think all drugs should be legalized. I don't agree with any law which punishes victimless crime, I think as conscious human beings we should have control over what we decide to put in our own bodies without fear of state punishment.

The key is education - if everyone was properly educated about the dangers of certain drugs then I believe there would be far less people with drug problems.

I agree with the principle but the evidence of what happens to you if you overdo your 'shit' is painfully visible all across the planet. Some people are hard wired to get fucked up no matter how much they're informed. And almost everyone suffers from 'it won't be me' syndrome.

Yeah you're right, but at least with the proper education people will do things like weigh and test their drugs properly, and maybe stick to less dangerous and less addictive drugs. I certainly don't think throwing people in prison will solve anything.

Indeed. I think education overall needs a huge overhaul. When I was a nipper we might've got one beardy dickhead in a patterned sweater giving us a rundown of why, like, drugs are bad while we all rolled our eyes.

It would be more productive to wheel out someone without a septum or a crack whore who microwaved her baby.

Also the utter misery of certain supply chains should be emphasized. Even if drugs worked on me I wouldn't do most of them for moral reasons. People refuse to eat non organic chicken but will shovel coke up their nose that might have caused hundreds of murders.

Well sounds crazy, but well educated people with university degree easy falls in drug hell. The one from middle or high middle class.They are educated, maybe have successful careers but they are alone and weak and because of that go so easy in that hell...on the other side people on medium or less education level are ekspected for that...some of them go because of friends or because they believe they would earn lot of money if they start dealing it..

actually I don't think you believe exactly what you said, bolded above.

Suppose there is a cancer drug that kills 1/4 of those who take it.  Should it be legalized?  Should the entire FDA approval process be discarded?

Are you trying to say "all drugs that might make me feel good should be legalized?"

No one is saying they shouldn't be regulated.  Look at what's happening with marijuana.  Look at alcohol.   And the fda approval I think you're talking about is for new medicines and that's not relevant.   Also, everything is a poison.  It all depends on the dose.

Drugs are one of the biggest self inflicted injuries to mankind, physically, emotionally and financially.
Yes people do get a short-term buzz and a quick hype from these drugs but do not they realize the long-term issue ? the damage it causes to one's self let alone pressure for their families also.

Legalized or unlegalized drugs will be present and will be problem. It's the people who decide will they or won't take drugs..The worst is this new trend to make drug from heavy metals and chemistry mixed in crocodile and other ones..so there is no only official drugs like marijuana,met,lsd,cocaine..you have to deal also with new drugs which can be made from chemistry products you can legal buy in the shop

Yes.. Ideally more needs to be done by the government of each and every country. More severe punishment for drug traffickers ,smugglers and street sellers to separately controlled punishment for drug users.

Yes, I think it is relevant.  The use of the word "Drug" in this context means essentially "something I want that is controlled so I can't get it."

Who says what that is?  Who says it is only feel-good stuff?

Some feel good stuff has horrible physical and mental consequences and side effects.

As does some medical non-feel good drugs.

Look you're right, I was talking mainly about illegal recreational and therepeutic drugs, but I never said abolish any approval procedures or regulation on drugs. That's a different argument entirely. If anything, I would encourage regulation of illegal drugs because it would prevent countless deaths due to purity levels, dangerous impurities, or one drug being sold as another.

Not to mention taking the drug trade out of the hands of ruthless criminal gangs (who not only murder 10s of thousands of people a year, but also use the drug money to fund other lovely side businesses such as human trafficking), and into high quality controlled laboratories.

Your example of a cancer drug that kill 1/4 of it's users isn't really what we're talking about here, but I'll give my take on it anyway:

First off, it would be subject to multiple trials and research before being allowed for use, and if it killed 25% of users in human trials then it's pretty unlikely it would ever be released. Even if it happened to have pleasurable psychoactive effects, and it was synthesised by some underground chemist, then it would be a ridiculous business strategy to sell it as a recreational drug due to its 25% death rate. Basically that whole point is moot.

Yeah, well, unfortunately....when you go down this road of estimating and validating harmful effects, you wind up exactly where we are now.  Except that we'd like to argue that certain drugs have been WRONGLY EVALUATED to have extremely harmful effects, so harmful that they should be criminalized.

I believe that one by one, those sanctions can be lifted.  Specific drugs, whose effects are well understood, one at a time.  That would solve 80-90 of the problem which might be as good as could be done.

But there couldn't ever be a blanket legalization of feel-goods because in many cases their harmful effects might not be known or fully evaluated.  Plus new ones will arise and often.

Yap, mentally physically, emotionally and socialy. Better go partying, at least you have social life.

Yes and to show to all that they are really dealing with that problem. Usually police caught the dealer and than he is few days in jail and again on the street and so on...not to mention connections between mexican dealers and police on the other side of the border..

OK you've lost me now, what do you mean by "go down this road of estimating and validating harmful effects"? Are you suggesting this is how the state decides what drugs should be illegal? Because that's absolutely not how it works, most drug laws are due to political reasons and not based on evidence.

I think that's what you mean by "wrongly evaluated"? That some of the safest drugs are illegal, and some of the most dangerous are legal? That's certainly true, stuff like weed and psychedelic mushrooms haven't killed anyone, but things like Fentanyl are extremely dangerous in the wrong hands.

Your idea of legalizing drugs one by one based on their harm profile isn't a terrible idea, far from it. However it still doesn't address the fact that users of drugs that are deemed "too dangerous" will still be criminalized, denying them help, and also that the production of said drugs would stay underground and be unregulated, causing more death and injury to users.

Your last sentence demonstrates a misunderstanding of how the drug market works, people are not going to experiment with new untested drugs if there is already a legal option. A good example of this is the rise in "legal high" type drugs, which people only use because the best drugs are illegal. If MDMA, Cannabis, LSD, mushrooms etc. were legal, few people would experiment with lesser known drugs with barely any human experimentation.

As someone with personal experience of this legal high/research chemical market, I can tell you that it does self-regulate itself to a degree. And also that most deaths due to these newer drugs are due to unprofessional vendors mislabelling drugs, or naive users not being careful enough with dosages. A good example of this would be the incidents involving Bromo-Dragonfly or 25i-NBOMe (worth googling). The vast majority of deaths like these would have been avoided if LSD and mushrooms were legal.

The vast majority of deaths due to opiates like Heroin are due to impurities and incorrect dosages. By keeping it illegal, these deaths are not being addressed and will continue. From a harm-reduction perspective, it makes sense to legalise them and allow users to access pure product of a known dosage from a controlled laboratory. Just because it's legal, it doesn't mean that every schoolkid is going to start mainlining Heroin.

A proper education programme would address things like this, show schoolkids the real evidence of how dangerous certain drugs are, explain the risks of different types of drugs. Tell them that ALL drugs can be dangerous, but if you really want to take them, stick to the safer ones and be careful how you take them.

Regardless of whether we agree on all points, you show evidence of a serious depth of knowledge on the subject and should take the time to explain it further.  I highlighted a section above, which falls into the category "I'm not so sure about that..."

Drugs seem to come in as fads, in the popular market.  Given that, I don't think users are inclined to do any more than listen to their excited peers when popping a pill.  And they are not capable of judging side effects or risk, in almost all cases. 

In an atmosphere of legalization, would the users be receptive - more receptive - to discussions about risk and side effects from "old people?"

Well, you gotta see heroin addicts with their teeth rotten, and then falling out,  to comprehend how disgusting it is...

The vast majority of medical drugs are bad for your health.   :)

The legal high market is a very interesting subject, and one which is especially pertinent right now as the UK government is about to bring in blanket ban legislation concerning it, called the "Psychoactive Substances Bill. It's a very badly thought out law, and is a great example of why banning things and criminalizing the market isn't always the best option. Here's an opinion piece from the most recent issue of New Scientist if you wanna learn more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2074813-youre-not-hallucinating-mps-really-did-pass-crazy-bad-drug-law/ (https://www.newscientist.com/article/2074813-youre-not-hallucinating-mps-really-did-pass-crazy-bad-drug-law/)

The legal high market really took off in the UK after a drug called mephedrone or 4-MMC became popular. Mephedrone has an effect profile similar to MDMA and amphetamines, and became the party drug of choice for many people, because it was cheap and easy to obtain. Its release also coincided with a drought of MDMA in the UK and Europe (which resulted in high prices and low quality product). It quickly became incredibly popular, the Daily Mail et al heard about it and before long it was banned, and it's been a cat and mouse game ever since: The government bans a drug, then some chemist makes a new drug which bypasses the law, rinse and repeat. This is the reason for the new legislation.

If MDMA was legal, there would be no incentive for chemists to design novel recreational drugs which circumvent legislation. The vast majority of users of classic drugs like MDMA, LSD and amphetamines are weekend users who like to party every now and again, they do not come under the media stereotype of a drug addict. If they had a choice between a new, untested drug or the classics that have been used for 30 years plus, the vast majority would pick the classics - no-one wants to die, they just wanna have a good time.

Of course there's always been a small segment of drug users/chemists who enjoy experimenting with obscure and novel drugs, out of curiosity. For example people like Alexander "Sasha" Shulgin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Shulgin), who "rediscovered" MDMA and synthesized hundreds of novel psychedelic substances in his laboratory.

Sorry, I've started babbling, my point is the novel drug market is a direct result of drug legislation, if the shit was legal in the first place, the legal high market would never have taken off, and most of these new drugs wouldn't exist/be available to consumers.

You make some very good points about drug "fads" and people maybe not listening to advice. In my experience, the drug education was terrible in school. Things like "Just Say No!" and "This is your brain on drugs!" are the sort of things I'm talking about, totally bullshit education which is basically lies. By telling kids to not take ANY drugs, because they're ALL gonna kill you, is really stupid. Because when kids realize that some drugs are pretty safe, they think "well they lied about that, so they probably lied about the others", and then they take 10 MDMA pills at once and die.

To answer your question, I think kids would be more receptive to drug education if they believed what they were being told, and if it was based on evidence rather than scaremongering. Of course there will always be that one kid who ignores all the advice, but I sincerely believe better education would result in less harm.

Regarding heroin addicts, I realize this is a big problem, especially in some areas. Don't forget though, that for every homeless, toothless addict you see on the street, there is another functional one that goes to work every day and pays a mortgage. It's not what the media would have you believe, but they do exist, you just don't notice them.

Addiction is a common occurence, and has a lot to do with situation as well as substance. There is an excellent TED talk about this, it's really worth watching if you've got 15mins to spare:

https://www.ted.com/talks/johann_hari_everything_you_think_you_know_about_addiction_is_wrong?language=en (https://www.ted.com/talks/johann_hari_everything_you_think_you_know_about_addiction_is_wrong?language=en)

i agree with you  drug trade must be controlled by governments..

Punishments for dealers and users also. Govrnment should do something, question is what. You can make drug from everything. Problem lies in weakness of people

I agree with pretty much all of this and it was well stated.  I would add that heroin ODs are often not just heroin but combinations with benzos, etoh, and some other stuff.   In my town they're finding Fentanyl with the dope, and that can easily be lethal.

Drugs should be made legal , probably then goverment will gain taxes instead of losing money fighting against it :)

I guess you are saying this by comparing drugs with alcohol consumption. Drugs is completely different from it. It's addiction will definitely ruin one's life. So, Governments will never legalize it.

The addiction rate of "legal" drugs are much higher, so is the mortality rate of any illigal drugs COMBINED, compared to the legal drug deaths in the usa. You're propagizing a false and intented false argument wielded by the state, the addiction rate of alcohol is MUCH higher than all other drugs combined. It's now prooven in other countries who let go of their false and unjust drugwar, that crime, addiciton goes down by 50 to 80%, just by not criminalizing addicts. Please do some research before bloating like a sheep....

Also, did you ever question why the usa has so many meth and black tar addicts, those people get this from their ILLIGAL dealer, even if they are just looking for weed, dealers push this shit, because it will get them customers for life.In countries that seperate soft and hard drugs, have MUCH MUCH lower crime and addiction rates... Believe it or not, the war on drugs CREATES addictions, not help abolish it...

Without government's legalization still many drug dealers manage to spread drugs.
More help should be available through schools, colleges, universities and other humane organizations to help drug users/abusers, they cannot go this journey alone. These need to be stopped first to prevent the spreading of drugs.

i think the only problem in my city it's prohibition, of course there are people on heavy drugs, these people need helps of the community

Drug addiction is a result of shitty social conditions like poverty, isolation, and trauma and who is criminalized is extremely political.

Drug addiction is mostly the result of the war on drugs. If people were allowed to grow and smoke marijuana freely, the price of the stuff would be cheap, people would socially figure out where the limit was, and marijuana oil would keep them so healthy that they would easily be able to overcome any dangerous addiction.

When did the war on drugs come into being? A hundred years ago? Did people smoke pot before that time? People smoked pot and used drugs for thousands of years. Now all of a sudden it is illegal. Further, it is the illegality of one drug that drives people to find additional drugs that are not illegal. When those are made illegal, people find more new ones. It is the drug war that has brought about meth and crack. People would never have developed these and others if there was no drug war, because marijuana can be easily grown at home. And it is all because the medical has found that free marijuana oil can heal so many things that it might put the pharmaceutical companies out of business.

Then there is the medical drug addiction that is running rampant all over the world.

The whole drug thing is about money. Repeal the anti-drug laws, and the problem will go away by itself. In addition, a whole bunch of people who harmed nobody will get out of prison and jail.

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alcohol is a drug. it depends on the drugs we're talking about. The high addiction ones should never be legalized indeed

I wouldn't say it should be allowed to grow everything freely. Not that I'm against the liberty of consuming it, but growing it freely... Well what about low quality possibilities? Mistakes? If anyone can make their own it might turns ugly from time to time!

But making the sell of drugs legal and nationalize it yeah! More money for the government and a good control on quality and help for those who needs it! =)

Marijuana grows freely all across America, all by itself.

One person doesn't want anyone to have it. Another person wants anyone to have it that wants it. Why not make a law that it is required by everyone to smoke at least a little of it everyday?

If freedom is taken away in this, then freedom can be taken away in everything. Consider the following.

In the Northwestern corner of Africa, there is a country called Western Sahara. It has lost its government, and Morocco, Mauritania, and Algeria are trying to take it over; it appears that it has fallen to Morocco.

All these countries have anti-slavery laws. Yet slavery is rampant in Western Sahara, and parts of all these countries. The law is of essentially NO effect. Generally the slaves are treated poorly.

When people from the outside go to the slaves and talk about freedom, the slaves don't understand what they are talking about. This is because their ancestors and family line have been slaves so long that they have never seen or heard of anything else. One can't offer them freedom. They don't know anything about freedom, and will resist to the point of struggling to remain in slavery.

The point? You are in slavery. True, it is less restraining than that of Northwestern Africa. But you are a slave just the same. You barely understand what true freedom is, even when someone explains it to you.

Watch the "Freedom Speech Easy Rider" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc11mJGre10. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc11mJGre10)

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President of Nicaragua wanted to legalize drugs and put all that business in legal ways and that dealers pay taxes. He said it's the only way to do something

You keep talking about freedom and slavery...

Dude if you want to go this way, read Spinoza, you'll see absolutely noone is free, not even you.

But it's interesting to consider that freedom might be more a question of perspective. I consider myself free: I can go anywhere when I want and I have to obey laws that have been voted by representants. Of course they're not directly me, and I prefer the Switzerland democratic system, but it's good enough to call it "freedom".

Of course, nobody is free. Anybody who has to breathe air to live, or can't jump to the moon, is not free.

Freedom has to do with non-aggression. If you don't interfere with the freedom of anyone else, and if your freedom is not interfered with by anyone or anything else, only then are you free.

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Yes, and freedom means that your act can not harm other people or can not impact in any way on them. You have freedom to do anything and behave as you like until you don't disturb others

Yeah, that's a great idea.  Do something because it gives more money to the government...

Yeah like the government doesn't already steal enough money from oil/alcohol and things like that. Let's legalize something just for it to be able to tax it...
I just don't understand lefties reasoning sometimes...

I'm thinking that Spendy was posting facetiously. I am hoping that I am right in this.

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All people know about drugs, and what drugs causes to your brain,health,life..legalized or unlegalized always will be people who ll use it, probably legalization will bring more consumers in first moment

No, what is a great idea is to take the money currently financing mafia terrorism and crime in general and to send it to the government.

I know you don't like centralized government but I hope you also believe it's still better to have government taking the money than the mafia no?
It's not doing it to give government money, but rather take advantage of the situation and take the occasion to redirect the money from crime to government that's all.

Lol. I say that such a claim can be discussed! xD

Mafia or government... Not so sure of who's better...

education isnt enough to keep off drug addiction.. you should solve your problem with the help of an expert before starting to use illegal shits.. but goverments must take some serious precaution to diminish drug usage.. it must be banned in the whole world. countries must act concurringly..

alchool is itself a drug, in the same level as weed

I don't drink, somke or whatever but that's completely a personal choice, as everything else

I agree with you that government profiting off of drugs is better than gangs, but how is centralized government a good thing?

If you ban something that doesn't necessarily mean you get rid of it entirely. On the contrary youth as we all know likes to act agianst laws and sometimes young people do drugs just to "protest" against the society which bans them. I think it is much better to explain (in songs, movies etc.) that using drugs is not cool rather than banning them.

He doesn't even imagine how a non centralized government can be. Whole Europe is extremely centralized, except for Germany. And which country is doing the better inside this fucking crisis? Geeeeeeeeeeermoney! And which country is being currently raped and fucked up because of ONE centraized decision the whole Germany was against? Germaaaaaaaaaaany!

If drugs were not legal or illegal, there wouldn't be any problem. Here's why.

People would grow and use marijuana.
Because they had marijuana, they wouldn't need all the exotic drugs that are illegal now, so most of them would never be invented.
People would have far less disease, because marijuana oil heals almost everything.
Without disease, the medical would be little, and people wouldn't be harmed by medical drugs because there would be few.
Without the medical, people would be healed by marijuana oil, and life expectancy would be a lot greater.
The drug war would be non existent, and many innocent people who are in prison would not be there.
Law enforcement would have far less excuse to invade peoples' privacy.
People could have far more enjoyment in life by smoking a little now and again.

Drugs don't fuck anybody up nearly as much as government and the medical do.

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You're just a drug racist BADecker. Drugs have rights too! They don't have to stand such a behavior from you!

What do you have against drugs? I was standing up for drugs, and you are picking on me for doing this? I like your term, however, "drug racist." Now stop being one of them... unless you really want to, that is.

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One of them? You mean to say one of us! Because you are one!

Its probably been said but i dont think it matters on the legal status much at times. Many over the counter drugs can fuck you up, many specific foods ccan fuck you up if you eat wrongly.  I try not to take anything myself legal or illegal.  I do think weed should be made legal and people should be able to use it medically for many things.

I've spoken of Houston's insane prescription drug problem here before and just read this - a pill mill was operating next door to the Channel 2 studios...


http://www.click2houston.com/news/investigates/prescription-pills-a-growing-problem-in-neighborhoods

I guess the drug addiction problem is a social problem much like the alochol is. Society should treat very much the same way.

Home grown drugs harm you way less than medical drugs and the government.    :)

The worst is this trend making drugs from materials you can buy in your shop. they are extremely toxic and destroy organism in very small time

Where do all the materials come from that you can buy at the store? The are made out of substances on the earth. Now that people have the knowledge, they don't need the store. They simply can go out and make their fix out of nature.

People would have never thought about making all these new drugs if there were no drug war. The drug war is what pushed people into making new drugs, just so that they could get happy without being illegal.

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thats a bizarre statement though, what are the odds of someone doing this.. lol.

like I`m not going try to whip up learning to make tyenol and take chances..

I agree.. While it seems that there have been a lot of advocacy groups who are trying to raise awareness. I believe this is where we still are lacking. Media information dissemination. Family involvement and awareness.

Drugs and alcohol simply are what they resort to. But it's not the actual problem.

in our city, we dont have any drug problem but drug addiction is very bad for our youht and children .. something must be chenged..

Do marijuana users get headaches? If it were marijuana oil that they used, would they get headaches?

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friend of my from jamaica smoke it like all his family. he explained that msot of people there smoke weeds and that's better than pljeskavica

From what I've read there aren't any conclusive studies that would show marijuana to be harmful. I'm not pro drugs but still it's interesting that there is so much propaganda for something that has not been proven harmful.

WOUHOOOOOOOOOOOOU!

After proving the existence of God BADecker now teach us that marijuana heals everything! This means it's the end of diseases!!!

Hey you! No need for vaccines, just give marijuana to your children!!!

Thank you Lord BADecker!!

It's different to talk only about weed or about all the drugs though buddy ;)

The studies claiming brain damage all stem from the 60/70 and are prooven fraude.... They gave mouses weed smoke, but nothing happened to the body or brains, nothing bad that is. Yet when they increased the dose, meaning a mouse would get no air but only smoke for a WHOLE fucking minute, which means that the braincells die from lack of oxygen....

For years doctors concluded that weed killed braincells, while it simply was oxygen deprevation, do your fucking research peeps....

Problem being we lack objective studies on drugs!

I'm pretty sure most drugs aren't as dangerous as they want us to think. But as no scientific study has been made, it's hard to get a correct opinion on that.

Regarding marijuana, thousands of years of use among many nations of people is about the best study you can get. Then somewhere within the last hundred years, governments decided to start making marijuana illegal because it was suddenly dangerous. Sounds like people control rather than people freedom. And why would you want to control people if you could? To make them slaves to serve you, of course. And who makes your best slaves? The people who think that the work they do for you was something that they freely thought up to do.

Drugs f**k you up. We all know that. So, let's not use marijuana. After all, government knows best.

The fact of the matter is, marijuana used properly heals you of all kinds of things that medical drugs don't.

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You're really tiring me... Get the fuck out of here weed doesn't heal like any magical plant you dumbass...

You are the one tiring yourself by your self-contradictions. Anything in excess is bad for you. Weed used properly heals, just like used incorrectly makes ill.

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Damn you're saying it like weed can heal anything...
Weed doesn't heal, it's a painkiller.

I think we should not even mention weed in this thread because this "drug" might "fuck you up" only if you use it too much (like several times per day) and even that can't be compared to the harm to your health from using heroin,  crack, meth or another hard drug.

God heals, only.

Technically, weed has a lot of negatives. And positives. It's helpful for some things but comes at its costs. The best way to relate it is being like a medication -- it may help some problems, but it causes others. Think Aspirin and ulcers, for example.

This is good news. So on top of weed healing, it kills pain.

Why might you think weed doesn't heal? There is evidence and testimonies all over the place. But even if it didn't heal, placebos heal, to the tune of about 30%. So, because people have faith in weed to heal, about 30% of the people would get healed just by their faith in placebo action of weed. Why not in placebo action of something else? Because you have to have faith in something else. Without faith, placebo action does not work to heal.

On top of the action of weed to heal, we have placebo action of weed that heals. No wonder about 80% of the people who have gone off medical drugs and onto weed say that they would never go back to medical. Medical barely works when it does work, and usually works in a bad way at the same time it does the little bit of good it does.

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God does anything only. The only reason that we can even wiggle is that He hears our desires to be able to wiggle, and grants us wiggle ability.

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Sure, my ass heals too if you go this way...

Before sin came into the world, everything was perfect. Because everything was perfect, nothing was wasted in nature. Everything was used perfectly. Because there there wasn't any waste, there was no need for a poop chute. People probably didn't have any poop chutes back then. If they did, they existed for an entirely different purpose.

Now that we don't work perfectly anymore - because of sin - your ass DOES heal some of your imperfection.

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yes, absolutely .. weed has healing effects on some serious illness.. weed is healtier than some legal pills..

Indeed, but there's certain amount to consider if someone takes up medical marijuana. Too much of it is not good for the body.

The form of cannabis we are thinking of for medical use is CBD, but I never hear anyone taking too much of it and say its bad for them.

Its obvious if they are taking it though different from the THC levels that people who are taking the CBD version more is due to some serious illness. Its still a more organic approach then getting numerous pills.

On top of this, there are many strains of cannabis. Some of the strains use their CBD and THC in different ways than others, depending on biologic substances unique to the particular strain. Different strains of cannabis cure different varieties of maladies better than other strains. Google and Youtube search on "effectiveness of different cannabis strains."

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Are you really saying that there was a time where humans had no anus? Oo

When was it exactly???

Well, I wasn't saying the no anus thing point blank as a fact. It is a possibility. But if it existed back then - the anus - it existed for some other purpose.

The time in years? Nobody knows exactly. But it was between 6,000 and 7,000 years ago... at the time when Adam and Eve were originally made, in the form of perfection, before there was any such thing as waste in the world.

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So the world is 7 000 years old? ^^

Think we reached a new climax here...
7 000 years? So what about the dinosaurs? They're only 4000 years old?

No, less than 7,000 years old. I was simply throwing that number out as upper limit.

I suspect that the dinosaurs died off some time after the Great Flood of Noah's day... the Flood at about 4,500 years ago. When you look through the few records that we have from ancient peoples and cave paintings, the peoples suggest dinosaurs were around in some areas of the world as late as, maybe, 3,000 years ago.

However, some of the ocean dinosaurs might still be alive in the ocean depths. Loch Ness is an example.

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Lol I'd like to see that!

So for you the world is 7 000 or maybe 10 000 years old? It means that datation carbon 14 or potassium or uranium are totally false? Which would mean we don't understand at all radioactivity?

I'm a medical marijuana user. I wasn't able to get over my social anxiety before smoking weed. it's a drug that does many things to heal people. if marajuana were legal there would be less mental illness

marijuana can cause mental illness..Some people with chemical imbalances if they smoke weed it can send them crazy..I know for fact I smoke weed and have smoked it for 30 years..
 
It's not healthy for you if you smoke it..Once you start burning anything it becomes toxic..
I.E cabbages eat cabbages healthy for you..Dry it out and smoke it will do damage to your lungs and health..
So I guess if you eat or make oil out of the weed it will be better than taking medicine's like opiates
that contain heroin type drug..
I think eating weed or oil could be a wonder drug..Smoking it is bad for you..
Different type of buzz feeling when you eat it or drink the oil..
SMOKING WEED IS BAD FOR YOU..EATING WEED OR USING OIL WEED COULD BE A WONDER DRUG..
Some people if they use weed every day to much will become unhealthy..

But it's 1000 times less harmful than alcohol..So it should be legal to buy..

Lets all be honest only putting healthy things into your body will give you a better chance of a longer life..But some people can smoke and drink and still live till their 90..

Best advice i can give is don't take any drugs but if your going to do any drug only use weed and drink ..once a week drinking.. 2 spliffs a day and only when you have finished work..
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if you used drug on the proper usage it is very useful, unfortunately in my place the drug usage is very bad, a lot of public figure in my place got caught of using illegal drugs and addicted to it, and seems like the rehabilitation is not working too well, because most of them still used the drugs after get out from the rehabilitation

They need to get away from the area they live or they will still be around the same people..
A new life  a new start..
My cousin had major drug problem heroin 35 years she was on it and nearly died..
She went to jail got clean and moved 300 miles away..started a new life new start she doing really well..But believe me the hell she put her children threw was so sad..
Not so much as physical abuse.. But the kids never had anything.. Christmas would come and the kids would wake up to nothing no new clothes..And all their friends around them woke up to everything
they wished for..So you could imagine what these kids learnt to do very quickly ..
They learnt to steel at 9 years old and do armed robberies by the time they were 15 years old..
And all 4 of her children 1 girl 3 boys all have been to jail..They changed there lives they grew up and
learnt a trade and doing very well..

With good parents children can become anything they wish with hard work ..
With bad parents children will become a nightmare..
Also you can give a kid everything show it a lack of love and if you don't teach your child about respect it will become a nightmare..

Medical drugs are worse than illegal ones.    8)

Glad you never killed yourself Badecker ;D
I would miss all the madness you right about your god it's Funny :D
But I do agree with you on this case and also cough cough zine scleven ;D

Ayahuasca.    8)

Looked into Ayahuasca but figured my dumb ass would have a allergic reaction in the middle of the jungle. If it ever goes legal somewhere I trust I might give it a shot.

So that's what your on when you talk about god :D
Av a nice day on your Ayahuasca. I stick to me spliff ;D

I think i will give it a miss getting to old for all that stuff..Had plenty of magic mushrooms
and LSD in me time Like most kids from the 60s too I was going to say till 60s to 90s BUT kids still be taking them now..
just i had children and wanted the best for my kids no drugs and no smoking allowed because its bad for you.. And a life without the need for an addiction saves you money and if you save that money they can pay there bills with ease..
I spend 100 pounds on smokes and weed a week stupid I know..
400 a month I can buy a flat and rent it out but I was stupid as a child smoking and drinking
and RAVING..Like a lot of people in life if we never done all this and saved and waited till we were
in our 40s we would all be rich now with big homes..

Cannabis is an incredibly popular and widely used drug in India and is known as ganga, charas or bhang. India has a long history of cannabis use, and the drug is one of the five sacred plants mentioned in the Hindu texts, the Vedas.cannabis is illegal to use and possess in any form. Some figures place regular cannabis users as high as 10 million in India, many of these among the working poor. Many of these heavy users are dependent on the drug and suffer from major health problem like Weaken the immune system, increasing susceptibility to infections Cause nausea, vomiting and abdominal pain. . India is known to be one of the primary consumers of heroin in the world along with China, Pakistan and Iran. The drug is popular in India because it is cheap and readily available... it is a very harmful thing for human body ...

you played a very worrying issue, My uncle was drugged, because of addiction to drugs he stole everything he found and sold for a very low price because it wanted to buy drugs, I did everything: give you advice, money and anything it needs to be since he promised me he would not take drugs ... it was useless because he does not listen to anyone, until one day he robbed us and was though to this day I do not know where this live.

But the most unbelievable this sad story was that I moved to a street where people have money and I think that would be free to see people  take drugs and drink without stopping,  I was wrong ... On the street where I am. I see all days young 18 -35 years of age consume the drug. At first thought to report, but then I realized it was all street are users drug  and of course the police is part of the scheme .... I pretend I do not see anything.

When these young people take drugs fight between them and often stop in the hospital and not fight, have sex on the street with everyone watching.

I am of the opinion that it should not be drugs.

Drugs are destroying our young generation. Govts are not serious about this menace

Legal drugs can also fck you up if you overuse them. You should'nt use any drugs legal or not if you are a healthy person anyway. Even the most innocent painkiller like paracetamol can mess your liver up with extended uses.

And If you trust pharmacy companies like you trust your mommy, you are hugely mistaken. Too many shit is going on there just to take more of people's money.

We used to have a death toll in our most popular news paper for about 3 years or more that actually had the heroin death toll next to the total road toll for the year, i think heroin had more deaths than car crashes for at least 2 of those years.
I don't think the heroin problem is that bad here anymore but maybe its just more underground.

The drug causing all the problems now is this ice crap, this stuff is nasty and has created a whole new drug problem.

Heroin junkies did their fair share of crime as well but once they got the cash they needed they would have their hit and just chill out or nod off but the ice problem is completely different, instead of chilling out these people stay up for days at a time and often commit more crime and get very violent.

It is out of control and the government needs to get on top of this problem quick, they are already loosing the so called "drug war" and it's not a war that can be won but they can win small battles.
What i mean by that is take a drug like ice for example - it is a man made product, the main ingredients needed can't be grown so supply can be monitored.
Apparently the main ingredient in ice is coming to us from China, we need to find out how many manufactures of this chemical there is out there and monitor who those companies are selling to.
It would not be easy but also not impossible. The American DEA did it with Quaaludes in the 80's by going after the few suppliers of the main drug from India i think. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/meth/faqs/quaaludes.html this would be much harder than the "Ludes" though.

yes drugs harm to health and it causes death of many people.but still a person can buy any drug easily and this money is going in to many illegal organizations and mafias.some countries are also promoting some drugs like weed,and its ratio is increasing day by day and people are supporting it in many ways so drugs should be banned properly or should be permit properly

However, when you think about it, food is hazardous to your health, as well. Think of it. If you are hooked on food, you eat a lot, or you eat the wrong thing, and die from being overweight or from a heart attack. Like as we need food in proper kinds and proportions, even so we need drugs... just in smaller quantities.

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Theres nothing wrong with weed, unless its laced with something else in the plant.

But yeah everyone who is taking a drug is basically taking a risk to their own health or taking it with little to no education around it.

Many people are addicted these days, especially in USA  :(

What about Sativex (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabiximols), made by GW Pharma and extracted from weed grown in their UK grow facility?

Dude, I get your points about weed, I know that it's pretty benign and certainly should be legalised. But it's not some magical cure-all super plant.

I used to smoke a lot, and have recently stopped because it gives me negative mental effects - it basically makes me lazy and anti-social, and I function much better without it. Of course, I can see that for some people it has very positive effects, but remember that everyone's body chemistry is different so what works for one person may not work for another.

There's no conclusive evidence that it cures cancer, however there is conclusive evidence that it helps with chemotherapy side-effects for instance, amongst many other things. Like all drugs, legal/illegal/pharmaceutical, there are side-effects and it doesn't work the same on everyone.

And  :D :D at your "no butthole" comments, I literally spat out some beer at my monitor. Like, where does the waste go? Were we some sort of crazy 100% efficient digestion machine? What happened since then to bring down our efficiency so much? Do enzymes exist that could somehow turn 100% of our food intake into some sort of gas that just evaporates out of our skin? Brave Old World...

To tell you'll a story,I have been a weed smoker since last 7 years.I smoke 5 times a week almost everyday.Not like I'm addicted but I enjoy it.There are days when I'm with parents like for a month and I don't get to smoke weed ,I feel I'm completely normal and I don't have an urge for it.In this period of 7 years I have tried everything ,crack,cocaine,Mushrooms,LSD,salvia etc and to my conclusion I found weed is the best drug ,rest all is just a suicide trip.

Was watching some talking head on t.v and they where discussing the legalization of pot here in the next year and he addressed the fact that all his mental health patients had tried pot. Like he was presenting a chicken and the egg debate over if it caused the mental health or they smoked because of the mental health.
Seems to be one of these things that keeps coming up when they talk about the young brain in development stages such as teen years. I can never shake a friend that used to be quite out going and then he broke up with his girlfriend and started to isolate himself and smoke a ton of weed.
Lost touch with him and bumped into another old friend and was saying I never see any one from the old days and the last guy I saw was so and so. He tells me its weird you said that he hung himself in his closet just a month ago. I can point to a lot of people that went a little off with drugs but I think the mental health aspect was there before and the drugs may have nudged them quicker.
Not getting into the sad stories of coke,meth and whatever other heavy drugs cause I rarely go 3 months without seeing a old face now and its sad seeing how bad life is treating them. One guys trial was in the paper and he had beat up his best friend over a drug debt and they where like brothers when we where kids.
Another was arrested for making bombs in his apartment but he always had some issues before the drugs.
You know when you say a old face and life has been rough for them and you want to say something but do not want to risk letting a unpredictable person back into your life and keep walking. It eats at me when I do this and its always a split second thing but I know any ways rambling again...

Point I wanted to talk about mostly was the chicken and the egg of mental health and drugs.

Drugs are pretty good these days if i do say so myself. has anyone ever tried kratom? pretty herbal plant, it helps life easier.
Is cheaper too and some companies are selling it online for this is not illegal in most states. check this krakenkratom.com

That's more like Indonesian or Philippines scene isn't it ? However Saliva is the best alternative if you want to trip balls.

Oh like Khat,that stuff keeps getting nailed at the border,that and dodi. The gravel truck drivers love that stuff,it helps them work long hours and blast through red lights with ease. :D

Kratom is pretty nice, it's a plant containing opioid alkaloids, gives a subtle high, good for social anxiety and motivation. Also very relaxing, but bear in mind it is addictive if used daily.

Kenr, I think you meant "Salvia". I'm not a big fan of it to be honest, although some enjoy it. It's more of a dissociative rather than a classic psychedelic, it doesn't act on the 5HT2-A receptors like most psychs. Where LSD or Mushrooms will enhance your visual field and mindset, Salvia will generally confuse you and dissociate you from your surroundings. But yes, it will certainly make you trip balls, just not pleasant balls IMO.

I live in a third world country and lots of the people here do not take drugs. However, a relatively few take weed.

Drugs cant be controlled unless our politicians stops making money from drugs

Like gun control, it isn't drug control. It is people control.    >:(

drug has been become major problemin my country,its dangerous crime and goverment declare that drug become urgent crime that must be punished with weight punishmenet in the jail,almost 50 peoples die because drug everyday,this is really bad and danger for young generations.

I'm from Serbia, smaller town 1 hour from capital. There are a lot of halucogenic drugs going around and weed (if you consider it a drug) but that much of asome stronger/serious ones, mostly all drugs here come from Kosovo and Albania.

Looks like a dangerous town to me as i was reading your description. Is it allowed in your town? taking hallucinogenic drugs and weeds? or it is not allowed but the regulation are not good enough to take it all?
In our town in here ( a third world country in Asia ) , there is a strict ban for drugs and weeds but the problem is there still people who use in secret places, kind of hard-headed people. They are not afraid to always end up in jail.

When it comes down to it, people are the government everywhere. Is it allowed? Governments are made of people. The reason they want to prohibit what they have made illegal is, you can't profit off your slaves if they are stoned all the time.

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In today's generation where kids are really adventurous and wild, doing drugs is not far from reality. Kids tend to become curious and want to explore things even though they know it's dangerous and can cause harm, not only to the user, but also to other people. Because when people are on drugs, they can do horrible things. That's the reason why there is a very high rate of drug-related crimes. 

One of the major factor for such a big percentage showing interest on drug usage is due to the trend setting. Now young people believe that at this age one need to consume drug. This eventually moves to school children too. This trend setting needs to get stopped.

Restriction of drug is not the best way to do so, sometimes the reason why a person do drugs is because of feeling isolated, lonelines, despair, anxiety, etc. They are victim of a fuck up world too. You can't blame them because the only thing that makes them happy is the drugs they intake.

You might want to check this out to be able to clear up your mind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao8L-0nSYzg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbWpXYOg4OQ

I know OP mentioned illegal drugs in his post but you really can't leave the legal drugs off the list of what can "fuck you up"

You can get a legal drug for every illness you can think of and for all ages.
There is probably more uppers taken by little kids at one school everyday than is sold by a dealer down the road in a week, every second kid seems to be on Ritalin these days just because they are a little more hyperactive than normal or their parents just don't have time to deal with the real problem, this is what should be stopped.

Right. Many people coax their doctor into renewing their prescriptions before the time is up for renewal. Then they go out and take way more than is prescribed. Besides, you can get a lot of prescription drugs south of the border in Nogales, without a prescription.

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Fortunately where I live there is almost no drug problem at all. Yes, you can spot a druggie once or twice per month but that's not a problem IMO.

Ask half the drug addicts out how they really got started on the path of full blown addiction and not just experimentation and they will probably tell you it was prescription medication, this seems especially so in the US .

Yes, drugs really can fuck you up big time! Because once you're on drugs, you don't know what you're doing. You're not in your usual and level-headed self. You tend to become violent and aggressive. People on drugs think that they can do everything and they don't feel anything. They don't care what and how other people would think and feel. So, that's where heinous crimes start.

Drugs are bad, eat those medicine pills rest of your life. Or suffer symptoms. -Cannabis is easy to blame on schizophrenia or some strange human beheavour. :(

People who using drugs is have no fun and have no sens to live in normal state so they are trying to change the world around them using drugs, not so good anyway.

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You are right in a way but what about the legal drugs which millions of people use everyday? That's a shame most people think they are harmless just because they are legal.

Generally drugs are not bad. But once you started abusing  drugs that is time it will fuck you up. Addiction is a bitch it will fuck you up and your money.

Drugs is just eating our young people in a big way

No, we are. We are making them pay Social Security on the job just to support us. By the time they get old enough to collect, it will be gone.

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I agree that drugs affect mental health so badly.
People are too damn clueless and says drugs are cool.

do not use drugs openly in my city. But sometimes I can see the waste from the use of drugs - syringes, etc. I was upset. Moreover, I know that in my city covers police and drug dealers is from this income. The Company once and for all get rid of drugs. And each of us must do everything possible to protect their loved ones from this and children