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Title: a more personal opinion
Post by: Tyrantt on February 17, 2016, 01:57:08 AM
So, lately I've became interested in the way of buddhism. I've seen some video about it and got me interested in it's backstory, origins, etc...
So what are your views on buddhism? Do you consider it religion as every other or maybe something else? I'm really interested in your views here on "pol and soc", since you guys are mostly bashing every religion (I've never been religious person, never really cared at all but this got my attention).


Title: Re: a more personal opinion
Post by: popcorn1 on February 17, 2016, 02:01:14 AM
So, lately I've became interested in the way of buddhism. I've seen some video about it and got me interested in it's backstory, origins, etc...
So what are your views on buddhism? Do you consider it religion as every other or maybe something else? I'm really interested in your views here on "pol and soc", since you guys are mostly bashing every religion (I've never been religious person, never really cared at all but this got my attention).
HOW DARE YOU CALL IT A RELIGION ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQj9c8bU_OA  listen to this

all about inner peace..headphones on and listen and chant..you will feel much better? stress reliever
A GIFT FROM ME TO YOU ENJOY ..please don't call it a religion..
If you think its a religion then watch..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okD6Uet602s  off the main man

But what ever you do don't take it to serious..A little chant now and then wont hurt you..
BUT REMEMBER WHAT YOU ARE DOING COULD BE ALL A LOAD OF BULL..
I.E chanting to relieve stress..you could just breath in and out probable get the same affect..

the chanting sounds good with headphones on rather than just breathing in and out to relieve stress .AND RELAX ;D


Title: Re: a more personal opinion
Post by: af_newbie on February 17, 2016, 02:12:17 AM
So, lately I've became interested in the way of buddhism. I've seen some video about it and got me interested in it's backstory, origins, etc...
So what are your views on buddhism? Do you consider it religion as every other or maybe something else? I'm really interested in your views here on "pol and soc", since you guys are mostly bashing every religion (I've never been religious person, never really cared at all but this got my attention).

I think Buddhism is way better than any of the theistic religions.  I especially like the meditation aspect and reflection.  Focus on a human vs deity.
When I looked at it last time, it has lots in common with humanism.

Their belief in supernatural powers is a bit too much for my blood.  But in all, it is way more positive than traditional bronze age religions; they see things as they are.




Title: Re: a more personal opinion
Post by: Moloch on February 17, 2016, 02:12:59 AM
Most people consider Buddhism to be a philosophy rather than a religion...

Buddhism does not require belief in any specific god, nor does it condone belief in a diety

Buddhism has no sacred texts requiring you to murder heathens/unbelievers...

I'd say it's much less dangerous than religions, and has some interesting texts which can be interpreted on various levels...

Unlike religion, which condemns critical thinking in lieu of faith... Buddhism encourages thinking and reasoning

Mostly harmless, but probably does not have the answers you are looking for


Title: Re: a more personal opinion
Post by: mrhelpful on February 17, 2016, 02:17:57 AM
Some people dont consider it even a religion.

As it is more towards of a way of life style - I personally met a few buddahist friends and they go to temple and what not. And they seem pretty open minded on other religions so why not if its to improve you.

Also you dont need other peoples validation to get into something.  :)


Title: Re: a more personal opinion
Post by: Tyrantt on February 17, 2016, 02:18:17 AM


I think Buddhism is way better than any of the theistic religions.  I especially like the meditation aspect and reflection.  Focus on a human vs deity.
When I looked at it last time, it has lots in common with humanism.

Their belief in supernatural powers is a bit too much for my blood.  But in all, it is way more positive than traditional bronze age religions; they see things are they are.



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Most people consider Buddhism to be a philosophy rather than a religion...

Buddhism does not require belief in any specific god, nor does it condone belief in a diety

Buddhism has no sacred texts requiring you to murder heathens/unbelievers...

I'd say it's much less dangerous than religions, and has some interesting texts which can be interpreted on various levels...

Mostly harmless

That's what got me interested the most. The very concept of humanism and your inner self, inner peace, the lack of rules to obey and the lack of words of hate.

Personally, in todays world, the way of buddhism can be very healthy and relaxing, helping the cause of peace and tranquillity.
The very philosophy of the buddhism is what I'm attracted to.


Title: Re: a more personal opinion
Post by: Tyrantt on February 17, 2016, 02:21:13 AM
Some people dont consider it even a religion.

As it is more towards of a way of life style - I personally met a few buddahist friends and they go to temple and what not. And they seem pretty open minded on other religions so why not if its to improve you.

Also you dont need other peoples validation to get into something.  :)

I didn't look for the validation of others, just rather a personal opinion on buddhism just because it is different from religious we know today. I like to hear other peoples opinions. :)


Title: Re: a more personal opinion
Post by: Moloch on February 17, 2016, 02:28:22 AM
Meditation has been shown to have several health benefits
http://liveanddare.com/benefits-of-meditation/ (http://liveanddare.com/benefits-of-meditation/)
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/features/meditation-heals-body-and-mind (http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/features/meditation-heals-body-and-mind)

It isn't going to cure your cancer, but neither is prayer...


And, while I wouldn't recommend it... I have the utmost respect for anyone willing to light themself on fire in protest of war
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thích_Quảng_Đức (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thích_Quảng_Đức)

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Quảng Đức's last words before his self-immolation were documented in a letter he had left:

    Before closing my eyes and moving towards the vision of the Buddha, I respectfully plead to President Ngô Đình Diệm to take a mind of compassion towards the people of the nation and implement religious equality to maintain the strength of the homeland eternally. I call the venerables, reverends, members of the sangha and the lay Buddhists to organize in solidarity to make sacrifices to protect Buddhism


Title: Re: a more personal opinion
Post by: popcorn1 on February 17, 2016, 02:30:58 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okD6Uet602s


Title: Re: a more personal opinion
Post by: Zeke2345 on February 17, 2016, 02:41:11 AM
Lot of people do not study this religion on more than a superficial level. Its been repackaged for the Western world.
Meditation is great but beyond that...its not for me.


Title: Re: a more personal opinion
Post by: popcorn1 on February 17, 2016, 02:51:42 AM
Lot of people do not study this religion on more than a superficial level. Its been repackaged for the Western world.
Meditation is great but beyond that...its not for me.
Same for me..Meditation is all I need.Well once a month ;D


Title: Re: a more personal opinion
Post by: Spendulus on February 17, 2016, 03:00:09 AM
Lot of people do not study this religion on more than a superficial level. Its been repackaged for the Western world.
Meditation is great but beyond that...its not for me.
Yeah.  Always beware of the "repackaging for the Western World."


Title: Re: a more personal opinion
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on February 17, 2016, 03:09:22 AM
I don't know much about Buddhism, but we have a Buddhist monk come in to our facility once a week to do a group on meditation with our clients.  Her head is shaved and she is like a model of serenity, and I like that.  If that's what she got out of Buddhism (I'm sure it's not the only thing), then I'd say it's worth it.  Not many people can lay claim to serenity.


Title: Re: a more personal opinion
Post by: Zeke2345 on February 17, 2016, 03:51:32 AM
Serenity Now!!!!!


Title: Re: a more personal opinion
Post by: af_newbie on February 17, 2016, 04:01:07 AM
You might find this interview useful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogi9QSJIMqI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogi9QSJIMqI)


Title: Re: a more personal opinion
Post by: bonski on February 17, 2016, 04:08:16 AM
I'm a Christian and I've got an uncle who is a buddhist I found him always offering some foods the altar of his buddha. But I respect him as what he is doing and he is also respecting my faith. But on my own opinion regarding the topic, Buddha lived like us as a person so we all know that no man must worship a person. No debate here guys just my opinion.


Title: Re: a more personal opinion
Post by: Moloch on February 17, 2016, 04:30:01 AM
I'm a Christian and I've got an uncle who is a buddhist I found him always offering some foods the altar of his buddha. But I respect him as what he is doing and he is also respecting my faith. But on my own opinion regarding the topic, Buddha lived like us as a person so we all know that no man must worship a person. No debate here guys just my opinion.

As far as I am aware, Buddhists do not worship Buddha...

They might hold him in high regard as a source of wisdom, similar to a Catholic saint, or how a mathematician might hold Pythagorus in high esteem... But, that is a far cry from worshipping the man

Then again, everyone is different, so there is likely a small portion who do worship Buddha


Title: Re: a more personal opinion
Post by: Tyrantt on February 17, 2016, 05:07:57 AM
Quote
Meditation has been shown to have several health benefits
http://liveanddare.com/benefits-of-meditation/
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/features/meditation-heals-body-and-mind

It isn't going to cure your cancer, but neither is prayer...

No, but it will help you in some other ways and that's why I like it. :D

as much as I understand, buddhists worship the spirit and have no higher deity than Buddha himself.


Title: Re: a more personal opinion
Post by: Tyrantt on February 17, 2016, 05:10:05 AM
Also, are there any buddhist here by any chance? :D to give out some more info first hand about practising it. :p


Title: Re: a more personal opinion
Post by: Moloch on February 17, 2016, 06:17:28 AM
Also, are there any buddhist here by any chance? :D to give out some more info first hand about practising it. :p

I'm no expert, but... I'd recommend starting with some basic info:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism)

Then perhaps moving on to some of the texts of Buddhism:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tao_Te_Ching (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tao_Te_Ching)

I like the Tao Te Ching myself... definitely better than the bible
http://www.taoism.net/ttc/complete.htm (http://www.taoism.net/ttc/complete.htm)
Quote
Holding a cup and overfilling it
Cannot be as good as stopping short
Pounding a blade and sharpening it
Cannot be kept for long

Gold and jade fill up the room
No one is able to protect them
Wealth and position bring arrogance
And leave disasters upon oneself

Much better than "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live"...

or, "...the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli, Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph, Which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Amos, which was the son of Naum, which was the son of Esli, which was the son of Nagge, Which was the son of Maath, which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Semei, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Juda..."
(the bible has some super boring sections)


Title: Re: a more personal opinion
Post by: McDonalds5 on February 17, 2016, 08:59:11 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIxeywo8DP4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIxeywo8DP4)

Buddhism is a popular form of demon worship also known as witchcraft. It is a sin.

10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.

11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

13 Thou shalt be perfect with the Lord thy God.


Deuteronomy 18:10-13King James Version (KJV)


Title: Re: a more personal opinion
Post by: gregyoung14 on February 17, 2016, 09:15:32 AM
Most people consider Buddhism to be a philosophy rather than a religion...

Buddhism does not require belief in any specific god, nor does it condone belief in a diety

Buddhism has no sacred texts requiring you to murder heathens/unbelievers...

I'd say it's much less dangerous than religions, and has some interesting texts which can be interpreted on various levels...

Unlike religion, which condemns critical thinking in lieu of faith... Buddhism encourages thinking and reasoning

Mostly harmless, but probably does not have the answers you are looking for

Seconded this.. It actually doesnt matter now whether it's that wrong or not - Buddhism as a religion. But if you think about it, just as long as they are not harming anyone, i think they are safe..


Title: Re: a more personal opinion
Post by: eon89 on February 17, 2016, 09:21:09 AM
Isn't Buddhism the one where they prepare all their lives to get embalmed? I'm not very informed about Buddhism, sorry.


Title: Re: a more personal opinion
Post by: Moloch on February 17, 2016, 09:47:48 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIxeywo8DP4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIxeywo8DP4)

Buddhism is a popular form of demon worship also known as witchcraft. It is a sin.

10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.

11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

13 Thou shalt be perfect with the Lord thy God.


Deuteronomy 18:10-13King James Version (KJV)


Then do your Christian duty and murder the witch! (joke, please do not kill anyone)

Quote from: Exodus 22:18
Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
Quote from: Leviticus 20:27
A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.


Title: Re: a more personal opinion
Post by: Moloch on February 17, 2016, 09:48:20 AM
Most people consider Buddhism to be a philosophy rather than a religion...

Buddhism does not require belief in any specific god, nor does it condone belief in a diety

Buddhism has no sacred texts requiring you to murder heathens/unbelievers...

I'd say it's much less dangerous than religions, and has some interesting texts which can be interpreted on various levels...

Unlike religion, which condemns critical thinking in lieu of faith... Buddhism encourages thinking and reasoning

Mostly harmless, but probably does not have the answers you are looking for

Seconded this.. It actually doesnt matter now whether it's that wrong or not - Buddhism as a religion. But if you think about it, just as long as they are not harming anyone, i think they are safe..

I can't recall a Buddhist ever hurting anyone, or hating fags, or flying a plane into a building, or kicking their children out of the house for being gay/atheist, or trying to teach creationism in schools, or adding "in God we trust" to our money (the irony) & "under God" to the pledge of allegiance, or putting up 10 commandment monuments, or knocking on my door at 9am to tell me that I'm a hateful sinner who will burn in hell for eternity...

... or burning the Library of Alexandria not once or twice, but three times... oh the book burnings... the science lost... sickens me...

... or the Crusades, Inquisition, Witch-Hunts, Dark Ages...
[/rant]


Buddhists tend to be peaceful people who keep to themselves (probably something to do with that introspection thing they like)


Title: Re: a more personal opinion
Post by: Betwrong on February 17, 2016, 10:20:13 AM
Most people consider Buddhism to be a philosophy rather than a religion...

Buddhism does not require belief in any specific god, nor does it condone belief in a diety

Buddhism has no sacred texts requiring you to murder heathens/unbelievers...

I'd say it's much less dangerous than religions, and has some interesting texts which can be interpreted on various levels...

Unlike religion, which condemns critical thinking in lieu of faith... Buddhism encourages thinking and reasoning

Mostly harmless, but probably does not have the answers you are looking for

I agree. Mostly problems start arising when people want to get simple answers to very difficult questions. Since no one, even modern scientists, can provide a 100% accurate answers we should not condemn those who think differently. Every opinion has a right to be expressed.


Title: Re: a more personal opinion
Post by: Moloch on February 17, 2016, 10:53:50 PM
Most people consider Buddhism to be a philosophy rather than a religion...

Buddhism does not require belief in any specific god, nor does it condone belief in a diety

Buddhism has no sacred texts requiring you to murder heathens/unbelievers...

I'd say it's much less dangerous than religions, and has some interesting texts which can be interpreted on various levels...

Unlike religion, which condemns critical thinking in lieu of faith... Buddhism encourages thinking and reasoning

Mostly harmless, but probably does not have the answers you are looking for

I agree. Mostly problems start arising when people want to get simple answers to very difficult questions. Since no one, even modern scientists, can provide a 100% accurate answers we should not condemn those who think differently. Every opinion has a right to be expressed.

I disagree...

When Muslims want to marry a 12 year old girl, I will speak against it...

When Christians want exemption from criminal charges of negligent homicide because they chose to pray for their child with cancer rather than pay for the surgery(more than 30 States have this law)... I will speak against it

Basically, I am against all the crazy shit people justify under the guise of religion... Strapping a bomb to your chest? Flying a plane into a building?

I wish religion had never been invented


Title: Re: a more personal opinion
Post by: af_newbie on February 17, 2016, 11:10:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIxeywo8DP4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIxeywo8DP4)

Buddhism is a popular form of demon worship also known as witchcraft. It is a sin.

10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.

11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

13 Thou shalt be perfect with the Lord thy God.


Deuteronomy 18:10-13King James Version (KJV)


I thought you guys grew out of burning witches.  I hope you understand that moral code provided in the Bible is wrong.

It is immoral to kill someone who works on Sabbath, cut woman's hand because she grabbed someone's balls, smash babies, or boil and eat babies.  I hope you understand this and developed your morality outside of the Bible.

If you still insist Bible is a divinely inspired and a guide to live by, I suggest you read it again.
Hopefully, we'll not read about you in the news....




Title: Re: a more personal opinion
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on February 17, 2016, 11:23:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIxeywo8DP4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIxeywo8DP4)

Buddhism is a popular form of demon worship also known as witchcraft. It is a sin.

10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.

11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

13 Thou shalt be perfect with the Lord thy God.


Deuteronomy 18:10-13King James Version (KJV)


I thought you guys grew out of burning witches.  I hope you understand that moral code provided in the Bible is wrong.

It is immoral to kill someone who works on Sabbath, cut woman's hand because she grabbed someone's balls, smash babies, or boil and eat babies.  I hope you understand this and developed your morality outside of the Bible.

If you still insist Bible is a divinely inspired and a guide to live by, I suggest you read it again.
Hopefully, we'll not read about you in the news....



For the record I never killed a female when she made contact with my cubes.  And I won't harm the next one who does it either.


Title: Re: a more personal opinion
Post by: gentlemand on February 18, 2016, 12:19:26 AM
It's the only vaguely religious thing that I have any time for really. I'd class the rest as mental illnesses. Buddhist monks do seem to be right violent buggers sometimes but I'm sure they have their reasons.