Bitcoin Forum

I was thinking why a game where you can play based on skills doesn't exist yet, similar to 8 Ball Pool but with BTC (currently available at iTunes and Play stores). What do you guys think? Would you play a game of skill and bet on it? I'm not sure why games didn't catch up with BTC, many could become pro gamers, just as there are pro poker players.

This is a good idea but since its played on the computer, people can build bots and scripts and cheating might be possible. Like when player 1 breaks, he can make a script to get all the balls in consecutively.

Yap, that's the main problem on skill-based game like 8 pool or chess. We will not able to verify whether we are playing against real human or bot unless there is a great feature to avoid bots.

Nah man! people will bot the shit out of the skill based games, take chess for ex. even when there is no money involved people cheat to win worthless games, when bitcoin gets involved, they'll go to any level to cheat and win.

I see, is there not a way to combat the bots then? Why Poker can get away then? I know it's not exclusively based on skill since there's plenty of luck involved, but still.

Yes its what we need in bitcoin world, 8 ball pool is very pool if you look at the numbers on miniclip.  There is software which helps people however the software isn't really a game changer as in you can still beat people who use it. I think more devs should seriously consider this.

Poker involves some dealer in which it ensures that there are no cheating involved. Also, you are given very limited cards, so even a bot itself couldn't cheat on it or guess what the other players' cards are. In 8 ball pool, it might be fun, but then again you can easily create scripts to beat the game and win.

Many times this kind topic discussed here, and noone implemented this bitcoin 8 pool gaming idea.
Yeah because the game like this usually have less enthusiast once the game launched officially.

What about some sort of captcha system at every turn? I'm just brainstorming here, I know if a script/bot is developed it can bypass any sort of security but maybe there's still a way to avoid it.

If the game plays as sexy as miniclip then it will be a winner, if it plays bad then it wont be popular. 

The bot scripts is a different issue so there are 2 challenges here.

I'm not reducing it to just a pool game, it can be any video game or similar. Perhaps with a strong registration you can open an account and be responsible if you get caught up cheating?

Game with betting, you do know how competitive people get even without the money element right? Heard of bots? Scripts? Now its no surprise why no one has made a skill based game, they will be looted the day they start up. And the skill games doesn't give you the ability to verify the 'physics' of a game, which is more or less the part of the game that makes you either win or lose

Probably would be a great idea since it is very simple to play a (online) pool game. It is easier than said because it's like a pain in the ass to make bot-proof skill-based game.

I guess as it doesn't exists it can't be done. But if you take my example of an exact replica of 8 Pool Game with BTC and a similar amount of players it will be a gold mine! The app or site could charge a fee for entering the tournaments or per game depending on the option selected. There would still be store items as in app purchases but all done via BTC.

I never said that it can't be done. An exact replica of 8 Ball Pool is probably the worst idea, IMO. There is like shit ton of cheat/hack for that game. (ex. unlimited guideline hack) I saw a friend of mine use this cheat/hack, lol.

Alright it was just an example since I've used to play that game, do you have any other ideas in mind that may work? It could be anything basically since many games are based on pure skill. But now I can see how security can be a problem. It will never happer soon but I was envisioning a Twitch like platform where all gamers can bet against each other on different games.

A few years ago I played the 8 ball pool game on yahoo I believe it was. After some time getiing up a bit in the ranks I started noticing players making a lot of insane shots, no everyone but about 1 in 10 players were insane. I got to looking around and found some videos of a cheat they were using that showed the exact angle and velocity to hit a certain shot, which was the reason for all the crazy shots. The way no money on the line and there were still people cheating. I don't think a game like this would work very well, I think cheaters would take over and just kill the whole game.

That's a good story, well for me it's clear now why a game like this doesn't exists but I only named it as an example, is there any other game based on skills that can be used? Perhaps even a more complex one like FPS, racing games, etc. I guess there's no way to bypass a script or bot doing its thing.

Sadly there is no way of fighting bots and Poker is not entirely skilled based, there's an element of luck involved and there's also something which humans seem to do better than computer programs, which is called bluffing, this is why Poker bots mostly lose in front of human players.

Pool/Chess/video-games on the other other hand are completely skilled based, no luck/bluffing required, which is why they're not good for gambling because even the best of the players have trouble defeating engines.

Very true. It is a very serious problem and most of all in the game-based skills. I am also very unhappy and doesn't like if the players use cheat or bot in game-based skills. And I hope that if this can be played in BTC hope there's a great feature to prevent the occurrence of fraud.

It seems like a great ideia. The only problem I see right now, and probably the reason why we don't see a boon in these type of games, is the bot problem. How hard it would be to create a bot that would always perform optimal play, and win vs a human?

Would you play an 8 Pool game with BTC as game credit/betting?

As others have said in previous posts - there are too many ways for people to cheat. 8 Ball Pool has some scum bags with millions of coins & ridiculous win percentages, that to me screams cheating. A simple search on youtube shows people how to cheat in all kinds of different ways.

So no I wouldn't play 8 Ball Pool as game credit/betting especially when it's real money/bitcoin involved.

Maybe that is a great Idea, but that really isn't gambling but actually like a tournament kind of game and of you involve bitcoin in it many might play it once they get a hold on some experience and know a little tricks in pool.

this is would be great idea if any games such 8 Ball Pool adopt bitcoin but i so doubt this is would occur because these games less popular than regular games on gambling site such dice, blackjack, or poker

I dont like the strong registration idea its too costly and old world style we have to think smarter than that.  I do like the idea of any game you want to play you can have the ability to bet, there are a few options as regards cheating like 1 would be an ebay feedback style profile.  So as a player you can set it so you only play vs people of a certain feedback score just like on ebay where you can set it to only sell to a person with certain scores.  All this needs some centralization unfortunately but its a start.

Yup! it is a great Idea but I think that pool isn't a necessarily fit or will do a profit like other bitcoin gambling sites, I don't see any gambling strategy that can be use using 8 ball pool! so It will not be that popular. 

Yes I think so. I like 8 ball pool game. So why not. It is fun to do I think and maybe more people will use Bitcoin and than more people will play 8 ball too.
That will be also good if you can use it for 8 ball pool. I will play it if it is going to happen, but you never know.

It will be a great idea of playing 8 Poll game that too with Bitcoin this will make more progress for Bitcoin as their are some players who are not playing gambling but are very interested in like this games, 8 Pool game , Chess and so more.

This is a great idea Player VS Player game with BTC Wagered. so your site will server as an escrow to the pot and

Yup and it is new for other people and I think skill base game is great other than pure luck base in this way many people will hook up in this kind of game a little betting part for two player could make the game more interesting and it will be a gambling too but more on a skill related kind of gambling.

it is a very nice idea, skill based game for btc would be awesome, maybe even tick tack toe, but bots would be a huge problem on game like 8 ball pool, would be really unfair to play against them because they would win

I would surely play if such game exist (for PC users), as long as it will be fair and user vs user only, so skills are required and also a place in which few could bet base on each users win ratio, base on a leading board with different odds.

That is Awesome! a playing on player to player and a betting at the same time it is like an RPG base and gambling base game in one, OP needs to finish this in time and I thing it will be a great success in both pool and bitcoin lovers out there!   

I'm not much of a pool fan, but I would love to play and bet on more skill based games.  As many other people mentioned though, I would definitely be skeptical about whether or not I was playing against a bot/script or if there was a bug that was being used against me.

Well I thing Bot in this kind of pool game is necessarily because you will need to try and practice you will need to know if the sensitivity of the ball is good or if that kind of trick shot will work, yes you can play even with bot and it is a free play kind of thing but I think the betting is not involve when your in training mode!

There will always be risks it would be down to how good the dev is and how well the community police the situation.  If the game is good players will want to protect it.

if that's the case then gambling can have scams too, well actually risk is not only apply to gambling it can also apply to your everyday life on your work, your community and sometimes people you are with for example in your work risking your self in if your work is illegal then your risking your reputation for it and working everyday and being night ship on work can risk your health.

More complex games are even easier to cheat at/create cheat hacks for. FPS games are notorious for bots/hacks - Aimbots, wall hacks, speed hacks, etc.

Good idea there dude  :D but there's alot of loopholes in that idea since most game would against bot from which the higher bet the stronger the bot like you will be finish or defeated without even taking a shot. :P

Yes from what I see the idea is well received but I think we all agree that the bot/script issue is a huge one. Imagine the possibilities not only for 8 pool of course but any skill base game (FPS, fighting, racing, etc) and now with all this new VR technology in the horizon. Some people mentioned that it can be done on location but of course that's not accesible for many, it would be more of a local championship, tournament, etc like many games have now.

The only way I see it working on the net is like I said, heavy bans and laws are needed for members using bots, which would be a form of scam or thief. I'm thinking of close to prosecution charges since a lot of money would be involved.

well yes i would pay, because it is very unique and interesting, and it is really skill based game, not luck based on like dice game,

just problem would be people that creates bots, will be really annoying to play versus them because bot is usually stronger than human

Of course i would like to play a skill game with btc as credit,
But there is no way a Game Developer gonna make this

i don't know how to play it but i am always open to new experiences if there is a learning page on the site.

especially when you say it is skill based i get more interested in trying it out.

http://www.miniclip.com/games/8-ball-pool-multiplayer/en/

It is like this game on the link try it and I think you will love it and if it involve gambling with it that requires payment or a betting on who's gonna win will be great added to the game that will try to use the skill of different players that uses bitcoin.

miniclip sounds familiar; is it a flash game?

anyways i will try it on PC when i get back home, thanks for the link.

I wouldn't play as a few others have said.  It is pretty much impossible to know who is on the other side of the game.  Many people would exploit bots, or use hacks and you wouldn't stand a chance at winning.  It is way to hard to make a skill based game and have people bet money on it online.

i will love that game,even i'm not master on Billiard,but i feel happy to play it,and i wish some dev make a billiard or other great game based android and paid with bitcoin when i'm become winner,but i dont think if there any dev that make application without ads or deposite  :(

This is a good idea since i never see any gambling site here that has pool game.. if someone start a gamblign site pool game maybe you can get more traffics and players out there from other gamling site.. pool is base skill game.. and i love to play too in pool game.

really a good idea. I like to play games 8 ball pool. I would be very happy if could betting with bitcoin.

I agree and there already pro gamers, look at all the betting that goes on, and cheating/hacking won't be a problem you simply take all the cheaters money even if he deposited it. Banned for life lose all btc.

Yes I think some sort of security barrier even if it's a hassle could be implemented. For example you can only withdraw your BTC after you pass a verification process for the games you played. In real time I don't really know how you could avoid bots and hacks...

I would love to . Hmm interesting idea ..  I will find a developer soon .

yes, i really would play it, problem with games like this is because of bots that would play and get money, and that would be unfair so everyone avoids to create sites like this and of course everyone would be afraid to play there

Yup! it is a flash game, you can play all sorts of flash games there, that you can choose but that pool game is the most interesting out there and I think OP can get some idea from this game.

OK Good luck in playing and have some fun.

It's available on mobile both on Android and iOS platforms, actually Miniclip's 8 Ball Pool is the perfect example for my initial question and idea. I've been reading a lot lately about eSports and how they will be bigger than regular sports in 15-20 years, maybe even sooner. The only problem I see is regulation and security which I didn't considered and are serious obstacles.

I think we can all agree that this can only work if the even is on site. Bots and scripts will be too difficult to handle and eventually make a dent at the plaftorm and business as a whole.

Yeah, it will attract more people to there, more people are already fans of 8 ball pool only for points and if they hear that now there is bitcoin available for us to win then there will be about more than half the world to play that game.

Unfortunately, with Miniclip's 8 Ball Pool - a lot of cheats are EASILY found with a simple Google search.

I think I would do this because its fun to do and its also that you can than earn money with it, I think it also will be a whole new experience for a lot of people.
Another fact is also that it would be nice to do because its than only depending on your skills, no luck included.

I was about to mention this.

If the game involves easily with manipulating ways to win with a simple google search, then id prob not want to play from the start.

Anyone ignoring those facts, is just at risk hoping to not get cheated on.

Unless theres some thirdparty screen share to view each match? but even then, its questionable.

Sure you could get a thirdparty to view the game, but then fees will need to be introduced. Not such a bad thing.

That's actually a great idea, some sort of online referee or moderator that can ask some questions for each game and keep and eye on each game. But I'm sure that a moderator for each game would be very expensive to maintain.

I also think this is a pretty good idea, a some kind of moderator that keeps everything clean and can step in when something will go wrong.
Most likely its not always needed for low amounts of bets in my opinion it should not be needed, only for high bets.

I think you're having a hard time patching things up, and I think it is very difficult if some players has a cheat in your browser game just like other browser games out there that have been hack by many hackers you will need time and preparations for this to make security of players safe and your game user friendly.

You increase the risk of having people creating bots for the game which will result in a mayhem when it comes to fairness.. That's the reason I think this is not a feasible idea.

I think that will be great too, just like in online games many has multiple accounts that they use to cheat items, well OP will need a good programmer for this but he know how to make programs then I think he has a clue in what to do.

i like to play it but the problem is that we have no such trend here. most of the people donot know about bitocin.

Unless you add a random element of luck (random spin, sudden wind in a direction, increased ball mass for less velocity) there is no way to get around bots. Captchas fail. Prompts fail. Anything can be macro'd.

me against the house playing 8 Pool game i think not because obviously the results will be lost because there is no players could defeated house in casinos online but may be if players vs players i would considering for playing those game

that would be really cool. i would like it a lot!

Good question actually i will play this game in in ipad but it's just fun game there is no income from that game. Yes if it add to skill base game means many people will play this game. But one thing how it helps to house edge i don't know here 2 players we need to play this game so if we bet any amount means it will go to winning person but house owners how they make profit i don't know.

off course i would like to play that game with bitcoins. Before i played that game so many times i did not even think about this but it would be great!

Well there are sites where you lose to another player instead of the house. Bitcoinrevolver is one.

I will play this game on my phone, but it is online game only. No betting site I found for this 8 ball pool game some one is telling some sites is allowing this game to play with bitcoin let's try now. But this game is pretty much exciting . Actually, I was addicted to this game but to come out now I am playing another game. But from this game if I can make some money means again I will start to play this game.