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Welcome, i am Lukas Sidwa.

I have small rig (2x7970) etc. That dosn`t meter.

Now i am intrested  to buy some ASIC and i see a lot of scam`s (BFL is mb biggest SCAM too).

I was send a msg to "Institute of Electron Technology" in Poland and they said they could perform ASIC included with FPGA, but not to many copies (I asked by 1000).

I dont know now price of this.

The price depends on the scale of performance (SMLAER = more power).



This is not SCAM, becouse i talked with real people who have been through a lot of these projects (ASIC).

Any one is interested??


How i can collect people?

And how i can collect the money? (in safe way)

Religion should work pretty well. Maybe reestablish Czarnobóg?

You are very funy. But i am not.

Practice?

Here are some jokes that might help: www.jokes.com

Sounds legit. Where do I send the money?

This is joke? I have create a group of users to make a delivery.

Yeah, OP did write "This is not a SCAM" and that's good enough for me.

When it arrives, I'll plug it in and it will make me a fortune. Then I think I'll buy a solid gold car
and golden rollerblades.... and a diamond hat!

http://www.ite.waw.pl/pl/materialy_prasowe.php?news=enITE120111a (http://www.ite.waw.pl/pl/materialy_prasowe.php?news=enITE120111a)

http://www.ite.waw.pl/pl/oferta_ite.php?klawisz=1033 (http://www.ite.waw.pl/pl/oferta_ite.php?klawisz=1033)

http://www.ite.waw.pl/pl/Z09.php (http://www.ite.waw.pl/pl/Z09.php)

http://www.europractice-ic.com/ (http://www.europractice-ic.com/)

He joined 1 week ago and has 10 posts so he must be legit

Maybe he could help BFL as a technical consultant get there ASIC's to market

Why are u not funny...DO u suffer from depression ???

I had a dog that was depressed but then i took him for a walk everyday and he was a lot happier

Maybe you should go for a walk to be funny again..life is too short to not be funny

What is diference betwen user joined 1 week ago, and 1 year ago ?? more posts or something ? This is not good way to rate a ppl.


I dont need your money, i have collect people to make this delivery. I don`t must keep your money.

The first batch is sold out!!! damnit, I was too slow!

Talk some more with the lab guys and get them interested enough to do a simulated asic. Let them do the selling and advertising if they want to make them, you can get paied as their cosultant if they are nice.

How about the polmine crowd? They surely would buy some.

I'll sell you my pre-order for the next batch....

Honestly - the general pre-asic forum banter is almost a little frightening to read - there are some people that really need to reduce the stress level a bit... 

exactly, until now there is NO ASIC so far!  ::)

If u dont need my money why are u asking for it ???

ASIC has been around for decades and there are plenty of places which have produced many of them.  What is new is designing ASICs for Bitcoin mining and the people you talked to do not have experience in that.  It's not as simple as saying "make me 1000 Bitcoin mining ASICs" because they need to design the product first and the development costs are going to be significant.  

You're at least going to have to come up with a design and specifications before anyone's going to take you seriously, and it's pretty unlikely any new player entering the ASIC market is going to be able to fund development with customer pre-orders.

Because now i don`t need it. Now its no way to make pre-order or somethink. All is at low level and i dont have keep not my money. (Now i negotiates and for that we dont need the money)

After some simulations they can take a approximate price.

And then I will be able to collect pre-orders.

This is long way, but everything is possible.

If you can't even give specifications for what you're going to ask these people to produce, then you're not equipped to become an ASIC vendor and nobody's going to trust you with their money.  Once any Bitcoin mining ASICs hit the market, people aren't going to be willing to place pre-orders. 

You're going to have to find investors to fund the development costs for your ASICs and then recoup those costs from sales.  You might be able to use the ASICMiner model of investment for funding development, but first you'd have to convince people that you have the slightest clue about technology and the type of ASIC unit you'd be aiming to develop and so far you haven't said a single thing which suggests that you are technologically competent enough to undertake such a venture.  You seem to be under the mistaken impression that you can just order these units off the shelf from any ASIC producer and that's simply not the case.

I'm quite intersted in possibly being an agent for you in the UK. Perhaps for a percentage pre-order
revenue I can deliver? I have a few questions though:

-2) Can they be liquid cooled or do I have to keep them in a fridge?
-1) Do they run off ordinary electric and are compatible with ordinary telephone lines/broadband?
0) Do they come with instructions in Engligh?
1) Do you accept refunds on the deposits?
2) Do they come in different colours? If so I'd like a blue one, a grey one for my nan, a
pink one for my gay dog.
3) Can I collect them in person from Poland (I have my own car)?
4) Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?

Is Tom posting drunk again under a diff alias?

3.5) My license allows me to drive only during daylight hours so can i sleep over once I arrive ?

5) Are you batman ?

+1  :D

++ GOLD... :D

Come'on, give the guy a break... He had an Idea and is/was excited about it and sounds like he is enjoying the research etc.  This post doesn't sound to me like he is asking people for their money and English is Obviously Not his first language.

In a way, this is how everything in Bitcoin started..with an idea. Many people here just spend their time acting like dicks so they can feel better about themselves or something (I really don't know why).  Let people talk and let the ideas flow, after all isn't this the "Custom Hardware" forum??  I'm so sick of hearing crap about BFL, bASIC, Avalon and various scams as I'm sure many of you all are.  Let people TALK and Quit being Dicks.  If you think their Topic or post is nonsense then just move along...pretty soon there will be no one in this forum cause it's become TRASH

If you in any way support Bitcoin then please let others be able to have some excitement as we all once did and some of us still do. 

I'd like to believe that instead of trolling me now that some of you will just Move along.....Thanks

Too much excitement will get you burnt around here.

True that Notme, i'm a easily annoyed person myself but it does no good to actively stifle anothers enthusiasm.

Who knows, some guy may have this revolutionary idea that could hasten Bitcoins adoption by mainstream financial institutions but was never taken seriously and worked on cause the guy was sick of being ridiculed when he brought ideas up in the forums.  This is a long shot but just saying.

These forums aren't going to make one lick of difference in an ASIC project.  It is all a matter of having the right skills get together and do the thing locally.  And then the actual production needs funded.  Perhaps the forum could help there, but until that point there isn't much good asking around here will get you.

To OP:
Check bitcoin wiki, read bitcoin whitepaper, look at open source FPGA designs, and read sha256 specification.  Google can help you find all this fairly easily.  If you have the team locally to do this, please make it happen, but you won't get much help here at this stage.

I don't know which is funnier
a) the pathetically bad scam attempt
b) that people are providing real advice and feedback

Kinda like offering tips to the guy offering Three-card Monte on how to get his gaming license.

Ok, maybe I asked the wrong question.

Is found to be willing to ASIC when it is already in the testing phase (simulation)?

Twój angielski jest tragiczny. Używaj google translate.

This guy is asking if anyone on the forum wants to participate in beta testing (or maybe simulation) phase once ASIC is ready. Though as far as my impression goes, he only chatted a little with those guys at the university who make ASICs and asked them if they can do that. And they said "yes", but nothing was started. Not even an early design phase.

I think that he asks people to contribute work (not money) into the design, to make those ASICs real. Well if anyone is eager to participate, maybe this will work. Though the language barrier when communicating with him can make things difficult.

My english is tragic, but I speak Polish very well.

In some days i make special forum to this project.


I think they can do that  ;)

I'm interested in it. I did a little research on it and there could be a possibility to produce ASIC in Europe:

http://translate.google.de/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ite.waw.pl%2Fpl%2Foferta_ite.php%3Fklawisz%3D1033&act=url (http://translate.google.de/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ite.waw.pl%2Fpl%2Foferta_ite.php%3Fklawisz%3D1033&act=url)

http://translate.google.de/translate?sl=pl&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ite.waw.pl%2Fpl%2FZ09.php&act=url (http://translate.google.de/translate?sl=pl&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ite.waw.pl%2Fpl%2FZ09.php&act=url)

http://www.europractice-ic.com/ (http://www.europractice-ic.com/)

As others have suggested, you need to first educate yourself on what this technically means, ask them again, and then clarify to us. When producing ASICs, what matters is the initial cost, so 1000 units or 2000 won't make much difference in the final bill.


After you have a transparent business model and a proper design, I bet it would be fairly easy to find investors, even through the forum. ASICMINER did it, and they would easily be able to do it without involving GLBSE. So I would focus on the plan first; if you have a good plan, people would invest.

However, you are late in the game, and if at least two of the producers succeed, the chances that your endeavor will be profitable is slim (to say the least). I also have friends that work in chip design, but it never did strike me as an attractive business.

If I were you, I'd instead put my efforts on a different Bitcoin related design. We still don't have a decent hardware wallet for instance...

I agrree with you, but better late than never. At the moment there is NO proof of a working ASIC chip so far!

My alarm clock begs to differ.

no risk so far. let him start with that which he is speaking about and if he can show a proof which convince me than I'm in because we didn't see any proof of anybody so far.

Inb4 SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY

I would be interested in the possibility to buy a Bitcoin ASIC device from Europe. Good luck with the project.

Super by było gdyby udało się wyprodukować w Polsce takiego scalaczka. Podejrzewam jednak że koszty byłyby ogromne. Kiedyś w Polsce były zakłady produkujące układy scalone (i to jedne z lepszych na świecie), ale teraz to można niestety zapomnieć o wyprodukowaniu czegoś wyrafinowanego. Wafle 150mm i proces 130nm to chyba najlepsze na co można liczyć, niestety. Jeżeli nawet udałoby Ci się zgromadzić środki na ten cel to o konkurencyjności w stosunku do Chińczyków możesz zapomnieć. Jakby co to mam parę pomysłów jak w miarę sensownie taki układ zaprojektować aby był łatwo integrowalny w dużych systemach.
Pozdro.

http://translate.google.de/?hl=de&tab=wT#pl/en/Super%20by%20by%C5%82o%20gdyby%20uda%C5%82o%20si%C4%99%20wyprodukowa%C4%87%20w%20Polsce%20takiego%20scalaczka.%20Podejrzewam%20jednak%20%C5%BCe%20koszty%20by%C5%82yby%20ogromne.%20Kiedy%C5%9B%20w%20Polsce%20by%C5%82y%20zak%C5%82ady%20produkuj%C4%85ce%20uk%C5%82ady%20scalone%20(i%20to%20jedne%20z%20lepszych%20na%20%C5%9Bwiecie)%2C%20ale%20teraz%20to%20mo%C5%BCna%20niestety%20zapomnie%C4%87%20o%20wyprodukowaniu%20czego%C5%9B%20wyrafinowanego.%20Wafle%20150mm%20i%20proces%20130nm%20to%20chyba%20najlepsze%20na%20co%20mo%C5%BCna%20liczy%C4%87%2C%20niestety.%20Je%C5%BCeli%20nawet%20uda%C5%82oby%20Ci%20si%C4%99%20zgromadzi%C4%87%20%C5%9Brodki%20na%20ten%20cel%20to%20o%20konkurencyjno%C5%9Bci%20w%20stosunku%20do%20Chi%C5%84czyk%C3%B3w%20mo%C5%BCesz%20zapomnie%C4%87.%20Jakby%20co%20to%20mam%20par%C4%99%20pomys%C5%82%C3%B3w%20jak%20w%20miar%C4%99%20sensownie%20taki%20uk%C5%82ad%20zaprojektowa%C4%87%20aby%20by%C5%82%20%C5%82atwo%20integrowalny%20w%20du%C5%BCych%20systemach.%0APozdro. (http://translate.google.de/?hl=de&tab=wT#pl/en/Super%20by%20by%C5%82o%20gdyby%20uda%C5%82o%20si%C4%99%20wyprodukowa%C4%87%20w%20Polsce%20takiego%20scalaczka.%20Podejrzewam%20jednak%20%C5%BCe%20koszty%20by%C5%82yby%20ogromne.%20Kiedy%C5%9B%20w%20Polsce%20by%C5%82y%20zak%C5%82ady%20produkuj%C4%85ce%20uk%C5%82ady%20scalone%20(i%20to%20jedne%20z%20lepszych%20na%20%C5%9Bwiecie)%2C%20ale%20teraz%20to%20mo%C5%BCna%20niestety%20zapomnie%C4%87%20o%20wyprodukowaniu%20czego%C5%9B%20wyrafinowanego.%20Wafle%20150mm%20i%20proces%20130nm%20to%20chyba%20najlepsze%20na%20co%20mo%C5%BCna%20liczy%C4%87%2C%20niestety.%20Je%C5%BCeli%20nawet%20uda%C5%82oby%20Ci%20si%C4%99%20zgromadzi%C4%87%20%C5%9Brodki%20na%20ten%20cel%20to%20o%20konkurencyjno%C5%9Bci%20w%20stosunku%20do%20Chi%C5%84czyk%C3%B3w%20mo%C5%BCesz%20zapomnie%C4%87.%20Jakby%20co%20to%20mam%20par%C4%99%20pomys%C5%82%C3%B3w%20jak%20w%20miar%C4%99%20sensownie%20taki%20uk%C5%82ad%20zaprojektowa%C4%87%20aby%20by%C5%82%20%C5%82atwo%20integrowalny%20w%20du%C5%BCych%20systemach.%0APozdro.)

^^^
Now that's what I'm talkin' 'bout!

I had one of those and the wheel fell off

You should only collect people if you can acquire the whole set.  If you only have part of the set, it's worthless.

As BFL had a "whole set" before they aquired their customers  :-X ???

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ymNre4gQbT4/ULvjgL4AfOI/AAAAAAAADKo/9GJeCViq5Ww/s1600/Facepalm_9a08b9_59080.jpg

"Is not scam," Jr Member; good enough for me!


Damn it!  Getting slow these days.

https://i.imgur.com/oSMqMrY.jpg

If you are not inerested , only dont spam pls.

I'm interested.  Give me an address to send my bitcoins. 

1Hut5vXA5ocFGHFQ2yMP9kqSq6qcdeSz4K

^^this?

Oh goody!  BTC0.1 sent!  TX# 8816829939f0061ef02827f25c534962887a869433d6d68dd76c791af63af502

How many jiggahash do I get?   ;D

I'm sure glad this "is not SCAM." 

https://i.imgur.com/xlcGwLV.gif

dude! fortunately I have the private key. give your return address. txfee = 0.0005

1KuugESypcpzRq4nLWFUD6FwB6MXHt6WUx

^^this?

keep it bro, no worries!  Good luck with your project.

bro, it's not my project. but I recognized the intention of OP and the possibility to produce ASIC in Europe/Poland does exist.

so OP please post your address here and 0.1 will go there.

Please donate the .1BTC to GATA at 1GATA3hUsxq3DmAhpACBHvB4r7u32xBRur.

Thanks! 

Done! txid: 29d2180243408ef2fd663ac59f73ca8ab88c1b47c0c994cfbfd8f6dafc5e8f73 (http://blockchain.info/tx-index/45748376/29d2180243408ef2fd663ac59f73ca8ab88c1b47c0c994cfbfd8f6dafc5e8f73)

New info, asic working, now 4,8 GH/s (1 chip, prototype)



http://i50.tinypic.com/290wy6q.png

Stats prove nothing, maybe a pic of your actual asic setup ?

Hi, Is it real?
Let me check it, I'm Computer Engineering from Warsaw.
Hope you mean ASIC, not FPGA? And which process could you manage?
Could you send me your phone number and I'll call you back?
mateusz.kowalczyk@universalunit.net

I'm taking you serious.


Czy to jest prawdziwe?
Pozwól mi to sprawdzić. Skończyłem inzynierię komputerową i jestem z Warszawy.
Mam nadzieję że masz na myśli ASIC a nie FPGA? I jaki proces technologiczny masz na myśli?
Możesz mi podesłać numer do Ciebie, to oddzwonię.
mateusz.kowalczyk@universalunit.net

PS biorę Cie serio

He said it's UMC65nm.
http://www.umc.com/english/process/a.asp
65nm like BFL, could be nice.
I just wonder how fast could you deliver it to the market, it's crucial.
And last but not least is implementing cutting edge algorithm optimization into chip, as I know prof. Łuba in Warsaw is a good specialist, but there are probably more of them.

I'm really excited that there is sth. going on here in Poland about that.
 

Ideally you should do nothing, absolutely nothing without posting detailed information of your complete assembled and tested product.  Photos and videos help.  And if you're not part of the company that is actually creating these, then good job so far, but tell them to come and post here.

I'm Polish, I am interested in working.

mail: kp@aph.pl

OT but its so many polish people here?

If these work I'd buy one....

-5 for mineral oil cooling

Mineral oil cooling? Just put a fridge in the room with the door open. I thought we covered this!

Wont work I've tried this, you burn out the fridge, they are designed for short brief operation not continual use. best cooling I ever did was Oil/Water heat exhange to my ground water well, oil was pumped through a radiator in had piped down to the well, and pump pushed the heated 30-55c mineral spirits back at about 0-10c dependent on flow and rate and season.

@szuetam
Why you`re suprised that lots of .pl ppl are here ?
We dont have decent bitcoinforum at home.

Finger crossed for ASIC made in .pl :D

This is foto (my old USB cam) of a prototype board (4,8 GH/s):

http://pics.tinypic.pl/i/00286/1rwbdnzk8kit_t.jpg

show larger image

I cant see that.

Why different colors for the heatsinks? Stick with blue, you'll improve hashing rate by about 17.4%. Also the odd angle of the black one is causing instabilities in CGminer.

I think I only provided support in cgminer for up to 15 degrees of black heatsink rotation, but 25 degrees for blue.

This is pathetic :D Please, keep those pictures to yourself. I certainly wouldn't trust someone who can't even afford a proper camera.

Can you maybe remove heatsinks to see what IC are under? I bet they are some fat FPGAs by the size..

I want to follow this tragicomic comedy.

I didn't know that LCD driver boards can hash!  I wonder how many gigahash I can get from my Samsung 221BW

Didn't bother reading... any suckers actually taking this seriously?

So, let me get this straight. Your first post was on January 16. You posted a picture with a supposedly working ASIC on February 4.

You are telling me now, that you went from nothing to silicon in barely 3 weeks? What?

Yes, why not?

In this convenient list of semiconductor fabrication facilities -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabrication_plants
 you can clearly see how the fabs located in Poland are far ahead of any others in both vapor technology and capacity.

You would have to be fucking stupid to believe that would work!!!1

Enough with the hate. He even posted proof of the actual prototype! He just need to release a review covering the one or two doubts around his design then he's ready for mass production and selling.