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Title: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: The Koolio on June 08, 2011, 10:11:38 PM
Ok before I write this, I want people to understand I am not a believer, I am not a fantasist and I do not want to make direct links between bitcoins and the things I discuss.

OK i read a lot around the illuminati, new world order and to some people 'all that shite'. I dont believe in it, however I do think there  is a strong possibility of its existence. To me Ive read pretty heavily fact based evidence around 9/11, the financial crisis, earthquakes, and even the collapse of recent of arab and middle eastern states. To the objective viewer of such subjects many believe that 'they' created such issues so as to not only lead to a one world state (I give you IMF, NATO, and the like).  It is also many peoples beliefs that they are attempting to milk all liquid cash out of the system that we call our financial world.

Now with what limited evidence that I have read about the creator Satoshi,  I believe that one day IF the bitcoin system collapses and that satoshi does not make himself present in one way or another, that this was all a ploy in order to scam hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars from you and me. We are firm believers in Bitcoins, we see logical sense in its creation, as well as its future within out world. But since the world wars it has been an objective of western states to use disinformation as a weapon against those who stand in 'their' way.

By skipping financial control, legislation and the direct influence of politics, this all seems very in line with disinformation, especially as the creator is not around to back his claims. Note that in previous attempts to create a untraceable internet currency the founding companies were subject to tax and drug enforcement controls and ultimately shut down. I understand that the same cannot be implemented to bitcoins, however there is one thing that can. Bank control over input and output of foreign currencies to the system. It makes me, and many of my friends think, why has this not been discussed yet. As I understand it the system is worth $200million, why have the banks not stopped the flow of money, much like how they stopped donations to the wikileaks scenario.

I could write on and on, but what I have written is for those who think 'what if...' I hope you go to do your own research in time and make your own conclusions.

WHAT I DO NOT WANT ARE COMMENTS SAYING THIS IS RUBBISH OR THAT MY CLAIMS ARE UNFOUNDED. ILL REPEAT AGAIN, I DONT FIND FACT BACKING MY INFORMATION, I AM PURELY BEING INQUISITIVE ABOUT A SUBJECT WHICH I BELIEVE COULD HAVE SOME POSSIBILITY.



Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: tgeo on June 08, 2011, 10:17:31 PM
tl;dr


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: The Koolio on June 08, 2011, 10:19:52 PM
excuse me?


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: tiberiandusk on June 08, 2011, 10:21:28 PM
If so then the Illuminati is good people.  8)


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: nazgulnarsil on June 08, 2011, 10:21:53 PM
this is rubbish and your claims are unfounded.  welcome to the internet.  you're free to spout whatever crap you want, everyone else is free to call you an idiot.


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: DATA COMMANDER on June 08, 2011, 10:35:03 PM
this is rubbish and your claims are unfounded.  welcome to the internet.  you're free to spout whatever crap you want, everyone else is free to call you an idiot.

This post is rubbish, and your claims about the Internet are unfounded.


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: tgeo on June 08, 2011, 10:40:04 PM
excuse me?

too long; did not read


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: tanerlorn on June 08, 2011, 10:46:04 PM
Illuminati and truth movement are a JOKE. Listen to celtic rebel for more.

http://celticrebel.wordpress.com/

Some real good info lately.

I'm tryin to get him to accept donations in bitcoins


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: silversurfer on June 08, 2011, 10:50:03 PM
I'm not convinced that "The Powers That Be" are truly against Bitcoin.  Maybe Satoshi is himself in the Illuminati...  ???


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: The Koolio on June 08, 2011, 11:11:15 PM
I'm not convinced that "The Powers That Be" are truly against Bitcoin.  Maybe Satoshi is himself in the Illuminati...  ???

my thoughts exactly.... maybe satoshi is a kaiser soze


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: tanerlorn on June 08, 2011, 11:56:04 PM
Way to ignore my post OP. You're either a government agent or very very stupid. Tons of good info there and you seem to have all the time in the world (making stupid posts here) yet you completely ignore it haha.


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: grue on June 08, 2011, 11:59:31 PM
not sure if troll


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: SpaceLord on June 09, 2011, 12:00:42 AM
First, you claim you're not a believer. Then, you say there's a strong possibility the Illuminati exist. Which is it?

And anyone who actually believes the 9/11 Truther movement...I don't even know what to say.


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: The Koolio on June 09, 2011, 12:08:34 AM
a possibility does not mean i believe. Its like saying theres a possibility god exists... but I dont believe in him?!


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: str4wm4n on June 09, 2011, 12:12:58 AM
ITS A TRAP!!!!


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: buttcoin on June 09, 2011, 12:17:16 AM
This sure is something


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: str4wm4n on June 09, 2011, 12:23:19 AM
And anyone who actually believes the 9/11 Truther movement...I don't even know what to say.

And anyone who actually believes a plane hit the Pentagon...I don't even know what to say.


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: The Koolio on June 09, 2011, 12:32:06 AM
And anyone who actually believes the 9/11 Truther movement...I don't even know what to say.

And anyone who actually believes a plane hit the Pentagon...I don't even know what to say.

Or that area 51 doesnt exist

Or even that down the road theres an area 52!


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: mellowhead on June 09, 2011, 12:33:55 AM
I know no one asked me, but if you ask me... this is a pointless topic of discussion.


Title: -
Post by: - on June 09, 2011, 12:36:06 AM
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Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: The Koolio on June 09, 2011, 12:49:48 AM
i know you said dont read up on conspiracy theories etc...

watch jesse venturas shows... they opened up a few minds i bet!


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: foggyb on June 09, 2011, 01:05:32 AM
And anyone who actually believes the 9/11 Truther movement...I don't even know what to say.

And anyone who actually believes a plane hit the Pentagon...I don't even know what to say.

Sigh. Really, stop smoking pot or stop reading rubbish conspiracy sites. The cleanup operation was done by hundreds of normal firefighters (and paramedics for immediate aftermath), many of which have publicly spoken about it, including about the plane wreckage and parts. The blackboxes of AA 77 have been found there, too. (as have been the remains of the plane, many parts of which can be seen on photographs).

Really, where do you think the US government is hiding all those AA-77 passengers? Or did they kill them so they wouldnt talk?  ::)

The pentagon probably has the highest density of security cameras on the planet. And yet - NOT ONE FRAME of a passenger aircraft was ever shown to the public. Are you really that gullible?

Two police officers and a civilian reported that the "aircraft" flew on the north side of the Citgo gas station across the freeway from the Pentagon. The 9/11 Commision claimed that it flew on the SOUTH side of the gas station, with broken street lamps as evidence. But you accept the official story? I guess accuracy isn't that important to you.


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: oneforall on June 09, 2011, 01:09:32 AM
You're either a government agent or very very stupid.

EITHER OR?
now thats something you don't hear in these parts every day.


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: buttcoin on June 09, 2011, 02:24:06 AM
The pentagon probably has the highest density of security cameras on the planet. And yet - NOT ONE FRAME of a passenger aircraft was ever shown to the public. Are you really that gullible?

Two police officers and a civilian reported that the "aircraft" flew on the north side of the Citgo gas station across the freeway from the Pentagon. The 9/11 Commision claimed that it flew on the SOUTH side of the gas station, with broken street lamps as evidence. But you accept the official story? I guess accuracy isn't that important to you.

https://i.imgur.com/0eNRI.jpg

That's not plane debris?
You're insane.


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: The Koolio on June 09, 2011, 02:45:53 AM
The pentagon probably has the highest density of security cameras on the planet. And yet - NOT ONE FRAME of a passenger aircraft was ever shown to the public. Are you really that gullible?

Two police officers and a civilian reported that the "aircraft" flew on the north side of the Citgo gas station across the freeway from the Pentagon. The 9/11 Commision claimed that it flew on the SOUTH side of the gas station, with broken street lamps as evidence. But you accept the official story? I guess accuracy isn't that important to you.

https://i.imgur.com/0eNRI.jpg

That's not plane debris?
You're insane.

Actually thats only one piece of plane debris. You need to watch a documentary on it, there are workers from the pentagon's adminastrative side (non army) who claimed it was more of a missle explosion than a plane. Heard of building 7? the apparent place where 911 was planned... did you know it collapsed too? without anything hitting it? Did you know the us mobile command plane was in the air at the time of planes hitting hte towers, when it was denied by us officials.... pointing to that being the mobile command point for the whole thing. seen the slow motion footage of the planes hitting the towers... that they were really military jets packed with explosives... cant deny the fact that the planes started blowing up from the nose onwards.... why? theres no fuel there.... I could go on and on and on and on...


DONT EVEN GET ME STARTED ON BIN LADEN... YOU THINK THE US ARE STUPID ENOUGH TO WAIT A WHOLE YEAR KNOWING WHERE HE WAS.... its a shame that 99.9% of the population are stupid enough to listen to the disinformation that is spread!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mxFRigYD3s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-jzNfxKSio&feature=related


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: nuggets4all on June 09, 2011, 03:08:01 AM
RE: 9/11

I can say with the utmost certainty that I know exactly what didn't happen that day: the official story. The 9/11 Commission Report was a coverup of gross negligence on the part of the vast security apparatus that was supposed to prevent such things from happening. Many gov't officials should have lost their jobs and possibly even been charged with criminal negligence for not stopping those attacks. We had all the intel necessary to prevent the attacks, but bureaucrats dropped the ball.

Government never admits when it is at fault, which it certainly was in regards to 9/11. Again, I'm not in the "Bush/Illuminati/LordXenu did it!" camp, I just know gov't ineptitude when I see it.

Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer was in charge of a project that could have prevented the attacks, but was scrapped shortly before 9/11. He repeatedly attempted to give testimony to the 9/11 commission but they ignored him. Last year he published a book about the project called Operation Dark Heart; the DOD bought all 10,000 initial copies and burned them. This isn't kooky conspiracy theory, this is documented fact.

tl;dr Gov't bureaucrats are to blame for their negligence in failing to prevent the attacks and to believe this is not akin to believing the OP's wild assertions that he "does/doesn't" believe.


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: buttcoin on June 09, 2011, 03:21:33 AM
The pentagon probably has the highest density of security cameras on the planet. And yet - NOT ONE FRAME of a passenger aircraft was ever shown to the public. Are you really that gullible?

Two police officers and a civilian reported that the "aircraft" flew on the north side of the Citgo gas station across the freeway from the Pentagon. The 9/11 Commision claimed that it flew on the SOUTH side of the gas station, with broken street lamps as evidence. But you accept the official story? I guess accuracy isn't that important to you.

https://i.imgur.com/0eNRI.jpg

That's not plane debris?
You're insane.

Actually thats only one piece of plane debris. You need to watch a documentary on it, there are workers from the pentagon's adminastrative side (non army) who claimed it was more of a missle explosion than a plane. Heard of building 7? the apparent place where 911 was planned... did you know it collapsed too? without anything hitting it? Did you know the us mobile command plane was in the air at the time of planes hitting hte towers, when it was denied by us officials.... pointing to that being the mobile command point for the whole thing. seen the slow motion footage of the planes hitting the towers... that they were really military jets packed with explosives... cant deny the fact that the planes started blowing up from the nose onwards.... why? theres no fuel there.... I could go on and on and on and on...


DONT EVEN GET ME STARTED ON BIN LADEN... YOU THINK THE US ARE STUPID ENOUGH TO WAIT A WHOLE YEAR KNOWING WHERE HE WAS.... its a shame that 99.9% of the population are stupid enough to listen to the disinformation that is spread!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mxFRigYD3s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-jzNfxKSio&feature=related

Holy shit, no wonder you're investing in bitcoins, you're a certified nutjob.

You're telling me the pentagon secretary say's it was a missile, not a plane? That's your fact?

Military jets hit the towers? Are we watching the same 9/11 footage?

And yes, I do think the US would wait a year to capture the #1 most wanted man in the world, considering the backlash a hasty operation would create.


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: The Koolio on June 09, 2011, 03:41:45 AM
You need to wake up and realise that this is all part of the New World Orders plan to get into the hearts and minds of all eastern countries. Afganistan was their route in, now they are all falling. Even your president... who the hell was he a few years ago? Ill tell you what he was a manchunian candidate getting trained up! you think everything is how they show it on tv? read up, educate yourself dont leave it to others on tv to educate for you!


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: andrew_jacksun on June 09, 2011, 04:27:40 AM
dear OP, bitcoin is uncontrollable and works as currency or barter.
this is exactly what the NWO illuminati central banking reptilians have destroyed entire countries to prohibit.

everyone on this forum doing any tiny thing to regulate or change the system is infact a troll for the bitches i previously mentioned. i'll give you one example http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=13758.0;all

regulation is always passed in the most peaceful of reasons, usually because of some bad the elitists themselves propagate


Title: -
Post by: - on June 09, 2011, 06:11:07 PM
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Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: RodeoX on June 09, 2011, 06:17:40 PM
If only the true nature of world power were that interesting?


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: The Koolio on June 09, 2011, 06:39:45 PM
You need to wake up and realise that this is all part of the New World Orders plan to get into the hearts and minds of all eastern countries. Afganistan was their route in, now they are all falling. Even your president... who the hell was he a few years ago? Ill tell you what he was a manchunian candidate getting trained up! you think everything is how they show it on tv? read up, educate yourself dont leave it to others on tv to educate for you!

You need to be institutionalized. I am not being snarky or mean. You do need a psychiatrist and ambulant therapy wont cut it.

Good luck and regards,
0110.

says the person who reffers to himself as 0110


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: PLATO on June 09, 2011, 06:47:23 PM
I made a website that's a context for discussing all this stuff.

I haven't announced it anywhere, nor do I have any users there, but would you guys like to help me test it out?

forum.subvert.me (http://"http://forum.subvert.me/")


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: TECSHARE on June 13, 2011, 02:49:51 AM
You need to be institutionalized. I am not being snarky or mean. You do need a psychiatrist and ambulant therapy wont cut it.

Good luck and regards,
0110.

Remind any one else of Soviet Russian gulags?


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: SpaceLord on June 13, 2011, 02:59:29 AM
You need to wake up and realise that this is all part of the New World Orders plan to get into the hearts and minds of all eastern countries. Afganistan was their route in, now they are all falling. Even your president... who the hell was he a few years ago? Ill tell you what he was a manchunian candidate getting trained up! you think everything is how they show it on tv? read up, educate yourself dont leave it to others on tv to educate for you!

And you're not a believer?  :o Egads.


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: NO_SLAVE on June 13, 2011, 03:19:26 AM
meh, we should focus our lives on existing outside their sphere of monetary and psychological influence.
This is all irrelevant.


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: Oldminer on June 13, 2011, 03:24:01 AM
http://masterdev.dyndns.dk/drslog/not_sure_if_serious.jpg


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: Bind on June 13, 2011, 03:26:50 AM
"The truth can be extremely difficult to find. It is often hidden by disinformation, propaganda, manipulation, and purchased and destroyed."

"How often do you need to be successful to be taken seriously? The best hitter in baseball history only got things right 40% of the time, and only in one season."


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: tanerlorn on June 13, 2011, 03:42:20 AM
Bump for celtic rebel radio show on LIVE right now for next 3 hours! www.oraclebroadcasting.com


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: bitrebel on June 15, 2011, 07:10:30 AM
Bitcoins are a collaborative effort on the part of Jesse Ventura, Ron Paul, Alex Jones, Gerald Celente, Bob Chapman, and Terry Anderson to break the back of the Federal Reserve.  This money is used to fund the revolution against the Illuminati.

Bitcoin Exchanges are created by the Illuminati to attempt to profit off the use of bitcoins by revolutionaries and use that money to fund propaganda campaigns against bitcoins.

Both parties finance the DDos attacks, in order to try to take control over the propaganda.
Both parties spread stories to sensationalize bitcoins.

The Masons and Vatican were both large consumers of bitcoins in the early days. Both factions attempted to liquidate at the same time, causing a price deflation overnight.

A right wing christian militia group bought the bitcoins as they went down in value and then sold them as they increased in value and are now poised to break away from the US and start their own country with guns, bombs and bitcoins.

I was not supposed to say anything.


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: RodeoX on June 21, 2011, 04:53:56 PM
At this point it would almost be comforting to think that there are secret groups so competent that they could control the world. The fact is no such entity exists. The biggest decision a group of free masons are likely to make is what day to hold the annual BBQ on.
Ya know, history is all written down. It may not be as interesting as the nonsense dreamed up by our sophomoric pop culture, but the truth is easy to find.


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: Bind on June 21, 2011, 05:06:00 PM
Ya know, history is all written down.

you should go research it some time.

and I dont mean wiki, school books, or the history channel.

you might learn something to pull you away from indictrination.


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: foggyb on June 21, 2011, 05:10:42 PM
it would almost be comforting to think that there are secret groups so competent that they could control the world.

Really? You're comforted by the thought of any man or small group of men at the reins of humanity's destination? It scares the crap out of me.

Ya know, history is all written down.

That statement has a huge problem. It implies that someone knows all of history, and has read and verified all historical texts.

the truth is easy to find.

Not true.  :D


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: tymothy on June 21, 2011, 05:14:22 PM
Some people forgot to take their meds today.


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: Bind on June 21, 2011, 05:20:11 PM
the truth is incredibly hard to find.

its been stolen, bought, destroyed, and well hidden by those who do not want much of it known. History is the key to the world we are living in today and the future.

you can find enough of it if you look hard enough to prove whats happening in the world today is designed and contrived by an insidious influence.

People like RodeoX have simply never looked. Maybe they are like the rest of 99% of the sheep population who is indoctrinated and manipulated by establishment controlled media, their schooling, advertising, fear of being different than their peers/community, government propoganda, etc.

My parents are alot like that - waving the flag around believeing the news and propaganda shoved down their throat, willing to give up more and more freedom and liberty to feel a little more secure and safe.

"... the majority of the people of the world are sleeping people ... sheeple is what they are ... and they are riding the judas goat right in to the shearing pins, and from there they will go to the slaughter, and will not know that there is anything wrong until they smell of blood of the sheeple in front of them ..."


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: Alik on June 21, 2011, 05:49:30 PM
Although I highly doubt that their are groups out there today calling themselves Illuminati, it's fairly obvious that the ideals written in their own writings, especially from 1773, exist today through many elitists. I also doubt that Bitcoin was created as part of an elitist agenda. What I WOULD be concerned about is an infiltration which is step number 1 for the powers at be to take in order to take control or shut something down. If not in the form of legislation or statutes from the bureaucracy, it would come from much more creative means that would seem very "Bitcoin friendly" at first.

I am weary of it and I do keep my eyes peeled. Bottom line is, alternative currencies are an attack on something they control and have manipulated people to and believe in it's legitimacy.

Thomas Jefferson says it best:

-Thomas Jefferson
"If the American People ever allow the banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers occupied. The issuing power of money should be taken from the bankers and restored to Congress and the people to whom it belongs. I sincerely believe the banking institutions having the issuing power of money are more dangerous to liberty than standing armies.

We are completely saddled and bridled, and the bank is so firmly mounted on us that we must go where they ill guide.

The dominion which the banking institutions have obtained over the minds of our citizens...must be broken, or it will break us."

(Letter to James Monroe, January 1, 1815).

-Thomas Jefferson to Edward Carrington
"Paper is poverty,... it is only the ghost of money, and not money itself."

-Thomas Jefferson to Albert Gallatin, 1803
"[The] Bank of the United States... is one of the most deadly hostility existing, against the principles and form of our Constitution... An institution like this, penetrating by its branches every part of the Union, acting by command and in phalanx, may, in a critical moment, upset the government. I deem no government safe which is under the vassalage of any self-constituted authorities, or any other authority than that of the nation, or its regular functionaries. What an obstruction could not this bank of the United States, with all its branch banks, be in time of war! It might dictate to us the peace we should accept, or withdraw its aids. Ought we then to give further growth to an institution so powerful, so hostile?"

-Thomas Jefferson to William C. Rives, 1819
"Certainly no nation ever before abandoned to the avarice and jugglings of private individuals to regulate according to their own interests, the quantum of circulating medium for the nation -- to inflate, by deluges of paper, the nominal prices of property, and then to buy up that property at 1s. in the pound, having first withdrawn the floating medium which might endanger a competition in purchase. Yet this is what has been done, and will be done, unless stayed by the protecting hand of the legislature. The evil has been produced by the error of their sanction of this ruinous machinery of banks; and justice, wisdom, duty, all require that they should interpose and arrest it before the schemes of plunder and spoilation desolate the country."


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: konakevin on June 21, 2011, 06:15:26 PM
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Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: BitcoinPorn on June 21, 2011, 06:23:33 PM
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Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: RodeoX on June 22, 2011, 12:07:00 AM
Well I was kidding about being "comforted" about a secret controlling group. But i don't believe such a group exists. I DO think history is easy to find. If you go to a university and study the secret societies you will find that, while they had some power, they could not control the world. Not even close. Most of them died out.
It would be magnitudes more difficult to control the world today.


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: Bind on June 22, 2011, 01:40:46 AM
Well I was kidding about being "comforted" about a secret controlling group. But i don't believe such a group exists. I DO think history is easy to find. If you go to a university and study the secret societies you will find that, while they had some power, they could not control the world. Not even close. Most of them died out.
It would be magnitudes more difficult to control the world today.


ok since you obviosuly have no clue, perhaps backtracking is what you need to do.

Start with the United Nations. Track their history and the people involved, then track their history.

Rinse and repeat.

Do the same for the club or rome, council on foreign relations, the carneigie foundation, the ford foundation, the rhodes trust/rhodes scholarship, the rockefeller foundation(s), world bank, international monetary fund, world wildlife foundation, knights of malta, freemasons, bilderberg group, the bohemian society, and oh so many many more.

Its pretty simple. They worship intellect. Luciferians. They believe man can become their own God through knowledge. Their goal is to learn and teach each other how to control everyone else. Thats the big secret. The Light. They believe that because of their superior intellect, and the fact the rest of us do not learn and use our intellect to it fullest ability, they have the supreme right to rule over us.

Think about it. All these elites are the most powerful people in the world. The richest. When you are a competative business-person at the top of your game, and you have all the money in the world to buy anything and anyone you could ever want, whats left to attain or strive for ???

Pure unadulterated Power ... Control.

Every major player of wealth, power, and control is part of a secret society linked with others. They have rituals around fire performing mock sacrifice rituals. That mock sacrifice represents us. The fire represent knwoledge and intellect, becasue fire was and still is the most important "technology" every invented. Nothing we value today would exist if it wasnt for fire. Nothing. Fire is one of their most important symbols. And its all about symbolism and there are alot of symbols.

Think about man before fire. He was lonely, scared, cold, and was hunted down and soemtimes eaten. he didnt know what to do. Until that first strike of lightening struck a tree causing fire. Eventually man was able to keep the fire going. Then manipulate and create it. He was probably thought of as the first King, the first Priest, the first scientist. Everyone worshiped him because of this new technology that SAVED THEM from the terrors of the night. The animals trying to kill them.

Luciferians take this a bit farther and see daylight night as the Dark Prince, and daylight as the Saviour.

this is just a minute fraction of what they elite worship and believe.

this is not what I believe.

it doesnt matter what you or I believe.

it matters what THEY believe because of its daily effects on us, our families and communities, our governments and monetary systems ... and our very lives depend on it.

they own it all ... global corporations .. governments ... leaders ... legislators ... local school boards ...etc

most are dupes while the ones near the top are adepts.

wake up.

learn your history.

besides its alot more interesting that watching Survivor or a football game.


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: £ on June 22, 2011, 01:57:23 AM
ok since you obviosuly have no clue . . . etc etc

(edited in the intrests of brevity/sanity)

This is simply the same tired old conspiracism that has washed around the internet for more than a decade.

These ideas tend to be held with such inerrant devotion that it becomes difficult for the adherents to even listen to discussion of (let alone challenge or criticism of) these ideas, to do anything other than wholly subscribe to every part of these ideas is seen as an act of hostility by conspiracy theorists. Rational discussion tends to be out of the question.

As soon as you see the high water mark of epistemological arrogance - "wake up" - you pretty much know the conversation is limited.


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: £ on June 22, 2011, 02:12:30 AM
. . . . the usual crap about 9/11 and earthquakes  . . .


I dont believe in it, however I do think there  is a strong possibility of its existence.

 ::)


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: Bind on June 22, 2011, 08:06:21 AM
I have no doubt you disbelieve it.

99% of the worlds population either does not know about it or disbelieves it.

I truly envy you disbelievers. It would make life so much easier to blanketly disbelieve without the formality of fact and evidence to back it up. Unshakable faith in your leaders and governments and their controllers is a wonderful thing. I used to have it and it was glorious.

Researching these things and history can change nothing. It's simply the path to the truth and acceptance. Knowing about it can change nothing in and of istelf. That takes activism and time and dedication.

Once researched for yourself and accepted, we can then educate others, help them on their path to research and acceptance, then we can prepare. To me its all about preparation. Teaching my family the truth so they can accept and prepare appropriately in case the shit hits the fan.

You see I believe the elite are scared of us, especially those of us in the countries where we still have much of our freedoms, liberty, most notably, the right to form militia and to keep and bear arms. They need to keep us happy, because history repeats itself. In history, time and time again oppressive and tyrannical, and totalitarian governments and leaders have been systematically overturned by The People they tried to take to much from. This is their achilles heel. Their weakness. So they must make us believe that we are happy in a propagandized world, but we are actually enslaved. Shackled by debt. Our obligation to them. Debt is their main tool but there are thousands of others. You do not have to be hanging on a wall, in chains, or in a prison cell to be enslaved. All it takes is to be obligated.

They need to keep us happy. Bailouts, interest rate changes, quantative easing, social programs, assistance, welfare, you name it, whatever it takes they will do it to keep us happy so long as we have the right to keep and bear arms, because otherwise you have 300 million people who are armed and have nothing, thus nothing left to lose. 300 million people out the get them. There's nowhere they can hide. So they will do anything to keep the system going. At some point it will fail for them because they are systematically raping us, the system is a ponzi scheme, and they will not be able to keep it up forever. Thats the day we need to prepare for. They day they go to far.


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: bitrebel on June 22, 2011, 08:12:53 AM
Alex Jones for Pres.
Jesse Ventura for Vice Pres.
Ron Paul, Sec. of Treasury


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: firefox on June 22, 2011, 09:51:43 AM
its hilarious how truthers try and convince people with logic

and the deniers slander and talk shit to the truthers with absolutely no evidence(other the the tv told me so)



i tell you to wake up and open your mind... you tell me i need to take my meds and proceed to tell me I'M the idiot....
that's when i tell you to go back to your American Idiot marathon


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: £ on June 22, 2011, 01:16:32 PM
I have no doubt you disbelieve it.


Disbelieve in what eactly ?

Your claims cover the usual misanthropic spectrum of conspiracism, everything from musings on superstition to mass indoctrination, from the nefarious underpinnings of media to schooling and advertising, from your parents being willingly credulous consumers of propaganda to the United Nations being . . . well being something (typically the case is not made only alluded to), from the Club of Rome to Luciferians, from the Freemasons to . . . well just about everything is involved in this vast and insidious all pervasive conspiracy.

My main interest (and criticism) is the methodology employed to arrive at and to hold on to these ideas  - the sheer contempt for others who might hold differing views, contempt regularly drifting over into misanthropy, and the simplistic dichotomies/trichotomies conspiracy theorists tend to divide the world into (which often sees them march headlong into straw man arguments) - think of it as a kind of intellectual curiosity, a kind of social anthropological interest rather than an exercise in proving or disproving your various conspiracy notions.

99% of the worlds population either does not know about it or disbelieves it.

Again, for clarity, you've not stated what 'it' is, but I will read it as a 'vast and secretive web of deceit' know only to a small band of unusually insightful 'truthers' bravely sounding the alarm for all mankind ?


I truly envy you disbelievers. It would make life so much easier to blanketly disbelieve without the formality of fact and evidence to back it up. Unshakable faith in your leaders and governments and their controllers is a wonderful thing. I used to have it and it was glorious.

Here we have the first (I would guess of many) false dichotomies (and it's corollary straw man argument):

If someone disagrees or challenges your ideas they are immediately labelled as mindless automaton who credulously accept the word of their 'controllers', anyone who might question some of your ideas have unshakable faith in their leaders - and have no evidence to back up their position.


Once researched for yourself and accepted, we can then educate others, help them on their path to research and acceptance, then we can prepare. To me its all about preparation. Teaching my family the truth so they can accept and prepare appropriately in case the shit hits the fan.

Here we have another 2 stalwarts of conspiracism, firstly the 'research device' - regardless of what opinions the conspiracy theorists comes up against he (or she) can simply brush them aside by explaining that they simply need to do more research, you don't believe my claims ? Then you just need to keep researching until you do ! And secondly the looming threat alluded to here (be prepared . . . we never know when the shit will hit the fan) - all branches of magical thinking tend to have a great happening, an epoch changing event as part of their canon (a revolution, a great awakening, a rapture, the return of the 12th Imam, a global war . . .etc) and there tends to be two universals to these great happenings, the first is that the event will happen in the lifetime of the subscriber to the idea and the second is that he (or she) will be on the 'winning' or 'righteous' side.

They need to keep us happy. Bailouts, interest rate changes, quantative easing, social programs, assistance, welfare, you name it, whatever it takes they will do it to keep us happy so long as we have the right to keep and bear arms, because otherwise you have 300 million people who are armed and have nothing, thus nothing left to lose.

Here in the UK we have no right to bear arms and yet we have all those measures in place (bailouts, interest rate changes, quantitative easing, social programs . . .etc) - The same can be said of most countries, in light of this, perhaps your notion that the right to bear arms is causally related to these measures might be wrong ?


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: firefox on June 22, 2011, 02:02:58 PM
alright mr E

word your argument? however you want


what you just said is bullshit
your saying that "truthers" tell everyone off if they don't believe in the theory... that is so far from the truth,  we encourage people to seek the truth(hence truther) from places other then just the TV, to free their minds from the "programming" that has infiltrated the worlds media empire.

most people that haven't "woken up" nitpick the small details of the larger message.  that message is to question everything, including the conspiracy, and to learn from the past.


I encourage you that don't believe in the "truthers", which in itself is ridiculous considering truthers only seek the truth, to read about the lead up to Nazi Germany and how most countries(except iran and few others) is reading right from Hitler's playbook.
and to the people that talk shit to the truthers, you are so closed minded and afraid of truth that you resort to slander


and about the research the conspiracy theorist do... Ive ran into maybe 4 people since 2004 that have provided ANY evidence to support any arguments against me...  i try and back my claims with everyone that doubts what i say.   the other 1000s of people just go and tell me to shut up, take my meds and accept the lies.


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: foggyb on June 22, 2011, 02:06:04 PM
It would be magnitudes more difficult to control the world today.


I argue the opposite is true.
1. Communication is instant and at the fingertips. 250 years ago it took 3 months to relay a message from one continent to the other.
2. One can circumnavigate the globe in hours. 250 years this took the better part of a decade.
3. Thermonuclear weapons can vaporize millions in seconds. 250 years ago their lethal weapon of choice was a single-shot smooth-bore firearm.
4. Despite the age of information, it has never been easier to propagandize the whole world. Never before in history has it been possible to lie to billions of people in one moment, and get away with it.
5. It has never been easier to accumulate massive amounts of wealth to be used in the creation of oppressive power structures.




Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: Kehaar on June 22, 2011, 02:15:25 PM
The thing most confusing about this, The Koolio, is why you're talking about conspiracy theories, and yet have your avatar as a common Freemason symbol, which most people consider to be mixed up in the conspiracies :p


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: £ on June 22, 2011, 02:32:22 PM

your saying that "truthers" tell everyone off if they don't believe in the theory... that is so far from the truth,  we encourage people to seek the truth(hence truther) from places other then just the TV, to free their minds from the "programming" that has infiltrated the worlds media empire.

Yes, that is my claim, that 'truthers' readily accuse those who don't subscribe to their notions as being benighted and clueless fools, of being credulous sheep (or 'sheeple') unaware (or 'unawoken') to the dark machinations of the world that they, uniquely, are alive to.


most people that haven't "woken up" nitpick the small details of the larger message.  that message is to question everything, including the conspiracy, and to learn from the past.

I absolutely agree, healthy skepticism is a very good thing, question everything, take nothing on faith. But, no, I don't agree that the detail of an argument should be ignored for the greater good of the broader argument, ideas are built on the foundation stones of these details.

and to the people that talk shit to the truthers, you are so closed minded and afraid of truth that you resort to slander

A wonderfully concise self-defeating statement.  ;D In your rush to admonish people who 'slander' (libel) others you manage to squeeze in the idea that these people are 'talking shit', 'closed minded' and 'afraid of the truth'.

 :D

Or as an old friend once said "swearing is for cunts".


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: becoin on June 23, 2011, 05:59:13 PM
I know no one asked me, but if you ask me... this is a pointless topic of discussion.
I don't know. What I do know, however, is the ssl cert for forum.bitcoin.org is issued by Startcom Ltd. - an Eilat/Israel based company. By the way, in the time of writing this they have just switched to a new ssl cert provider... LOL


PS - Now is back to its original one. It is changing between StartSSL.com cert and server www.mineco.in ssl cert provided by
GlobalSign nv-sa BE. What's going guys, somebody is laughing at you big time?

The only browser I believe in is Opera, catching all security issues.


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: cloud9 on June 23, 2011, 06:45:37 PM
http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/06/21/against-the-gold-standard/


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: cloud9 on June 23, 2011, 08:30:40 PM
http://www.cnbc.com/id/29880401/The_Biggest_Holders_of_US_Government_Debt?slide=16


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: cloud9 on June 25, 2011, 12:50:52 AM
http://www.cnbc.com/id/43425042/?slide=1


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: dmatthewstewart on April 06, 2013, 12:15:17 AM
this is rubbish and your claims are unfounded.  welcome to the internet.  you're free to spout whatever crap you want, everyone else is free to call you an idiot.

+1
and another +1 for good measure


Title: Its not our financial world -yet
Post by: mobile4ever on April 06, 2013, 12:50:23 AM
It is also many peoples beliefs that they are attempting to milk all liquid cash out of the system that we call our financial world.



It is really not "our" financial world. Looking at history, we find that a few clever gold dealers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMiN_i-uzpA&t=11m29s) created the "financial world" that we have been using. It is not ours, unless you are one of those owners of a national central bank. We use "their" financial system. Calling the system something mysterious, like Illuminati, just clouds the understanding. Who owns the financial "world"? The central bankers. We are just using their paper ""assets"" (with two sets of quotation marks) as a means of exchange. Everyone knows they have no value in and of themselves. As some say, "Cash is trash".


That is the rub. Humanity was deceived years ago and most of humanity just keeps going along with it. Ignoring the history of what happens when you separate the value of the paper bills from gold, and it has happened over and over, just keeps the megamoguls in power. It is THEIR financial world that we have lived in. Bitcoin is a chance to make the financial world ours again.


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: Tek-Ti on April 06, 2013, 01:20:49 AM
I did read your post. Skipped many of the trolling comments thou.

The wild conspiracy theories references aside, you're basically speculating the following: Why have financial authorities/institutions/banks not blacklisted the exchange markets (like MTGox)? Just like PayPal are somewhat famous of doing, and so on?

It's an interesting take. Perhaps they do not yet fight the Bitcoin ecosystem. Yet. We will most likely see such behavior soon.

The point being with Bitcoin thou: Shutting down MTGox (or any exchange markets) will not shut down Bitcoin. It may sever some of its use and spread but Bitcoin as a system is designed to be independent of such attacks.

As a contradict, you speculate that Bitcoin may be just a big troll by some secret global government to confuse us in their power struggle? While I don't believe so myself, only time will tell...


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: mai77 on April 06, 2013, 01:34:56 AM

sure. Illuminati are behind it. no doubt about it.  :-X

it all makes sense  :o


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: mai77 on April 06, 2013, 01:28:55 PM
except: some claim it's the Iranians! http://www.tribbleagency.com/?p=8854


Bitcoins showed up in 2009 … and had a run up in 2011 to about $35 dollars, then crashed to about $4 to $8. This was supposed to be the end of the story, but it wasn’t… after a year or so of hovering post crash dollars it started to explode around July of 2012. Now trading at at roughly $140

Those are the facts.

This is the most wild but compelling conspiracy theory that might have legs, all in a single chart.

In a nutshell, Bitcoins are backed by oil. Literally weeks after the European Union implemented sanctions against Iran, the price of Bitcoins started to explode.

http://www.tribbleagency.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/price-300x109.jpg


Title: Cancis had it right I believe
Post by: mobile4ever on April 06, 2013, 01:54:04 PM
Here is what Cancis put up yesterday on the Gartner Hype Cycle:





You can see his post here:


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=168012.msg1751518#msg1751518


Title: illuminati, new world order?
Post by: mai77 on April 06, 2013, 02:05:53 PM

I still guess it's the Iranians.

They clearly have a motive: They are up against the jews!


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: papa_snurf on April 07, 2013, 05:30:09 AM


OK i read a lot around the illuminati, new world order and to some people 'all that shite'. I dont believe in it, however I do think there  is a strong possibility of its existence.



Lol... You crackpot you...


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: papa_snurf on April 07, 2013, 05:32:21 AM
this was all a ploy in order to scam hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars from you and me. 


You must be very rich. ;D


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: Hexadecibel on April 07, 2013, 05:36:51 AM
If we become the new world order the world is going to get a lot more silly.


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: jubalix on April 07, 2013, 07:46:13 AM
<tinfoilHatOn>tl;dr</tinfoilHatOn>
<tinfoilHatOFF></tinfoilHatOff>


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: Mike Christ on April 07, 2013, 07:49:50 AM
Will the NWO have pizza?


Title: Re: Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?
Post by: NikolaTesla on April 07, 2013, 08:02:18 AM
The elites have wanted a global digital currency for a long time. The problem with getting such a thing adopted by the rest of the world is who will control the central bank? If the US controls it why would other countries want to adopt it? The power struggle over such a thing would be a mess.

As I see it, Bitcoin with its decentralization is the first real solution to that problem. It would not surprise me if "they", "the powers that be", or whatever you want to call them, want Bitcoin to succeed. I don't see any problem if they do; it's by far a superior way of doing things whether they support it or not.