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I don't know yet lol

beside ruining his reputation by defaulting on a ridiculous bet...

has he done other scamy things?

you can put not sure, you'll be able to change your vote later.

Thanks it went from "no" to "not sure" but I'm sure it will return to "no" ....also, I would like to know what other scammy things he has done ...he was surely an a$$ to me accusing me of so many things....

edit: I suppose I shouldn't have left it like a cliff-hanger on what he did ...at one point he posted my I.P by tricking me through the private PM on here in order to get and posted it and tried to associate some scammer idiots to it ... really annoying shit I remember.

You need some grey in these choices dude. He's not an actor in a hollywood film  :P

OP add option for "FAG"

So friend, foe, or fag  :D

+1

Well he's whoring out his underage girlfriend. OP, add an option for "pimp"

[citation needed]

It's all over the forums. You know the whole Yoon something something thing.

Ah right that one.
It's a common 'business model' (no pun intended)

They could even earn some decent cash with it, but without the bitcoins... oh well  ::)

A man offering bets on the interwebz with no escrow.. I think someone needs to learn.. Did anyone learn ?

Look in the ASICs forum for your answer.

im not a fan of trolling/FUD, but this is just hilarious :D

My girlfriend actually does know Yoon, but that's a stretch to call her my girlfriend.



Unfortunately, I have been a part of a couple "scammy things". My eagerness to work with people (anyone) without doing due diligence in the type of people I was working with has put me into more than a few situations that I still can't explain away. This community is pretty small though (think of it like a really small town). All it takes is one person seeing you with a girl late at night and now the whole town has made up a story that you probably have AIDs.

Just shut up with your cheap slander. Matthew might be a scammer, but you are now ignored. With enemies like you, he'll get rid of the tag in no time.

I am going to say this, I believe Matthew made a bad taste in a "joke" with the pirate bet. And both Matthew and goat have fling the underage porn thing, which kinda cancelled out. But just cause he knew a girl that models and she would take pictures for bitcoins, nothing that bad really. I mean we have all had that hot girl that you kinda tramp around. Maybe that was his version.

I think the dude has an entrepreneurial spirit, that we need more of in this community, so we shouldn't cast him away in exile. BUT we shouldn't welcome him back with open arms I think he really needs to prove it, and just show us, he is back at that level.

Also maybe one of the mods could manage a "bet" fund, and all or half of the profits from these new ventures can be put there to be disturbed to those people.

We're talking about a large amount of funds over a long period of time.  I don't think the mods are the appropriate people to be delegated that role.

The mods are just as corrupt as anyone given enough opportunity.

Maybe if all victims could agree on a punishment/fine, it could work (like a 1000 BTC donation to a charity, or developing a specific project). Of course it needs to be a consensus, so either everone must agree or debt to those left out need to be settled individually.

I would agree to this. I vote for a 1000 btc donation to torservers.net.

nice idea :P

Thank you guys for your suggestions. I will consider making a donation to torservers both financially and by contributing work as well in the future, but for now I believe the individual settling of this debt is the proper way to go. I have an idea for how to curb my trolling attitude, and it does in fact involve helping others with their project for no profit, so that is kind of in line with what you guys are thinking. I think.

Yeah... Fuck you both.

Matthew indicated in the "I need help" thread" that he believed Pirate would pay and the profits from him winning the bet would help him with some real world financial problems.    It doesn't sound like a "joke".  If he had won he would have sought losers to pay.   He just never had the ability or intent to pay if he lost.  Then again he didn't think he would lose so it was a no consequence method to make money.

He was just joking about paying off if he lost.  If he won, he was serious about taking the money.  The morality of a thief.  He somehow doesn't seem to realize he just digs himself deeper any time he posts shit like that.  The scammer tag is quite appropriate.

and?

"I will not go down in history as the guy who ran away from his responsibilities."

Yes you will.  You owe over $1M and have indicated you have no ability or intent to repay it.  The only outcomes that isn't "ran away from responsibilities" is repayment of the money you owe.  Period.  Your long rationalization on how/why the theft occurred is meaningless.  A guy on trial for raping someone can hardly use as a defense that when the date started it wasn't his intent to rape anyone and he didn't realize until after the attack that he might have hurt someone. 

You did intend to steal.
You did believe Pirate would pay and thus profit handsomely (even if only a small % of bets actually paid) despite having no intent to pay if you lost.
You did cause others to suffer a loss.
You do not have any intention on repaying those you owe in full.

What part of that seems like responsible?  Are you delusional enough to think merely posting on a forum with no intent to repay, somehow makes you responsible?  

In all honestly, your entire post hinges around a misunderstanding so it is actually difficult to give a response to. That said, I have always watched your posts with great admiration at their depth and knowledge and that also pains me that I could not have given a better impression to the people, like you, that I actually admired.

I understand that you are aggravated with me. Thank you for helping to address the issues with what I did and why it was wrong. I do agree with you that it was horrible taste, awful behavior, and completely unacceptable. This and no other is the reason for asking "What should I do?". I see now you perceived this as meaning "can I come back without paying anything?". This is far from the case though. As for my actions, I will keep adjusting my attitude and personality and see what happens in life from there.

Thank you for your continued concern, I know it is in everyone's best interest including mine.

What I would find interesting is: Did you really think pirate would pay?

Because, if you did making the bet would be a worse offense than otherwise.
Making an unjust claim/bet/whatever on purpose would just be clownish.

Lol! That's funny  :D

Indeed, it raises the question of what the "lesson in trust" was supposed to be.  Was it supposed to be that the community shouldn't doubt people or that they shouldn't blindly trust high profile members? 

If there was an honest belief that pirate would pay, then the only intended lesson which makes any sense is that people shouldn't be so cynical.

If the intended lesson was "trust no-one", then I don't see how an honest belief that pirate would pay could have existed - rather the "lesson" seems to be about how greed encourages unwarranted trust (first in pirate and then in Matthew).

I'm still confused about nature of the intended "lesson".

I think I can help clarify this just a bit. At the time the bet was made, the forum was full of people left and right arguing about things they didn't know the real answer to (a troll's paradise), one side claiming that payback would be impossible and another side claiming that Pirate was a saint. The original lesson was intended for people who threw trust at pirate and other "funds" so easily, hence the comical nature of a bet that size without escrow. In my mind at the time, I was hurting no one except for people who needed to be reminded to stop trusting people so easily. That logic was obviously flawed and I was soon to realize that when it cost people money in the process.

The major mistake I made was not sticking with the prank. I fell to temptation and flip-flopped on my original reasoning. I started to believe it would be possible for pirate to pay back (perhaps) and I got out of control. Once I realized that there was no turning back, that's when everyone noticed a bizarre change in my attitude. I'm not proud of it, I've had to do some serious thinking about my life, my personality, my attitude and what I'm even doing here, but I came to the conclusion that I was overworked, in a position of trust disproportionate to my level of maturity and responsibilities, and I quickly screwed it up. The whole "not keeping my word" part was because I honestly had no idea how to go about it. No one is sitting on that amount of money and I didn't stick to one side, as I said, I flip flipped in my own mind and I believe that that is the most serious part of my mistake. As others have mentioned, if I would have kept just being a dick it might have been openly accepted as a prank, but I didn't have the sense to do that and as people have noted, I was tempted to try and make that situation into something that would also help my then poor financial situation. It was stupid of me, it was dishonest, it was something I'm not proud of, and it's a situation I won't let myself get into again.

I was raised a Christian and still have many of those same values in my life. I believe in sharing, I believe in forgiveness and I believe in making right on things you have done wrong. In my heart I knew I had to make things right once I learned of the magnitude of my mistake, but I was embarrassed and scared and didn't know how to clean up the large mess I made, as it was then something I could no longer control. This doesn't mean I'm a scammer, that I spend my nights and days looking for ways to cheat people for easy money, or that I am unfit for society. I work hard and always have, and I my anxiousness to be a part of something and lead (overzealousness?) is also misinterpreted as a sign of a scammer by some. It most certainly does mean that I did not put enough thought into my actions, that I was tempted with greed, and that I failed that temptation along with failing to understand the consequences of my actions beforehand. Looking back it seems so simple what I did and how it was so wrong. I just wish I would have had the sense to have steered clear when everyone was warning me at the time. I feel so stupid.

In short, the "lesson" was originally that people shouldn't trust others when they make outrageous claims and put nothing behind it. I let it go to far and changed the nature of the bet by flip-flopping and that is where I ruined myself. I understand that, I'm sorry for that, and now I am trying to make amends for that.

scammer tag doesn't seem to mean much.

even after the tag was applied matt is still trustworthy... made good on a few BTC/KRW trades.

+1

FYPFY

I'd have to agree. The situation grossly mismatched my maturity and professionalism and I feel bad about it. You could argue that for this level of involvement I was untrustworthy and although I intended on being exactly that in a comical way, it turned into a reality. That said, I am here now to make amends for my bad behavior and I know it's a bit soon, but as hard is it is to tackle this, I hope that that my efforts to make amends will help paint a more detailed picture of my character and not just the mistakes I made.

I agree, I have no doubt that if Pirate paid up that the debt would have been due and that the counter parties had intention to pay if their bet was lost. 

He has some real attention seeking psychological problems.  He has left the forums a few months because of his trolling before just to crawl back later with all these apologizes.    It is like an abusive spouse that beats his wife and comes back later all sorry just to beat her again.  The best way to confront a person like this is called tactical ignoring (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_ignoring).

I have received dozens of emails to a different tone actually. "I assumed you were just trolling", "Why are you bothering to pay anyone back? They deserve to have lost something", and other emails to that nature. The fact that I'm here to resolve things despite the repeated advice (read: Rassah) I've received to do the contrary should read in to my true intentions here. I do feel bad for what happened and I hope I can make things right again in time.

FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If he would have won the bet with all that insider information he had, you better bet your nuts he would have made every single person pay, with non payers receiving a swift scammer tag or ban. He would have became a millionaire over night, if Pirate would have opened operations back up "like expected". If this type of behavior doesn't warrant for a scammer tag I don't know WHAT DOES.....

$1,000,000+ Thats how much you owe MNW. Every second you spend on here interest builds up and that spot price increases (making it even more impossible to pay back the debt). If I was Matthews lawyer, I'd be telling him to shut up right about now....

No!!! Please, no!! Not the cock thread! Anything but the cock thread. I'll do anything. ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136167.0)

Guys please do not forget was behind the bitcoinica ilegal sale and received donations from Zhoutong. Also, asked us many many times for a 15 K BTc investment for the piece pf shit ellet. Then, his creepy videos.. this idiot is fucking sick. Now he tries to speak with the humble tone.. Honestly dude, evaporate.


MNW = Trash

Just look at his youtube channel.. you'll see what I mean.

Maria.

I've never had any more information than anyone else had. I did lose control though and I'm ashamed of the whole situation.

The people whom I bet with tell a much different story.


I have lied many times in my life, can't say I've ever sucked a cock. Not sure where you're going with this. Are you saying that all homosexuals are scammers? Were you scammed by a homosexual?

The only person behind the sale was Zhoutong. Many people on Skype and IRC have tried to give ZhouTong advice on how to do things in a fair, legal, and transparent fashion. He made some mistakes (he is 17 remember?) too but it would be disingenuous to say that anyone other than Zhoutong and the Intersango crew were "behind" any sale.

Bitcoin 100 probably also received donations from Zhou Tong. I'm not sure where you're going with this.

what'd he do wrong

As someone who had an extremely large stake in Matthews bet, the whole thing was obviously bullshit from the start (and I was very vocal about the fact that I didn't think he would pay out a dime).  In fact, I cleared him of any responsibility to my debt in responce to a PM he sent me last week.

I mean, on a personal level, I dont really care for Matthew....I think he is an impulsive attention hog, but I think he is harmless for the most part. He deserves the scammer tag (as it was a condition of his bet) and general shaming from the community (which he has and will continue to recieve), but beyond that, I could care less.

There's a nugget in the above that may influence my current position as it pertains to the tag, but not necessarily Matthew in general. I somewhat recall that (see bold), but would like to see the quote if somebody is so inclined to provide it for me.

Here ya go, Phin...the original bet post (scammer tag condition bolded in red):

I'm all prepared to forgive MNW but for it to happen he must bow before me or kneel before me and say the following:

" You Bbit are the ultimate troll and a much better troll then I am...."

If this deed is done I'll look the other way... ;D

The conflict between these two statements should be readily apparent.

...and it must be vocalized with an italic accent, otherwise--zip.

Thanks for the quote, evolve. It was easier found than I thought. I was assuming it was in some subsequent post within the bet thread.

Sorry, Matthew, but given that, I don't see the tag being removed any time soon, though I do see it gone even if 100% restitution is not achieved. Keep working the angles you're currently pursuing, and I'm sure by the beginning of 2014 this unfortunate episode will be behind us/you.

Now, about my irony post: http://betsofbitco.in/ Who's on it?