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Title: US traders no longer legally can trade bitcoin futures anywhere! Bad news
Post by: bitcoinmarkets on February 23, 2016, 10:56:13 AM
The bitcoin derivatives space is getting bigger and more professional. Despite regulatory inertia there's a lot of work going into building up the industry.

The guys at CryptoFacilities (http://www.crypto-facilities.com) especially have a lot of exciting stuff in the works, but the regulatory environment in the US is only hurting them and bitcoin in general.

Here's some highlights of updates they just sent out in email to all customers:
  • Margin Netting Introduced
  • US Traders BANNED due to regulatory issues
  • Engine updates for faster order Matching
  • Free insured blockchain settlement with Elliptic
  • Analytics and TradingView integration


The most disappointing that sticks out is that the US regulators will stop at nothing to prevent bitcoin users in their country from using reliably exchanges like CryptoFacilities (http://www.crypto-facilities.com). There is now no longer any bitcoin derivatives exchanges that Americans can legally trade on

Read more and see the full screenshot of the newsletter and full text of the newsletter: http://www.bitcoinfuturesguide.com/bitcoin-blog/news-updates-from-fca-regulated-bitcoin-derivatives-exchange-cryptofacilities-us-traders-banned-insured-block-chain-settlement-free-more


Title: Re: US traders no longer legally can trade bitcoin futures anywhere! Bad news
Post by: cooldgamer on February 23, 2016, 08:33:56 PM
It's truly sad that innovation and regulation have such a hard time getting along with each other... here is a potential trading platform that can eliminate deposit fees and make trading instant, yet making it so hard to operate in the US is hurting everybody involved while making money for the big banks involved.

Maybe once the laws are more clear we'll see more crypto businesses working in the US, but we need to relax the red tape involved with getting registered to make that happen... keeping it to the big banks and companies that can lobby our government is a pretty shitty way to do things.


Title: Re: US traders no longer legally can trade bitcoin futures anywhere! Bad news
Post by: NUFCrichard on February 23, 2016, 09:01:54 PM
The bitcoin derivatives space is getting bigger and more professional. Despite regulatory inertia there's a lot of work going into building up the industry.

The guys at CryptoFacilities (http://www.crypto-facilities.com) especially have a lot of exciting stuff in the works, but the regulatory environment in the US is only hurting them and bitcoin in general.

Here's some highlights of updates they just sent out in email to all customers:
  • Margin Netting Introduced
  • US Traders BANNED due to regulatory issues
  • Engine updates for faster order Matching
  • Free insured blockchain settlement with Elliptic
  • Analytics and TradingView integration


The most disappointing that sticks out is that the US regulators will stop at nothing to prevent bitcoin users in their country from using reliably exchanges like CryptoFacilities (http://www.crypto-facilities.com). There is now no longer any bitcoin derivatives exchanges that Americans can legally trade on

Read more and see the full screenshot of the newsletter and full text of the newsletter: http://www.bitcoinfuturesguide.com/bitcoin-blog/news-updates-from-fca-regulated-bitcoin-derivatives-exchange-cryptofacilities-us-traders-banned-insured-block-chain-settlement-free-more

I don't think that it is so bitcoin specific, the US government seems to want to stop or restrict movement of money generally.
The goal seems to be a cashless society, which could be bitcoin, but they won't let that happen unless they can control bitcoin.  That means we are headed to a 100% online bank led monetary system, where they can track everything you spend and receive.

They banned all sorts of exchanges in the past, they don't even allow online gambling (officially), this just seems like another step towards the nanny state taking over.


Title: Re: US traders no longer legally can trade bitcoin futures anywhere! Bad news
Post by: Pab on February 24, 2016, 12:27:15 AM
Derivative is shit it is good for btc to  stay away,price will be more stable without btc derivatives market
Now USA try to limit derivatives but it is to late


Title: Re: US traders no longer legally can trade bitcoin futures anywhere! Bad news
Post by: BellaBitBit on February 24, 2016, 01:20:20 AM
It's truly sad that innovation and regulation have such a hard time getting along with each other... here is a potential trading platform that can eliminate deposit fees and make trading instant, yet making it so hard to operate in the US is hurting everybody involved while making money for the big banks involved.

Maybe once the laws are more clear we'll see more crypto businesses working in the US, but we need to relax the red tape involved with getting registered to make that happen... keeping it to the big banks and companies that can lobby our government is a pretty shitty way to do things.

Indeed sad.  Innovation usually prevails.  I am not surprised that all is being done to suppress and attempt to regulate bitcoin.


Title: Re: US traders no longer legally can trade bitcoin futures anywhere! Bad news
Post by: Pitchblackroom on February 24, 2016, 04:35:51 AM
It's truly sad that innovation and regulation have such a hard time getting along with each other... here is a potential trading platform that can eliminate deposit fees and make trading instant, yet making it so hard to operate in the US is hurting everybody involved while making money for the big banks involved.

Maybe once the laws are more clear we'll see more crypto businesses working in the US, but we need to relax the red tape involved with getting registered to make that happen... keeping it to the big banks and companies that can lobby our government is a pretty shitty way to do things.

Indeed sad.  Innovation usually prevails.  I am not surprised that all is being done to suppress and attempt to regulate bitcoin.

Bitcoin is really something that is new and the laws behind trading it are not well developed so I completely understand their actions


Title: Re: US traders no longer legally can trade bitcoin futures anywhere! Bad news
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on February 24, 2016, 04:39:28 AM
I'm all for free markets--really I am--but bitcoin can survive and thrive without derivatives.  So can the stock market, so can all markets.


Title: Re: US traders no longer legally can trade bitcoin futures anywhere! Bad news
Post by: Yakamoto on February 24, 2016, 04:52:31 AM
I'm all for free markets--really I am--but bitcoin can survive and thrive without derivatives.  So can the stock market, so can all markets.
Derivatives and futures are probably one of the worst things that can come to Bitcoin. They will end up creating so much inflated value, and if you saw that infographic about the value of different economic sections, you'll see derivatives being a massive chunk of all the wealth in the world, worth probably a good 2 times more than the rest of the wealth combined.


Title: Re: US traders no longer legally can trade bitcoin futures anywhere! Bad news
Post by: SFR10 on February 24, 2016, 09:21:38 AM
I notice this the other day as well and to be honest, I was expecting the exact outcome, specially after the recent criminal activity that took place in US, this is surely the governments way of shooting a target with one arrow and now what they did was to restrict completely with a reason of what happened recently and at the same time, get what they want, "CONTROL".


Title: Re: US traders no longer legally can trade bitcoin futures anywhere! Bad news
Post by: EdenHazard on March 02, 2016, 07:54:31 AM
The bitcoin derivatives space is getting bigger and more professional. Despite regulatory inertia there's a lot of work going into building up the industry.

The guys at CryptoFacilities (http://www.crypto-facilities.com) especially have a lot of exciting stuff in the works, but the regulatory environment in the US is only hurting them and bitcoin in general.

Here's some highlights of updates they just sent out in email to all customers:
  • Margin Netting Introduced
  • US Traders BANNED due to regulatory issues
  • Engine updates for faster order Matching
  • Free insured blockchain settlement with Elliptic
  • Analytics and TradingView integration


The most disappointing that sticks out is that the US regulators will stop at nothing to prevent bitcoin users in their country from using reliably exchanges like CryptoFacilities (http://www.crypto-facilities.com). There is now no longer any bitcoin derivatives exchanges that Americans can legally trade on

Read more and see the full screenshot of the newsletter and full text of the newsletter: http://www.bitcoinfuturesguide.com/bitcoin-blog/news-updates-from-fca-regulated-bitcoin-derivatives-exchange-cryptofacilities-us-traders-banned-insured-block-chain-settlement-free-more
why this is happen?because US traders have no control of amount?or this is because they have no tax for bitcoins? but i'm sure this is will not stop US traders for trading.


Title: Re: US traders no longer legally can trade bitcoin futures anywhere! Bad news
Post by: shintosai on March 02, 2016, 08:01:08 AM
The bitcoin derivatives space is getting bigger and more professional. Despite regulatory inertia there's a lot of work going into building up the industry.

The guys at CryptoFacilities (http://www.crypto-facilities.com) especially have a lot of exciting stuff in the works, but the regulatory environment in the US is only hurting them and bitcoin in general.

Here's some highlights of updates they just sent out in email to all customers:
  • Margin Netting Introduced
  • US Traders BANNED due to regulatory issues
  • Engine updates for faster order Matching
  • Free insured blockchain settlement with Elliptic
  • Analytics and TradingView integration


The most disappointing that sticks out is that the US regulators will stop at nothing to prevent bitcoin users in their country from using reliably exchanges like CryptoFacilities (http://www.crypto-facilities.com). There is now no longer any bitcoin derivatives exchanges that Americans can legally trade on

Read more and see the full screenshot of the newsletter and full text of the newsletter: http://www.bitcoinfuturesguide.com/bitcoin-blog/news-updates-from-fca-regulated-bitcoin-derivatives-exchange-cryptofacilities-us-traders-banned-insured-block-chain-settlement-free-more
bad news for bitcoin traders but if this one will make an impact, I hope this one will only be temporary and will be reverse in due times bitcoin will be more recognize in the near future trading might be much easier, and many traders will not be stop to continue trading bitcoin.


Title: Re: US traders no longer legally can trade bitcoin futures anywhere! Bad news
Post by: botany on March 02, 2016, 02:49:48 PM
Forget bitcoin exchanges, American citizens / residents can face difficulties in opening bank accounts, because of the cumbersome compliance to regulations it involves. Banks would rather forego such business, rather than spend money on compliance.


Title: Re: US traders no longer legally can trade bitcoin futures anywhere! Bad news
Post by: spazzdla on March 02, 2016, 02:51:54 PM
The bitcoin derivatives space is getting bigger and more professional. Despite regulatory inertia there's a lot of work going into building up the industry.

The guys at CryptoFacilities (http://www.crypto-facilities.com) especially have a lot of exciting stuff in the works, but the regulatory environment in the US is only hurting them and bitcoin in general.

Here's some highlights of updates they just sent out in email to all customers:
  • Margin Netting Introduced
  • US Traders BANNED due to regulatory issues
  • Engine updates for faster order Matching
  • Free insured blockchain settlement with Elliptic
  • Analytics and TradingView integration


The most disappointing that sticks out is that the US regulators will stop at nothing to prevent bitcoin users in their country from using reliably exchanges like CryptoFacilities (http://www.crypto-facilities.com). There is now no longer any bitcoin derivatives exchanges that Americans can legally trade on

Read more and see the full screenshot of the newsletter and full text of the newsletter: http://www.bitcoinfuturesguide.com/bitcoin-blog/news-updates-from-fca-regulated-bitcoin-derivatives-exchange-cryptofacilities-us-traders-banned-insured-block-chain-settlement-free-more

I don't think that it is so bitcoin specific, the US government seems to want to stop or restrict movement of money generally.
The goal seems to be a cashless society, which could be bitcoin, but they won't let that happen unless they can control bitcoin.  That means we are headed to a 100% online bank led monetary system, where they can track everything you spend and receive.

They banned all sorts of exchanges in the past, they don't even allow online gambling (officially), this just seems like another step towards the nanny state taking over.



This guy gets it... alas.. .this is really bad.  All transactions will need to be approved by your King or Queen. (President but that term is a joke now a days)


Title: Re: US traders no longer legally can trade bitcoin futures anywhere! Bad news
Post by: STT on March 03, 2016, 12:23:19 AM
Derivatives as twice the wealth of the world would not make much sense.   It does appear large but its like insurance, the headline figure is not actually used as the event does not occur (every year).    It should make markets more even, such as a farmer able to sell his crop early.  That is an option tradable by others on a future harvest with an unknown price but its useful

I read bitcoin can be held as an ETF now, is this just one options site excluded as it was not official sanctioned.  Its probably more that they dont want business lost out of their centralised system, the ETF probably paid alot of fees and is traded within their governance


Title: Re: US traders no longer legally can trade bitcoin futures anywhere! Bad news
Post by: Persiville on April 05, 2016, 04:10:58 PM
Derivative is shit it is good for btc to  stay away,price will be more stable without btc derivatives market
Now USA try to limit derivatives but it is to late

I think the derivative could be good if used properly. It can be used to protect one's investment. But it is usually abused.


Title: Re: US traders no longer legally can trade bitcoin futures anywhere! Bad news
Post by: bitbunnny on April 05, 2016, 05:32:04 PM
For now Europe is fortunately still not going in that direction butw maybe it's just matter of time and that is not good. Free Bitcoin market for everyone!


Title: Re: US traders no longer legally can trade bitcoin futures anywhere! Bad news
Post by: n691309 on April 05, 2016, 05:34:28 PM
I think that there are many reasons why they banned trading bitcoin in US, maybe because people's interest was dropping from banks, and moving to bitcoin was very bad for banks, hope this will not affect the bitcoin price too much.


Title: Re: US traders no longer legally can trade bitcoin futures anywhere! Bad news
Post by: mrhelpful on April 05, 2016, 06:07:26 PM
Sounds like the typical govt dick move.

If we cant control the bitcoin thing metality, I guess we can do all our powers to kill their services..

This really sucks.. I guess this can falter the price before the halving even beings..


Title: Re: US traders no longer legally can trade bitcoin futures anywhere! Bad news
Post by: calkob on April 05, 2016, 06:13:13 PM
This is great news for most of the rest of the world, as the US clamps down on bitcoin it only helps to drive business and innovation over seas...... keep it up ...lol


Title: Re: US traders no longer legally can trade bitcoin futures anywhere! Bad news
Post by: plost24 on April 05, 2016, 06:38:47 PM
they want to control everythink  >:( but bitcoin will continu to raise there is no problem with that they will end accepting bitcoin .
but let us see if that will have an effect in bitcoin price. and how much numbre of user will give up in this journey.