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I know it may sound crazy, but given the fact that Vitalik is one the most smartest programmers in which he created the Ethereum platform himself (also with a very complex system) it makes me think whenever Vitalik may be Satoshi or not?

Please make your vote from the poll above, and share your opinion about it.  :)

VB -> born 1994. BTC -> white paper 2008.
Would have been age 14 FYI

That is true. But considering that he is very smart at just 22 years of age (based on calculations from this year) I think that he might knew something at just 14 years of age don't you think?  ::)

Yea this may prove OP's theory completely wrong. And In my opinion Satoshi Nakamoto sound a name for old man don't you think? lol

Maybe, but doesnt make sence he reveal his identity with altcoin development, when he could do the same with Bitcoin and stay in lead development of Bitcoin. For this alone I say not likely.

Although the not perfect (honed) programing skills Satoshi had might suggest inexperiened programmer at young age, but some senior experienced programmers have lower standards in code readibility / test methods at older age as well (its their nature).

making a blockchain from scratch is not anything magical.(anymore)

there are many ways to do it and many programming languages to do it with,

for instance before the 1960s there used to be a legend that if anyone ran 100 metres in under 10 seconds. their lungs would explode.
then in 1968 it was proven wrong when people started to achieve it.

and now its common place for athletes to run under 10 seconds.

so does that make linford christy the same person that broke the 10second barrier in 1968? nope.

in short once people know the impossible (decentralized money) is actually possible, and learn how it done. then the magic fades and it becomes common place.
some people may take shortcuts (scriptkiddy pump'n'dump coins) and some people start from scratch. but that in itself is no evidence at all that the the newest person is the original person

What part of "is one the most smartest programmers in which he created the Ethereum platform himself" in the OP confused you? If you check VB's BD you'll learnt that he started working on SN's WP when he was 1101.

my vote for maybe because till now i was wondering who is Satoshi Nakamoto does he really exist in this world or not
and if he really existed i think he the most mysterious person in this world because nobody can proof that who is he

I could be completely wrong as you might say, but I was just stating the possibility of whenever this could be true or not. As for the Satoshi Nakamoto name, it could be either a person or a group of people. Or maybe Nakamoto is a girl?  ::)

OP you can't be serious.
2008 when Satoshi published the Bitcoin white paper Buterin has hardly reached puberty. :D
So no he is not Satoshi.Never ever!

Lol. So about my theory of Nakamoto being a girl, do you think it could be a possibility of doing so? Perhaps, she is a very smart programmer which tries to hide under a male name (Satoshi Nakamoto).  ::)

A girl really.. interesting theory lol but hight unlikely to be true. Just doesn't sound right I mean why would a girl use a male alias.

Satoshi Nakamoto wanted an online currency with fundamentals opposite to the current world financial system.
Satoshi Nakamoto programmed BTC to be a scarce coin for payment transfers, which has speculative properties.
BTC coin cap is 21 million and current supply is 15 million, over 7+ years.

Vitalik Buterin created an online contracting system with fundamentals consistent with the current world financial system.
Vitalik Buterin programmed ETH to be a non-scarce token to execute contracts, which has no speculative properties.
ETH coin cap is unlimited and current supply is 77 million, over 6+ months.


Both are two different concepts and are the creations of two different ways of looking at life.

ETH dev cant be the Legendary Satoshi Nakamoto. Common!  ::)

It's not unlikely as most people think, but I doubt that he is in the top 100 list of geniuses in the world. Here is a list of some of the legendary geniuses, http://www.wonderslist.com/10-genius-child-prodigies-world/

ETH is not that revolutionary as most ETH pumpers make it out to be... and many did the same with other Alt coins, like Ripple and Dash. Let's just accept the fact that Satoshi were the original

innovator and the others just copy cats.  ::)

To claim anonymity and to confuse potential researchers, media and keyboard detectives? It is alias good as any other.
Then why people are using pseudonyms, a pen names or nick names in the first place?

Personally I don't think Vitalik is Satoshi if that is the case he could easily reveal himself and claim that Ethereum is better version of his previous creation and Bitcoin 2.0

if we knew the Kanji Japanese characters used to compound and form 'Satoshi Nakamoto' we might be able to decode the meaning of the name as a starting point to identify the person or persons behind bitcoin. I've always assumed it was a cryptic name puzzle to be solve and is not a real person (although it can exist as a real name in Japan). I've only ever seen to written in Roman script. Has it ever been written in Kanji?

sa = 'little'?
to = ?
shi = 'new'?

naka = 'middle'?
moto = 'origin'?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/8a/Coral_Nebula_Aelita_Andre.jpg/800px-Coral_Nebula_Aelita_Andre.jpg

#5 on the list - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aelita_Andre - snuck into Satoshi Roundtable last weekend, hiding under a table. She remembered everything that transpired, later painting an accurate depiction of the proceedings.

No, definitely not!

The Bitcoin core software was not written overnight, therefore he would have to start already one or two years earlier at the age of 12 or 13. Impossible from my point of view.

Stop this stuff about Vitalik and Ethereum already.

Yes he made a nice platform and yes he did a good marketing campaign, but he would not have been able to do this without bitcoin gaining the traction it did. It is disrespecting satoshi to even suggest this.

The age is probably the number one reason why this would not be possible. Not because of the code, but because of the way he was communicating, that is not how a 14 year old communicates.

It would appear so indeed. Taking in consideration, everything I have seen about it I think my theory is nothing more than pure speculation. If Vitalik is not Satoshi, then it could be someone else out there (probably a very experienced programmer or a multimillionaire person with very good skills) But I wouldn't care much about who or whom Satoshi could be. The most important thing is that he created Bitcoin and the block chain.  :D

You are right when Satoshi is one person. If Satoshi is two or more persons then Vitalik definietly deserves more respect then Satoshi.

Do not get me wrong. I do not want to rate whom is better or greater, I just refer to your post.

various state intelligence agencies know who Satoshi Nakamoto is.

Went are we still trying to find out who satoshi is. He wants to keep his identity secret, can't we just let him do that?

Of course, and they purged him and buried him somewhere in the sea like Bin Laden so that no crypto enthusiast could make a pilgrimage to his grave  ;)

I'd say it's pretty much impossible, no way that a 14 year old could write something so complex as the Bitcoin whitepaper.

Well maybe I exaggerated a little bit, but there could exist the possibility of someone to become knowledgeable at an earlier age. Anyways, so far the winning votes are "NO" so that means it Vitalik could not be Satoshi in none ways. There are many theories about who Satoshi may be, but I think it may not be that important to know who he or she is.  :)

Actually, you got a point there. Other than being able to verify everything via the blockchain, you can also see what is happening with the ETH Foundation as well as detailed info about the founder (Vitalik) which makes it more transparent with Bitcoin. I guess, that Ethereum would make it a safer investment in my opinion.  :)

P.S. Voting has been closed. The winning answer is no.

Questionable. Maybe some know but not a lot. Satoshi was very serious about Anonymity.
Even the most powerful nations have a "Most Wanted" list of people that they cannot find.
Anyway, Satoshi is not wanted.  ::)

Im very interesting with this people, Vitalik Buterin
20years old but now he is millionare with Etherum project

but.. any chance ETherum will be next scamcoin? like paycoin? josh garza

analyses of bitcoin core code revealed that there maybe more than one person involved in creating the bitcoin. I think out of millions original bitcoin they mined, probably each person knows about half the private key.
I belive Satoshi is more than one person, definitely not a young kid.

in the film Bitcoin The rise and Rise of Bitcoin , i found this man introducing about bitcoin, the problem about bitcoin etc.
this man is awesome but im sure he is not satoshi nakamoto. my feeling says satoshi nakamoto now still watching bitcointalk forum, he is still active at here but he use new account.

be careful, some newbie is actually Satoshi. He is so cool, he never touch his coins. I admire him.

I vote either Arthur Britto or Nick Szabo - the most mysterious geniuses.

Hey guys what if Satoshi were a woman? Why does everyone assume that it's a man?  :D Are there no good female programmers?

Wouldn't it then be Satosha Nokamota?

gavin andreas sure satoshi is 1 person and he is a man .
i think satoshi nakamoto come from japan, i see japan is leading of bitcoin adoption.

Satoshi hates or most probably wants privacy while Witalik enjoys fame and must be thinking he's the most handsome guy in the world right now. That's the big difference. if satoshi were to make things opensource, he wouldn't want to partner with Microsoft, thats for sure.

No, no way Vitalik is Satoshi in my opinion.

Does he really know the real identity of Satoshi Nakamoto? How can we be sure he is just one man based on Gavin's words?

There is a team behind Ethereum and he didn't made it all alone.He might be the leader or the one with the idea but there is a difference when people work with a team behind them to backup and when they are independent developers clearing doubts online.

anyways,There is no suspect other than theymos himself to be the inventor of bitcoin.The "satoshi" is just drama IMO.

I am starting to think the same way as you mate. Based on my theory, I think that Satoshi could either be Gavin Andresen with Nick Scabo or theymos with Gavin and Nick, don't you think?  ::)

Anyways, what matters most is not who Satoshi is, but instead what he did (and that was Bitcoin with the Blockchain)

I don't think this Satoshi Nakamota fella is good for the BTC community. He's a freak with a ton of coin!!

a boy of 14 years old can't imagine all this project!
also he has at this age the ability to write a paper like "btc paper" :D so don't make me laugh ...
the ability of a full professor at 14 age is too much to ear :D

Those who know would not confirm his identity, time to move on with speculation until he chooses to reveal himself.. or not.

I think that is different "evolve" btc from create it... I think is not easy imagine all aspects related this coin.... make a clone is an easy step

What do you think it would happen if Satoshi reveals his identity? Perhaps, a lot of people would be after him asking a lot of questions about Bitcoin and the Blockchain, or maybe governments would be after him until he is caught in jail for good (maybe) So I think, that for the sake of Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies it is not best to know who Satoshi is.  :)

Never!
There is a huge generation gap between Vitalik Buterin and Satoshi Nakamoto

Also as far as I know Satoshi had already left the crypto scene and has died by now.

"We promote financial invitation"
"Jail the guy that created bitcoin!"

he won't be put in jail... but we would most certainly bombard him with questions comments and such

I don't think governments can jail the creator of a coin. Now, the creator of a currency exchange, that is another matter . . .

as far as I know Satoshi had already left the crypto scene and has died by now

what you read such things?
satoshi died?
mmm stop spread wasted news!!

He could have been, but it is just a really low chance that he is Satoshi. Someone at that age just couldn't be that smart.

I think that he is referring to Satoshi's loss of absence in the crypto world, in which you could say that he is "dead" by some time ago. In order to protect his identity, I think that he did a very smart move. If he would have been active all this time, I think he would have risked the chance of getting caught.  :)

yes but there are a big diff... between a people dead and an "absence/silent".
For what I know there are nothing "sure" at this moment...

maybe satosi can be jail with Tax fee, he must pay more than $100m . like last story about australian people claim he is satoshi nakamoto. this is make satoshi nakamoto still hiding from public.

i would think he would need to sell for USD to be subject to their tax laws.

are we getting taxed simply for holding assets these days?

The income from bitcoin mining  is the main reason for taxing, satoshi must pay some percent from his mining income, maybe goverment will accept bitcoin as payment of tax fee, then he sell his bitcoin in dark market or open auction to sell it.

When he mined 1 million btc it was only worth about a total of $100 at the time it was mined. Even if he was a U.S. citizen, he would only owe the IRS about $30. As long as he doesn't trade, no capital gains. No tax liability. No law broken. Instead of jail time, he would get a Nobel Prize.

true technically

I should know, I declared bankruptcy 4 times.

. . . is that you, Donald? . . .

Hey everyone, The Donald just showed up in the forum !! 

trump?  the Donald?

so vague. can you at least site a source as to which agencies know this?

Well, I'm not sure if he is but everyone could be Mr. Satoshi Nakamoto but that's all speculations because the guy or group of guys who are t he Satoshi Nakamoto have no plan to show their indentity for a very personal purpose.
But the only thing I think for now that Mr. Satoshi Nakamoto either one person or an organization group are involved with some Crypto-Currencies today.
Mr. Vilatik or someone else, but some ICOs or any Crypto-Currencies today is being managed by that person or persons.

FAKE NEWS

It's not actually a fake news, those were speculations if Mr. Vitalik is the Mr. Satoshi Nakamoto because one of the criteria of being Mr. Satoshi Nakamoto is the one who is able to develop Crypto-Currency Blockchain.

Satoshi Nakamoto CIA agent :) And he Vitalik just a smart person.

No one can figure out which and who is Mr. Satoshi Nakamoto is except himself and someone around him while developing Blockchain back a decade ago.
Mr. Satoshi Nakamoto is a very smart and a genius person and so is Mr. Vitalik Buterin.
In my personal opinion, I believe that one of the developers of new Cyrpto-Currencies today is Mr. Satoshi Nakamoto's involvement.
He don't want to expose his real identity for personal reasons for the security of himself and the closest people around him.

Totally agree with you, mate. Nakamoto is a genius as it provided us a revolutionary technology that it's bound to change our society for the better. If he wouldn’t have invented Bitcoin in the first place, we wouldn’t have the freedom to transact with other people without the need for middlemen. So, Nakamoto as well as Buterin have invented quite useful applications that will help us advance economically in the future.

Of course, no one knows Nakamoto's identity, but it's best for it to be that way for the sake of Bitcoin and blockchain technology. It's been quite some time since we don't see Nakamoto active in the community, but the most important thing is that all of us have made Bitcoin better than ever over the course of years. In this sense, it is safe to say that we are all Satoshi Nakamoto. Just my opinion :)

Such statement has no point. Vitalik Buterin is 23 year old, so in 2009 he just turned 15. So first of all he was too young to create such thing like bitcoin. Secondly, he's a public person already, so there is no reason to be fake Mr. Nakamoto. Finally, he created Ethereum, more innovative platform than bitcoin.

no he can not be satoshi nakamoto

If so, why would he show up for the ethereum and hide for bitcoin?

Yes,  he was very young to came up the Crypto-Currencies idea after Lehman's brothers collapsed.

There are a lot of smart programmers in the world. Why did you decide that Vitalik? And in 2008 he was 14 years old.

As many said, due to his age I do not think, that Vitalik can be Satoshi. When you read the original BTC whitepaper, you can see, that the author must have a lot of experience and knowledge about financial systems. He chooses his words very carefully and wisely with views back to the past and into the future.

If Vitalik Buterin was actually Satoshi, he would be integrating standard smart contracts like the the ones on the Ethereum platform along with Bitcoin instead of creating a new coin itself. This would've made it a digital superpower with nothing in its way.


Makes no sense for a kid just 14 years old to innovate such high level stuff, possessing deep knowledge of math as written in the white paper. Even a whiz kid wouldn't be able to pull this off.

You do have a point there, mate. I wouldn't make sense to show up for Ethereum and hide for Bitcoin. Given that Buterin has been very young during the inception of Bitcoin in 2009, it would've been impossible for him to develop the pioneer cryptocurrency in the first place. Perhaps, he may not be Satoshi but he may have worked with him or known him at some point in time.

Since Bitcoin gathers many complex subjects such as cryptography, distributed computing, and the blockchain, I think that Nakamoto would've been a group of people instead of a single person working on the development of Bitcoin. All that matters now is that Satoshi has left us with the opportunity to transact freely without third party intervention in a safe and secure way. This revolutionary technology gives autonomy to money as we know it, and will greatly change our society for the better.

Whenever it is Bitcoin, or Ethereum, they're both great inventions that will have their real-world use cases in the mainstream world. Just my opinion :)

no, Vitalik talked to Satoshi many years ago, they are different people.
Satoshi was impressed by Vitalik, saw promise, it was well placed.

Both Bitcoin and Ethereum are testing different parameters.
Bitcoins ultra secure
Ethereum is testing contract logic and the general skill of programmers... this one is going to be tough.

satoshi nakamoto is just a pseudonym (based on my perception)
i think satoshi nakamoto is composed of genius people . not just one
no one can pull an incredible stunt alone im telling you :)
so my answer is no

Of course Vitalik Buterin is Satoshi Nakamoto, but you forget to mention that they are also both James Bond who in reality is actually Mickey Mouse. As you see, once you start with fantasies, the sky is the limit ;)

Satoshi must have been designing bitcoin at least a year before the white paper release in 2008, so Buterin would have been no more than 13 by the time.

No, I do not think so. For me, Satoshi Nakamoto does not exist. It must be a company or a group of companies that have joined and created the BTC and not just a guy.

It is more likely that Mike Hearn is Satoshi than Buterin.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2146520.0

I'm guessing that it should be Hal Finney and he's the closest person to be Satoshi Nakamoto but he never claimed it.
This is what I'm also thinking, it's just a pseudonym for a group that wants to hide and remain anonymous.

Same. I think that Satoshi Nakamoto would've been a name for a group of people specialized in computer science, cryptography, distributed computing, and other fields. With all the complex subjects that blockchain technology involve, it would've been difficult for a single person to have come up with such a project. It would have taken years of experience and dedication to be able to come up with a new technology that would revolutionize finance.

While Vitalik may not be Nakamoto, he sure is smart and created another revolutionary cryptocurrency called Ethereum that is hitting the world by storm. Smart contracts, and decentralized applications will be the way of the future. As for Bitcoin, it is only a matter of time before the creators reveal their true identities or not. If identities become revealed, then it would greatly impact Bitcoin's value over the long term.

Nevertheless, all that matters is that Satoshi has introduced us a way to transact freely and gain control of our financial future. It will pave the way towards decentralized commerce, identity issuance, property registration, and more in a safe and secure way that has never been thought possible before. Just my opinion :)

Unlikely.

Vitalik Buterin was born in 1994, and the Bitcoin Whitepaper (which took years to build) was published in 2008, therefore he was 14 years old at the time.

Even though he's a great worker, no tween is going to spend their free time working on something like the Bitcoin protocol.

For further reading about the issue

https://pureweb3.blogspot.com/2022/04/could-vitalik-buterin-be-satoshi.html