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Title: Unlocking Cell Phones Becomes Illegal 1/26/2013 Post by: TECSHARE on January 25, 2013, 10:46:04 PM http://www.technewsdaily.com/16514-unlocking-cellphones-becomes-illegal.html
Title: Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Becomes Illegal 1/26/2013 Post by: SgtSpike on January 25, 2013, 11:05:29 PM What a stupid law. People should have the right to do whatever the fuck they like with the phone that they paid for. Isn't it because you sign a contract when you buy the phone at a steeply discounted price that says "Hey, I know you're giving me a fantastic deal on this phone, so for that reason, I'll keep it locked on your network"?Every single phone I've ever bought I've unlocked myself, this sure as hell isn't going to stop me from doing it again, in fact I'm going to make sure the next phone I buy is locked just so I can unlock it, its my phone for christ sake. This is completely ridiculous. This is the equivalent to selling paper and saying you can't draw a cat on it because the big man in the government said so. What is the world coming to. Simple solution is to not sign said contract and not buy a phone requiring one. I agree that it is silly, but people should learn not to sign silly contracts if they don't want to be held to their silly terms. Title: Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Becomes Illegal 1/26/2013 Post by: SgtSpike on January 25, 2013, 11:23:29 PM What a stupid law. People should have the right to do whatever the fuck they like with the phone that they paid for. Isn't it because you sign a contract when you buy the phone at a steeply discounted price that says "Hey, I know you're giving me a fantastic deal on this phone, so for that reason, I'll keep it locked on your network"?Every single phone I've ever bought I've unlocked myself, this sure as hell isn't going to stop me from doing it again, in fact I'm going to make sure the next phone I buy is locked just so I can unlock it, its my phone for christ sake. This is completely ridiculous. This is the equivalent to selling paper and saying you can't draw a cat on it because the big man in the government said so. What is the world coming to. Simple solution is to not sign said contract and not buy a phone requiring one. I agree that it is silly, but people should learn not to sign silly contracts if they don't want to be held to their silly terms. It's typically a two year contract. If the contract says that you may not unlock the phone during this time, there is no need for a law. I've not read the law, but if it goes above and beyond any contract, it's ridiculous. Isn't it because you sign a contract when you buy the phone at a steeply discounted price that says "Hey, I know you're giving me a fantastic deal on this phone, so for that reason, I'll keep it locked on your network"? Simple solution is to not sign said contract and not buy a phone requiring one. I agree that it is silly, but people should learn not to sign silly contracts if they don't want to be held to their silly terms. I've never signed any paperwork at all when buying a phone (we all use pay-as-you-go phones where I'm from). Anyways, I have the legal right to smash that phone up with a hammer, throw it in a fire or drop it down the toilet right after I buy it. Surely they should make this illegal as well, because that would prevent them from recouping the discounts they gave me on the phone. Also, I've yet to actually see any locked phone be cheaper than a sim-free phone. They're roughly the same price, but the networks get them in months/years before they become available sim-free. Maybe thats just the case where I'm from. Title: Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Becomes Illegal 1/26/2013 Post by: SgtSpike on January 25, 2013, 11:47:31 PM Interesting. It's vastly different in the US, where a locked iPhone (with contract) costs you $200, and an unlocked iPhone would cost $800. I haven't delved into the pay-as-you-go market here though, which might align more closely with what you see. Its the same here. A billpay iPhone 5 would cost around 100euro but you'd be stuck paying 50euro/mo for the next X years. One on pay-as-you-go would cost 600euro but 20euro's topup would last around 6-8 months, and you can topup with as little as 5euro & can still receive calls/texts when you have no credit (and make them using Skype ;) ). The phone companies have tried all sorts of marketing to try and get us Irish on billpay phones, it hasn't worked much. The only person I know who has a billpay phone is from the US. IMO I could never imagine having a "phone bill". That would suck soo much. What happens then when you lose/break your phone, I'd be pretty pissed off paying every month for a phone I don't even have. I think I might look into pay-as-you-go, or at the very least, non-contract phone plans come this October. We really don't use them all that much for phone, mostly just data. Title: Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Becomes Illegal 1/26/2013 Post by: nebulus on January 25, 2013, 11:51:10 PM And how exactly is "this law" enforceable?
Title: Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Becomes Illegal 1/26/2013 Post by: SgtSpike on January 25, 2013, 11:54:51 PM I dunno. I'd be just as pissed if I had just spend 600 euro on one and broke it. Either way, I'd have to replace it. Look at it this way: http://www.three.ie/online/shop/productDetail.aspx?src=p&p=voice&pid=1494&tariffType=contract iPhone 4S, you get it for free on a 61euro/mo plan for 24months, if you loose your phone, you have to pay 1464euro in total. http://www.three.ie/online/shop/ProductDetail.aspx?pid=1507&p=voice&tariffType=prepay&step=2&src=p&edt=0&itemId=0&dch=0 You buy it pay-as-you-go and it costs you 549euro once off. Not so bad if you loose it then, and the savings are pretty obvious. Title: Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Becomes Illegal 1/26/2013 Post by: Monster Tent on January 26, 2013, 12:11:51 AM And how exactly is "this law" enforceable? You cant buy a pre paid phone credits here without handing over ID. Title: Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Becomes Illegal 1/26/2013 Post by: nebulus on January 26, 2013, 12:17:40 AM And how exactly is "this law" enforceable? You cant buy a pre paid phone credits here without handing over ID. Sounds like a market opportunity for BTC. Title: Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Becomes Illegal 1/26/2013 Post by: Monster Tent on January 26, 2013, 12:24:36 AM You cant buy a pre paid phone credits here without handing over ID. REALLY? now that is crazy. You can buy them from literally any shop over here, no ID at all. My network has none of my personal details. I think the system the US phone networks use is rubbish, no way would anyone over here hand over personal details to a network (exception being billpay phones as thats basically a loan). Over here you can walk into any networks shop and ask for a sim card. They'll just hand you one, its free, no paperwork or ID. They give them out for free outside college campuses. Much better than the US system IMO. Yes you can buy top ups without ID but to actually get onto any network you cant get past the ID. Theres no way to actually access the system without government ID. Title: Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Becomes Illegal 1/26/2013 Post by: Littleshop on January 26, 2013, 12:29:03 AM What a stupid law. People should have the right to do whatever the fuck they like with the phone that they paid for. Isn't it because you sign a contract when you buy the phone at a steeply discounted price that says "Hey, I know you're giving me a fantastic deal on this phone, so for that reason, I'll keep it locked on your network"?Every single phone I've ever bought I've unlocked myself, this sure as hell isn't going to stop me from doing it again, in fact I'm going to make sure the next phone I buy is locked just so I can unlock it, its my phone for christ sake. This is completely ridiculous. This is the equivalent to selling paper and saying you can't draw a cat on it because the big man in the government said so. What is the world coming to. Simple solution is to not sign said contract and not buy a phone requiring one. I agree that it is silly, but people should learn not to sign silly contracts if they don't want to be held to their silly terms. It's typically a two year contract. If the contract says that you may not unlock the phone during this time, there is no need for a law. I've not read the law, but if it goes above and beyond any contract, it's ridiculous. Agreed. This shows how much power these companies have over the political system. They can already take you to court if you do not honor the contract. That should be enough. The government does not need to be involved unless there is a trial. Title: Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Becomes Illegal 1/26/2013 Post by: Monster Tent on January 26, 2013, 12:37:00 AM Yes you can buy top ups without ID but to actually get onto any network you cant get past the ID. Theres no way to actually access the system without government ID. Ah, so to buy a prepaid phone/sim card you need ID. Yeah I hope that never happens over here :) I wonder how drug-dealers get around this, I mean, once the police get a dealers phone number, they can then get the dealers name and address? Now you know why silk road is so popular. Drug dealers do what they always did and get a "cleanskin" to front the phone or simply buy a fake ID. As always laws only punish people doing the right thing and make it easier for criminals. The answer is black market reloaded and silk road. Title: Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Becomes Illegal 1/26/2013 Post by: Transisto on January 26, 2013, 05:19:15 AM No need for a law, This is only a lack of technical skill or cooperation between phone maker and carrier.
Try jailbreaking an iPhone 5... Title: Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Becomes Illegal 1/26/2013 Post by: cosmicone on January 26, 2013, 05:23:49 AM I'm guessing this is USA only?? Doesn't apply to most of the world luckily, but I doubt it will be long before we all fall in line... argh.
Title: Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Becomes Illegal 1/26/2013 Post by: sounds on January 26, 2013, 11:38:18 AM Personally it baffles me why anyone would want to pay AT&T, considering what they do to you.
Title: Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Becomes Illegal 1/26/2013 Post by: sounds on January 26, 2013, 12:05:11 PM My politically active ... friends ... don't use Apple products because of the lockdown. And it's too mainstream.
Title: Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Becomes Illegal 1/26/2013 Post by: sounds on January 26, 2013, 09:41:00 PM Good poll going on here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139033.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139033.0)
Title: Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Becomes Illegal 1/26/2013 Post by: World on January 26, 2013, 10:04:23 PM nice article couple of days ago
http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/21/behind-the-scenes-of-the-iphone-5-jailbreak/ (http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/21/behind-the-scenes-of-the-iphone-5-jailbreak/) Title: Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Becomes Illegal 1/26/2013 Post by: elektibi75 on September 26, 2013, 11:55:03 AM What a stupid law. People should have the right to do whatever the fuck they like with the phone that they paid for. Isn't it because you sign a contract when you buy the phone at a steeply discounted price that says "Hey, I know you're giving me a fantastic deal on this phone, so for that reason, I'll keep it locked on your network"?Every single phone I've ever bought I've unlocked myself, this sure as hell isn't going to stop me from doing it again, in fact I'm going to make sure the next phone I buy is locked just so I can unlock it, its my phone for christ sake. This is completely ridiculous. This is the equivalent to selling paper and saying you can't draw a cat on it because the big man in the government said so. What is the world coming to. Simple solution is to not sign said contract and not buy a phone requiring one. I agree that it is silly, but people should learn not to sign silly contracts if they don't want to be held to their silly terms. I completely agree!!! Title: Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Becomes Illegal 1/26/2013 Post by: Jennifer Smith on September 26, 2013, 04:38:26 PM I was looking at Chronic Unlocks (http://chronicunlocks.com/) for unlocking information and noticed they listed the iPhone 5S, which is obviously manufactured after the cutoff date. It must just be a United States thing, right?
Title: Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Becomes Illegal 1/26/2013 Post by: Spendulus on September 28, 2013, 01:30:07 AM Yes you can buy top ups without ID but to actually get onto any network you cant get past the ID. Theres no way to actually access the system without government ID. Ah, so to buy a prepaid phone/sim card you need ID. Yeah I hope that never happens over here.... I buy phones and sim cards off of Ebay. USA. I use rooted Android phone and prefer Samsung S3, 7500 mAh battery, 64gb microsd+16gb internal memory, on which I keep 2 copies of Wikipedia. Title: Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Becomes Illegal 1/26/2013 Post by: Hfleer on September 30, 2013, 04:47:56 AM Never really liked contracts so I avoid them, don't need a carrier to buy me a phone and then overcharg me for the service.
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Title: Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Becomes Illegal 1/26/2013 Post by: Nik1ab on November 11, 2013, 02:25:46 PM What a stupid law. People should have the right to do whatever the fuck they like with the phone that they paid for. Laws are always stupid.... That's why I don't give a shit about them.Every single phone I've ever bought I've unlocked myself, this sure as hell isn't going to stop me from doing it again, in fact I'm going to make sure the next phone I buy is locked just so I can unlock it, its my phone for christ sake. This is completely ridiculous. This is the equivalent to selling paper and saying you can't draw a cat on it because the big man in the government said so. What is the world coming to. Title: Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Becomes Illegal 1/26/2013 Post by: Spendulus on November 12, 2013, 02:05:53 AM What a stupid law. People should have the right to do whatever the fuck they like with the phone that they paid for. Laws are always stupid.... That's why I don't give a shit about them.Every single phone I've ever bought I've unlocked myself, this sure as hell isn't going to stop me from doing it again, in fact I'm going to make sure the next phone I buy is locked just so I can unlock it, its my phone for christ sake. This is completely ridiculous. This is the equivalent to selling paper and saying you can't draw a cat on it because the big man in the government said so. What is the world coming to. If you like your cell phone you can keep your cell phone. If you like your cell phone provider you can keep your cell phone provider. BWHAHAHAHA! Title: Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Becomes Illegal 1/26/2013 Post by: compro01 on November 12, 2013, 02:43:30 PM And how exactly is "this law" enforceable? Selectively, same as usual. Title: Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Becomes Illegal 1/26/2013 Post by: meeh on November 15, 2013, 06:14:29 PM USA, land of the free? :P
Title: Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Becomes Illegal 1/26/2013 Post by: Nik1ab on November 15, 2013, 09:13:16 PM USA, land of the free? :P More like land of the terrorists. ::)Title: Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Becomes Illegal 1/26/2013 Post by: lucaspm98 on November 15, 2013, 09:15:30 PM USA, land of the free? :P Those were the days...Title: Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Becomes Illegal 1/26/2013 Post by: meeh on November 15, 2013, 09:21:54 PM USA, land of the free? :P More like land of the terrorists. ::)Hahahaha! +1 to you both, you gave me a good laugh! Title: Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Becomes Illegal 1/26/2013 Post by: irpirate on November 15, 2013, 09:25:27 PM So locking the phone is completely legal while unlocking it is quite the opposite.
Seems legit ??? Title: Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Becomes Illegal 1/26/2013 Post by: RodeoX on November 15, 2013, 09:29:01 PM I haven't had a phone in my name in years. And I don't think I have ever had a locked phone. That is not going to change. ;)
I even tricked the phone company into having a land line under the name RodeoX. |