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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3473136/Bangladesh-considering-abandoning-Islam-official-religion-following-wake-extremist-attacks.html


Definitely a step in the right direction. Religion must have no place in the government. The news from the Islamic world is mixed. Once secular countries such as Turkey and Indonesia are rapidly becoming Islamized. And the only good news is coming from Bangladesh.

welcome to the civilised world

Secular countries are the most peaceful, that's a simple fact. It's a shame to see countries like Turkey fall further and further towards a religious based government, which actually goes against all the idea's of the founder of the country. Religion is so short sighted and only creates conflict.

I'm not sure if this is good decision.
If Bangladesh have serious issues with some radicals from Islam, they should stop and persecute this people, not criminalize and judge whole religion.
Can institution or religion as organization be responsible for individual acts of all Muslim people?
I don't think so.
Each person should be responsible for his own acts, not whole organization.

India is pushing them to be secular over a long time. But they are still 'considering'.

They did not say that they want to criminalize religions. They only should not be part of the goverment anymore.

Religions are a free choice that every individual can decide for themselfes.

That's all to it.

Surely radicals won't like that and attack.

Of course you would not want to criminalize religion.  People should be allowed to believe whatever bat shit crazy, bronze age story they want to believe in private.  But not in public.

Religion has no place in government and schools.

Over time, I think people hiring engineers and doctors would probably question their judgement and sanity when they profess that Earth is flat, that it is 7230 years old, or that there are flying horses.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHvxiQbQ37I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHvxiQbQ37I)

But the grip religion has on the society in most countries is truly incredible, so it will not happen overnight.

Intelligent, educated people around the world should speak out and expose the nonsense religion spouts out.

Exactly, what they're doing is just removing the religion from their politics, which is exactly how it should be, people who try to claim otherwise are just being deliberate pricks and are overreacting like when you say that a lot of Islamists have no problem with anti-semitism and seem to think persecuting homosexuals is okay.

Definitely a step in the right direction. However, I am afraid that it came too late for the minorities, especially the Hindus and the Buddhists. The Hindus have declined from 28% of the total population in 1941, to less than 8% by 2011. The Buddhists used to be the overwhelming majority in the Chittagong Hill Tracts until the 1970s. Now, they have been reduced to a minority.

I'll keep a wait and see attitude about that news.

Any country doing this is taking a step in the right direction.   Religion is a barbarous relic of humanity's ugly past.  Burn the churches too.

If they do this, and then prosecute Islamites who harm others, to the full extent of the law (execution when necessary) Bangladesh might even become free.

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Bangladesh has %89 muslim population. In spite of so big  population if you prune islamic leaders like Kameruzzaman, Nizami, Azzam (they are all older than 70 years old.  Azzam was 92 years old) you can't secure your regyme. But you may keep it alive temporarily. If a 90 years lld man is a treat for your regyme, anyway your regyme collapsed. There's humanity crime in Bangladesh

Indeed Banglades have a huge muslim majority and there will be surely some upheaval if the government trying to reform it as a secular state. Such action would be only good to make extremists show their hands in preparation for a showdown, but that surely going to be an ugly and bloody business.

To kill and torture never will give a gain to owner. Sow wind mow storm!

You Turks stay out of Bangladesh. That country was always secular, and will remain as one. I have met a few Bangladeshis, and they are very progressive people unlike the Saudis and the Turks who follow stone age rituals and beliefs. The Saudis are trying hard to inject their Wahhabi toxin, by opening new madrassas and indoctrination centers. But it is not going to work.

I have Bangladeshi friends more than you. Bangladesh people are also my brothers. Their suffer is mine. Who are you?
However you and enemy of freedom like you, if try prevent rise of islamic sun, you will not able to be successful. Your bloody age is over!
It seems very dark now but the darkest time is the nearest, time to dawn
Kill us
Torture us
Exile us
But near tomorrow you will see

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banglade%C5%A1:
 :P

I just hope they will really do that and prove they belong to free world. Having official religion belong to dark medieval age and it is really about time to end that once for all. Religion should be personal choice of every single person and religious practice one of basic human rights, but religion should stay out of politic.

Bangladesh is a common law nation. This means that - if the people realized it - they can individually require payment from anyone who harms them or murders their relatives... using government to do it.

Any question of government religion is there only to confuse the people. It has no meaning under common law. The only thing hat has meaning under common law is, did you harm your neighbor in your use of your freedom.

Government officials of Bangladesh know this. That's why they try to confuse the people. If the people knew how they have been screwed by government people in many ways, they would use government to individually demand repayment from the government person who harmed them... repayment in the form of some actual property... and maybe imprisonment or execution of the really bad government people.

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I can't understand!
People lost their coincience.
70-80 years old men were executed,  92 years old man jailed and died in dungeon but every body applauses!
Where's your commonsense?
What they did?
Are they serial killers?
Did they bombed somewhere?
Did they steal?
What!  What?
92 years old man died in jail
Why?
Because he is muslim
I don't believe

Are you sure that there is no big influence of religion on laws and politicians? In fact I think even western secular countries keep stupid religious rules.

For example the US. Many stupid laws are created because christians insist of it. Some schools even teach creationism, so that god created the mankind instead evolution was at work. Well, one could combine both things too somehow but still it is religion.

Or germany. There are religious days everony has free for work. Well, other religions members don't have that. They should be able to spend a similar amount of free days on their important religious days.

In fact there are christian days where it is forbidden for every german to dance... because christians might be offended. Well, pretty stupid that such laws still exist.

Religion should be something of the individual. It should not be allowed to force others to the rules of a religion.

Always is shown that the best solution of problems.
Always states are claiming loyalty to democracy.
It is always said that to make a own choice is democracy.
Whereas, democracy is insisted to people.
For example i wanna be governed by sharia and %80 of people want same. Isn't it democracy?
Or if we governed by Sharia, what is, bad?
Do you know who is afraid of Sharia?
If you are murderer, if you're adulterous, if you're thief, if you're terrorist you should be afraid.
Prejudice is the biggest obstacle front of truth.

In fact people are afraid of sharia that are not religious. Only because others think that an old book plus interpretations of various humans needs to lead to death for homosexuals then surely that is oppression.

You claim sharia is only for the bad. The problem is who defines who is bad.

Well, christian countries had the same problem. Only they overcame them and way more people now live a more free life free of fear.

Only because the majority is chosing to suppress the minority that thinks differently doesn't make it democratic.

According to Islam, world life is temporary and an examination. The real life is the life after death.
But you prepare your endless life in world. Therefore Allah, shows the way how to make yourself ready in world  for endless Hereafter life.
Shaia is a system which organize human life.
All rules are written in Quran and an Islamic council interpret and organise to current life.
Because every age has own new situation. Every country has own situation and according to situations laws and punishments may be flexible or softer.
For example sharia has "talion"  rule. This is Allah's order.
If you kill a man willfuly, you should know that you'll be executed by judgement.
Now i ask you. If one man kills your father or son willfuly, what do you do? Human nature wants to take revenge. Sharia takes your revenge instead of you.
If one man steals a bread there's no punishment in Sharia because he was hungry.
If he does, it as like a profession he will be punished from soft to hardest penalty. The hardest punishment is to cut his hand .
By the way a state governed by Sharia should provide employment to all citizens and tax, rate can't be, more than %5.
If one man can't work for any reason like sickness,  disability, etc., government should pay him salary for a living.
Every rules in Sharia have logical,  reasonable reason.
In Islamic belief Allah wants to manage and organise human's world life before endless Hereafter.
Allah banned some bad treatments and behaviours in Quran.
You will not drink alcohol, because alcohol is bad and harmful.
You will not make adultery,  because it is very bad and terminates family life.
You will not say lie.
You will not play gamble
You will not make gossip
You will not steal
You will not kill
You will not be greedy
You will not be stingy
How a religion can be bad which advices good and forbids bad?

Well, only because you and others believe so doesn't make it a fact you can proof. No one can proof. Otherwise everyone would believe in god.

Besides that... not everyone wants to throw away his life on here in the hope of some glimmer after dead. For a materialist person this is simply foolish. Believing that all will be good after the life. No proof at all.

It was pretty good in the christian wars. God will love you when you kill muslims. :D You surely agree that this is not a concept someone should follow.


A unreligious person would ask you why should he follow rules that are written in an old book coming from dark ages where people killed each other regularly? It is only a book for them. Religious people are giving it the meaning.

When you would be born a christian you would believe in the bible the same way you believe in the quran now. Because you learned it that way, checked it for yourself and believed.

So which book to follow? God said the bible is the book, god said the quran is the book. Logically either both books are right or wrong. If they are right then they contradict each other and there would be a right thing in both that match in the other. But many things would have to be discarded.


That should not be possible. If the quran is the word of god then there is no interpretation. The christians have it easier. They have the new testament and can say that this is the new deal with god. All the archaic things like stoning are part of the past deal.


So we have another rule in quran than in the bible. The bible says the way is to forgive and love. So both can't be truth.

What do you do when it's proven later that another man killed your father? Will you feel like a murderer too? You could have prevented it when that man still lives and can go free out of jail. Life can't be given back.


Sure, every rule can be explained. It only doesn't mean that you have to kill a man because he killed a man. It might have some logic but makes you the same the man is.


Well, as long as people are free to harm themselfes with bad things it would be more free. It's up to them. It should be a religious rule but as punishment secular rules should apply.

And sure, every religion claims to know the truth and wants the good. The IS wants the good too... on the outside. That's where their new terrorists come from. And yes, they can show them that they are right. In the quran. It's simpel to do such things. Still... it's nothing that should be done.

I'm pretty sure all the cruel rules of the quran for punishment could be spoken away with other bigger rules like love and such. It's all up for interpretation. And it's pretty sure that such interpretations exist.

So what is a religion when it is interpreted by man and can be interpreted different ways? It's a mess.

Relgion should be something a person can follow to have faith and be a better man. As long as he does not push his opinion on others. It's the same with harming. One can harm himself if he wishes but society should step in when he harms others. And religious people unfortunately sometimes tend to harm others. There are such persons in all religions.

I am pretty, sure that you know nothing about islam.
If you really would know, you couldn't hate so mich.
If you want to harm yourself by drinking or etc, you should do it out of society. In your house you can be a homosexual too. But you can't be a bad sample for society by doimg that front of them.

For those interested, I came across this really interesting interview and the guy explains exactly how Pakistan came to be and a bit about Bangladesh's history etc.

https://youtu.be/13tAAft2tJA?t=890


You're completely full of shit and that's not how things work in a secular society, you're just trying to force other people to live by your religion.

I don't try forcing anybody to live in my religion. Just i try, telling truth.
You lost your coincience. Lost your commonsense. I told you that they killed 90 years old man in jail. Why?  He was beloved person by muslim society. And you can easily claim that muslims hate people. Easily slandering, easily insulting.
You insult to me. Why?  Because i think different of you. You hate me and all muslims. And you can see right to say, everything to people you hate, so?

I hate people who try to force other people to live differently and lecture them just because they don't like their lifestyle, if you can't appreciate that, then you don't belong in a Democratic, secular society, there are thousands of other religions that get along just fine with this way of life yet people like you brazenly refuse to get along with others.

The only one filled with hate here are people like you acting as if anybody who doesn't live your way of life is automatically a bad person, you don't get to dictate how other people should behave in public, get it into your head and you certainly don't get to go around killing people or harassing them for disobeying your religion.

By the way, I love that you claim I'm full of hate when your religion is the one running around saying you should kill Jews, throw gays off rooftops or murder apostates.

You hate people who doesn't believe like you!
No matter their religion.
I am really sorry for you. You have no tolerance!
I don't hate you. I only pity you
By the way, why you use homosexuals word continuely? Are you gay?
You hate people who tells their opinions but not homosexuals who destroy family life and spread dissease.
As for me, you should check yourself first.
By the way my opinions were all individually opinions and don't include anybody.
They were my truth and nobody has to accept or decline.
I never insulted anybody

You just said you didn't insult anybody and then threw insults towards homosexuals in the same fucking post, you're completely delusional, I'm actually straight, but that doesn't matter, I will fight against Theocrats, Authoritarians and Fascists alike no matter where they try to rise or what rhetoric they try to hide behind.

I love hypocrites like you who have zero self-awareness, you make this so easy.

I only told truth about homosexuality. Didn't insult.
The basic cause of Hiv virus, is homosexual activities and adultery. Medical expers say that. Not me

Yeah, when you make assertions like that you're supposed to provide sources and I happen to know you're full of shit, by the way, this is why you use condoms and contraceptives in general, but oooo wait that's wrong in religion too.

No one is going to take you seriously if you talk about other people being hateful to you and then coming up with crap like that, you believe in stone age levels of bullshit.

If you continue insulting, i will report you to moderators.
According to your words, christianity and judaism are also stone age religion. Because christianity and judaism are older than islam. But you don't accept anyone. You believe that you'll be a shovel soil only and over.
Don't forget my those last words:  when you die, you will see the truth and you'll wish to be a shovel of soil.
I only pity you. You look but not see. You listen but not, hear.

ROFL!

Report me to the moderators! LOL! :D You don't know how this forum works do you? It's pretty much filled with Anarchists and Libertarians and run by them, we actually believe in free speech and expression here, you'll have a hard time getting me banned when these guys don't even care if someone is using the ISIS flag in their avatar. Holy shit you're funny, maybe if you actually brought up some decent points I wouldn't be mocking you so much but all you're doing is just spamming about how amazing you are and how evil everybody else who doesn't follow your religion is.

You really need to learn you can't just scream and cry when there are people out there in the world who disagree with you, you're clearly used to getting your own way by going around harassing people and claiming they hate muslims when you can't bring up any good arguments.

Free speech?
You understand insulting others by "free speech"?
You have no character and life experience. You only talk with your hearsay knowledges and narrow space cultural perception.
You may haven't met with a muslim. You haven't talk with him face to face. You didn't even try understanding their mind.
Only act with prejudiced manner.

Yes, free speech and expression means you can say whatever the fuck you want, get used to it. As for not having met any Muslims, you don't know me at all, my background or my personal life, you're just making up any old bullshit to try and turn people against me because you're a cunt who has no arguments against what I say.

Why don't you stay at the luxurous holiday location called Gitmo?
 

What do you mean? I didn't understand

I mean you have an extremist opinion. Some governments may not like that and lock you up.

I am really not extremist. I just try telling truth and in my country there's freedom for speech😊
There's secular system in my country. During 70 years many people jailed for their opinion.
That secular system punished them for thought crime.
It was misinterpretation sourced mistake of secular system.
They closed Quran courses, they forbidded scarf in schools and, official institutions. They called all muslims as terrorists in a %90 population muslim country.
Eventually today everything is free now and no any muslim become terrorist. No any muslim wanted to convert the system to Sharia by force.

I hate so much? I'm not sure where you have read that but it sounds a bit like you are at the end of factual discussion. Well, not surprising on a topic that does live on beliefs.

And how can drinking harm society? Drunken persons go to police station, harm avoided.

And what kind of homosexuals do you know that practice homosexuality in front of you? :)

The only harm coming from seeing a homosexual couple holding hands is the harm that exists in the heads of haters. That's all. The couples love can be more pure than the love of most married couples.

> homosexuals who destroy family life and spread dissease.

Well, so much for the informed society you life in.

> I am really not extremist. I just try telling truth and in my country there's freedom for speech😊

So you enjoy the freedom of a secular country and still ask for the sharia... well get to terms with being an extremist.

If they drink enough, it provides jobs for hospital or funeral service.  :D

Right!
He doesn't know fatal accidents drunk drivers caused. Anyway he's blind by what he drank or smoked.

People who don't want men to have sex with a girl who is 9 years old, like the prophet Mohammed did.

I'm fine with it the country should do what it wants in the end the people decide what they want.
But I'm just saying that they rather not replace religion with an extremist religion when they fill in that void, it could be like Syria kill the official heads and chaos is born.

I wonder what the Muslim Population would be if they allow their citizens to freely choose what they believed in faith.

They will be the happiest people in the entire world.
Will enjoy like anything, without rules.

Nonsense!
Muslims doesn't live only for world life. They believe hereafter life and they are very, happy to obey islamic rules. Non muslim people can't imagine and understant it

Nonsense.  Muslims are miserable, angry and sexually frustrated.

Look at Muslim countries.  They are stone age societies.  Women are cattle, man are barefoot.
Poor and isolated from the rest of human civilization.

Majority of Muslims are uneducated.  Those that do get higher education usually leave the religion.

You guys need a good beating for the way you treat women and other non-Muslims.

Why did you kill and enslave Yazidis?  What did they do to you?

I opt those cattles and borefoots than yours bitches and pimps.
Your society's women goes their countries by running for getting fucked by them. I think you're son of that kind of woman according to your wordings.

Finally, the real "peaceful" Muslim is coming out....

We are in agreement, PM me your name and I'll make sure you are sent off to a Muslim country of your choice so that you can practice your bronze age bullshit in peace.  

Did I say your mommy was a whore?  Why are you attacking me personally?  Defend your religion.  That is what I'm attacking.  Your prophet was a pedophile because he fucked a 9 year old girl.  He was probably mentally retarded. Muslim countries are backwards, bronze age tribal societies.  

Show me the scientific progress in the Muslim world under Islam today.  Go.
All I see is death and destruction.  If it was not for the oil, Muslim countries would be dying from starvation.

You did not answer my question:

Why did you kill and enslave Yazidis?  What did they do to you?

You would be astonished how many muslims suddenly feel free to do what they want when they don't have to fear other radicals treat them with stoneage punishment.

And really... young men coming from muslim countries as refugees only made a scandal in germany 3 months ago. A group of thousands gathered and stole from woman, touched them nastily and even raped some. Over hundred cases on this night in that one city and many hundred more in other cities too on that night.

Well, that happens when women have to be treated with religious rules like from the countries they are from. And surely only a fraction of the women are happy about their treatment in such society.

Isn't it just a petition filed in court?
Courts are known to admit various wild petitions. So we should just wait and watch on this one.

Seb, don't talk in this way without any exact knowledge about islam and muslims. I see that your knowledge about islam  consists by hearsay informations

I bet Muslim refugees would not attack German women, if they knew they would be stoned to death on the city square.  That is all they know and understand.  Thanks to Islam.

In İslam, rapists are punished with harshness. Thats correct. But suppose that your wife or daughter or sister was raped by a pervert. And suppose that you caught him alone in desert. What do you do him? Congratulate? I don't think. And suppose that you killed him. What Judgement system does you?
İslamic judgement system punishes him instead of you. And you'll never take a responsibility of that. And if a pervert  knows that if he rape a woman, he will be punished hard, does he do that?  You got it? Perverts, thiefs, murderers are afraid from İslamic Judgement System. Not else

That is why Muslims should only live in Muslim countries under Sharia Law.  So get the fuck out of civilized world.

If you're happy to get fucked by a pervert, i wish you good pleasure. But please do not reflect me beastliness as civilisation.
Your damn civilisation brought thier country terror for their  a barrel of oil. And only your countries remained peaceful on the world. But don't be so happy. This situation is temporary. Fire you burnt will burn you too.

that's really great , I couldn't imagine that Bangladesh may do such a thing but they are in the right road
hopefully we will see this more and more especially in Asia , religions should never run and rule countries

Many of people have problem with religion. Especially with Islam.
They are willing all other regimes but İslam.
For example, United Kingdom is governed by monarchy but no problem. Many of countries have a dictator on.
But when a country declares something against İslam, they begin applausing
Devil must be happy about you

You're a total moron, people died to remove the Monarchy from power, the queen is purely a figurehead, there was a civil war over it, go and learn some fucking history, you clearly have something wrong with you, next you'll be ranting about Jews. If you want to talk a load of bullshit about your religion then I'll watch with amusement, but posting fake history and trying to spread it to other people to try and convince them of your point of view is ridiculous.

if you really believe in that, i offer you to look at mirror while saying "moron"

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I'm not sure what you say. I know there are civilized islam countries. But you coming up with the sharia... comeon... those are NOT the civilized muslim countries we speak about. Those would rather free rapists because the women was not hidden correctly with a burka.

Or even worse killing the own daugther only because she wants to be free.

Don't tell me that is hearsay... it happens in my country too. Results of twisted minds destorted by rules coming from dark ages.

You know what... you exactly sound like one of these shitheads that would prefer living in the civilized country but cry about not having the sharia here. Guess you would be more happy living where the sharia rules right? Well, I doubt you would. I'm so very sure that you do so many things here and live in so much freedom that you would not want to stay there.

Well, I might be wrong but I know alot of those guys. Babbling nonsense because they feel like not getting what they deserve. Speaking about things they would surely not like having in their live. I wonder how you would feel having to see someone being hacked off the hand. Though maybe you watch beheading videos and it doesn't concern you? Not sure.

I'm only sick of these kids that want to live in the dark age but don't want to live in the dark age. You can't have both.

Well, I'm not afraid. There are enough people that would fight for freedom against religious domination. Well, in a way george bush did holy wars too. Babbling something from god told him to attack the irak and such bullshit. But the problem there are the other radicals. Christian radicals. Something everyone should be aware of too.

Prejudice prejudice prejudice!
Look friend,
Islam is not like other religions. It has own laws and rules. It includes every section of human life from craddle to grave. The first  condition is education. Because  you can't hold anybody without teaching. And you have to provide convenient good life conditions to people for preventing crime.
A real muslim knows that his every action is watched and if even he could hide that in world, he will eventualy pay it.
 You can't understand islam by comparison with others.
You talk about women in islam;
Woman is the most important and venerable person in islam. Woman is mother at first. Woman is like a precious jevel and should been protected from bad eyes and purposes. Therefore islam orders scarf. But if one woman doesn't care this order, she doesn't go out of islam. Just acts against an order and its her own responsibility.
Who kills own daughter? Islam has no order like that.  It has no connection with islam. 
Shortly, you may see islam from dark age but they are also seeing your life style same. Naked women with freedom like animals. No jealousness like pigs. Woman goes hand to hand, bed to bed like a free prostitute. Is that freedom? Maybe!  But that is man's freedom. Not woman's. In modern societies woman is sexual object in general. Now i told about woman in islam. If you wanna know something, please ask without prejudice. I try telling with pleasure.

What you describe is a life in fear. You are good because you fear the wrath of god or better the damages coming from middle age punishment rules. What good is it to life a better life out of fear?

And education... I'm not sure what you speak about. The real radicals are closing schools for women. And what would be teached? I'm sure it's not different from radical christians in the US. That god created world and NO, of course there is no evolution and such unholy stories.


I know that women are seen that way. Still you can do anything with them. How does it end often enough when a girl is raped? Who is guilty? There is no equality.

And if you really would have experience with woman then you would know that they would not want to be heightened like a princess when it means they have to hide and are incarcerated. They want to be equals. If other men are like carnivores who will hunt every woman that is not hidden then these men are at fault. The solution is not to punish the women with having to hide.

Besides that... isn't it allowed to beat your wife as a husband? And what about honour? Killing your own daugther to reestablish your honour? That might be anachronistic but it happens. And you want the sharia, where people are stoned and hands are cut off. I really don't get you. Don't you see that in fact you demand violence in your life? You will get everything.


I'm not sure who exactly kills the own daugther, but it happens regularly in countries muslim immigrated to. It only can be worse in the countries they are coming from since for sure the bigger radicals will not move to a country full of sin, right?


Naked women with freedom like animals... I you only could read that sentence out of a mind that has no religious rules in mind. You would wave your head over it.

And what is that? "But that is man's freedom. Not woman's." You really think men have to rule or what? You still live in very patriarchalic thought worlds. Everyone should be free. And there is no rule besides those coming from religions that say that woman have to be ruled by man.

this is a very good news.. if it happens, islamic world is getting a little bit healtier.. religion and government stuffs must be separated for the sake of a country's sake for sure..

You don't understand. If this happens, it truly is healthier. But not Islam healthier. Rather Islam destruction. It would only be Islam healthier if the killing were allowed to go on. Why? Because the root and foundations of Islam, the Koran and the Hadiths, both say to kill the infidels.

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Its a good move for Bangladesh as they recognized  and respects other faith. Peace can be achieved through respect on each others religion and more so they must push the interfaith dialogue more often.

That pretty much sums up any post you make quite well.

Secular and independent bloggers are getting chopped up in Bangladesh.
Expect more violence if this move gains momentum.

If true then it shows that sharia, demanded because of rapists, is misused as wished. Which is always the case when "belief" is ruling. It opens space to all kind of misuse.

Even when there are normal moslems promising to rule the country in a good way... past has shown that they might start that way but slowly getting more radical. So when I would live in such a country, I would never ever vote for a party that wants to rule after religious rules.

So many people are prejudiced about Islam. Whereas they don't know anything about Islam. Hearsays only, islamophobic media words.
I live in a country has secular system. We have lived very bad years. Country lost almost 50 years for wrong interpretation of secular system.
By the way Islam has own system and can't be adapted to secular system. By forbid, by ban you cannot prevent a belief, contrary, you expand it.

That's the difference to secular systems. Only because islamic systems forbid other beliefs way too often you should not fear that secular systems forbid the islam. Everyone is free to believe what he wants to believe. And a belief ends where you hurt the rights of others.

Well, I can't believe all this "we want a moderate islam" when it comes up in a secular country. You are even worse demanding the sharia. What is your belief? Salafism?

I wish religious people wouldn't try to put their belief over all other people.

There is prejudice! Who said that islam forbids other beliefs? This is not true.
You can believe in every way however you want. A muslim tells you his religion, its up to you accept or decline. No force no forbid.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/apostasy.aspx

Go on, justify it, this should be good :D

You don't get a free pass from criticism just because you're a muslim you idiot, no religion does.

Please don't act like you don't see things happening left and right in other countries. For example christians are killed often in some islamic countries.

But you know what... salafism is by now well known as the last step before terrorism. That is why salafism groups are observed quite well. I guess you live in france. The immigrants in the banlieues surely have not the best life and yes some take the worst way out. But this is a normal thing to happen if people feel like it is not going well for them. The worse the crazier the people become.

I know very well that there are islamic countries that live a free islam. No one dares to try to enforce the sharia and other rules that are obviously not made for our times. Most countries dropped those stone age rules but they had them once. And you come on with the wish to go back to stoneage times?

If you would be moderate, ok. I know that there are other moslems than you. They surely give freedom to woman and everyone. You wouldn't. And that makes you dangerous. Depending on if your life goes in the direction you want it to you might even turn way more radical. Giving up and putting all your hope in a life with virgins in heaven. And don't tell me it's prejudice. It happens surely around you too.

Even if you would want a moderate islam. Demanding that for a states religion is dangerous again. You surely know the muslim brotherhood. That is the organisation behind all the terror of islamic terror around the world. (Not IS though.) But not only terror, they try to take over countries with moderate promises, then enforce stricter rules.

So in any way... islam as a governmental rule is dangerous. In general, religious rules in a government are dangerous and everyone needs to fight them. Religion can still exist freely as long as no other persons get harmed from it. So you can still despise homosexuals. But if you feel the urge to kill them in the name of god because of sharia then you would be rightfully a terrorist.
And no... if you want the sharia then you can't claim others will do the killing. It means you would kill others just because of your religion too. Because you feel the religion gives you the right or the need to do so. And don't tell me my logic is erraneous here.

What I want to say is... the islam is a problem when stoneage rules are demanded, when other persons are restricted in their right to live freely as they wish. The islam is dangerous when getting power in a government. Those demanding violence in the name of god are dangerous. Unfortunately you are one of those too.

It's the general attitude of the religion.

I'm sorry for you that you got in contact with such radical persons.

Killed muslims in christian countries are more than killed christians in islam countries if we don't count war. If we count war, then comes a new question that "what they had there?"
Islam also has corrupted sects like Vahabi, Selefi. They don't accept others as real muslims and they are more near to terror and therefore easy to use them for imperial purposes. Christianity also has those kind sects like Evangelists, isn't it? They have an idea to help Jesus Arrival. When Jesus will come? When world falls in chaos and blood. So we need to put the world in war, chaos and blood for helping Jesus Arrival
Christians and muslims have one difference; Muslim terrorists are ignorant but mostly christians are wise.
Actually both of religion's members are used by materialist power. You may call them Illuminati, You may call them Global financial monsters.... Whatever if you call them they are managing everything on world. They aren't atheists but worse of being atheist. They are satanist

Bangladesh has tried their best to make islam as their official religion, but got defeated and then agreed to the values of human emotions which is highly appreciable.

Oh sure... you claim that Turkey is secular. I don't know whether I should laugh or cry after reading this. There are no non-Muslim minorities in Turkey. The reason? All of them (Greeks, Armenians, Assyrians.etc) were exterminated during the numerous genocides in 1915. This is Turkish secularism for you. Secularism is achieved after the extermination of all the non-Muslim groups.

I agree with you. That must be a bad idea to remove Islam as official religion. The religion is fine, the wrong ones are the people. why don't fix the people rather than abandon the religion?
we can't judge a religion by people who believe in that religion, because I'm pretty sure Islam doesn't orders the followers even humankinds to do bad things.

I think if the reason behind killing is religion then there is something really faulty. That goes for all religions, suicide sects and other things like that.

I know christians were quite murderous in the religious wars in the middle age, muslim countries were developed farther then christian ones. Now we have some kind of opposite direction.

I don't think that the US fights as christians. George Bush only used this "God told me to attack the iraq" as a stupid reason, maybe he could draw in some radical christions.

And yes, there are powers, mostly out for money and power, that try to use local groups and such to reach their targets.

I doubt though that ISIS is somehow guided by another power. I think they are independent.

Bangladesh is Muslim country. There is 85%  people is Muslim So Official religion considering abandoning Islam is very ugly.

Exactly. And I fear if they do that they will have huge problema with terrorism. You can't just reject mayority like that, this brings some concevences.

Bangladesh became Muslim majority only in 1880. Before that it was a Hindu-majority region. The Muslims became majority after conducting several massacres and genocides, followed by forcible conversion to Islam. In my opinion, Hinduism must be declared as the official religion of Bangladesh, as it was the original religion of the residents.

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What are you speaking about? Official religion. That only means that government should not be ruled by religions. It has nothing to do with making a religion illegal.

The article merely said that Bangladesh is considering dropping Islam as its official religion.  Fat chance it will really happen.  Imagine: the people in power- the religious zealots- willing to give up their power!

I guess one can only dream.

 Imagine the new Arab Spring it could create.

Every nation has (or had) an official religion...

America is literally the first secular nation in history


As for Bangladesh, I'd be happy if they would stop murdering Atheists with machetes:
Sixth Secularist Macheted To Death In Bangladesh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGempcCzLyQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGempcCzLyQ)

85% people,s religion is Islam of Bangladesh. Islam is best of best religion over the world. so normally it,s official religion of Bangladesh. personally I like this. 

The Payza money transfer system out of Canada has some kind of close relationship with Bangladesh. Perhaps Payza is owned by wealthy government people of Bangladesh who would like to see freedom of religion stressed in Bangladesh so that they can make more money for the people of Bangladesh. After all, if you are running a country, and the country has financial greatness, your wealth goes up right along with it.

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So according to you, Islam must be the official religion because 85% of the Bangladeshis are Muslim? I am confused. If that is the case, then why are you demanding Shakira law in European nations, where more than 85% of the population is Christian? Christianity must be the official religion and Christian laws must be applicable, isn't it?

You shit everywhere your lies behind your keyboard.

If that is passed then it is a good sign. Hopefully there would come a time that all peoples can unite in one common humanity regardless of creed.

Bangladesh Government killed many of religional leaders in country. They were old men..

i do not think its true because Bangladseh always supported Islam and one day soon they will accept that reality.
because at last Islam would be the last remaining religion in this world.