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Hello, I have gathered my fair share of BTC by now and I am ready to start investing it.

My choice was to pick a bitcoin casino and invest in their bankroll.

The question is, what Bitcoin Casino offers the Highest EV? (EV = coins wagered * house edge)

Also I am starting low with my investment for information.

So in short, what btc casino will give me the best ROI in my investment and is sure to stay up for a couple or more years.

Actually their many to choose.
But i heard if you invested in House you can also loose.
If a player win big

I am willing to take that risk.
Would be nice if they had a big bankroll already in that case.

Yes its nice but it can also be risky if you ask me, there can be a lot of problems and a investment is never a 100% chance that you will make profit.
I think its better to just invest in something else, a casino can collapse very quickly.

basically you have 6 options:
https://safedice.com
https://www.crypto-games.net
https://betking.io
https://www.bitdice.me/
https://satoshidice.com
https://www.moneypot.com/

sorry for hijacking your topic but i have a question that you might also want to know.

are these casinos guarantee the profit percent no matter what happens or is it depending on how the users of the casino bet.
for example if 100 users lose a total of 1BTC and one lucky user wins 1.5BTC are they going to take that loss out of your investment too?

I don't know what I should recommend since you are looking for both EV and daily wagers
I'm an investor in bitvest and so far I'm satisfied , but you may not like it cause the wagers are still small cause the site is kinda new
I would advice you to divide you bankroll and start testing every trusted site here , you can judge by the results yourself


no of course there is no guarantee , when the players lose you make money and when they win you lose money
otherwise you wouldn't see sites accepting investments

There are several factors to consider:

- The betting volume that they experience (the more the better)
- The amount of your investment in ratio to the overall invested total (the bigger the better)
- The average house edge (the more the better)
- The amount of commission taken (the less the better)
- The dependability of the site in regards to all past, present, and future
- Access and contact with the people behind the site
- Room for growth and how maintained the site is


There are a few others that I've left out or missed.  I'd be happy to answer any other questions or concerns you might have.

wow i did not know this.
i have always thought investing in bankroll of these websites means that you get a profit each month like a cloudmining investment for example!

There's also just-dice.com, a very trusted and long running website by dooglus but since it is clams only now, OP has to convert the coins into it before investing.

You will get profit "most of the time" assuming that you are investing for the long term than casino will keep on getting profit because of the house edge. Some variances could be hurting your investment however it will sure recover as long as the casino could get a significant wagered volume every month .

Take moneypot as example, they lost more than 40 btc two months ago and the investors were in deep red however they have now recovered everything and made 14 btc in profit

I think this is not a good idea because casino's can collapse pretty fast and you will lose a your money because of that.
You can better invest in normal thing that has more potential, there are already a lot of casino's these days so the succeed rate is also less more these days.

i agree. investing in casinos is a very risky investment but there is so little other options out there to invest bitcoin and sometime you have no choice but to take the risk if you want to invest your bitcoin.
i was thinking about investing in safedice myself if it was possible.

They don't guarantee profit. They only let you be part of the bankroll. This means that if players win and make the bankroll shrink, so will your investment.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe SD has the highest EV out of those. This means that your payout is bigger, but the the optimal for an investor is also that number of bets are huge. SD is also not only a Dice game but also a slot game that gives a more steady payout to investors. AAnother drawback of the site is that it already has 5000+ BTC invested, so you'd have to invest quite a bit in order to get a big share of the bankroll.

I have invested some of my coin in moneypot.com which is gambling wallet and have lots of sites under it. They are also trusted and are quite profitable to invest in also. Other than that there are lots of sites like bitvest.io which offer to invest in site bankroll, ohh cryptogames also have that feature. Good luck with your investment

this anyone don't say it..
casino is game. have not permanent roi..
don't try it
Good luck

Investing in gambling is the most risky investing way, i mean if user(gambler) would win a lot, you will loose a lot of your invwsted money, if you want to invest bitcoins, invest them in loan site atleast, least risky

It's a game indeed but compared to investments in coins it can be very lucrative. I for one would never invest/gamble with a casino.
For more then .1 BTC. Since it's a very risky investment.

i have invested all my CLAMS to justdice, i hope every day dooglus opena another dice or add to justdice already the Ethereum, for now i see only crypto-games have investment in ethereum

Look at which one is the oldest and most trustworthy first. I'd take that over a few % extra profit any day of the week.

I think that is one of the best methods also its very risky to invest in casinos so think about it when you do.
You can lose a  lot of money when the casinos are gonna collapse if you ask me.

I'd guess CLAM value will drop to almost nothing like altcoins have a tendency to do, though. That alone makes it a riskier investment than any Bitcoin site.

I'm not so sure about that since there is the backing just due to the popularity of just-dice. However, since dooglus owns a majority of the CLAMs, he has a huge amount of influence on the future of the coin. I wouldn't have a huge problem with investing in just-dice because the investor profit is pretty high, but opinions can differ among people. I would probably do satoshidice and moneypot. They have a large enough community and enough players for me to think that I'm gaining some money from the investments.

All investments are comes with risks and if any one worried about risks than they can't invest money to grow or beat inflation. The best way to reduce your loses in these kind of investments is diversification instead of keeping all your money in one site, chose few good sites and diversify your money.

That is correct. In this kind of high risk investment we must do diversifying our investments and the main advantage is if any one casino close also we still will get regular profits from other casinos so it will not impact so much from one lose. But, the most difficult part in this investment is finding good few casinos to invest.

I can say from experience that my investments at Crypto-games yielded me a nice profit. It's a bit of a risk though because they hold your investment for 24 hours after placing it, but after that you can withdraw instantly.

But I would never recommend just investing everything into one site, like you said, diverifying your investments is the best option.

Got some very interesting responses and they well overall very helpful, thanks everyone!

Its not that good to invest in casinos mate. You will lose a lot of money and that is not good. You will never know what will happen with your money.
But you must be lucky and that happens not that often so that is the problem. You better can play with small amounts or something.

My best tip would be don't bother. So many sites go bust or/and run away with investors funds. Nobody here can give you any neutral advice. Be careful with your money.

yeah, if you invest in gambling, casino, you will probably loose really fast, gambling and loaning sites are most risky ones as i know

if you can, better buy other crypto currency, or keep your bitcoins for months, sell them more, not so risky

Of course there is a option to invest in the bitcoin casinos but keep in mind there are already a lot and I even think the most upcoming gambling websites are not gonna hold it out for long.
Just invest in a bitcoin casino that is already big, maybe less more profit but also less more risks.

I think investing in bitcoin casino's is not good because there are also a lot of that kind of websites that are just stealing money on that way.
I do not recommend this, too many risk if you ask me.

First of all, you need to observe which casino is trustworthy and reliable place to invest. If you think that all bitcoin casinos are just stealing money, so you are very wrong.

I would not invest in a bitcoin casino. It's far from reliable. Because the next day they are here, and a day after they can be gone.
Running away with user and investor's money. No way. I go for investing buy buying bitcoins.

i have to say investing at just-dice is wise.

It wont happen if you choose the right bitcoin casino, not all bitcoin casinos will rum away with investor's money. Look at some great gambling site such as crypto-games, just-dice, bitvest etc. It has been proven that they are legit site. Of course, there is still a possibility that you will lose your investment. Thats how investment works..

I think you may be talking about those new scam websites but in this forum you can find few quite good and old sites to invest. If you want to invest money on any site, first you need to find a reliable site and it is the most difficult job in casino investing and this type of investment is high risk and high reward. So if you take risk than you may be rewarded better in future.

why is it wise? whether the investment in the gambling sites we can get profit very much exceeds the money we invest ??

Not unless the whole bankroll is doubled because of a very sore loser. But it does provide you with a viable source of 'income' if you are looking to invest in a legitimate investment instead of a ponzi scheme

The bankroll over at just-dice grows from staking clams rather than from anyone gambling/losing to the house (at least in scale, the staking part is significantly bigger).
Now there are of course more factors coming in, like the current clam price and its fluctuation, aswell as a few others.

Oh I see. If thats the case, one could take that answer as a reference to all BTC gambling sites, instead of Justdice

I think investing in wheter just dice or any other gambling platform is still quite risky.
Especially considering a timeframe of over a year.

How so? In the long term, because of the house edge you should be at the least where you started from. Also, many gambling platforms have a max bet size of 1% of the total bankroll making it very hard for a continous lucky streak for the player robbing you of your investment

After investment don't wait for the fixed time but just monitor your investments regularly and try to withdraw some of your profits now and than and put in some other ways to grow your coins. It is not a good idea to wait for one year after investment done.

Yes, if you investment on not trusted websites than you can lose your money easily. You can really find very good trusted sites in this forum to choose couple of them to put your coins. But we should know that, this investment is quite high risky and we may lose our money and it will also grow money slow.

Its good to invest in a casino but do it in a casino that is already for a long time up because there is chance you get scammed.
So investing is good but do it at the right trusted people.

in the long term, invest in gambling is very good, i have every time earn more to my invest, to all site.

I don't invest more bitcoin, only because the high risk to owner close a site and exit with all bitcoin is real.

I think if any gambling site add a cold wallet in the hand of many trust user of forum, have more possibility to have more investor. Nobody offer this ?

Its not that smart to invest in some Bitcoin casinos. Because you will always lose more money than you win.
And that is very bad. People must know that gambling is very bad and it is all wasted money.

Investing into the bankroll =/ gambling at the casino

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You might want to join the ongoing discussion over here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1166089.0).

From what I'm watching none of these sites lets you invest on their Bankroll, at least I'm not beeing able to find that option.
Does anyone has the correct link?

Investing in a bitcoin casino its possible but look out for any scammers because they will just run away with your money.
Although it also has advantages because of the fact its pretty profitable for sure but mostly not in the beginning because the casino needs to gain users.
What I recommend is that you are doing is investing in a already big casino, the risks are less more and the fact that you can still make big bucks is still there.

Anyone know any other site besides just dice and bitdixe that let's you stake coins?

Investing in bitcoin casino's can be profitable but think good about it because it also can go wrong if course.
Investing is always a risk, the same rule applies for the bitcoin, but for investing in real company's the chance it can collapse is even bigger.
If such a casino does not have a lot of users monthly the profit you will make will be not much, so think good about it.

KingDice.com also started accepting investments few weeks ago. You can see result here so far: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1585408.msg17316052#msg17316052

Bitvest.io is an option its been around over a year and the owners own 777coin.com and thats been around since 2013.
You can find out more here https://bitvest.io/ just got to the top of the investment tab.

You need to search properly because most of these sites got any investment options. It is better to diversify your money into all these to reduce your losses. Since last few months moneypot is not doing that great for investors profit point of you, so study well before choosing sites to invest your money.

Does 777 have a investment option?

I think no and as i've seen on security section only the bitvest have's it, maybe lightlord doesn't want that option to 777coin so that he can focus to the bitvest which i think got more traffics/players.

But maybe they will add some investment option in that site if they would find it great and got impressive stats.

Very impressive start for KingDice so far!

Well you need to know there is always risk involve when investing in everything, nowadays there are so many site to invest your coin, from I know betking got the best ROI, but you can do your own research to check which site that suit you the most, check the traffic and check the favorite site of the gambler and for me investing in casino is quite profitable

I think it will be hard to them to add it in 777coin that is why they are only managing well in bitvest and give investment because it is also fits in the name of the site.. unlike 777coin.. that you can think that a slot games only that you can found. but you can see that cards is most of their games.
I think we already have reviews about the best investment gambling site here much better to look for them and i think be active here and you can fund the best option just like betking they are giving good reviews about that site.

it is easy to add investment option to any business that is legitimately making money and needs expanding. it doesn't matter what the games are, investment is used for having a bigger business and in many cases it is used for expanding your business to bigger things and having a larger revenue.
777coin may have enough money or private investors that doesn't need more.

For the latest stats regarding your gambling investments the best resource is the following internet site
https://dicesites.com/
Before every investment always study everything that is available about a casino. And then invest the max amount you are also happy to lose.
It's not always a win.

Yeah it is easy but the hard thing there is to please people to invest at them, but for the long time i've seen 777coins site truly they doesn't add the investment option on there site maybe they are settled on their own house bankroll thats why we can't see them posting that, but i think also that there main focus is at the bitvest since that site is mostly the one who's been highlighted by lightlord and there mods.

Study if the casino has an enormous bettor base and keep in mind how much house edge the casinos have. The higher it is there is a better chance the casino will generate more income, though the higher it is the lower the gamblers that play there. Also remember that investing in gambling sites is similar to gambling. You are just betting against the bettors. But you have a better chance though.

No for a very simple reason: they don't need to.

In fact most casinos have a very high bankroll already, it doesn't mean that investing in them isn't good but that's not as profitable as you would like it to be.
So as they have a huge bankroll and already a high number of investors they have no reason to guarantee anything.
Moreover they have the best possible guarantee: mathematics. You're guaranteed to have your money plus your profit back if you let your investment going. Simply because the bank always wins.

The main risk taken by investor would be that casino takes the money and leaves or that they get hacked. That's unlikely but always possible.

I think it is also good to invest your btc in online btc casino so you can also earn while they are also earning money.
Even if you play there just to have fun and lose, it is okay because you invested there so you are also winning.,  :D

Best Thread on Bankroll Investing: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1585408

Is there an automatic warranty that online btc casinos have a win?

Casinos have a house edge towards players, but this doesn't necessarily mean that their revenue is higher than their monthly costs or initial investment costs.

I'm currently looking to casinos who accept Bitcoin as an investment to their sites. Do you happen to know any of it which is legit? I know that there some suggestions few pages back but I want to know the existing ones in 2017. And if you have any suggestion, do you have any experience with them in the past?

Bitcoin Gambling Investments (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1585408.msg17809644#msg17809644)

Yeah this is one of the best thread ever. And until now he keep on profiting, from the start he put his investment, he already know that he is going to get some profit, but i saw he put on different investment. For the old one still safedice which is he got good amount there. And the new one is yolodice and kingdice. This is a great investment though

their so many site offering that and it matters on which site you would choose and try to go on big sites since i believe that they are the one who can safeguard your money against to scam gambling site who just want to get some money to their investors.

My best pick for now is bitdice,bitvest,crypto-games(dunno if they still accepting investors) or might just scroll down on those buried threads where you can find great info's to your inquiries.

Crypto-games still accepts investors and the min sum is only 0.01btc. They have mare than 1500btc (I don't remember the exact sum) bankroll, though, and so for now you get 4.75% profit every month (all this info comes from Lutpin, you can check it in crypto-games thread).
Although there are many new perspective casinos now and maybe it is better to invest in them (but you risk more, of course).
Or investments in old profitable casinos in altcoin's bankrolls can be made. Thus you invest in a lower bankroll but have a risk of the currency falling down.