Title: Have a look. This is not mixing. This is spaming Post by: amaclin on March 06, 2016, 09:21:55 PM Have a look to this address
https://blockchain.info/address/18JrJCiwQTyAY6Jq98ABLMoTNr6LrK65BB and follow to any other address. Do you see what I see? These transactions are not bitcoin mixing. The creator of these transactions just moves funds between several his addresses. Each address has about ~28k transactions and counting To be correct the number 28k is the total number of transactions in this "stress-test". I do not know any reason to fill the blockchain with these kind of flood. Title: Re: Have a look. This is not mixing. This is spaming Post by: Jordan23 on March 06, 2016, 09:42:29 PM And each transaction is exactly 5 minutes apart
Title: Re: Have a look. This is not mixing. This is spaming Post by: Lauda on March 06, 2016, 09:47:12 PM Where did you find this address? I'd hardly call 20-30kB every ~5 minutes spam. They seem to be paying an adequate fee.
Title: Re: Have a look. This is not mixing. This is spaming Post by: amaclin on March 06, 2016, 09:52:25 PM Where did you find this address? In blockchainI'd hardly call 20-30kB every ~5 minutes spam. They seem to be paying an adequate fee. 1) What is the reason to create a chain of such mixing-like transactions for months?2) I am not sure that this is the only chain Title: Re: Have a look. This is not mixing. This is spaming Post by: Junko on March 06, 2016, 09:53:10 PM So why would anyone do this or even spend the time to do this? I don't get it. Do they plan on mixing in the future or what?
Title: Re: Have a look. This is not mixing. This is spaming Post by: DannyHamilton on March 06, 2016, 09:53:25 PM These are valid transactions that pay a high enough fee to be likely to confirm and do not create any un-spendable outputs.
I don't see anything wrong with that. As far as I'm concerned, that's what bitcoin is for. Title: Re: Have a look. This is not mixing. This is spaming Post by: amaclin on March 06, 2016, 09:55:44 PM I don't see anything wrong with that. 28k transfers from left pocket to right pocket and back? Every 5 minutes? ;DIs this really bitcoin invented for? ;D Title: Re: Have a look. This is not mixing. This is spaming Post by: Remember remember the 5th of November on March 06, 2016, 09:57:11 PM I don't see anything wrong with that. 28k transfers from left pocket to right pocket and back? Every 5 minutes? ;DIs this really bitcoin invented for? ;D Title: Re: Have a look. This is not mixing. This is spaming Post by: Arrakeen on March 06, 2016, 09:57:19 PM To be correct the number 28k is the total number of transactions in this "stress-test". Why do you assume this address is being used for 'stress-testing'? Are you just making a guess? Title: Re: Have a look. This is not mixing. This is spaming Post by: amaclin on March 06, 2016, 10:02:42 PM Why do you assume this address is being used for 'stress-testing'? Are you just making a guess? Are you able to use blockexplorer? ;DTake any address from the page and view its history Title: Re: Have a look. This is not mixing. This is spaming Post by: pawel7777 on March 06, 2016, 10:05:04 PM I don't see anything wrong with that. 28k transfers from left pocket to right pocket and back? Every 5 minutes? ;DIs this really bitcoin invented for? ;D In a way, yes. You own it and can do whatever the f*ck you want with it, without having to explain yourself to any authority. Title: Re: Have a look. This is not mixing. This is spaming Post by: kingaltcoins on March 06, 2016, 10:07:42 PM As far as one paying significant fee to the miners each and every transaction will get confirmed in no time.
If the owner of that address added zero fee or a very low fee (~1 to 10 sat) we can pretty much conclude it as jamming the network. If his prime intention was to do so then he is losing his coins in fees. ;) Title: Re: Have a look. This is not mixing. This is spaming Post by: cameltoe on March 06, 2016, 10:09:53 PM What if they added a txt file as a well to advertise their products I think that would be better than sending useless dust
Title: Re: Have a look. This is not mixing. This is spaming Post by: DannyHamilton on March 06, 2016, 10:28:11 PM 28k transfers from left pocket to right pocket and back? Every 5 minutes? ;D Is this really bitcoin invented for? ;D Creating transactions that transfer control of value from a set of previously unspent outputs to newly created unspent outputs, while rewarding "miners" with transaction fees? Yes. This is exactly what bitcoin was created for. The whole idea behind the creation of bitcoin is that there is no centralized controler of the system who can decide that your personal use doesn't fall within their intended use and then stop you. Title: Re: Have a look. This is not mixing. This is spaming Post by: ShrykeZ on March 06, 2016, 10:45:56 PM Strange choice of transactions, all paying okay fees, seems like a waste of bitcoin for the individual.
Title: Re: Have a look. This is not mixing. This is spaming Post by: Zeke2345 on March 07, 2016, 12:41:40 AM Not understanding the reason, this believed to be making a statement? Some times I think its a sign bitcoin attracts some ocd behaviour. The gambler aspect I can believe as well.
Title: Re: Have a look. This is not mixing. This is spaming Post by: sirohige on March 07, 2016, 03:26:25 AM maybe you are right
look at this transaction from his address https://blockchain.info/tx/b2005c06d6fa9b455904221efde88e94b8149afcf5d1d34d9c20912f42b411c8 Size : 2402 (bytes) but the fee only 0.00015 BTC :-X >:( Title: Re: Have a look. This is not mixing. This is spaming Post by: Gleb Gamow on March 07, 2016, 05:28:00 AM Have a look to this address https://blockchain.info/address/18JrJCiwQTyAY6Jq98ABLMoTNr6LrK65BB and follow to any other address. Do you see what I see? These transactions are not bitcoin mixing. The creator of these transactions just moves funds between several his addresses. Each address has about ~28k transactions and counting To be correct the number 28k is the total number of transactions in this "stress-test". I do not know any reason to fill the blockchain with these kind of flood. i don't sure someone will get a free time just to do this kind of useless thing except they're using an automated bot to send the transaction just like macro,maybe it's a project? Here's what we know: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=197593 Quote Added this negative feedback last year IIRC. I thought it would be good to add more details and hence, I am updating. ------- I sold him an address and he paid me. He sent me first and it went well. I have no objections in it. Then I found, he is hosting a script(obviously) or doing manually - he is moving all received BTC in the addresses he bought to his address(es). That is some sort of stealing but I am not going further to it in this feedback. I contacted him saying I need to do something and please don't move the BTC addresses. He moved some of my BTC which I sent to that addresses for some purpose. I contacted him again IIRC. He didn't reply to a single message. I don't think this user is a good choice when doing any business or trade. TL;DR: This negative feedback isn't for stealing or any other, it is for not responding which is really a BAD thing and not a good character for a trader. I depreciate doing business with him with or without escrow. --- Negative feedback updated on 13-03-2015. Changed to neutral feedback on 02--\06-2015 https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/103a62fa3cd37961/addresses https://i.imgur.com/n2ipMNJ.jpg Address Created/First Use Date 18JrJCiwQTyAY6Jq98ABLMoTNr6LrK65BB 2015-10-16 10:00:38 1JPdSpvfqCHxsViDWaGvKmYtP2jG6y3W2 2015-10-16 10:00:38 1KnbWNS5XY5X9sRKo8vV9bwnWexMJKy4GH 2015-10-16 10:00:38 1LFAwCeBaJvFm4sL5W5PdyNfMyN9mUhTDv 2015-10-16 10:00:38 18JstwejVrsh2gVas2K52MvJRkpHWx1hMK 2015-10-16 10:00:38 1B45QRp2i32Cng2qxhdHqHyPjU32nqhtF3 2015-10-16 10:00:38 1PSTNtPTLe8wPUajyiBbRoBwcouvJpu3ZJ 2015-10-16 10:00:38 1KhTtLmSVgwcsFLBZnvhNYxMEzabRd7A4i 2015-10-16 12:44:39 1Ns99r9eckfY59dMUTdZ3BYKRGrHrzVb3Z 2015-10-16 10:00:38 1ALwzRPVvxvdeXfJQww5jdpcZuU2Myhd83 2015-10-16 12:44:39 181TA8PXbvwwEdX6atsCSFjK6RCVVcNqih 2015-10-16 12:44:39 1H9aoyAnZan7MqUxYQVqtiqi18F74NCuqn 2015-10-16 10:00:38 14N7TDMwFc4pxJ3xXGjC4kXAZcZKzdoYQf 2015-10-16 10:00:38 1Eto5UFzbQmXfFxzB7P6u5HgHWf77HYT16 2015-10-16 10:00:38 14 addresses belonging to the same wallet: 11 created on 2015-10-16 10:00:38; 3 created on 2015-10-16 12:44:39. https://blockchain.info/address/1Eto5UFzbQmXfFxzB7P6u5HgHWf77HYT16 https://i.imgur.com/Y1G8XCv.jpg Is that a change way to fund an address at the exact same time from three different addresses (right) belonging to the same wallet? - https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/0271a974ab6dcb45/addresses - This [anomaly] transpired virtually halfway between the creation of the first 11 addresses and the 3 subsequent addresses stemming from the ONLY address currently not in use (last transaction: 2015-11-07 10:08:50). Total spent in fees = ~ U$1,400. Title: Re: Have a look. This is not mixing. This is spaming Post by: SFR10 on March 07, 2016, 06:02:49 AM This is very strange for someone to waste this sort of BTCitcoin in which most of them will go for fee payments as result since it looks like a continuous type of transactions (mostly bot related). It could be used to deceive a brand that is paying perhaps (most likely a investment company that tricks into paying).
Title: Re: Have a look. This is not mixing. This is spaming Post by: CC-Resurgam on March 07, 2016, 06:10:58 AM isn't it quite possible for this all to be some form of test? or at very least a group of people trying to support and potentially break BTC by seeing what it can/ cant handle, or doing it just for the sake of helping the network out by supplying transactions. hell it is even possible that they are focused primarily on implementing some update into their wallets to test out a new form of attack. all I know is that currently they are not harming anything and in fact might be helping the chain. I wouldn't worry until it is time to.
Title: Re: Have a look. This is not mixing. This is spaming Post by: Gleb Gamow on March 07, 2016, 06:18:31 AM This is very strange for someone to waste this sort of BTCitcoin in which most of them will go for fee payments as result since it looks like a continuous type of transactions (mostly bot related). It could be used to deceive a brand that is paying perhaps (most likely a investment company that tricks into paying). Definitely not brand related. The entity definitely has the bucks to do this. I'm leaning heavily toward the OP's assessment, namely clogging the pipes so to increase block size. Here's an article dated the same day that the 14 addresses were created: http://coinjournal.net/bitcoin-will-need-to-scale-to-levels-much-higher-than-visa-mastercard-and-paypal-combined/ Title: Re: Have a look. This is not mixing. This is spaming Post by: eternalgloom on March 07, 2016, 07:33:07 AM It's a little bit odd, but I do not see anything being actually wrong with those transactions.
It does look like an automated process or something though and i wonder what the purpose is. Title: Re: Have a look. This is not mixing. This is spaming Post by: mkc on March 07, 2016, 07:56:07 AM Once every 5 minutes is not spamming or stress test. I don't think so. This is some sort of bug in program, or something else.
For a spammer, you are looking for huge amount of transaction and close to nil transaction fee. Title: Re: Have a look. This is not mixing. This is spaming Post by: spartacusrex on March 07, 2016, 12:20:15 PM Maybe he is encoding 'data' into the output amounts..
Title: Re: Have a look. This is not mixing. This is spaming Post by: ebliever on March 07, 2016, 02:34:41 PM There are various academics and other researchers out there conducting all manner of research in bitcoin. I suppose it could be someone's grad project, though what they are trying to learn I can't imagine.
Title: Re: Have a look. This is not mixing. This is spaming Post by: Kprawn on March 07, 2016, 02:45:37 PM This in my opinion is one of two things... 1. The person is part of a group of people that does this with different addresses, to add spam to the network. If I am correct, you would find more of this
during the same period, but with different address groupings. In this way, it does not look as if it is related, but it is part of the same attack. Or 2. Someone is using this as scam, to show payment proof, but the money ends back in his/her own pocket. You would have to be stupid to fall for that, but people tend not to look any deeper than the surface. ::) Title: Re: Have a look. This is not mixing. This is spaming Post by: alani123 on March 07, 2016, 03:25:24 PM Maybe he is encoding 'data' into the output amounts.. lol no, it's plain spam... Probably to put pressure into the blocksize debate. Title: Re: Have a look. This is not mixing. This is spaming Post by: maokoto on March 07, 2016, 03:37:12 PM I agree that he may be counting something with his transactions or something like that. If adequate fees are paid, it is also helping mining to be profitable. It's fine for me.
Title: Re: Have a look. This is not mixing. This is spaming Post by: onlinedragon on March 07, 2016, 03:42:25 PM For sure the person who own that adress is doing it with an reason. Can't imagine that the person who did this will do it if there wasn't any advantage.
Title: Re: Have a look. This is not mixing. This is spaming Post by: LeNakko on March 07, 2016, 04:58:48 PM I wouldnt say its flooding, since the owner himself pays fees for all that transactions.
My first thought would be that he is testing something for his own purposes or he is just an employer of some kind of Company. I would also think that as somenone mentioned above it is being done for some scientific reasons, regarding Bitcoin and its improvements. Either way I doubt that he doesnt know what he is doing, since the fees he is paying is quite a bit. Title: Re: Have a look. This is not mixing. This is spaming Post by: ~Bitcoin~ on March 07, 2016, 05:03:42 PM To be correct the number 28k is the total number of transactions in this "stress-test". Why do you assume this address is being used for 'stress-testing'? Are you just making a guess? Title: Re: Have a look. This is not mixing. This is spaming Post by: Gleb Gamow on March 08, 2016, 12:59:09 AM To be correct the number 28k is the total number of transactions in this "stress-test". Why do you assume this address is being used for 'stress-testing'? Are you just making a guess? ~U$1,400 worth of bitcoins for stress testing? Title: Re: Have a look. This is not mixing. This is spaming Post by: CC-Resurgam on March 13, 2016, 01:18:41 AM To be correct the number 28k is the total number of transactions in this "stress-test". Why do you assume this address is being used for 'stress-testing'? Are you just making a guess? ~U$1,400 worth of bitcoins for stress testing? wow man is it really calculated to be that much? or did you make that number up? eiter way it is rediculous to think someone is spending that much money for seemingly no reason Title: Re: Have a look. This is not mixing. This is spaming Post by: AliceWonderMiscreations on March 13, 2016, 01:31:33 AM Could be that they are testing how the transactions are relayed through the P2P network - e.g. they have nodes set up at different locations and looking at which nodes receive transactions first.
Title: Re: Have a look. This is not mixing. This is spaming Post by: alani123 on March 13, 2016, 08:15:19 AM Could be that they are testing how the transactions are relayed through the P2P network - e.g. they have nodes set up at different locations and looking at which nodes receive transactions first. Meh, this is spam in its purest form. The number of transactions in the mempool has cooled down significantly so we know it wasn't actual usage. It's likely that someone taking sides in the blocksize debate initiated the spam attack to push an agenda. |