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[Let's not discuss Ringsigs vs mixing vs blending here, everyone already knows the differences]


Let's see:

https://i.imgur.com/N3R3hBw.png
(Source: https://twitter.com/Zedux/status/706672041479417857)

There was also another tweet from user https://twitter.com/CryptoRekt saying that Monero (and the rest) is inferior to $XVG Verge's anonymity sollution, but was since deleted and I'm blocked so not sure if he did a new tweet or not.


Thread of Verge: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1365894.msg14133120#msg14133120 (Self-Moderated of course)

Verge's anonymity sollution: a wallet that does no mixing, no ringsigs and no form of tx obfuscation, but connects to I2P from 4 nodes that are all hosted from the developer and they hide your IP. They call it the "Blackhole" tech.

When I asked the Verge (former DogeCoinDark) developer on his thread on what he considers anon and why he supports his people tweeting bullshit he told me that every crypto running over the clearnet is exposed and that they use a unique anon sollution.




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Some additional tweets for fun:

https://i.imgur.com/FQWG7AK.png
https://twitter.com/CryptoOz/status/706336859048120320

https://i.imgur.com/ZrYBK6q.png
https://twitter.com/DAndreamining/status/706303206595416065

So centralization. You're proud of a centralized solution, really?

It's not my sollution, I'm just laughing at it.

That is indeed pretty laughable.

I think credit must be given where credit is due - it's good that they've built out Tor and I2P versions of Electrum.

I think it's pretty short-sighted that they haven't engaged with the Electrum dev community to add I2P support to Electrum server, which would allow Electrum volunteers who are already running servers on Tor and/or clearnet to add I2P support to their server if they so desire.

I also think that it's largely irrelevant whether the Electrum server knows your IP or not, you're already providing it with so much metadata that grouping your addresses becomes trivial. Who cares if you only ever use Electrum over I2P, but then you go buy a yoyo online and an attacker gets your physical address from that payment (and they can link every transaction you've ever done)?

Another concern that I have is with I2P's router being written in Java. It's not terrible, but the additional dependency (especially one with such a poor track record) is a little frightening. It's also the primary reason why we've been working with members of the I2P community to get C++-based I2P router projects going, which will allow much better and more direct integration. Hopefully Verge will switch to Kovri when we're at a stable and secure release point: https://github.com/monero-project/kovri

I like how you quote a bunch of people talking about Verge and treat it like a personal affront from the dev.

I could go on Twitter and tell the Monero dev to inhale my dong. The fact that I own Verge doesn't mean that I am associated with the coin in any way.

Take a look at his responses in the thread where he defends this exact stance.

Mb the fact that I got my comments deleted instantly on their thread and the fact that the developer threatened me in a private message helped with making this thread, but I'm not asshole enough to expose that. Or you need it?

Thanks for the detailed input, I agree that an I2P version of Electrum is a nice feature. I have no problems with their developments and didn't have any in the past. The attitude bothers me.

Saw your I2P router project previously, how is it progressing?

Your way too emotional on this! Go take a walk or something...

I think you are missing the point that every i2p wallet connected makes it decentralised.

Try spending your coins on any service that needs any information on you. Your coins will get backtracked to every single adress you ever used because there is no blockchain obfuscation.

Saying it again, I never had a problem with XVG until some people started trolling and the developer decided to support it.

The I2P wallet is a nice privacy feature, but starting your marketing with naming and shaming coins that did way more in terms of coding..

I must admit some people get a little emotional at times, probably because for sometime DOGED was laughed at and ignored.

At the end of the day if you wanted to be anonymous, you would not be buying from places that wanted information, most likely peer to peer - if that was the case then no one would know what the payment was for anyway. The I2P wallet cannot be used via clearnet, the normal wallet can.

Its probably best to say we have different opinions on what is anonymous - is that a fair statement?

One is a privacy feature the other is transaction anonymity. I already stated my problem in the upper comment, even the developer was avoiding a straight answers and not making distinction between the 2 thus protecting the trolls.

Oh and later tried to make his point with searching for my IP through the Vanillacoin network which he failed to do resulting in more deleted comments and a personal threat. You don't see me doing those :)

This thing is turning into a mud throwing contest that neither you nor VergeDev/dogedarkDev started. You should both know better than that.

I believe some of your tweets and others were offensive (and one guy was a little racist too posting a picture of a black anus hole), but I am not here to judge you.

Let all take the high road and remember we all have a common goal and that is to grow the crypto community and deliver options to those who may not benefit from the current monetary system.

haters gonna hate hate hate hate

That pic is a classic imo!

Offensive? Yeah it all started with me being offensive and not with trolls calling people dumb who tried to counter-argument their "Verge is the anon king" tweets. Please see the OP for the first tweet calling DASH, XMR and VNL exposed. This is like the worst BuzzFeed level clickbait I've ever seen.

Any half decent dev or community would tell them to get their shit together. I'm out anyway, said what I wanted to say.

A dictator would tell their community what to say and think.

well i guess that does it.

monero/dash arent anon because theyre more expensive than some other cryptocoin.

where do i get in line to buy the next one?

To correct you, Verge is too cheap to ignore ;)

let's compete honestly

we don't need to dropped each other

you right. I bought them at 9 sat  :D

Don't like projects over 100M of total coins. This what i don't like Dogecoin and some others.
This way you one billion of coins can have 1sat and above.
This is forced capitalization with small jump you have even more false feeling of increasing demand for this coin.

Good - we're uncovering lots of stuff-the-spec-says-but-the-implementation-does-differently issues, and it is a COMPLETE pain to secure it, but I think there's a lot of good stuff coming out.

For instance, I2P's reseeding is almost entirely centralised - they have a central maintainer (as in a person) who actively maintains reseed lists!! They're basically unaware of all the stuff that Bitcoin has done on the seeding side, not through ignorance, but because change is hard.

Similarly, they have tons of RNG fallback stuff, but in 2016 the prevailing advice is "use /dev/urandom or CryptGenRandom()". This wasn't true back-in-the-day, but the implementation no longer reflects the environment.

well, hopefully when you buy that yoyo, its over i2p/tor, as clearnet isnt anon..  somehow kovri completely escaped me. im checking it out now. excellent idea, a cpp version of i2p.. at first i was going to make our qt wallets run on i2p via sam, but with i2p updating so often i thought this would be a foolish move. this does look promising, and i now have new plans for tonight.

edit: yeah this kovri project looks great fluffypony, and i see some of the i2p folks are helping out on it, im excited to play with it

Isn't it funny how a slam thread turned into a beautiful ending? Hillarious.

aw

Dev told community to pull up their socks and stop the attacks. Hopefully we can all work together for the greater benefit for the whole community.

If anyone has any non attacking tweets (if you use twitter) include @CryptoOz for a RT.

Forward on, full steam ahead!

From here forward i will no longer be posting direct questions towards other currencies. I will get on the bandwagon of working together to help make a positive impact on the crypto world.

Cheers-
Rekt

Nice ending.
Faith in the internet restored.

all depending the spread of the coins

a lot of crypto that only have a little in total coins but the price stuck and can't moving

We have talked with the developer in a PM and sorted out everything. Closing the thread.

The problem was never with him tbh, but with the trolls who attack without being clear on what the different features of different projects are trying to accomplish. Apples to oranges.