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Title: I have some money. Which ASIC should I order?
Post by: Mousepotato on January 28, 2013, 02:24:14 PM
Please forgive me, but I haven't kept up with this forum in a while, but I guess all the focus is on ASICs at this point. I've skimmed through a few threads and I understand that at least one is vaporware and a couple more are running behind schedule for release date. Much beyond that though, would require more reading than I'd care to spend on the matter, especially on my phone's tiny screen. With that being said, if I were to buy an ASIC today, which one should I get?


Title: Re: I have some money. Which ASIC should I order?
Post by: RaTTuS on January 28, 2013, 02:25:55 PM
none - just send it to my 1st bits address it will be safer


Title: Re: I have some money. Which ASIC should I order?
Post by: greyhawk on January 28, 2013, 02:29:08 PM
What you should order  ???

There's only one company even taking orders, so the question is kinda moot.


Title: Re: I have some money. Which ASIC should I order?
Post by: Mousepotato on January 28, 2013, 02:29:23 PM
none - just send it to my 1st bits address it will be safer

That's what I was afraid of :(


Title: Re: I have some money. Which ASIC should I order?
Post by: Mousepotato on January 28, 2013, 02:30:21 PM
What you should order  ???

There's only one company even taking orders, so the question is kinda moot.

Thanks. That falls under the third sentence of my original post :)


Title: Re: I have some money. Which ASIC should I order?
Post by: dree12 on January 28, 2013, 02:35:11 PM
What you should order  ???

There's only one company even taking orders, so the question is kinda moot.

Thanks. That falls under the third sentence of my original post :)

Here are the companies that originally planned to sell ASIC:

Avalon: Released & Shipped, but not taking orders.
bASIC: Cancelled & Refund in progress.
BFL: Planning on release and taking new orders.
Deepbit: Cancelled & Refund in progress.


Title: Re: I have some money. Which ASIC should I order?
Post by: John (John K.) on January 28, 2013, 02:35:42 PM
I'd suggest you wait and see. The tides are troubled.


Title: Re: I have some money. Which ASIC should I order?
Post by: phantastisch on January 28, 2013, 02:41:55 PM
What you should order  ???

There's only one company even taking orders, so the question is kinda moot.

Thanks. That falls under the third sentence of my original post :)

Here are the companies that originally planned to sell ASIC:

Avalon: Released & Shipped, but not taking orders.
bASIC: Cancelled & Refund in progress.
BFL: Planning on release and taking new orders.
Deepbit: Cancelled & Refund in progress.

Asicminer : Is working to bring 10 TH to the Network in February *fingerscrossed* .Second Batch ordered.  Is still planning to sell at a later stage.


Title: Re: I have some money. Which ASIC should I order?
Post by: spiccioli on January 28, 2013, 02:48:45 PM
BTW,

http://blockexplorer.com/q/estimate

nearly one million more in difficulty in last couple of hours... is there some asic online right now?

spiccioli


Title: Re: I have some money. Which ASIC should I order?
Post by: Beta-coiner1 on January 28, 2013, 03:33:47 PM

Here are the companies that originally planned to sell ASIC:

Avalon: Released & Shipped, but not taking orders.
bASIC: Cancelled & Refund in progress.
BFL: Planning on release and taking new orders.
Deepbit: Cancelled & Refund in progress.
Thanks for lowdown.I haven't followed the Drama concerning this.


Title: Re: I have some money. Which ASIC should I order?
Post by: Korbman on January 28, 2013, 03:48:30 PM
BTW,

http://blockexplorer.com/q/estimate

nearly one million more in difficulty in last couple of hours... is there some asic online right now?

spiccioli


Probably a fluke? Hash rate has been jumping between 20-23 TH/s, which is completely normal..

EDIT: It also dropped from a 1 million increase to .5 million since I first looked


Title: Re: I have some money. Which ASIC should I order?
Post by: spiccioli on January 28, 2013, 04:45:20 PM

Probably a fluke? Hash rate has been jumping between 20-23 TH/s, which is completely normal..

Yeah, probably a big fluke... :)

spiccioli


Title: Re: I have some money. Which ASIC should I order?
Post by: GenTarkin on January 28, 2013, 04:59:04 PM
Dont order any yet... wait till they are no longer vaporware then order... thats the safer thing to do anyways.


Title: Re: I have some money. Which ASIC should I order?
Post by: crazyates on January 28, 2013, 05:03:07 PM
Yeah, probably a big fluke... :)

spiccioli
Current diff is ~3.44 million. Estimated next diff is ~3.39 million. Bitcoin Charts (http://bitcoin.sipa.be/) don't show anything out of the ordinary. I think it'll be a lil more obvious than this when ASICs do hit.


Title: Re: I have some money. Which ASIC should I order?
Post by: spiccioli on January 28, 2013, 05:42:31 PM
Yeah, probably a big fluke... :)

spiccioli
Current diff is ~3.44 million. Estimated next diff is ~3.39 million. Bitcoin Charts (http://bitcoin.sipa.be/) don't show anything out of the ordinary. I think it'll be a lil more obvious than this when ASICs do hit.

sure crazyates, but a couple hours ago it was at 3.87 million from current 2.9 million...

spiccioli


Title: Re: I have some money. Which ASIC should I order?
Post by: Mousepotato on January 28, 2013, 06:33:10 PM
Thanks for the feedback, guys. I'll just wait it out for now. It'd be nice to be able to make 1 BTC/day again!


Title: Re: I have some money. Which ASIC should I order?
Post by: crazyates on January 28, 2013, 06:48:18 PM
Yeah, probably a big fluke... :)

spiccioli
Current diff is ~3.44 million. Estimated next diff is ~3.39 million. Bitcoin Charts (http://bitcoin.sipa.be/) don't show anything out of the ordinary. I think it'll be a lil more obvious than this when ASICs do hit.
sure crazyates, but a couple hours ago it was at 3.87 million from current 2.9 million...

spiccioli
Wait, what? You trying to say the current diff was 2.9 million a couple hours ago, and now it's 3.4 million? The current diff was calculated on the 23rd.


Title: Re: I have some money. Which ASIC should I order?
Post by: dree12 on January 28, 2013, 06:50:02 PM
Yeah, probably a big fluke... :)

spiccioli
Current diff is ~3.44 million. Estimated next diff is ~3.39 million. Bitcoin Charts (http://bitcoin.sipa.be/) don't show anything out of the ordinary. I think it'll be a lil more obvious than this when ASICs do hit.
sure crazyates, but a couple hours ago it was at 3.87 million from current 2.9 million...

spiccioli
Wait, what? You trying to say the current diff was 2.9 million a couple hours ago, and now it's 3.4 million? The current diff was calculated on the 23rd.

Current diff is 2968775. I don't think spiccioli ever said 3.4 million, that was probably your mistake.


Title: Re: I have some money. Which ASIC should I order?
Post by: Korbman on January 28, 2013, 06:58:02 PM
Current diff is 2968775. I don't think spiccioli ever said 3.4 million, that was probably your mistake.

No, he was right before. The 'estimate' link above had it around 3.7m, and then down to 3.4 when I looked again. Seems to be back down to 2.9m where it belongs.


Title: Re: I have some money. Which ASIC should I order?
Post by: dree12 on January 28, 2013, 07:03:44 PM
Current diff is 2968775. I don't think spiccioli ever said 3.4 million, that was probably your mistake.

No, he was right before. The 'estimate' link above had it around 3.7m, and then down to 3.4 when I looked again. Seems to be back down to 2.9m where it belongs.

That's my point. Spiccioli seems to be correct here. Crazyates must have gotten some numbers mixed up.


Title: Re: I have some money. Which ASIC should I order?
Post by: crazyates on January 28, 2013, 07:16:35 PM
Current diff is 2968775. I don't think spiccioli ever said 3.4 million, that was probably your mistake.
No, he was right before. The 'estimate' link above had it around 3.7m, and then down to 3.4 when I looked again. Seems to be back down to 2.9m where it belongs.
That's my point. Spiccioli seems to be correct here. Crazyates must have gotten some numbers mixed up.
Ya I'm getting mixed up. The diff is 2.9 million. But right now, http://blockexplorer.com/q/getdifficulty says that it's 3.37 million, which is different than the 3.44 million it was telling me a few minutes ago. Something's not right. :P


Title: Re: I have some money. Which ASIC should I order?
Post by: greyhawk on January 28, 2013, 07:21:01 PM
Was that thing EVER correct? Whenever I read about it, it's always spewing out tomorrow's weather or the lottery numbers or something.


Title: Re: I have some money. Which ASIC should I order?
Post by: crazyates on January 28, 2013, 07:25:52 PM
Was that thing EVER correct? Whenever I read about it, it's always spewing out tomorrow's weather or the lottery numbers or something.
I don't know about that. But when you google "Bitcoin current difficulty" and the first two results are that site and the wiki pointing to that site, I just went with it.


Title: Re: I have some money. Which ASIC should I order?
Post by: crazy_rabbit on January 28, 2013, 08:22:14 PM
At this point, OP should just build their own ASIC.  :-\


Title: Re: I have some money. Which ASIC should I order?
Post by: greyhawk on January 28, 2013, 08:24:12 PM
At this point, OP should just build their own ASIC.  :-\

If I remember her right, she'd probably could do this too.


Title: Re: I have some money. Which ASIC should I order?
Post by: noncecents on January 29, 2013, 01:17:09 AM
Here's my two nonce:

BTCFPGA - Gone tits up, issuing refunds as fast as they can. I have received my refund.

Avalon - This is obviously a scam.

DeepBit - Failed project, possibly also a scam.

Butterfly Labs - In regular communication with their customers. If I were buying now, I'd buy with them. I have an order with them that I have not requested a refund for.

If you are going to buy an ASIC, remember it's just for the adventure/academic pursuit of participating in the Bitcoin phenomena. Do not be fooled into using Bitcoin as an investment.


Title: Re: I have some money. Which ASIC should I order?
Post by: opentoe on January 29, 2013, 04:17:41 AM
Here's my two nonce:

BTCFPGA - Gone tits up, issuing refunds as fast as they can. I have received my refund.

Avalon - This is obviously a scam.

DeepBit - Failed project, possibly also a scam.

Butterfly Labs - In regular communication with their customers. If I were buying now, I'd buy with them. I have an order with them that I have not requested a refund for.

If you are going to buy an ASIC, remember it's just for the adventure/academic pursuit of participating in the Bitcoin phenomena. Do not be fooled into using Bitcoin as an investment.

Avalon is a scam? What makes you say that?


Title: Re: I have some money. Which ASIC should I order?
Post by: mrb on January 29, 2013, 05:57:12 AM
Yeah, probably a big fluke... :)

spiccioli
Current diff is ~3.44 million. Estimated next diff is ~3.39 million. Bitcoin Charts (http://bitcoin.sipa.be/) don't show anything out of the ordinary. I think it'll be a lil more obvious than this when ASICs do hit.

sure crazyates, but a couple hours ago it was at 3.87 million from current 2.9 million...

This happens all the time. Look at the Bitcoin Charts link he posted. In the last week, the 8-hour average varied from 2.5 to 4 million, the 24-hour average varied from 2.8 to 3.4 million, etc. This is just normal statistical variation. Not a fluke.


Title: Re: I have some money. Which ASIC should I order?
Post by: ElectricMucus on January 29, 2013, 06:16:07 AM
Weren't you one of loudest complaining monkeys during the pirate fiasco?  ::)


Title: Re: I have some money. Which ASIC should I order?
Post by: crazyates on January 29, 2013, 05:00:31 PM
Weren't you one of loudest complaining monkeys during the pirate fiasco?  ::)
I can't figure out who you're talking about.


Title: Re: I have some money. Which ASIC should I order?
Post by: ElectricMucus on January 29, 2013, 09:12:13 PM
Weren't you one of loudest complaining monkeys during the pirate fiasco?  ::)
I can't figure out who you're talking about.

It was directed at Mousepotato.


Title: Re: I have some money. Which ASIC should I order?
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on January 29, 2013, 09:20:05 PM
Order from BFL, for Team Avalon are scammers: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139725.0

If they are not, I have invited them to sue me for libel. I'm good for at least a hundred grand, which would help in them sourcing some transistors.


Title: Re: I have some money. Which ASIC should I order?
Post by: 2112 on January 29, 2013, 09:53:24 PM
Somebody with user id "tytus" had just kinda-sorta announced a Bitcoin-related ASIC project in a reply to me. The business is called picobits.com http://www.picostocks.com and is located in Poland and Marshall Islands.

I wrote many times already that SHA-2 is essentially self-testing and one of the cheapest possible to test. Anyone claiming otherwise is incompetent or deceiving.

"Cheap" does not mean it is free. You have to plan the test in the project and order it. How else can You do a "self-test" on few thousand chips from 6 engineering run wafers?

I need to quote the signature too because it looks like the author is going to solicit money himself. It may be worth to keep eye on his business.
Quote from: tytus
PicoStocks.com, High-tech startup fundraising, evaluation and profit sharing

Correct. We are also working on an ASIC chip.

Edit: corrected the stupid typo in the business name at the top.

Edit2: preserving the contact info from their web page.
Quote
The platform is operated by Picostocks Incorporated, Trust Company Complex, Ajeltake Road, Ajeltake Island, Majuro, Marshall Islands MH96960.
The IPO office is operated by BioInfoBank, Sw. Marcin 80/82 lok. 355, 61-809 Poznan, Poland.
E-mail: contact@picostocks.com
Phone: +48 618653520
Fax: +48 223001563


Title: Re: I have some money. Which ASIC should I order?
Post by: phantastisch on January 29, 2013, 10:37:30 PM
Somebody with user id "tytus" had just kinda-sorta announced a Bitcoin-related ASIC project in a reply to me. The business is called and is located in Poland and Marshall Islands.

I wrote many times already that SHA-2 is essentially self-testing and one of the cheapest possible to test. Anyone claiming otherwise is incompetent or deceiving.

"Cheap" does not mean it is free. You have to plan the test in the project and order it. How else can You do a "self-test" on few thousand chips from 6 engineering run wafers?

I need to quote the signature too because it looks like the author is going to solicit money himself. It may be worth to keep eye on his business.
Quote from: tytus
PicoStocks.com, High-tech startup fundraising, evaluation and profit sharing

Correct. We are also working on an ASIC chip.

Are you sure that pico*****.com and picostocks.com are affiliated ? Because if thats true i'm gonna go get some popcorn.


Title: Re: I have some money. Which ASIC should I order?
Post by: 2112 on January 29, 2013, 10:47:28 PM
Are you sure that picobits.com and picostocks.com are affiliated ? Because if thats true i'm gonna go get some popcorn.
Thank you very much for catching my typing mistake. I'm going to fix my previous message.


Title: Re: I have some money. Which ASIC should I order?
Post by: phantastisch on January 29, 2013, 10:54:02 PM
Are you sure that picobits.com and picostocks.com are affiliated ? Because if thats true i'm gonna go get some popcorn.
Thank you very much for catching my typing mistake. I'm going to fix my previous message.
I edited accordingly.