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The size of the unit itself may be the part that gets you into trouble with your own customers.

Heh.

It will hopefully be funny when the review comes out and BFLs size becomes it's biggest limitation. (assuming it doesn't also overheat in that little clam-shell of a box)

EDIT: BFL forums is down? Perhaps they ran for the hills??

Hahahaha now that's comedy gold - cause all you have to sell are boxes with fans :D

Yes, because this makes sense.  Do you even read what you write?  We offer a box that's a bit over 92mm square and 75mm high, compared to a 4U minitower and somehow people will be pissed? Right...


As of right now, it's a hell of a lot more than Avalon has.

Yes, my good sir, exactly correct.

Really?

I suppose we shall soon know, right?  ;D

Well of course you are the expert when it comes to filling a box with fans and then selling it for a hefty price.  :D

Yes, really.  Have you seen an Avalon in real life?  Plenty of people have seen OUR box of fans in real life.  No one has yet seen an Avalon in person.  So yes, we have more than Avalon currently.

I mean, shit, our box of fans has 18 fans, a power supply, a Nexus 7 tablet and some trays to put your pies on (to cool them with the fans of course) ... what's Avalon got?  A picture of two fans and what appears to be a power supply and a few sheets of metal and some screws.

Whats hilarious is you could fit 6 of these avalon units inside that empty box you call a mini rig, lol Inaba.
If you goal is to be the most bitter and pathetic PR person in PR history Id say your currently tied with Matthew N Wright.

Im just waiting for your explosively sooky exit - when Sonny does his exit plan leaving you the gullible front man on the hook for it all., Im picturing runny nose and tears streaming from your face as you attempt to hide from the world in an empty mini rig box screaming "WEAVE ME AWONE".

I have to agree with that! :)
Yours at least has a phone inside, and theirs is empty  ::)

Sorry mem, among your other mental illnesses is your ability to gauge size.  The minirig SC, which is 1.5 TH is the same size as the Avalon unit, which is 66 GH.  Actually, I think the minirig might even be smaller than the Avalon unit.  Now THAT's funny.

interesting point. in terms of released info, BFL would seem ahead (if avalon units aren't shipped).

In terms of size, at this point all people want is the power. 2, 3 gens into this technology and both companies will be performing to size/heat specs. right now, its about which $XXX gets the most GH/s soonest

BFL minirig SC (1.50 TeraCFM) That is a lot of fans to fit into such a small volume. I'm not sure you have the chops.  ;D

At any rate... thanks for creating a new thread for all the trolling/bullshit, much appreciated.

Really?

At CES you had a box of fans with a power supply attached. Just metal spacers and fans at an expensive booth worth a few thousand.

At least Avalon has fans + metal box + a power supply and working ASIC chips.

Avalon has shown pictures of their device. So did BFL.
Avalon showed their fab contract. BFL never did.
Avalon has shown a box with fans and a power supply including boards populated with ASICs.

BFL showed a box with fans and a power supply, no ASICs. Oh wait, no, I am wrong about this. Actually they did show ASIC prototypes that didn't work. They originally showed a prototype board.

When someone noticed the chips were blown, you called them a myriad of names for implying they weren't any good....a few weeks later in October BitCoinINV filed a complaint with the general attorney and that forced BFL to respond with information that they didn't yet have a working prototype.

Then adding to the humiliation, you were forced to admit that the ASICs you had shown did not in fact work. People had a field day laughing about that.

Did you apologize to the people you called all manner of names? No.

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Avalon is in a better position than you imagine. They showed their contract papers for their order of ASIC chips. A little over a month later, they had pictures of working ASICs that have shipped. They even named some of the first recipients by name.

BFL? Their ASICs have been recooked several times (and several wafers thrown out) and they still don't work right. Certainly not well enough to be used by their customers as intended.

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Unless you want to redefine what is "proof". I suggest you back down and check the absurd attitude.

Am I having a ridiculous nonsensical argument with the head of PR at BFL? You bet your ass I am!


If real life extends to photography, then yes.

What a ridiculous position to take. Do customs officials count? What about the developers who made the device?

When Jeff gets his rig, I guess that means that you no longer have that argument to stand behind, correct?

http://i45.tinypic.com/o10irs.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/34pf8ec.jpgFamed words uttered by Josh when asked about his thirty thousand dollar
"Box with Fans"®.





Well, I wasn't aware you were in the business of selling a $100 tablet for $30,000 dollars. Now you describe it as a pie holder. Perhaps your sanity is already at risk?[/b][/color]Then again, perhaps you are just missing some nuts and bolts from your mental casing? [Speculation]

They have?  Can you point to a picture that wasn't supplied by Avalon?  You can't?  Oh, then you're full of shit.


Yes, because we have shown actual chips before Avalon ever showed their contract, so it's kind of moot, isn't it?


No they haven't.  They have shown a "picture" of what they claim is this.  We have actually SHOWN this... there is a difference.


False.  BitcoinINV filed a complaint because he's a whiny attention whoring bitch.  He never asked for a refund, which we would have given.  He just wanted attention and the Attorney General did nothing but laugh at his complaint and send him a form letter.


The only one laughing is the BFL clown posse. Waaaa... how's your Avalon hashing for you?  Oh, what's that? You don't have one?  I guess you're full of shit.


Right, so I show you a piece of paper and all is well?  Get real you lying sack of shit.


I suggest you check what proof is.  A photograph, according to you, is not proof. But wait, it IS proof when it's the device YOU have ordered.  Haha, but deep down you know you ordered a piece of shit and now you are a sad panda. It's ok little man, you'll get your giant 4U chassis full of chips soon enough, I am sure.  Have fun stacking those things in your basement, especially in that hot Texas sun this summer.  I could literally stack up 16 BFL Single SC units, providing nearly 1 TH of hasing in the same volume and a bit more power than the space your one Avalon unit takes up.  You go on and enjoy that, heh.


Yes you are, for sure.  You are the master of nonsense and bullshit.



PuertoLibre: But but!  But!  When Avalon ships you'll be sorry!  Yes you will! You'll be so sorry!  You'll see!  

Baloney. All pictures even those used by Bitcoin magazine were provided by BFL.

Moot point indeed.

You showed blown chips. Chips that didn't work as intended.

You seem to miss the obvious points.


No, there isn't.

Look, no blown ASIC chips!

http://i47.tinypic.com/35cftwh.png

(Someone please post that first pic released by BFL, the one with blown chips.

http://i47.tinypic.com/35cftwh.png That is your artistic interpretation. I reject your interpretation.

http://i50.tinypic.com/b991kx.jpg

http://i48.tinypic.com/24fyddj.jpg
BFL's first picture of their ASICs. Later revealed that it was non-functional (Blown) ASIC chips.

Until:

---Jeff receives his unit. Then reviews it
---Avalon miners receive theirs.
---Avalon customers post copious photos and videos online. Much to BFL's detriment.

At that point you just "magically" turn into an irate Rep with a bad attitude and load of chips and a history of ASICs that never quite worked right over something....like 120 days..

I feel sorry for you.

You seem to be emotionally invested in this argument.

I know that was a sensitive spot in your armor and reputation.  :D

I never remarked on that on this forum. You have pulled that from between thy cheeks.

Projecting unto others?

Interesting.

I believe the joke may be on you when you realize why it is so big. ;)

<chuckled a bit there>

By the way, 4U refers to height in a Server Rack.

That is why you take moment of your life to answer my messages.

What if you just didn't...I wonder what would happen?


It is a bit of a surprise, my angry friend. ;)

Oh, so the picture you are so fond of trotting out with me in the back ground at CES was supplied by BFL?  Good to know.  Idiot.


Your point being?  Has Avalon shown working chips?  What's that?  They haven't?  Guess you're full of shit.


That's fine, you're good at rejecting facts.  God forbid reality get in the way of your delusions.


Love your waffling.  "UNTIL!"  OMG!!  Yes, until indeed.  So far, nothing, nada... not even a tracking number, which you think someone would have after spending $400 to ship 1 unit.

What's even funnier is by the time all the Avalon first batch customers receive their units, it looks like BFL's units will already be in our customers hands.  Yeah, Avalon's fake "shipping" on the 21st is working out well.  A week later and nothing has shown up anywhere, not even a tracking number.


Yes, you do seem emotionally invested in it.  You are defending a company that has:

A) Designed an exceptionally inferior product
B) Purchased said product
C) No one has received said product
D) No one has received a tracking number
E) No one has received the product for review, even a test unit

Basically, you have paid for the same service you are bitching about BFL for, but you've paid for an inferior product.  Yeah, and I'm emotionally invested.



Oh, I wait with bated breath to learn why it's so big.  Oh wait, we already know... they use 110nm process and require a ton of chips and power, and all the associated cooling that goes with it.  There's likely more than one board in that chassis.  What is your point you are trying to make (besides the one on the top of your head) with regards to 4U?  Are you seriously trying to deny the fact that the Avalon unit is 4U high?  Seriously?  Look at the PSU... a PSU on it's side is, wait for it... almost 4U high.  Add in the height of the top and bottom panels and you have, you guessed it, a 4U high monstrosity.  Duh.  Idiot.


Nothing would happen.  You would be forgotten, because you provide zero value to this world, much less Bitcointalk.  Your sole existence appears is focused around responding to messages on Bitcointalk, for which you do not get paid and have no vested interest in.  You have an unnatural, unhealthy fixation on me and the company I work for.  You can't resist responding to the majority of the posts I make and you continually manufacture false information and lies to somehow figure a way to insert yourself into the conversation.  It makes no matter that your lies are transparent, easily disproved or otherwise blatantly and obviously false.  You don't care, you just want the attention and to feel special for being part of the conversation.  Like I said in the past, I get paid to be here.. it's my job, what is your excuse?

I wonder what would happen indeed?



You keep saying this. I don't think you understand what anger is.  Take a moment of self reflection and you might understand it better... or maybe that's just self loathing you feel.  Either way, it makes no matter.  You're here, flinging about bullshit and lies.  I'm here, destroying your bullshit repeatedly.  I get paid to do it, you are doing it because you are too stupid to realize nearly everything you write is ridiculous.

*sighs*

Josh are you an elementary school kid?

Seriously, you aren't even trying to "win" this argument. I feel incredible pity.

This is a troll thread (so I'm livin' it up) and there's nothing to win.. you post bullshit constantly. You have a pathological inability to post facts without inserting your false information.  Stop posting bullshit and we won't have anything to talk about.  Unfortunately, I doubt you can resist posting lies and crap.

Did I touch a nerve, poor little guy?  You must live such a sad life, I'd say I feel pit for you, but I don't.  You're nothing but trash and your fate in life is of your own making.

I find it curious that you keep wanting so desperately for me to be "angry."  Is it because you are angry and you can't bear the thought of me not also being angry?  Do you bang out reply after reply, trying so desperately to be a part of something?  Is that why you're angry and want to project that on to everyone else?  I mean, look at you.  Posting the same pictures over and over in a desperate attempt to legitimize your laughingly penned missives towards me. Too bad no one is buying it and you continue your sad little existence, trying in vain to be someone.

Strangely enough, when I don't even see him try anymore it just doesn't move me to bother.

When you start to realize that someone must really believe their own bullshit or is desperate enough to cover for what they know is their own bullshit...thats kinda sad.

Here I am wasting my time posting pictures to support all these petty arguments...and all he retorts with is utter baseless crap.

If I actually took time to delete all the crap out of his post, you would notice how little substance he actually responds with. What "fun" or sustained interest can one have in that? He doesn't even try anymore.

He used to try...but now he just seemingly always goes down the road of calling people name in the hopes that it'll somehow be true. I am wasting my time.

If there was something of entertainment value then I would justify the effort...but even I am not feeling justified anymore. Inaba is damn boring now. It is like beating a dead horse.

Take a look: (I whited it out when it was useless crap)


See nothing of substance.

Let me do the post before that next.

Here are a few pictures and a video (http://codinginmysleep.com/coding-in-my-sleep-goes-to-ces/) supplied by me - just an attendee of CES and in no way affiliated with BFL - of the "boxes with fans" we're all so fond of. I'm not even going to try to argue any of the other points, just to point out that the idea that the only time anyone has seen cases, boards, heatsinks etc - the stuff that BFL has released shots of so far - are in BFL-released pictures is patently ridiculous. Julian (TuxAvant) even talked BFL into letting him keep the empty cases for the Jalapeno and Single SC so if you happen to be near Vegas you can come physically lay hands on them if you'd like.

Look I whited out the useless crap...because you can argue points of fact. But how do you argue with endless insults?

You can't, therefore it is boring. There is nothing of substance to chew on in an insult filled post.

Actually you are describing BFL.


He didn't seemingly understand what my comment meant.

Not really much to say in light of his (pretty obvious) misunderstanding.

I also can;t clue him in on anything so that part of the argument needs to be kept quiet until reviews leak out. He is a bit slow on the uptake.

I suppose he thinks he is calm and collected?

Or perhaps he is just using page turning techniques?

What is you actual point?

That people were exposed to the [incomplete] products at CES? (that is kinda obvious)

Why is that enlightening exactly?

More to the point, why should anyone care? BFL has people photograph it at CES. Alright...yippee?

What does that prove exactly? There are no ASICs inside so they took a chunk of metal and PCB home with them. That is nice I guess....?

Tell me if I missed the important point somewhere?

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I am not denying (unlike other retards) that BFL has hardware. It just isn't a functional ASIC up to this date. End of Story.

Why I should be impressed that the FIRST pictures not released by BFL came out of CES 2013 is a mystery to me. What exactly does that prove??

Or did I miss the shock and awe of the point being made Josh?

Why do people think the Nexus 7 is a phone?

Looking back and tracing this wierd tangent, it came from Inaba.

Look third party people took photos of our boxes of fans. See! We are totally ahead of Avalon in credibility!

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I wasn't aware that the metal and boxes of fans being photographed by third party would somehow boost a companies credibility. I thought that wasn't even in question that the cases and fans existed.

The tangent is illogical to me as it seems like a stupid point to bring up. But then again, it is Inaba at it again.

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If a photograph is snapped of an Avalon outside the lab does it make it more "real"? No, unless you are calling into question whether the metal box of fans is photo-shopped or something.

What does add credibility is whether the device is turned on and benchmarked independently and called a "functional product" that works "as expected".

Sure BFL has had lots of photos. I didn't much care where the photos originated from. As the issue was the lack of functional ASICs.

I thought that was the logical point of discussion as to whom is further  than BFL in that race.

Suddenly Inaba jump out in a tangent saying (paraphrased) "Oh! But our cases have been photographed by third parties! Not all our photos are from us."

Uh, alright, and I would  care who took the photograph  of a box of fans.....because?

(Doesn't that point seem strangely illogical to bring up or was that a ball of smoke?

No, that doesn't really fit well at all.

A) BFL wins on power usage (and therefore longterm profitability) hands down.
B) Only this fits
C, D and E) The difference here is that Avalon claims to have shipped, but somehow has no tracking numbers. They also could have delivered to local customers already...but have not. BFL is claiming to have not shipped.

@PuertoLibre.....do you have a wife? Girlfriend? Or any friends...or a life? Just curious cause your always here trolling/talking shit.

No place for a wife or friends in a rubber room.
Just plenty of time and internet access it seems.

Can we possibly wait till BFL actually *HAS* a power spec to determine this? Must we cover the company's history of erroneous power claims again? To summarize...it sucks.

You two have any idea how pathetic this is? Hard to believe you are grown up men.

So far...I've seen a metal box with fans & a powersupply,BFL did that too  :P  A contract,hmmm ok & not much else..............

No tracking # for shipped devices...WTF??? Really??? Had I had an order with Avalon & they said "they're shipping!!!! woohoo!!!!" & I never got a tracking # or email about MY unit shipping.......
I'd be one PISSED off mofo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's a good thing they are in China,its way too far for most anyone to drive there to give them a "piece of thier mind"  :P

BFL on the other hand,$100 in gas & 14 hrs,I'm at thier door  :P (I don't own or handle guns,so no worries there,folks  ;) )

The double standard for Avalon's BFL type behaviour is very amusing  :D

I really wish you Avalon customers the best of luck though,here's hoping they've really shipped a product  ;)

Inaba, how much to pay you to take your trolling circus to the next town? BFL can't be paying you that much just for this "expertise", and you don't have much else to offer a company like that, so start talking offers. Seriously, I can help you out here.

I missed out on all this because I didn't troll hard enough?

Damn you, gmaxwell, damn you.

Inaba always tries to answer correctly and constructive words in this and other forums.

The BFL is not a "ghost or virtual company"!!!!!! Till now what they have announced was always true.
1) They made FPGA -> lot of you say that's a SCAM - It wasn't
2) They are going to build our future with ASIC -> again lot of you still say IT'S A SCAM! It's not!

I will only write this: Think 1000 times before You write nonsense words.

 ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

That post would be cute. Only you are the known scammer trying to act as a Slovenian BFL reseller. So it's not that cute.

I love this thread It should be called:
Scammer vs. Scammer
FIGHT!

aka "this user is currently ignored"

THIS * INFINITY

Where is the infamous (with his words) BFL rep?

http://i45.tinypic.com/o10irs.jpg

VS.

http://i47.tinypic.com/f9pgd3.jpg

I don't think he has been back here since the first Avalon went online.

Interesting...that's what my room would look like had I bought all Avalon units instead of BFL ones :P

If & when BFL ever actually ships any ASIC products their products will have to meet huge expectations as well.

Wasn't their last delay allegedly because they were too incompetent inexperienced to recognize that plastic is a poor heat conductor and therefore plastic packaging is a bad idea for their application? Maybe it was a couple delays ago, I can't even keep track of their excuses anymore.

You had it right the first time with incompetent :D

I'm trying to go easy on Josh, he has anger issues and it's been a rough week with Avalon shipping and ASICMiner apparently ready to come online within days. If only I knew where to ship this case of antacids. :D

You mean that you will have an empty room?

Oh snap! *BA DUM, Tish (http://www.badum-tish.com/)*

An empty room with fans ;D

Just say it, you are afraid for your life.  :o

and Im back but it seems BFL has not progressed any further.

Soo Josh any updates enough wild Avalon in the wild ?
Any pics of Bfl Asics and test results ?

It's possible that Bowzer's cookies are not enabled.

http://rubmint.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-o-matic/cache/9b88a_60cab010-c1aa-4723-ab45-f7af9fa161ae.jpg

LOL ^^