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Title: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: magnific61 on March 14, 2016, 06:12:42 PM
Russian President Putin ordered that Russian Forces will retreat from Syria tomorrow Kremlin declared.


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: Fortify on March 14, 2016, 06:54:56 PM
Fighting wars is expensive and if chaos breaks loose even more refugees will flood Europe. Win-win for Mr. Putin.


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: criptix on March 14, 2016, 07:13:48 PM
Fighting wars is expensive and if chaos breaks loose even more refugees will flood Europe. Win-win for Mr. Putin.

Funny that russian bombs were one of the causes for the refugee wave.

I really dont understand why putin did that. There must have been something big behind the curtains for that decision to be made.
Russian troops in syria was putins ace not sure why he is giving it up.


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: TECSHARE on March 14, 2016, 07:25:20 PM
Fighting wars is expensive and if chaos breaks loose even more refugees will flood Europe. Win-win for Mr. Putin.

Funny that russian bombs were one of the causes for the refugee wave.

I really dont understand why putin did that. There must have been something big behind the curtains for that decision to be made.
Russian troops in syria was putins ace not sure why he is giving it up.

Because he is smart enough not to get bogged down in the middle east. This has been a problem for Russia in the past. IMO the US strategy was to get him to sap Russia's forces and funding in Syria fighting proxy wars so that the US can make easier ground in places like Ukraine and Georgia. He went in, fucked up USA's proxy forces, then got out. He is a brilliant military strategist IMO.


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: bitbunnny on March 14, 2016, 07:28:15 PM
I just saw that on the news. Putin wants to get out of this mess while he can. That also costs him a lot and he is not doing very well, economy in Russia suffers a lot.


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: bitsmichel on March 14, 2016, 07:52:54 PM
Fighting wars is expensive and if chaos breaks loose even more refugees will flood Europe. Win-win for Mr. Putin.
Refugees also enter Russian territory.  ::) Only governmental difference, Russian Federation doesn't give them Asylum


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: Iseecookies on March 14, 2016, 08:23:34 PM
Thats a interesting development and reason for this besides knowing when he is fighting a losing battle?
Turkey must be causing some issues that they do not want to get involved in or something else needing more attention in the globe.


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: Balthazar on March 14, 2016, 08:46:54 PM
Funny that russian bombs were one of the causes for the refugee wave.
I really dont understand why putin did that.
Everybody is able to google some newspaper headlines, compare the dates and find out that you're lying deliberately. Go and try to find fools elsewhere, please.

Refugees also enter Russian territory.  ::) Only governmental difference, Russian Federation doesn't give them Asylum
It does and UN confirms that more than 900k refugees were accepted since 2014. The only difference here is that, unlike in the EU, you have to behave properly to keep your refugee status. Historically, there is no problem with deportations. And the threat of deportation isn't the only issue (http://madworldnews.com/refugees-molest-russian-club/).


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: galdur on March 15, 2016, 03:32:31 AM
They´re only pulling out part of their forces. They´ve achieved their objective as regards the Latakia area so special forces there and equipment aren´t needed anymore. I think they´re keeping most of the planes in theatre.


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: Iseecookies on March 15, 2016, 03:38:22 AM
That makes more sense, a complete pull out would not help the Syrian regime gain more control.


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: galdur on March 15, 2016, 03:54:23 AM
That makes more sense, a complete pull out would not help the Syrian regime gain more control.

At any rate they´ll have plenty of firepower left in Syria and at the ready from naval units in the Mediterranean and the Caspian Sea.


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: techgeek on March 15, 2016, 05:03:02 AM
Fighting wars is expensive and if chaos breaks loose even more refugees will flood Europe. Win-win for Mr. Putin.

Funny that russian bombs were one of the causes for the refugee wave.

I really dont understand why putin did that. There must have been something big behind the curtains for that decision to be made.
Russian troops in syria was putins ace not sure why he is giving it up.

Its always about money.

If not why would we start these things? its a behind of the scene act for sure, just like how we were supposed to pull out our troops long time ago.

War needs enough reason for good business then screwing everyone local in that country basically as history follows.



Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: clickerz on March 15, 2016, 07:01:31 AM
This is a good news so that the tension will not escalate into a world war. I have relatives working in middle east and this tension causes more concern among family members. Hope that this problem will be resolved soon.


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: galdur on March 15, 2016, 10:42:46 AM
Russia plans to leave its S-400 air defense missile systems in Syria to protect its remaining military contingent. Read more:

http://tass.ru/en/defense/862425


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: bryant.coleman on March 15, 2016, 10:54:11 AM
Fighting wars is expensive and if chaos breaks loose even more refugees will flood Europe. Win-win for Mr. Putin.
Refugees also enter Russian territory.  ::) Only governmental difference, Russian Federation doesn't give them Asylum

Stop your BS.

Till now, tens of thousands of Syrian refugees have arrived in Russia. A few thousand of them applied for the refugee status, and most of them received it. The remainder were not happy with the welfare benefit system in Russia, and therefore they moved on to other countries such as Norway, Poland, Finland, Sweden, and Denmark.


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: magnific61 on March 15, 2016, 11:12:13 AM
Fighting wars is expensive and if chaos breaks loose even more refugees will flood Europe. Win-win for Mr. Putin.
Refugees also enter Russian territory.  ::) Only governmental difference, Russian Federation doesn't give them Asylum

Stop your BS.

Till now, tens of thousands of Syrian refugees have arrived in Russia. A few thousand of them applied for the refugee status, and most of them received it. The remainder were not happy with the welfare benefit system in Russia, and therefore they moved on to other countries such as Norway, Poland, Finland, Sweden, and Denmark.
But you can easily throw mud  to the country which has more than 3 million refugees. Russia has accepted. thousands of refugees! Pfff!  Before accepting refugees, stop killing them by airstrikes.


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: bryant.coleman on March 15, 2016, 11:25:21 AM
But you can easily throw mud  to the country which has more than 3 million refugees. Russia has accepted. thousands of refugees! Pfff!  Before accepting refugees, stop killing them by airstrikes.

You are not keeping the 2.7 million from Syria for free. The European Union has already provided you with € 6 billion in funds, and another € 14 billion is on its way. On the other hand, Russia is currently hosting some 3 million Ukrainians, who have fled the civil war in that country. The Russian tax payers are paying for the upkeep of these refugees, not the EU.


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: magnific61 on March 15, 2016, 11:31:23 AM
But you can easily throw mud  to the country which has more than 3 million refugees. Russia has accepted. thousands of refugees! Pfff!  Before accepting refugees, stop killing them by airstrikes.

You are not keeping the 2.7 million from Syria for free. The European Union has already provided you with € 6 billion in funds, and another € 14 billion is on its way. On the other hand, Russia is currently hosting some 3 million Ukrainians, who have fled the civil war in that country. The Russian tax payers are paying for the upkeep of these refugees, not the EU.

European Union did not pay even 1 penny for refugees. They just decided to pay a 3 billion avro fund for Tutkey to hold refugees in its border. But that fund has not been paid yet. By the way,  Turkey has so many refugees since war began (5 years)  and it has been decided about fund in end of 2015. You should talk with correct informations.


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: Snail2 on March 15, 2016, 11:41:18 AM
Fighting wars is expensive and if chaos breaks loose even more refugees will flood Europe. Win-win for Mr. Putin.

Funny that russian bombs were one of the causes for the refugee wave.

I really dont understand why putin did that. There must have been something big behind the curtains for that decision to be made.
Russian troops in syria was putins ace not sure why he is giving it up.

Russians achieved their tactical and strategic goals: secured their bases over there, secured the survival of their ally in the future (maybe not Assad himself but someone Russia friendly), forced the "moderate opposition" to (at least temporarily) turn against the saudi/turkey/us backed islamists, so they've gained a lot of bargaining chips.
I think behind the scenes they've also made some new friendships with the syrian and iraqi kurds, so a pipeline from Iran to the Mediterranean sea through friendly kurdish held territories is possible again and now there's a possible supply route to PKK if the turks would try to oppose that.
Now they are partially pulling out with a military and diplomatic victory in their pocket. It appears unlike the US, Russians have learned their lessons in Afghanistan about why not good to be bogged down in local turf wars and such unstable situations. BTW they can go back in days if needed.


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: magnific61 on March 15, 2016, 02:46:21 PM
Fighting wars is expensive and if chaos breaks loose even more refugees will flood Europe. Win-win for Mr. Putin.

Funny that russian bombs were one of the causes for the refugee wave.

I really dont understand why putin did that. There must have been something big behind the curtains for that decision to be made.
Russian troops in syria was putins ace not sure why he is giving it up.

Russians achieved their tactical and strategic goals: secured their bases over there, secured the survival of their ally in the future (maybe not Assad himself but someone Russia friendly), forced the "moderate opposition" to (at least temporarily) turn against the saudi/turkey/us backed islamists, so they've gained a lot of bargaining chips.
I think behind the scenes they've also made some new friendships with the syrian and iraqi kurds, so a pipeline from Iran to the Mediterranean sea through friendly kurdish held territories is possible again and now there's a possible supply route to PKK if the turks would try to oppose that.
Now they are partially pulling out with a military and diplomatic victory in their pocket. It appears unlike the US, Russians have learned their lessons in Afghanistan about why not good to be bogged down in local turf wars and such unstable situations. BTW they can go back in days if needed.
Big part of russians don't want Russia interfere Syria's internal affairs. Syrian dissidents invites Russian army to the land war. If Russia joins, land war, will give big loss and Russian citizens begin protest Putin's actions. According to my opinion Russia will be loser of that war if doesn't leave Syria.


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: criptix on March 15, 2016, 03:38:27 PM
Funny that russian bombs were one of the causes for the refugee wave.
I really dont understand why putin did that.
Everybody is able to google some newspaper headlines, compare the dates and find out that you're lying deliberately. Go and try to find fools elsewhere, please.

 ::)
I dont even know what to say.

Fighting wars is expensive and if chaos breaks loose even more refugees will flood Europe. Win-win for Mr. Putin.

Funny that russian bombs were one of the causes for the refugee wave.

I really dont understand why putin did that. There must have been something big behind the curtains for that decision to be made.
Russian troops in syria was putins ace not sure why he is giving it up.

Russians achieved their tactical and strategic goals: secured their bases over there, secured the survival of their ally in the future (maybe not Assad himself but someone Russia friendly), forced the "moderate opposition" to (at least temporarily) turn against the saudi/turkey/us backed islamists, so they've gained a lot of bargaining chips.
I think behind the scenes they've also made some new friendships with the syrian and iraqi kurds, so a pipeline from Iran to the Mediterranean sea through friendly kurdish held territories is possible again and now there's a possible supply route to PKK if the turks would try to oppose that.
Now they are partially pulling out with a military and diplomatic victory in their pocket. It appears unlike the US, Russians have learned their lessons in Afghanistan about why not good to be bogged down in local turf wars and such unstable situations. BTW they can go back in days if needed.

Interesting theory. I will do some research in that direction.

Overall it was quite surprising and sudden.




Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: Tzupy on March 15, 2016, 06:13:15 PM
Russia retreats from Syria? Yeah right, like they retreated from Moldova, Georgia and Ukraine? ::)
This is just a tactic, meant to get more long-term concessions from Assad. To show him that he can be left alone again, and he'll sign whatever Putin wants.


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: magnific61 on March 15, 2016, 06:37:46 PM
Russia retreats from Syria? Yeah right, like they retreated from Moldova, Georgia and Ukraine? ::)
This is just a tactic, meant to get more long-term concessions from Assad. To show him that he can be left alone again, and he'll sign whatever Putin wants.
Correct!  That is a tactical retreat and only land forces retreat. Air and naval forces will stay. Anyway land forces out of strikes. Russia can't venture land operations in Syria at the least in curent situation. Because Kremlin knows that they will give big loss


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: Iseecookies on March 15, 2016, 08:53:33 PM
Was there something about peace talks coming up on Monday or last Monday that helped Russia back out of this mess.
Point for them was made and it makes sense to back off with so many groups jockeying for position.


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: Nemo1024 on March 15, 2016, 09:52:26 PM
Funny that russian bombs were one of the causes for the refugee wave.
I really dont understand why putin did that.
Everybody is able to google some newspaper headlines, compare the dates and find out that you're lying deliberately. Go and try to find fools elsewhere, please.

 ::)
I dont even know what to say.

That you don't pay attention to the facts?

The start of the refugee flood from Turkey, when Turkey opened the floodgates and released all those people they were accumulating over the course of 2-3 years: June-July 2015, and the critical mass was reached by the beginning of September. Here is a BBC article from the 4th of September:

http://www.bbc.com/russian/international/2015/09/150904_eu_migrant_crisis_hungary

The start of the Russian operation in Syria: 30th of September 2015.

The American coordinators, who organised and financed the flood of "refugees" missed with their operation by a few months.

Fragment from:
http://stanislavs.org/apocalypse-of-europespecial-report-from-the-flooded-by-refugees-austria/

Quote
Spreading the gifted blankets, people lay down to rest on the pavement. Munich slows down with a reply today: the refugee centres there are already over-crowded, they just do not know what to do. “We were promised that we’d be in Germany today, – complains Khamis, a 44-year-old engineer from Damascus. – But now it turns out that the Germans were not prepared to accept more people. What to do? We sit on each other’s heads.” Meanwhile, in the course of the conversation an interesting thing turns up. Khamis has lived in the camp “for displaced persons” in Turkey (Mardin province) for two years and did not think about Europe: for the smugglers took 10 000 dollars per person for transport by sea to Greece, while he had nowhere near that kind of money. So, in July there came some unidentified recruiters to their camp – they promised free shipping to Europe. One had to agree to the offer quickly and to go right away. “I think it is very necessary for someone that Europe is drowned with refugees – said Khamis. – But honestly, I do not want to go into details. I’m just happy that I’m far away from war.”

– Many Europeans probably wonder: The war in Libya and Syria began five years ago, and in Iraq as far back as in 2003, so why do hundreds of thousands of people poured into the EU now? – says political consultant of the Lebanese TV channel “Al-Manar” Mohammed Aswad. – Turkey kept the Syrians behind barbed wire, their passports were confiscated, they were not allowed to leave the camps. And suddenly there come recruiters, offering a free ride into Europe. Why such selflessness? Turkey, the closest US ally, suddenly opens the door, releasing a crowd of fugitives who freely enter the EU. Now the question is: Who benefits? The main dividends are received by the United States. The tide of migrants means huge costs for the weak EU economy, which will lead to a drop in the Euro, worsening crime situation in Europe. As a result, the EU has no resources to bother with the United States, and Washington will be able to smoothly carry out its plans for the control of oil sources in the Middle East in order to bring the price of oil to $10 per barrel.


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: Nemo1024 on March 15, 2016, 09:58:50 PM
Russia retreats from Syria? Yeah right, like they retreated from Moldova, Georgia and Ukraine? ::)
This is just a tactic, meant to get more long-term concessions from Assad. To show him that he can be left alone again, and he'll sign whatever Putin wants.

Russia cannot by definition retreat from Moldova - the UN-mandated peacekeeping forces were put there to stop the genocide of the Russian population of the Pridnestrovie.

Russia cannot by definition retreat from Georgia - it's not in Georgia. When Georgia attacked and killd Russian peacekeepers and Ossetian civilians, Russia responded and drove invading Georgian forces back for a few days, then retreated. The relations between Russia and Georgia are quite ok now, when the criminal Saakashvili, wanted by Gerogia, went on the run (and is foverning Odessa now)

Russia cannot by definition retreat from Ukraine, because a) Russian forces are not in Ukraine; b) Ukraine is Novorossia, Malirossia and Galicia. Of the three, the first two are de-facto Russia (at least were, until 1918-1922, when Lenin created the Ukraine of today, for which Ukrainians topple his monuments).


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: Tzupy on March 15, 2016, 11:27:59 PM
Russia retreats from Syria? Yeah right, like they retreated from Moldova, Georgia and Ukraine? ::)
This is just a tactic, meant to get more long-term concessions from Assad. To show him that he can be left alone again, and he'll sign whatever Putin wants.

Russia cannot by definition retreat from Moldova - the UN-mandated peacekeeping forces were put there to stop the genocide of the Russian population of the Pridnestrovie.

Russia cannot by definition retreat from Georgia - it's not in Georgia. When Georgia attacked and killd Russian peacekeepers and Ossetian civilians, Russia responded and drove invading Georgian forces back for a few days, then retreated. The relations between Russia and Georgia are quite ok now, when the criminal Saakashvili, wanted by Gerogia, went on the run (and is foverning Odessa now)

Russia cannot by definition retreat from Ukraine, because a) Russian forces are not in Ukraine; b) Ukraine is Novorossia, Malirossia and Galicia. Of the three, the first two are de-facto Russia (at least were, until 1918-1922, when Lenin created the Ukraine of today, for which Ukrainians topple his monuments).

This is the kind of rhetoric for which most of Russia's neighbors hate you. Keep it like this, and no one will come to your aid when China will take Siberia.

In the same note, Russia cannot by definition retreat from Syria - it's not in Syria. Tartus and Latakia are now Russian territory, right?


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: designerusa on March 16, 2016, 06:15:31 AM
Russian President Putin ordered that Russian Forces will retreat from Syria tomorrow Kremlin declared.

i guess russia dont see any profit being in syria anymore.. russia started a war there and destroyed all the good things in syria then, leave the country to its fate.. this is the brutal truth behind this decision..


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: trenchflaint on March 16, 2016, 06:57:40 AM
Its a good thing that russia has finally withdraw its army and world war III wont happen.
If russia didnt back up surely thats the start of the end of the world.


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: clickerz on March 16, 2016, 09:17:34 AM
Its a good thing that russia has finally withdraw its army and world war III wont happen.
If russia didnt back up surely thats the start of the end of the world.

Yes it is a welcome development to the tensions in Syria. As we know,middle east home to millions of migrant workers from Philippines,India,Bangladesh,Pakistan etc that would be displaced if war happens.


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: Nemo1024 on March 16, 2016, 12:03:04 PM
I think I have an explanation for the surprise the West expresses regarding Russian withdrawal (including this thread). The West measures Russian actions with the same stock as those of USA. And what does US usually do? Move into a country uninvited, wreck havoc and stay as an occupational force (cases in point: Iraq, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia).

Russia came invited, achieved the goals set (break the back of the head-choppers, remove the threat of said head-choppers infiltrating into Russia, allow the Syrian Army to take control of the situation, prevent disintegration of Syria, and allow diplomacy to take over), and now Russia can pull back. Also Russia does not need to be quagmired in the conflict, like it did with Taliban (later renamed into Al-Quaeda and then into ISIS) in Afghanistan in the 80s - a lesson was learned. Besides, Russia retains its only military base at the foreign shores (USA has about 800, and actually managed to build 2 new in Syria).

I actually wrote about it on the 2nd of March here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1383318.msg14073653#msg14073653


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: saddampbuh on March 16, 2016, 06:39:53 PM
they have achieved what they set out to achieve


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: alyssa85 on March 16, 2016, 07:38:06 PM
I think the Russians were bleeding money. The oil price being below $40 is putting a lot of stress on them and Putin has announced cuts to public spending. Very had to cut spending when you are wasting money on a war.


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: galdur on March 17, 2016, 06:46:06 AM
The war is won for all practical purposes. This means reduced forces obviously.

HMEIMIM, Syria, March 15 (TASS) - Russia’s aviation group in Syria will continue delivering strikes on facilities of terrorists, Russian Deputy Defense Minister Nikolay Pankov said on Tuesday.

"Certain positive results have been reached. A real chance has emerged to bring an end to the long-time conflict and violence. However, it is early to speak about the victory over terrorism now," Pankov said.

"Russia’s aviation group has the task to continue delivering strikes on the facilities of terrorists," he told an event marking the accomplishment of tasks in Syria by Russian forces.


...

Pankov reminded that the ceasefire, which came into effect in Syria on February 27, is not applied to the Islamic State and Jabhat an-Nusra "or other terrorist organizations designated by the UN Security Council."


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: galdur on March 17, 2016, 06:52:49 AM
Beirut (AFP) - Russian helicopters pounded jihadist positions around the ancient city of Palmyra on Tuesday as Syrian troops pressed a ground advance, a monitoring group said.

"Russian helicopters and warplanes, that are likely Russian, are bombarding Islamic State group positions near Palmyra," said Syrian Observatory for Human Rights director Rami Abdel Rahman.

"These strikes have allowed regime troops to advance, and they are now four kilometres (2.5 miles) south and west of Palmyra," he told AFP.

The strikes came a day after Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the pullout of the "main part" of his forces from the war-torn country.


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: xht on March 17, 2016, 06:56:48 AM
Putin-pooty declare victory and ran home with his tail between his legs, He learned this from Nixon's 'secret plan' for victory in Vietnam.


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: galdur on March 17, 2016, 07:15:47 AM
Putin-pooty declare victory and ran home with his tail between his legs, He learned this from Nixon's 'secret plan' for victory in Vietnam.

I wonder which military geniuses yokels like you have been voting into office where you are. I bet they´ve not been dicking around in endless wars forever.  ;D


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: galdur on March 17, 2016, 11:42:24 AM
Putin: Russia may deploy forces back to Syria ‘in mere hours’ if necessary

Published time: 17 Mar, 2016 10:48
Edited time: 17 Mar, 2016 11:18

https://www.rt.com/news/335949-putin-russia-op-syria/


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: vodanh on March 17, 2016, 11:44:31 AM
With Russia leaving now, I think it seals in the territories of most parties involved. Western Kurdistan became a country today (says them) while the moderate rebels and ISIS holds similar areas that they held one year ago. The disintegration of Syria is a year away.


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: SyGambler on March 17, 2016, 12:06:48 PM
I think there is an agreement going on , hopefully everything will end soon
the US is giving more soft speeches so I guess thing should be clear in the coming months ,I mean come on it's been more than 5 years
also Russia didn't retreat completely , their Jets are still doing strikes 


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: bitbunnny on March 17, 2016, 01:59:34 PM
Putin has several reason for that: to retreat while he stil can, to avoid Afghan scenario and to send the message to Asad. We'll see how it will end.


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: septian44 on March 17, 2016, 02:02:55 PM
I am very happy to hear this


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: Balthazar on March 17, 2016, 05:14:10 PM
Putin has several reason for that: to retreat while he stil can, to avoid Afghan scenario and to send the message to Asad.
Putin has a reason, Putin does that, Putin wants to send a message... I know, this may be shocking, but he does that because it was planned to do so. Yep, it was declared right at the beginning of operation that troops won't stay there for long and will be withdrawn in the middle of spring. Anybody with a tiny amount of memory is able to remember official MoD statements.

Normally, there is nothing strange in doing something if it was originally declared. Your boss won't be surprised to see you at your working place tomorrow, for example.



Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: benmartin613 on March 17, 2016, 06:44:26 PM
Im just glad that the russian have retreated their troops and didnt go to a WWW III.
Putin is still a good man to not let the war start by his terms.


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: andy75 on March 17, 2016, 07:40:42 PM
wow people so naive...
i do not know why Mr. Putin declared retreat from Syria , or is it ?
my assumption is some one like the US or European gave Russia some incentive in the form of money , how much ? who know.
what is definitely this is not a retreat , is a pretending of and yes might be Russia stopped the fighting in Syria but sure not evacuated the 2 main Russian bases in Syria : The Russian naval facility in Tartus and Khmeimim airbase in Latakia.
So Mr. Putin and the world media want to paint a pretty picture of ending The war in Syria , peace is right around the corner...Yeah right

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_naval_facility_in_Tartus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_naval_facility_in_Tartus)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmeimim_airbase (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmeimim_airbase)
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/03/15/analysis-russian-withdrawal-aims-pressure-assad-seek-peace-syria/81805610/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/03/15/analysis-russian-withdrawal-aims-pressure-assad-seek-peace-syria/81805610/)


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: onlinedragon on March 17, 2016, 07:42:40 PM
I think it's good they retreat from Syria. There died enough people there I really hope the war ends soon and all parties stop hurting each other.


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: galdur on March 18, 2016, 04:25:57 AM
wow people so naive...
i do not know why Mr. Putin declared retreat from Syria , or is it ?
my assumption is some one like the US or European gave Russia some incentive in the form of money , how much ? who know.
what is definitely this is not a retreat , is a pretending of and yes might be Russia stopped the fighting in Syria but sure not evacuated the 2 main Russian bases in Syria : The Russian naval facility in Tartus and Khmeimim airbase in Latakia.
So Mr. Putin and the world media want to paint a pretty picture of ending The war in Syria , peace is right around the corner...Yeah right

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_naval_facility_in_Tartus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_naval_facility_in_Tartus)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmeimim_airbase (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmeimim_airbase)
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/03/15/analysis-russian-withdrawal-aims-pressure-assad-seek-peace-syria/81805610/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/03/15/analysis-russian-withdrawal-aims-pressure-assad-seek-peace-syria/81805610/)

Most military campaigns aren´t just random. there are some objectives and plans and corresponding forces. Once those objectives have been reached those forces are removed from theater, all or part of them. it´s standard procedure and has been forever I guess.


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: arbitrage on March 18, 2016, 09:15:43 AM
Putin has several reason for that: to retreat while he stil can, to avoid Afghan scenario and to send the message to Asad. We'll see how it will end.
Well to be honest he can return in Syria anytime if he want.
This is probably because EU have major crisis now with immigrants so he don't want to be blamed for this to.


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: bitbunnny on March 18, 2016, 07:30:02 PM
Putin has several reason for that: to retreat while he stil can, to avoid Afghan scenario and to send the message to Asad.
Putin has a reason, Putin does that, Putin wants to send a message... I know, this may be shocking, but he does that because it was planned to do so. Yep, it was declared right at the beginning of operation that troops won't stay there for long and will be withdrawn in the middle of spring. Anybody with a tiny amount of memory is able to remember official MoD statements.

Normally, there is nothing strange in doing something if it was originally declared. Your boss won't be surprised to see you at your working place tomorrow, for example.



Putin has said a lot of things but is not that he always sticks to that. Things are not that simple, when it comes to him there is always a background.


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: criptix on March 18, 2016, 07:40:02 PM
Putin has several reason for that: to retreat while he stil can, to avoid Afghan scenario and to send the message to Asad.
Putin has a reason, Putin does that, Putin wants to send a message... I know, this may be shocking, but he does that because it was planned to do so. Yep, it was declared right at the beginning of operation that troops won't stay there for long and will be withdrawn in the middle of spring. Anybody with a tiny amount of memory is able to remember official MoD statements.

Normally, there is nothing strange in doing something if it was originally declared. Your boss won't be surprised to see you at your working place tomorrow, for example.



Putin has said a lot of things but is not that he always sticks to that. Things are not that simple, when it comes to him there is always a background.

Please cite the source for a russian spring withdraw from last year thanks.

Imho putin is awaiting leverage from the retreat in the upcoming negotiations?
I see him in a possible stronger position with the EU regarding Ukraine+migrant crisis and Syria.


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: andy75 on March 19, 2016, 01:25:58 AM
wow people so naive...
i do not know why Mr. Putin declared retreat from Syria , or is it ?
my assumption is some one like the US or European gave Russia some incentive in the form of money , how much ? who know.
what is definitely this is not a retreat , is a pretending of and yes might be Russia stopped the fighting in Syria but sure not evacuated the 2 main Russian bases in Syria : The Russian naval facility in Tartus and Khmeimim airbase in Latakia.
So Mr. Putin and the world media want to paint a pretty picture of ending The war in Syria , peace is right around the corner...Yeah right

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_naval_facility_in_Tartus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_naval_facility_in_Tartus)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmeimim_airbase (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmeimim_airbase)
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/03/15/analysis-russian-withdrawal-aims-pressure-assad-seek-peace-syria/81805610/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/03/15/analysis-russian-withdrawal-aims-pressure-assad-seek-peace-syria/81805610/)

Most military campaigns aren´t just random. there are some objectives and plans and corresponding forces. Once those objectives have been reached those forces are removed from theater, all or part of them. it´s standard procedure and has been forever I guess.

like i said naive :)
russian bases on syrian land was not abandoned by russian troops so how is that retreat exactly ?

btw you can add the saudi's to the equation of paying off russia to declare so called "retreat"


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: zenitzz on March 19, 2016, 09:21:23 AM
Putin, at least there is one statesman in the world leadership who is practical and who involves the United Nations and its principles fairly religiously and who limits his military involvements only to true Russian national interests.


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: bryant.coleman on March 19, 2016, 04:26:50 PM
Putin, at least there is one statesman in the world leadership who is practical and who involves the United Nations and its principles fairly religiously and who limits his military involvements only to true Russian national interests.

The big difference between the Russian and American intervention in Syria is that the former was approved by the legitimate government of Syria, while the latter was not. Also, the Americans have no moral right to intervene in Syria, as some of their allies (Qatar, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Kuwait) are actively supporting the ISIS.


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: Balthazar on March 21, 2016, 09:48:32 AM
http://i76.fastpic.ru/big/2016/0320/90/dc130a078ab5bf820fb0c34728ab7f90.jpg
http://i73.fastpic.ru/big/2016/0320/53/af2ccae3d61e8d58500205f289d0ef53.jpg


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: Nemo1024 on March 23, 2016, 08:56:32 PM
A good read:

LADA RAY REPORT: Putin Announces Troops Withdrawal from Syria. Russia’s Accomplishments, Withdrawal Reasons Revealed!
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2016/03/23/lada-ray-report-putin-announces-troops-withdrawal-from-syria-russias-accomplishments-withdrawal-reasons-revealed/

Quote
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As many times before, Putin openly pre-announced Russian objectives in Syria and said that once they have been achieved, Russia will withdraw. It appears the West was under a complete impression Putin was lying. No wonder: that’s how they themselves behave, and they expect the same behavior from others. Their feeble minds can’t fathom that there are few out there who actually tell the truth.

What were Russia’s main objectives? Let’s hear it directly from the horse’s mouth. This special talk show ‘Evening with Vladimir Soloviev’ of March 15, 2016, dedicated to Russian withdrawal from Syria (Beчep c Bлaдимиpoм Coлoвьeвым. Cпeцвыпycк oт 15.03.16), includes an excerpt from the televised October 2015 host, Vladimir Soloviev’s (S), interview with President Putin (P). Incidentally, Evening with Vladimir Soloviev  is my top recommended Russian political talk show.

I have translated the interview snippet. Soloviev (S), President Putin (P).

On this video, the October 2015 Putin interview recording starts 23:12 and ends at 24:50:

S: What are our real goals in Syria and what are the criteria of our success?

P: First, let me re-confirm what is already a well-known fact: we have warned and advised in advance our American partners and many other partners, as well as the countries in the region, of our plans and intentions. Some say we did it too late, but let me remind that no one ever warns or advises us of their plans or actions in operations of this kind. Yet, we did it.

S: Show of good will?

P: Yes, out of good will, together with common sense. But also to show that we are open to cooperation.

S: Syrian army began advancing. What are their chances of success?

P:  This primarily depends on the Syrian army and Syrian leadership. We can’t assume any excessive responsibility upon ourselves, and we never did. I said from the start that the active phase of our Syrian operation will be limited in time by the term of the advancement of this same Syrian army. To return to your first question: our goal is specifically to stabilize the legitimate power in Syria and to create the conditions for the political dialogue and compromise.

That was said in October 2015. The whole Russian plan, timeframe and intentions were laid out clearly, for all world to hear.
...


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: magnific61 on March 24, 2016, 09:42:33 AM
It will be easier dropping them by dissidents ;D


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: Vika NSFW on March 24, 2016, 01:22:17 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIo2JqO5VJI

Today will be a hot day.
And look at "reatreadet" Russian Air Forces  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: magnific61 on March 28, 2016, 08:49:43 PM
Islam Army takes decision for the date of land operation in Syria. When they come, what Russia will do?


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: Vika NSFW on March 29, 2016, 08:53:44 AM
Islam Army takes decision for the date of land operation in Syria. When they come, what Russia will do?

How do You call salafi clowns? They are with hard troubles wit Quran. Fight on Asad is illegal under Quran.
Salafi are not muslims, they are mind controlling sect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lcwnmyjogws
معركة تحرير تدمر ريف حمص سوريا
Liberation of Palmyra


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: saiha on March 29, 2016, 12:26:12 PM
Its good to know that Putin retreats from Syria, since some of his people died and many will continue to die if he didn't did this wise decision. Or maybe he will gonna take a revenge after planning again his actions.


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: Vika NSFW on March 29, 2016, 12:38:44 PM
Its good to know that Putin retreats from Syria

LOL.
Where do You find this fake news? Eat shit, the Al Qaida + ISIS supporter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1--yAJryto

Palmyra, Russian Cosmic-Spacial Forces


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 03, 2016, 06:42:15 AM
Its good to know that Putin retreats from Syria, since some of his people died and many will continue to die if he didn't did this wise decision. Or maybe he will gonna take a revenge after planning again his actions.

After six months of special operations in Syria, a total of four Russian servicemen have lost their lives. Compare this to the thousands of casualties the NATO suffered in Iraq and Afghanistan. And remember that the NATO intervention in both these nations were complete failures, while the Russian intervention in Syria is enabling Assad to beat back the ISIS and the Al Nusra.


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: magnific61 on April 03, 2016, 10:13:19 AM
After Syria i hope Russia doesn't make airstrikes on Azerbaijan.


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: Nemo1024 on April 03, 2016, 11:25:38 AM
What the Western MSM does not write about is as telling as what they write.

Palmyra was liberated by the Syrian army with Russian aerial support. Russian mine-sweepers have come to Palmyra to remove tonnes of landmines left by the terrorists both in the partially destroyed historical complex and in the city. The way the city was trip-wired was highly professional. "Terrorists" installed mines in the roads, covered them with cement and then with new (!) asphalt - edge to edge.

The Western MSM remained silent about the whole Palmyra liberation, though...


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: Vika NSFW on April 03, 2016, 11:32:21 AM
One azeri invader helicopter is shot yesterday in Karabakh Republik.

Do You consider USA forces in Turkey as foreghn invaders?


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: SyGambler on April 03, 2016, 11:46:18 AM
What the Western MSM does not write about is as telling as what they write.

Palmyra was liberated by the Syrian army with Russian aerial support. Russian mine-sweepers have come to Palmyra to remove tonnes of landmines left by the terrorists both in the partially destroyed historical complex and in the city. The way the city was trip-wired was highly professional. "Terrorists" installed mines in the roads, covered them with cement and then with new (!) asphalt - edge to edge.

The Western MSM remained silent about the whole Palmyra liberation, though...

yeah that was so professional , and I have no idea if they talked about it in the western media
but I can tell you that they are so mad  because US couldn't do anything with its allies in Syria , they had many airstrikes with no good results
but Russia is doing extremly good , they are truly fighting the terrorists unlike the US


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: Enotche on April 03, 2016, 12:03:00 PM
but Russia is doing extremly good , they are truly fighting the terrorists unlike the US

Russia not fighting the terrorists. Russia

"In fact, Russia does not bomb ISIS. They are bombing the areas where the positions of the Free Syrian Army, to allow government troops to move and control more territory -. Said the Syrian opposition leader Yasser al-Haji -. If they bombed positions igil, they would have done in the area of the town of Marey, where ISIS managed to make significant progress. Now ISIS virtually surrounded Aleppo and cut his head. Russian fighting on the side of the regime, killing our soldiers and civilians. "

http://www.7kanal.co.il/News/News.aspx/179639

http://g1.delphi.lv/images/pix/file46552951_youtube-0wcp5jzcliy.png

I think,Putin seems somewhat threatened (eg disconnection from the SWIFT system), and he suddenly announced the withdrawal of troops.

Killed a lot of innocent civilians, spoiled relations with the countries, devastated Russian economy.For what?


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: Vika NSFW on April 03, 2016, 12:15:47 PM

Killed a lot of innocent civilians, spoiled relations with the countries, devastated Russian economy.For what?

30.09.2015

Ohh, what a new news!
We all are waiting on pictures and videos af such damages!
Everyone at those days have a smartphone in pocket, where are the pictures and videos of so terrible acts? Names of victims?
Maybe they are existing only in the mouth of liars?

There is a peace agreement, who claimed to join to it and communicate, where are the postions of gunmans - no bombing at this address.

So, eat shit, dude, or put some New and with proofs news, not a zionist liars press.


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: Vika NSFW on April 03, 2016, 12:23:58 PM
check the font - a cheap zionist website


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: jassii on April 04, 2016, 07:42:56 AM
If this is a retreat, then is the Obama administration withdraws from Iraq and Afghanistan retreats also??  (http://"http://shiromaniakalidalofficial.blog.com/")??               


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: magnific61 on April 04, 2016, 05:37:22 PM
Tactical retreat. It still has a big force inside Syria


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 08, 2016, 03:08:12 PM
The Russian jets are still bombing the ISIS and Al Nusra positions in Eastern and Northern Syria. Russia reduced the size of its contingent, and that is it. There was no "retreat" or withdrawal. The Russians have reduced their role in Syria. On the other hand, they have requested Iran, Hezbollah, Syrian regime, and Iraqi Shiite militia to take a more pro-active role in the fighting.


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: galdur on April 11, 2016, 12:23:16 AM
The Syrian Civil War: An Interim Balance Sheet

By Prof. Efraim InbarApril 6, 2016Syria War Homs

BESA Center Perspectives Paper No. 338, April 6, 2016

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: The desire of the international community to end the Syrian civil war is offset by the inability of any individual party to enforce its preferred solution. The conflict, which is likely to continue for some time, has solidified the centrality of Russia and Iran in regional affairs. Israel’s options are limited.

Intensified diplomatic efforts by the international community to put an end to the civil war in Syria are unlikely to reach a political long-term arrangement before the warring parties are exhausted by the conflict. It is often weariness that brings armed conflicts to a close, rather than a promising political solution offered by a disinterested mediator or international conference.

Significantly, no protagonist seems to have overwhelming power to enforce its preferred solution. The Sunni powers, such as Saudi Arabia and Turkey, tried to unseat Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, the ally of Shiite Iran, but displayed weakness that was exploited by the Iranian Revolutionary Guards and Hezbollah. Even American aid to the Sunni rebels was ineffective. The much feared Islamic State (IS), born as a result of the disintegration of Iraq and Syria, was not strong enough to tackle the Assad regime successfully. The Russian military intervention was able to strengthen Assad's grip over parts of Syria, but was not enough to restore his rule over the entire country.

This means that Syria will remain divided among several warring factions for some time to come. The fractured country will continue to be an arena in which local chiefs will try to expand their areas of control and in which outsiders will compete for influence. Fluidity and ambiguity will continue to characterize the arena.

This equivocal situation is producing winners and losers, but it is Iran that is emerging with the upper hand. Assad is still in power, which means Tehran retains its clout in Damascus, a former capital of an Arab empire. Damascus is also the linchpin to Beirut, where the Shiite Hezbollah, an Iranian proxy, exercises effective power. Moreover, the Syrian crisis has amplified the threat perception of IS in the West, making Iran a potential ally in western attempts to curb radical Sunni Islamists. Such perceptions also help Iran strengthen its control over Iraq. Iran has been successful in preserving the Shiite corridor, a key objective in its quest for hegemony in the Middle East and for projecting force further away.

Russia emerged as a beneficiary of the lingering Syrian crisis even before its military intervention in September 2015. It was successful in providing the diplomatic mechanism that enabled Obama to renege on his ultimatum against Assad’s use of chemical weapons, and has effectively defended the Assad regime at international fora. The Russian intervention on Assad's behalf also signaled that Moscow is a reliable ally, a message that resonates well among the political elites of the Middle East and beyond.

In addition, Russia preserved its strategic assets on the Syrian coast in the eastern Mediterranean after investing for years in the build-up of its Mediterranean flotilla. Russia, a large energy producer with global interests, has also maintained the exploration rights to the potential gas findings along the Syrian coast—a part of the rich Levant Basin.

In contrast, the Syrian turmoil provided plenty of proof that the US, under Obama, is not adept at dealing with Middle East realities. One early example was the Obama administration's initial inclination to try to engage foes, such as Syria (and Iran). A defining moment of American weakness was the retreat from threats to use force against Assad for crossing the chemical weapons red line (August 2012).

The American campaign against IS has provided additional evidence about the retreat of American power in the Middle East. In August 2014, after a confused and long decision-making process, the US concluded that the territorial conquests of IS are evolving into a significant threat to American interests and ordered its air force to raid installations of IS in Syria (and Iraq). Unfortunately, the gap between the goals and the capabilities of the US and its allies bolstered IS's dual message about the weakness of the decadent West and its own invincibility. By the beginning of 2016, the war against IS appeared stalemated. The US failed to induce local actors to cooperate effectively against it, and the limited air campaign has been insufficient.

In contrast, it was Russian air support that secured a victory for Assad against IS (the March 2016 conquest of Palmyra). The Russian intervention underscored American passivity even as it elicited dismissive statements by Obama, who called it a quagmire for Russian forces and absolved himself of the need to take any action. Obama did not specify how he would respond to Russian aircraft targeting US-supported rebel factions in the civil war other than to underline that the US would not directly confront Moscow. The tacit expectation that Syria would turn into a Vietnam or Afghanistan experience for Russia turned out to be unfounded.

Turkey appears to be at a loss after several years of futile support for Syrian rebels. The destabilization of Syria has underscored Turkey's long porous border, which exposes the country to terrorist attacks. At the same time, the influx of a multitude of refugees fleeing the mayhem has exacted an economic price on Ankara. Turkey’s crucial support for IS has been gradually revealed, the full diplomatic cost of which remains to be seen.

While Turkey has shown itself ready to confront Iran by proxies in Syria, underscoring the Sunni-Shiite fault lines and the regional Persian-Turkish rivalry, that readiness may well precipitate Iranian support for Kurdish militias, which constitutes a national security threat. Turkey also miscalculated in November 2015 by shooting down a Russian fighter, an action that triggered a deterioration in Turkey's strategic position by reviving the Ottoman-Russian historical enmity.

In addition, Turkey's Syrian policy has had the unintended consequence of empowering the most virulently anti-Turkish Kurdish elements. These Kurds have achieved a measure of autonomy in several regions in northern Syria, and have earned some Western support thanks to their effectiveness against IS. Still, the limited self-rule the Kurds have established, and the international attention they have attracted to their cause, will not be enough for state-building. For them to achieve full autonomy, they will have to overcome internal discord and their lack of territorial contiguity.

Israel continues to be a spectator as the Syrian tragedy unfolds, with occasional pinpoint interventions when immediate national security interests are at stake. The disappearance of the Syrian military threat to Israel is not, of course, inimical to its interests. But the entrenchment of Iran in Damascus, with substantial Russian help, constitutes a critical national security threat to Israel, because it strengthens the radical axis led by Iran in a Middle East from which the US has largely retreated. The possibility of opening a new front on the Golan Heights is a secondary issue that also needs the attention of the Israeli military.

The Syrian arena provides Israel with diplomatic opportunities to nourish relationships with reluctant actors. Jerusalem must work under the assumption that Syria cannot easily be fixed and that conflict is likely to continue. Israel’s interactions within its strategic environment are inherently limited. The use of force, often inevitable in our neighborhood, must be carefully calibrated in light of domestic and international constraints.


Efraim Inbar, director of the Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies, is professor emeritus of political studies at Bar-Ilan University and a fellow at the Middle East Forum.

BESA Center Perspectives Papers are published through the generosity of the Greg Rosshandler Family

http://besacenter.org/perspectives-papers/syrian-civil-war-interim-balance-sheet/


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: Balthazar on April 11, 2016, 10:49:34 AM
The Russian jets are still bombing the ISIS and Al Nusra positions in Eastern and Northern Syria. Russia reduced the size of its contingent, and that is it. There was no "retreat" or withdrawal.
C'mon, author of this nonsense is a member of AKP, most likely. What else would you expect from IS lover?


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 13, 2016, 01:13:27 PM
The Russian jets are still bombing the ISIS and Al Nusra positions in Eastern and Northern Syria. Russia reduced the size of its contingent, and that is it. There was no "retreat" or withdrawal.
C'mon, author of this nonsense is a member of AKP, most likely. What else would you expect from IS lover?

Yeah... the Turks are pretty much pissed at Russia right now. Their wet dream of establishing the "Greater Turania" is now in tatters, after the Russians chased out Turkmen barbarians from Latakia and Idlib. The Azeris are getting their asses kicked by the Armenians. The so called "Turkic" Central Asian countries are shifting away from the orbit of Ankara. The only good news for Erdoğan is his blooming romance with Angela Merkel.


Title: Re: Russia retreats from Syria
Post by: haseeb ahmed on April 13, 2016, 06:39:58 PM
I think its a good decision from Russia.other countries forces should also retreat from Syria.If they really want to do something good for the people of Syria,they should support their government morally and financially,and make them strong enough to sought this problem out on their own.