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I don't want to give my id to anyone, I don't get why I can't withdraw my hard earned coins without sharing personal info.

Any method there to do it really anonymously? Thank you

apart from cointocard.co I don't think there is any anonymous method

the problem is that as far as 2-3 years ago bitcoin exchangers didn't ask a load of info. As soon as Bitcoin gained popularity the NSA took over

Coinbase and Bitstamp need to be avoided, I wouldn't touch those websites with a yard long stick

If you have a bank account just have someone do a cash deposit into your account.  One person will know your name.

Or you can sell for cash in person.

I think btc-e.com does still not proof identities. They are not operating officially because the country they are located in is not bitcoin friendly.

I think you can withdraw anonymously there. In the worst case they can only give out what they have. Which in fact turns it into an exchange used by scammers. Of course many users from developed countries use it too because other exchanges don't allow them to register.

It's hard to do it 100% anonymously. You can try paying someone else to go to a bitcoin ATM and sell their bitcoin, although that person can be traced back to you. You don't need id to sell at an bitcoin atm though so if you don't mind being able to be traced (very unlikely), go to an ATM. Maybe wear a hood and a cap to kinda hide your face to the security camera. Also, if you use an ATM you shouldn't be traced unless your coins came from a big scam or something.

Withdrawing in what sense? And withdrawing from where?

If you mean exchanging them for your local currency then a select few atms might do it but they're all different. Cash via localbitcoins but then you're having to meet someone. Possibly gift cards but it depends on who's selling them. No one said it was gonna be easy.

I don't know you can withdraw it anonymously.
I agree with GambleDev and advise you to stay away from Coinbase.

Uh, you can always do this by exchanging someone who does cash deposit.

Or the option of cash in mail, or the cash in person route. Not much options outside from those things.

if you use a bank account, it's not anonymous in any case, even without providing id, but you could use kraken for this case, they do not request id for a certain limited amount

witdraw from where?if you witdraw bitcoins from exchange,its easy to do that,just witdraw to your new account. if you will witdraw bitcoin to cash money and use bank account,it will not anonymously,the only way is cash on delivery with people,you can sell your bitcoin to people on this forum.

no I'm sorry but they all ask for some kind of verification :'(

anyway you can send Bitcoin to your credit card using cointocard.co and it's anonymous. There are fees but it's worth it

It wasn't like that just few years ago, I'm really disappointed by mainstream exchangers >:(

If you are using a credit card, there is going to be a set limitation.

Before you end up having to provide ID for bigger bulk purchases similar to how coinbase did it.

why dont create some fake ID,and witdrawing with that ID,that if you wan witdrawing some coins to other currency or altcoinbut if you witdrawing altcoin to cash,its not easy,you need make transaction with middle people.

I really doubt exchanges will let a fake ID go through. Even services with way smaller returns check ID's very carefull. They are responsible to know the person they deal with.

OP, did you check btc-e.com out in the meantime? I doubt that they lately added verification.

the real anonymity will be reached only if you exchange bitcoin with cash (physically change it hand to hand) any other way will require you to give some kind of information even if it is a PayPal account (or anything similar) will link your identity to bitcoin


they still don't

Trading cash in person is surely not anonymous. The exchanger probably knows your phone number and your face. Some even make a copy of your id because they already got a visit from the police because bitcoins he received were stolen. It's needed then that he can protect himself.

So no, even without a copy of the ID, I would not consider it safe.

When btc-e.com still does not verify then this might be a way to hide. Of course the question is withdrawing to what...

someone already suggested cointocard.co (https://cointocard.co), don't use traditional exchangers because they're not anonymous. Use that website to refill your card and you're done. The money take about 2 days to show up

What are the charges like on cointocard? Do they charge you for not using the cards for example, like some providers?

Edit: I see the fees are 1% + 7.98 USD/EUR

Is that an unofficial service? Since when they want to do it official then there would be no way that they could allow sending money from and to unknown persons. The risk of getting hurt because money laundering is happening would be way too high.

who is sending you the fund there? i can see it working like a sort of purse io where you send bitcoin to escrow, and a random stranger refill your credit card

is this how it work?

Sounds pretty risky if you are right. Guess you meant that with you asking back.

If it works like that then I'm pretty sure that service will live only a short time. Complaints of scammed users will pile up at one point.

coinizy allow to withdraw 2500 $ / year without any docs.

if you want to increase your level, you have to produce more personals infos.

but keep in mind, if you wana withdraw flat, you need to provide at least your bank infos.... , so.... 8)

if you wana stay anonymous, the only way is localbitcoin.com , and trade in cash.

It's a special type of bank transfer directly to cards' numbers, nothing new (Visa Direct (https://developer.visa.com/products/visa_direct)).

There are some fees but I feel way safer. I don't need to give personal info to anyone and I send my coins to one of those anonymous Polish Visa cards. Clean

Then it's pretty risky. When you let someone other fund your debit card then you have chances that a hacker will pay you from a phished bank account.

Such things are no fun even when you can show that you are not guilty. And not every websit would work together with the authorities like purse.io does when carding happened.

yes I see why you're cautious

I don't know what this purse.io is but for now I don't want to try it

It's not related to withdrawing funds anonymously. I took them as an example of a website that cares for their users. When carding happens then they really contact the police officials to explain the situation to them. Protecting their customers. I think there are not many sites you can hope for such thing.

By they way. One can use bitcoins to buy on amazon on purse.io. With a discount from 10 to 36%...

If I transfer my funds from btc-e to perfectmoney (they don't require ID verification for making deposit/withdrawal) and then send them to my bank account via an exchanger or directly will it count as anonymous?

i never try it ... is purse.io  work really well ?  i dont really understand their "name your discount" part .. ::)  , where you choose the level of discount ... could you please explain a bit ?

Thanx in advance ;)

defcon23



Only short because offtopic, though it's somehow a way to get your bitcoins to cash too. :P

Purse.io brings those who want to buy amazon goods with bitcoins for discounts and those having amazon vouchers they want to exchange to money together. Vouchers can be gained from subsriptions or tasks done or in other countries it might be a currency too. Those persons often have a hard time exchanging it. So they would let something of the value of their vouchers go when they could get more than would get by buying iphones on amazon and selling it for cash. They would still get more when you demand a 15% discount and they give you that discount.

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spurde


With your bank account involved you would be in trouble when they approach btc-e and they get pushed to release your pm account.

Safest way to approach your bank account would probably be fiat deposits you do into your bank account. Though that means physical contact with a trader.

Probably, when you have coins you received you can get other coins for them so that nobody knows who has which coins now. Then proceed.

But honestly I don't know what you want to do. It surely is not the best idea to trick the tax agency or so. This can end bad. Especially because you already start to speak about putting money on your bank account. Doing such things or buying cars, houses and such are the things that lead to getting catched by agencies. And I'm sure you are not the big criminal.

So when you can tell what you want this for then we could say more maybe.

You could trade someone in real life, you could plan to meet someone in your local area to sell your bitcoin to. It might be hard, but it's worth a try.

how much are the fee, because the website say nothing about it, i may give it a try with a low amount first to see how it work

When you are exchanging cash for bitcoin, anonymous transaction is not possible, as the trader or exchange needs your bank details which reveals your entire identity.

As of now i never heard any exchange site to withdraw your bitcoin anonymously i think all of them are asking for your real identity why don't you use friend to receive your bitcoin into fiat..

op vanished?
I was going to say its super easy to sell btc without any id.
I thought that's what he means.

I think there's no trusted site that you can withdraw your money without your identity. i think the best way find a trusted member here to buy your bitcoin and use escrow about the deal and just give some information if where he send the money... so that you don't need to give your information in any website.. only escrow and trusted person can know your identity...

SebastianJu,  i want to thank you for your quick explainations.  ;)

ok guys I tried cointocard.co and the transaction went through. 100 euros to my credit card and I didn't have to give any personal detail beside card number and expiry date

there is a fee (8 dollars) but looks like it's worth it after all. I'll keep using this method because it's fast and imho simpler than, let's say, forging a fake ID ;D

Anyone tried this method too? I'm courious feedback from others. Please post if you have any experience with cointocard.co actually.

8$ fee for 100euros; thats quite large! if you don't mind it, it's ok i guess!
its always an option to sell it in person to someone for cash and no fees;
and an average hoodie provides more than enough anonymity!

What was the exchange rate they provided you? Was it the same of major exchanges or was it lower?

Asking this because I find the $8 fee already an expensive one and if also the exchange rate was unfavorable then we have to pay a huge cost in order to have our  anonymity guaranteed.

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Someone mentioned bitcoin atm in this thread to have cash anonimously: never saw one, may someone already experienced in this briefly explain what you need to withdraw cash from an ATM  ( besides Bitcoin ofc ).

I think there are no anonymous bitcoin ATM anymore I think. There was some fighting once the producers wanted to follow regulations to be able to stay alive. Some atm owners didn't want that. At the end it was a question of survival I guess.

There might be a few ATMs that are fully anon but they're probably few and far between. It's up to the operators not the manufacturers as to how anal they are.

Surely fully anonymous ATM in western countries will not survive for very long. Especially in the US where already normal bitcoin exchangers on the street are "hanged" for unregistered money transmitting or similar offend.

I dont think there is any fully anonymous means to withdraw Bitcoins as of now.
Almost everything that includes bringing money in or out of the system involves some form of identification.

So much better in Canada for transferring bitcoin,the whole business of how America can change laws state to state makes it such a
corrupt system. Could just see a bitcoin user crossing a state line and getting jacked up on charges that did not exsist 10 minutes back.

There are always going to be ways to transfer bitcoins anonymously and when there are not bitcoin will drop to a trickle.

I don't think that Bitcoin will stay much time anonymous , will see more about that after few new US laws.

Thanks for answering ... that bolded part  strongly discourages me from using Bitcoin ATM

it's not about the law, it's about being smart a smart user can hide his identity easily does not matter what kind of regulation the government will force for bitcoin

they can not actually do anything to completely trace everything related to bitcoin, if it does not pass via fiat

could trade someone in real life, could plan to meet someone in your local area to sell your bitcoin to.

I didnt even know that before we can withdraw our earnings we will be asked for some personal information. This is a big risk for me also to do this. But I really hope that this maybe depends on what kind of wallet are you using. It maybe be possible I am actually not sure at all..

Do someone think buying gold/silver/diamonds with Bitcoin and have them delivered to an address of yours (to resell them later for cash) would be an option to have our anonimity guaranteed?

I read in the past this service offered (selling of gold and silver for sure...not sure about diamonds) : anyone tried it? Pros and cons? Would you suggest it as a doable option?

I was thinking about buying gold, but on the one hand it ain't easy to sell it even if it will be a coin, and on the other hand if you order it to your address you aren't annonymous...

you can work on this issue  ;)

they have their own rate

I'd suggest to move at least 100 dollars, way more convenient

Anonymous way of getting bitcoin is possible through making a direct contact with the trader. Getting contact of such trader is possible only through our forum.

wrong : there's also localbitcoin , and this since a long time now ..

now when bitcoin is so popular, it is really hard to do that 100% anonymously, you can try to sell them to someone in real life, only he will know you and/or your ID,  or just buy something from purse.io with bitcoins or any other site

when bitcoin was less popular and less people used it, it was much easier to withdraw bitcoins anonymously than now, i don't think that there are lots of ways to do that now, only good i know is to sell to someone in real life,but that is hard to do

when bitcoin is so popular now, i am sure that it is very very hard to do that anonymously, i even thing that you can't do that, because only way to do this is to sell bitcoins to someone in real life, and i am sure that they won't buy lots of it

Even its a popular i think there's still have way to withdraw bitcoin anonymously why don't you try to make a fakename and id with your disguise face..
So you are anonymous to withdraw your money in money gram or any kind of sending money via Express.....

If you do not want to use exchange sites because of their verification process, you can search for people in your country who are interested in buying and sell them your coins for cash and then you would not have to share any personal information

You can do it anonymously with someone through bitcointalk, although they might have to know your bank account to send the funds to you.

It is hard to do that without giving id in years like this, when bitcoin is very popular, you should avoid butcoin exchange sites because usually they need id, you could sell bitcoins to someone in real life

i always do this method , buying and selling bitcoin person to person , due the proccess of withdrawal from my local exchange to my bank account take quiet long time up to 3 days , so i do search someone who have business in buy/sell bitcoin and trade with them.

note : the person must be a reputable / well known by everyone.

In real sense you can not withdraw bitcoin anonymously unless you make use of service like bitmixer.io, you will receive btc that is truly anonymous.

You can if you meet up the person directly.

Theres no identity given up and you get the cash you wanted for selling the bitcoin.

The cash in mail route is the same, if you setup a p.o box.

there is many ways,

Like make website paypal payment option and asked to pay there, this they can't know your bank info other thing

Just pay you and you will send the coin

yes i think so,so far the easiest way to witdrawing bitcoin anonymously is mek transaction with people on this forum,or if that people have same country with you,you both can meet up and make transaction more easy and anonymous.

The best way is exchanging in person. All other methods leave some traces to track your identity or some personal data.

Actually i think this is only possible way if you don't use other coins for hiding traces.
But even then you can get in trouble if you working with big money. Someone can get idea , to rob you.
I have heard many bad stories, everybody wants yours bitcoins.. ;D

thing is, that few years ago while bitcoin wasn't so popular yet, you could almost always withdraw them totally anonymously,but times changed, and everyone wants to control and see where you spend your money and so on so it may be hard, but you can try to sell them to someone in real life, but bad thing with it that you can't sell lots of bitcoins

The only way to do that is probably just build a list of all your local suppliers through localbitcoins.

But hopefully all that gas money doesnt add up lol.