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Title: How to make America great again
Post by: Dick Trump on March 19, 2016, 12:37:22 PM
This might seem like a boring topic, but it is the most important thing to understand if you care about an economic recovery in the United States. FYI: I am an American.

Big business loans are interest-only, meaning no principal reduction is required. The loans are based on LIBOR (which is referred to as a "benchmark rate"). The 1-month LIBOR rate is currently .44%. A big business typically pays a low spread over the LIBOR benchmark rate. For the purposes of this example we will use a spread of 1%. So, big business' interest rate is 1.44% and its loan payments are interest-only. When a big business borrows money to make a $1 million investment it only costs them $14,400 per year.

Small business loans - which are guaranteed by the US government - are based on the Prime (benchmark) rate and are fully-amortizing, typically over 5 years. The Prime rate is currently 3.5%. Small business pays a higher spread over the benchmark rate than big business (despite the loans being guaranteed by the US government). For the purposes of this example we will use a spread of 2%. So when a small business borrows money to make an investment it pays 5.5%, fully-amortizing over 5 years. The same $1 million investment costs that small business $229,212 per year, 16 times higher than that of big business.

The debt constant (annual payment/loan amount) for a small business loan is 23%. So, in order for a small business to be able to borrow money it needs to find an opportunity that produces cash flow in excess of 23%, or else it will lose money for 5 years (and likely go bankrupt). There are very few opportunities like that in today's economy.

A big business only needs to find opportunities that produce cash flow in excess of 1.44%. Obviously, most existing investment and business opportunities qualify.

Moreover, US government-backed small business loans forbid small businesses from engaging in "financial" or "rent extracting" activities, which are the most stable and profitable businesses. There are also restrictions on small businesses engaging in international trade. Big business loans do not have any of these restrictions.

Big business is not smarter or more efficient than small business. They just have a lower cost of capital and a wider scope of available business activities. This is a result of big businesses' lobbyists influencing Congress to keep small business loans uncompetitive.

Given this dynamic, small business investment is near-impossible, and big business consolidation is inevitable. There are fewer and fewer companies cornering more and more markets. The result is the corporate oligarchy that exists in America today. There was an interesting statistic released recently. The US has fewer corporations than it had 40 years ago, despite there being three times as many citizens.

If corporations are people, do we just need more people?

The only way this is going to change is if the "people" lobby Congress to alter the terms of small business loans (which are governed by the Small Business Administration) to make them competitive with big business loans.

This inequality in the cost of capital is the cornerstone of the current corporate oligarchy. Small businesses are the backbone of America. Small businesses have created far more wealth and high-paying jobs for Americans than big business and the government combined. Today, small business is dying.

The only way to save the economic heart of the American economy is to change the lending inequality between small and big businesses. Otherwise, America will never become great again.


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: talks_cheep on March 19, 2016, 12:42:16 PM
Oh, yes, America will become great again. Everyone please vote for Donald Duck, let's elect him President.


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: Dick Trump on March 19, 2016, 12:43:40 PM
Oh, yes, America will become great again. Everyone please vote for Donald Duck, let's elect him President.

I'm not writing in support of Trump. Read the post and tell me where I'm wrong.


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: Racey on March 19, 2016, 12:50:57 PM
1. Economic growth
2. Fiscal adjustment-austerity
3. Explicit (de jure) default or restructuring
4. Inflation surprise
5. A steady dose of financial repression accompanied by a steady dose of inflation

But this does not work at all, why not just get it written off?

Who does the debt belong to?

Cannot pay, will not pay, who are you going to stick in Jail?

Hypothetical question, City planners build a railway at the expense of taxpayers money.
City people build this new railroad (pay tax on earnings), the same people pay to ride on this railway.

The same people pay extra for prices rises on the same railway, something is very wrong here.

We pay for it many times over, and they still have us in debt, how to fix it?
I do not know.

Edit to add: I am not American  ;D


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: Fortify on March 19, 2016, 01:33:02 PM
You can start by stop saying "we're number 1" and the "usa is #1", besides defence expenditure I don't see many other positive indicators. The only reason, as someone living in Europe, that I prefer the USA to be the leading military power is because Russia or China would be far worse. When you stop believing that people in other countries might have worked out a better technology, system or implementation then you stop pushing the boundaries in science and understanding.


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: Denker on March 19, 2016, 02:07:38 PM
I'm not american so I don't care to be honest.
In the end it doesn't matter because wherever you look it is going down.
We are close to a point of no return where somebody will have to push the reset button.
Scary! But if you're smart this will give you the possibilty to profit from it.


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: Amph on March 19, 2016, 03:17:56 PM
put a limit on the salary, a maximum that regardless of who you're you can not exceed

stop printing rubbish paper endless, put a limit on printing, increase the value of each unit of your money and not their numbers

make it more difficult maybe to acquire fiat, so point 1 should make possible point 2 at least in part


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: DeDordtenaar on March 19, 2016, 04:00:08 PM
Oh, yes, America will become great again. Everyone please vote for Donald Duck, let's elect him President.
lol I wonder why many district and state in usa choose dick trump?
it seemed as if he was elected he can make America be great again? lol


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: zodiac3011 on March 19, 2016, 04:08:16 PM
how to make America great again? It's easy. Don't freaking vote for Trump because, just like your name, he's a bastard to all tech companies in his own country, suggesting many many unreasonable laws such as ban Islam, internet, make it hard for many tech companies to operate and only government's budget for those.


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: bryant.coleman on March 19, 2016, 05:42:41 PM
How to make America great again? Try these:

1. Stop invading third world nations.
2. Stop playing the world police.
3. Spend money to eradicate poverty within the United States, rather than spending $600 billion per year to bomb civilians in Yemen and Syria.
4. Stop pandering to dictators such as Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud and Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani.
5. Do away with affirmative action.
6. Legalize weed.
7. Deport the illegals.


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: benmartin613 on March 19, 2016, 05:49:04 PM
How to make America great again? Try these:

1. Stop invading third world nations.
2. Stop playing the world police.
3. Spend money to eradicate poverty within the United States, rather than spending $600 billion per year to bomb civilians in Yemen and Syria.
4. Stop pandering to dictators such as Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud and Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani.
5. Do away with affirmative action.
6. Legalize weed.
7. Deport the illegals.


I agree with the no.6 this will make America a great nation again and a lot of people will be happy.


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: pedrog on March 19, 2016, 07:37:03 PM
Halve military budget and invest it in education, science, innovation and entrepreneurship, best country in the world in 10 years or less. :)


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: markj113 on March 19, 2016, 07:44:26 PM
put a limit on the salary, a maximum that regardless of who you're you can not exceed

stop printing rubbish paper endless, put a limit on printing, increase the value of each unit of your money and not their numbers

make it more difficult maybe to acquire fiat, so point 1 should make possible point 2 at leats in part

point 1> So you are happy to have the brightest and best of your country just up and leave, moving to another country that pays better?

point 2> Inflation/deflation of currency cannot be easily controlled as recent financial policies have demonstrated.  You cannot simply dicatate what the "value of each unit of your money" buys.

point 3> Fiat drives the economy, when it dries up it all falls over.  They want people spending and going ever in deeper debt to do it.


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: Amph on March 19, 2016, 08:05:01 PM
put a limit on the salary, a maximum that regardless of who you're you can not exceed

stop printing rubbish paper endless, put a limit on printing, increase the value of each unit of your money and not their numbers

make it more difficult maybe to acquire fiat, so point 1 should make possible point 2 at leats in part

point 1> So you are happy to have the brightest and best of your country just up and leave, moving to another country that pays better?

point 2> Inflation/deflation of currency cannot be easily controlled as recent financial policies have demonstrated.  You cannot simply dicatate what the "value of each unit of your money" buys.

point 3> Fiat drives the economy, when it dries up it all falls over.  They want people spending and going ever in deeper debt to do it.

point one should be true for each country, i was talking about a system that each nation should adopt, for the globally fiat economy, not just dollar

you can contorl the value indirectly, by posing limit on some sector like the example i've proposed

if there were less money in circulation i'm sure each unit, would have a better value


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: Kprawn on March 19, 2016, 09:39:43 PM
America are the only people, who put people on another planet {The Moon} but they struggle with huge amounts of debt and that is pulling them down. You have to channel

some of that military budget into something that would generate job opportunities within the USA. Solve the domestic problems and protect the borders and you will become the

giant of the past. You are fighting the wrong war on foreign soil, and this is kill your economy.  ::)


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: calkob on March 19, 2016, 10:29:23 PM
It cant be done, America can never be made great again, it has abused the rest of the world since 1945 and will never be forgiven.  most people cant stand America.  sorry but in my opinion it's true.


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: Racey on March 19, 2016, 10:57:44 PM
It cant be done, America can never be made great again, it has abused the rest of the world since 1945 and will never be forgiven.  most people cant stand America.  sorry but in my opinion it's true.

They think people forget the atrocities, foreign policies is abysmal and full of death.
Remember this it all started with the former Jugoslavia, and the mayhem that continued from them in other countries.



Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: Pab on March 19, 2016, 11:03:20 PM
All is about people citzens But like i see people from USA i am not so positive i am not positive for Westerness generally.West is dieing becouse of corporation dominence,people minds are corupted.
In a case of USA you will have soon to choose between Hilary and Donald Donald it will be tragedy Hilary will sell you out Sometmes i think that Donald has been supported to let Hilary win paranoia but Europe is nothing better


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: Bitcoinbro on March 20, 2016, 12:00:26 AM
All is about people citzens But like i see people from USA i am not so positive i am not positive for Westerness generally.West is dieing becouse of corporation dominence,people minds are corupted.
In a case of USA you will have soon to choose between Hilary and Donald Donald it will be tragedy Hilary will sell you out Sometmes i think that Donald has been supported to let Hilary win paranoia but Europe is nothing better

Well the USA is still the major country in the world when it comes to finance and politics. If they have Trump winning the election this may change very soon.
With Britain on the verge of a potential brexit. the US and their allies will become weaker and weaker.


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: bitbunnny on March 20, 2016, 12:16:56 AM
I think America is still great. But its people who matters, not the politicians and everything depends on them. They make their country great or not and how others see their country.


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: bestluck on March 20, 2016, 06:23:58 AM
America need that it concenttrate on its country requirements other than on collecting and increaing weapons and aggression, as it is now not the time to struggle for power and to defeat and destroy others but it is the time to live liberally,


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: el kaka22 on March 20, 2016, 06:37:23 PM
Oh, yes, America will become great again. Everyone please vote for Donald Duck, let's elect him President.
A number of people are with the favour of of Trump I think he will won the election, but don’t know that he will spend his duration in giving strength to USA or not! The previous two had just waste their time.


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: Whosdaddy on March 21, 2016, 08:17:36 AM
You can start by stop saying "we're number 1" and the "usa is #1", besides defence expenditure I don't see many other positive indicators. The only reason, as someone living in Europe, that I prefer the USA to be the leading military power is because Russia or China would be far worse. When you stop believing that people in other countries might have worked out a better technology, system or implementation then you stop pushing the boundaries in science and understanding.
Yes, America just count their weapons and other countries’ weapons and then say that they are No.1 , while leave to consider all other aspects of life especial their social life which is almost at bad.


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: HeroCat on March 21, 2016, 03:27:27 PM
Most probably it is not possible, because all costs in US are too high nowadays. China is much cheaper country with strong manufacturing traditions and excellent delivery. For example - look at great China BTC mining farms  :D


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: sana54210 on March 22, 2016, 05:57:09 AM
I'm not american so I don't care to be honest.
In the end it doesn't matter because wherever you look it is going down.
We are close to a point of no return where somebody will have to push the reset button.
Scary! But if you're smart this will give you the possibilty to profit from it.
If you area citizen from a major power or a full sovereign country they you will not care and don’t need to care, but someone is of dependant country then they want America to be strong, as they are seeking support from that.


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: goinmerry on March 22, 2016, 09:32:09 AM
how to make America great again? It's easy. Don't freaking vote for Trump because, just like your name, he's a bastard to all tech companies in his own country, suggesting many many unreasonable laws such as ban Islam, internet, make it hard for many tech companies to operate and only government's budget for those.


I laughed at this.  ;D

Actually America is still great. It is just that countries are also trying to reach the level where America is, and actually they are starting to be better than it. That is cool for me. Cause that means people are still pursuing for a greater country.

It will still how the government will do it. They are the one who are in control and it should be for the good of the people not just the government.


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: cluit on March 22, 2016, 01:58:09 PM
put a limit on the salary, a maximum that regardless of who you're you can not exceed

stop printing rubbish paper endless, put a limit on printing, increase the value of each unit of your money and not their numbers

make it more difficult maybe to acquire fiat, so point 1 should make possible point 2 at least in part
I think point 1 is not going to happen and it would not have to happen as the prices at there of goods are at a certain height that people will be not able to afford their living, the point 2 is a good suggestion.


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: MedaR on March 22, 2016, 04:19:16 PM
Turn industry production on. Stop multinational corporations to move production lines in China.
Stop unnecessary war campaigns, and spendings. Stop pumping bubble and return to gold standard.
This will do it. 8)


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: vero on March 22, 2016, 05:06:40 PM
America is still one of the best countries in the world! i don't see something wrong with america, LOL. just laughing see this thread


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: tyz on March 22, 2016, 06:00:37 PM
First of all, you should clarify what it means to make America big again. Isn't is great anymore, is it? I do not really get the point.
If you mean economically then you need to know that it is decreasing because the world economy is suffering. America could not make it alone.


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: Betwrong on March 22, 2016, 06:38:12 PM
If someone is saying that America should be made great again it means he is regarding it as not great now and that's a nonsense becuase America is the greatest country in the world. I'm not saying it's perfect. Nobody's perfect. But among all other countries America is the greatest.


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: Racey on March 22, 2016, 06:54:38 PM
If someone is saying that America should be made great again it means he is regarding it as not great now and that's a nonsense becuase America is the greatest country in the world. I'm not saying it's perfect. Nobody's perfect. But among all other countries America is the greatest.

Say that to the innocent people at the end of a drone strike.

US foreign policy is shite.
America is not the greatest at all.


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: JosNekoKopa on March 22, 2016, 07:20:53 PM
America is still one of the best countries in the world! i don't see something wrong with america, LOL. just laughing see this thread
Yes and we all can talk about negative sides of America but we who are living in third world countries only can dream living in society like American. This is actually reality nobody wants to live in dictatorship.


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: techgeek on March 22, 2016, 09:58:56 PM
If there was a such a way to halve the fiat currency lol.

We would be great again.. seriously though its more of a systemic problem then donald trump though.

But if he gets into office theres a list of things that are concerning.. esp like ww3 with russia vs nato.


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on March 22, 2016, 10:58:26 PM
Americans love their bread and circuses, you know.  I'm American.  It takes a LOT to get people to get organized for a cause.  The last good one I saw was when people spoke up against SOPA.  And when Americans voiced their opinion about Obama's push to bomb Syria a couple years back.  You have some good points.


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: talks_cheep on March 23, 2016, 12:00:51 AM
Oh, yes, America will become great again. Everyone please vote for Donald Duck, let's elect him President.

I'm not writing in support of Trump. Read the post and tell me where I'm wrong.
Where did I say support Trump? Unless you thought Donald Duck and Donald Trump are one and the same. I can assure you Donald Duck and Donal Trump are TWO different individuals. One is a cartoon character and the other is a......Never mind.


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: Pab on March 23, 2016, 01:44:34 AM
I cant tell you how to make America great but to make world better place is to send politicians to back cosmic holes tay are playing games,building walls and causing wars


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: goinmerry on March 23, 2016, 08:42:30 AM
I cant tell you how to make America great but to make world better place is to send politicians to back cosmic holes tay are playing games,building walls and causing wars

If one country is against one then that is how a war is taking place. Look at North Korea how can we make this world a better place if that country is hiding everything in those walls.


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: MedaR on March 23, 2016, 05:25:02 PM
America must forget for global dominance and must start fight its own demons. They must stop unnecessary wars which are only good for war industry, and only small number of people actually have some benefits of it.
America needs system like Sweden has, this is probably only solution for good for people.


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: Bit_Happy on March 23, 2016, 05:29:29 PM
Bitcoin can make America great again!
Political solutions are generally not the answer. A project like Bitcoin has more potential to set people free than any smooth talking politician.


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: JosNekoKopa on March 23, 2016, 07:22:34 PM
Bitcoin can make America great again!
Political solutions are generally not the answer. A project like Bitcoin has more potential to set people free than any smooth talking politician.
Maybe if American people finally realise they are not only on the world and they become friends with others..
 This chance can come with BTC , and with others alts also. We are here one big family and we talking about good things.


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: techgeek on March 23, 2016, 07:36:57 PM
Bitcoin can make America great again!
Political solutions are generally not the answer. A project like Bitcoin has more potential to set people free than any smooth talking politician.
Maybe if American people finally realise they are not only on the world and they become friends with others..
 This chance can come with BTC , and with others alts also. We are here one big family and we talking about good things.

Its more like if Americans created more companies then looking for jobs then it would be great again..

The whole concept of america will be great again is a illusion.

As long we get cheap labor for other places of the world like apple does with their iphones theres no work here in the U.S.


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: Racey on March 23, 2016, 08:02:16 PM
Bitcoin can make America great again!
Political solutions are generally not the answer. A project like Bitcoin has more potential to set people free than any smooth talking politician.
Maybe if American people finally realise they are not only on the world and they become friends with others..
 This chance can come with BTC , and with others alts also. We are here one big family and we talking about good things.

Its more like if Americans created more companies then looking for jobs then it would be great again..

The whole concept of america will be great again is a illusion.

As long we get cheap labor for other places of the world like apple does with their iphones theres no work here in the U.S.

Cheap labor is a very big problem, how do they expect people to survive, even on low wages at home.
This is problematic in most western countries.

Detroit comes to mind, Detroit's downfall can happen anywhere.


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: Racey on March 23, 2016, 09:57:59 PM
America will never be great again if it continues to do all this......... (https://www.rt.com/op-edge/336785-world-war-break-silence/)


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: resources on March 23, 2016, 10:37:03 PM
The American trinity: Liberty , e pluribus unum( yeah, that melting pot concept), and In God We Trust


Title: Re: How to make America great again
Post by: chanchel on March 24, 2016, 04:56:34 AM
Capping salary is an idiotic idea of a total tyrant.  What's the point of working hard if i'm capped?  Might as well live off of the government.

If you want America to be great again, the first thing that has to happen is people have to honest.  Honesty, or the lack there of, has ruined almost every industry in America.

If you want America to be great again then people and the government need to live within their means.  No more debt is the only real solution, but unfortunately that will never happen.  The government will eventually default on one or more of their loans.  Then what happens?  China comes in and takes over everything?  When that happens the global economy will spiral forever downward.  Stock up on food and ammo (but don't let the department of homeland security know, because that makes you dangerous).