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Title: Federal Reserve internal website is hacked. 4000 US bank executive info leaked.
Post by: twolifeinexile on February 04, 2013, 11:27:28 PM
http://www.zdnet.com/anonymous-posts-over-4000-u-s-bank-executive-credentials-7000010740/

  4000 US bank executive login credentials and contact info is leaked by anonymous. The exact detail of the hack is still unknown, but since the leak contains password hash, this time it seems they indeed hacked a high-security well-guarded (who knows, maybe federal reserve is not that highly sophisticated) computer. Not sure what these login credentials are used for, but if this is the hack to the "Fedline", which system all US banks transferring money among themselves ( the transfer of federal reserve), this would be a very serious hack.
  

  Not sure what to say about these "kids", they may induce serious backfire if this is indeed the Fedline.

  And I think this news is highly relevant to bitcoin. At least,with bitcoin, there is no one point of failure comparing other currency arrangements.


Updated : Edited the title from "Breaking(unconfirmed): THE system is hacked?4000 US bank executive info leaked" to "Federal Reserve internal website is hacked. 4000 US bank executive info leaked."  News confirmed by Reuters: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/06/net-us-usa-fed-hackers-idUSBRE91501920130206
Though it is not Fedline or Fedwire, it is some internal website. Seems like just kidy hack rather than real breaking hack. "The website's purpose is to allow bank executives to update the Fed if their operations have been flooded or otherwise damaged in a storm or other disaster. That helps the Fed to assess the overall impact of the event on the banking system."



Title: Re: Breaking(unconfirmed): THE system is hacked?4000 US bank executive info leaked.
Post by: ArticMine on February 05, 2013, 12:07:40 AM
Has Anonymous really hacked the printing press at the US Federal Reserve or just embarrassed a few officials? There is a huge difference.


Title: Re: Breaking(unconfirmed): THE system is hacked?4000 US bank executive info leaked.
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on February 05, 2013, 12:14:05 AM
Probably the later.  IIRC FedWire uses asymetric encryption to sign transactions with the bank's private key. The whole PKI nine yards with CA, key revocation, HSM (hardware devices to securely store private keys).  How each bank chooses to sign transactions is up to internal policy but it isn't like FedWire is a web app which each bank CEO logins from his personal computer using his weak password and approves $250,000,000 worth of daily wire transfers.


Title: Re: Breaking(unconfirmed): THE system is hacked?4000 US bank executive info leaked.
Post by: BurtW on February 05, 2013, 01:14:58 AM
I liked this line:

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In 2007 the estimated average daily value of funds transferred via Fedline products was 2.7 trillion (an estimated 537,000 payments daily, the average was over $5 million per transaction).

Won't it be nice when the Bitcoin network handles that kind of volume?  ;)


Title: Re: Breaking(unconfirmed): THE system is hacked?4000 US bank executive info leaked.
Post by: notme on February 05, 2013, 01:31:50 AM
I liked this line:

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In 2007 the estimated average daily value of funds transferred via Fedline products was 2.7 trillion (an estimated 537,000 payments daily, the average was over $5 million per transaction).

Won't it be nice when the Bitcoin network handles that kind of volume?  ;)

If you just consider transactions we're doing over 10% of that:

http://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions


Title: Re: Breaking(unconfirmed): THE system is hacked?4000 US bank executive info leaked.
Post by: Bit_Happy on February 05, 2013, 01:36:50 AM
This is a huge story.
I support peaceful action, not cyber-crime.


Title: Re: Breaking(unconfirmed): THE system is hacked?4000 US bank executive info leaked.
Post by: humanitee on February 05, 2013, 02:16:05 AM
IIRC it's mostly local bank and credit unions.

If it's a leak by anonymous you can almost guarantee it's hyped and fucking retarded. They do absolutely nothing productive.

Anonymous == organized (debatable) vandalism


Title: Re: Breaking(unconfirmed): THE system is hacked?4000 US bank executive info leaked.
Post by: evolve on February 05, 2013, 02:28:02 AM
When we see massive internet censorship or a complete lockdown, we can all think Anonymous/LulSec/whatever the hell they call themselves these days.


Title: Re: Breaking(unconfirmed): THE system is hacked?4000 US bank executive info leaked.
Post by: iCEBREAKER on February 05, 2013, 03:03:38 AM
OH NOEZ TEH EVUL HAX0RZ ARE BEAN MEAN TO TEH POOR WIDDLE BANKSTERS!!!11!

WUT?  DIS IS NOT LULZY NAO I HAS A SAD *CRYS*

The British Loyalists supported "peaceful action" and called the Boston Tea Party a criminal act.  We know how that turned out.

You two would have made a terrible Minuteman; Thomas Jefferson and the Revolution would have offended you both greatly.

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IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Just because you choose to not exercise your right, and shirk your duty, to alter or abolish despotism doesn't mean others won't take up the slack.

I'm sure you two hate the law breaking whistleblowers behind ClimateGate for ruining the tyrannical Global Warming scam too, right?   :D



Title: Re: Breaking(unconfirmed): THE system is hacked?4000 US bank executive info leaked.
Post by: fancy_pants on February 05, 2013, 03:48:34 AM
I can just see 4000 direct calls bright and early tomorrow:  "Hello Mr. so-and-so?  This is Gus Grisham from IT.  We've had a security issue and I just need to get your current password to the system so I can change it down here on my end."


Title: Re: Breaking(unconfirmed): THE system is hacked?4000 US bank executive info leaked.
Post by: evolve on February 05, 2013, 04:45:35 AM
When we see massive internet censorship or a complete lockdown, we can all think Anonymous/LulSec/whatever the hell they call themselves these days.

No, we can thank the over reaching government that passes these regulations.

Do you punish all of your children when one of them does something wrong? No? Why not? Because that would be ridiculous! It certainly doesn't send the correct message.

It would absolutely be ridiculous, which is what my government does best.  I don't know if you are in the US, but over here the government uses whatever reason it can find to expand its control.  Anonymous is handing them that reason on a silver platter.


Title: Re: Breaking(unconfirmed): THE system is hacked?4000 US bank executive info leaked.
Post by: piramida on February 05, 2013, 02:14:38 PM
so you are being a good citizen, turning around and receiving it from your government, and hating those that don't? because you are afraid the master would punish you again? what a brave man you are.


Title: Re: Breaking(unconfirmed): THE system is hacked?4000 US bank executive info leaked.
Post by: evolve on February 05, 2013, 03:33:27 PM
Right, because a bunch of script kiddies vandalizing websites and shit does a whole lot to "fight the government".  Way to stick it to the man, tough guy.  ::)

 







Title: Re: Breaking(unconfirmed): THE system is hacked?4000 US bank executive info leaked.
Post by: twolifeinexile on February 05, 2013, 04:30:52 PM
This is a huge story.
I support peaceful action, not cyber-crime.

This kind of action always backfire, never good for the cause, (whatever cause those hackers are pursuing)


Title: Re: Breaking(unconfirmed): THE system is hacked?4000 US bank executive info leaked.
Post by: twolifeinexile on February 05, 2013, 04:32:49 PM
Probably the later.  IIRC FedWire uses asymetric encryption to sign transactions with the bank's private key. The whole PKI nine yards with CA, key revocation, HSM (hardware devices to securely store private keys).  How each bank chooses to sign transactions is up to internal policy but it isn't like FedWire is a web app which each bank CEO logins from his personal computer using his weak password and approves $250,000,000 worth of daily wire transfers.

In a way, it is pretty much like bitcoin... Did you notice? "private key signed transaction".


Title: Re: Breaking(unconfirmed): THE system is hacked?4000 US bank executive info leaked.
Post by: iCEBREAKER on February 05, 2013, 04:38:49 PM
Right, because a bunch of script kiddies vandalizing websites and shit does a whole lot to "fight the government".  Way to stick it to the man, tough guy.  ::)

WikiLeaks cause an international furor.

Heads rolled because of ClimateGate.  Al Gore's ManBearPig baloney was finished off for good.

Minimize and sneer all you like.  And enjoy your servitude.  Hope you like the taste of jackboot polish, toady.


Title: Re: Breaking(unconfirmed): THE system is hacked?4000 US bank executive info leaked.
Post by: evolve on February 05, 2013, 06:37:10 PM
You really think that supporting Wikileaks or (hahahahaha) "Climategate" changed anything??? REALLY?

Maybe you should pull Anons dick out of your mouth for 2 seconds and look around, because both of those had zero impact on US goverment operations or procedures.  

Fucking "Climategate" as an attack on "jackboot" thugs? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha



Title: Re: Breaking(unconfirmed): THE system is hacked?4000 US bank executive info leaked.
Post by: iCEBREAKER on February 05, 2013, 09:33:32 PM
You really think that Wikileaks or (hahahahaha) "Climategate" changed anything??? REALLY?
both of those had zero impact on US goverment operations or procedures.  

No impact?  What an extraordinary claim.  Too bad your mere assertions have zero evidence to back them up, unlike my references to well known facts about current events. 

Incredulity is not an argument.  Well, obviously for the inferior likes of *you* it is, but it's not a valid argument.

Your logical fallacy is explained here:  http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_incredulity

Please educate yourself better before suffering further public embarrassment. 

And yes, Climategate and Wikileaks both had non-zero impacts on government operations and procedures.

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Climate e-mail hack 'will impact on Copenhagen summit'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8392611.stm
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"Climategate did for the global warming controversy what the Pentagon Papers did for the Vietnam war 40 years ago: It changed the narrative decisively."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climategate#Public_opinion_and_political_fallout

You actually believe ManBearPig is real, and super cereal.  How unsurprising; how typically bootlicker.   :D

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Weighing the impact of the WikiLeaks disclosures
articles.washingtonpost.com/2011-05-04/lifestyle/35264588_1_release-of-diplomatic-cables-wikileaks-government-secrecy
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WikiLeaks' growing impact 
news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/29/what-is-wikileaks-2/
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WikiLeaks in Latin America: Online Whistleblower’s Wide Impact in Region Where Assange Seeks Asylum
http://www.democracynow.org/2012/8/3/wikileaks_in_latin_america_online_whistleblowers
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Analysis: Impact of Wikileaks' US cable publications
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11918573
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The Power of Information and the Impact of Wikileaks in Latin America
http://www.policymic.com/articles/12542/the-power-of-information-and-the-impact-of-wikileaks-in-latin-america
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Cablegate One Year Later: How WikiLeaks Has Influenced Foreign Policy, Journalism, and the First Amendment
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/11/cablegate-one-year-later-how-wikileaks-has-influenced-foreign-policy-journalism

Again, please get some education before further embarrassing yourself.  You've got a lot of catching up to do young man!


Title: Re: Breaking(unconfirmed): THE system is hacked?4000 US bank executive info leaked.
Post by: evolve on February 05, 2013, 09:47:47 PM
Anonymous =/= Wikileaks.  Anonymous supported Wikileaks (and doesnt anymore since Wikileaks put up the paywall) but Wikileaks is an independant organization. You are giving anonymous credit for other peoples work, and no that support did not change government operations or policy.

Same thing with "Climategate";  There is no conclusive proof that the hacker was affiliated with anonymous. Furthermore, the hacked documents do nothing to disprove global warming (I can go into how peer review and science in general works, if I need to) nor did it change operation or policy of the us government.

You seem to be confused on the issues, and the discussion in general. 





 


Title: Re: Breaking(unconfirmed): THE system is hacked?4000 US bank executive info leaked.
Post by: alexanderanon on February 05, 2013, 09:51:17 PM
You really think that Wikileaks or (hahahahaha) "Climategate" changed anything??? REALLY?
both of those had zero impact on US goverment operations or procedures.  

Incredulity is not an argument.  Well, obviously for the inferior likes of *you* it is, but it's not a valid argument.

Your logical fallacy is explained here:  http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_incredulity

Please educate yourself better before suffering further public embarrassment. 

...

Again, please get some education before further embarrassing yourself.  You've got a lot of catching up to do young man!


What are you, 17?

Do you interrupt people in real life informing them of what logical fallacy they just committed? The argument from incredulity is an argument that amounts to, "I consider your statement to be so trivial as to not deserve thorough repudiation." I actually do think wikileaks has had an impact, but shit, you're just a pretentious twat.


Title: Re: Breaking(unconfirmed): THE system is hacked?4000 US bank executive info leaked.
Post by: iCEBREAKER on February 05, 2013, 10:17:00 PM
Anonymous =/= wikileaks.  Anonymous supported wikileaks (and doesnt anymore since the paywall) but wikileaks is an independant organization. You are giving anonymous credit for other peoples work, and no that support did not change government operations or policy.

Same thing with "Climategate";  There is no conclusive proof that the hacker was affiliated with anonymous. Furthermore, the hacked emails do nothing to disprove global warming nor did it change operation or policy of the us government.

Thank you for conceding that Climategate and Wikileaks had non-zero impacts (and shame on your English teacher for not warning you about making 'always and never' statements.)

We don't know how much, if any, overlap exists between Anons, Assange, and the CRU whistleblower(s?).  So let's avoid both conflation and over-compartmentalization.

However, all fall squarely into the general category of "hacktivism."  As does the leaked bankster info.

And don't forget this concept, which flies in the face of your attempt to put things in rigidly defined little boxes:

https://i.imgur.com/rVo4949.jpg

You simply don't understand the full depth of Climategate.  It was about much more than "hacked emails" (that's the illiterate idiot version).

The smart person version of Climategate is about the leaked source code and data of the previously secret computer models, which were exposed as a load of unscientific rubbish upon their (intentionally avoided) public review.

Do you know any basic programming concepts?  Good!  Then you know what an array is.

Now, what happens to a data set when you manipulate it with an array of numbers that produce the desired hockey stick?

That's right, any given input is warped into the predetermined hockey stick.

The coder even called it a fudge factor.

Evidence of scientific malpractice doesn't get any more damning that the disclosures provided in the artfully curated Climategate archive.

I bet Al Gore calls you when he has a reluctant massage therapist, so you can enthusiastically finish the (hand) job.  Poor Tipper, no wonder she left that loser!   ;D


Title: Re: Breaking(unconfirmed): THE system is hacked?4000 US bank executive info leaked.
Post by: evolve on February 05, 2013, 10:26:04 PM
Thank you for conceding that Climategate and Wikileaks had non-zero impacts (and shame on your English teacher for not warning you about making 'always and never' statements.)

The funny thing is, I simply reiterated the same statement I made in the post before that (the one that sent you off on your little rant). Obviously, your reading comprehension sucks and you have no interest in discussing the issue (beyond masturbating over your fetish for sad teen hackers), so I'm done.  

I'm sure Anonymous appreciates you publicly fellating them on bitcointalk, though; keep up the good work champ, you're doing gods work.



Title: Re: Breaking(unconfirmed): THE system is hacked?4000 US bank executive info leaked.
Post by: iCEBREAKER on February 05, 2013, 10:52:25 PM
Thank you for conceding that Climategate and Wikileaks had non-zero impacts (and shame on your English teacher for not warning you about making 'always and never' statements.)

The funny thing is, I simply reiterated the same statement I made in the post before that (the one that sent you off on your little rant). Obviously, your reading comprehension sucks and you have no interest in discussing the issue (beyond masturbating over your fetish for sad teen hackers), so I'm done.  

I'm sure Anonymous appreciates you publicly fellating them on bitcointalk, though; keep up the good work champ, you're doing gods work.

My reading comprehension is in the top 1%, which is why I understand that Climategate is about far more than "hurr durr hacked emails."

You have zero evidence that Climategate was done by a teen hacker.  It was more likely an insider at the CRU, old enough to have two or three advanced degrees.

Reiterate all you like, it does nothing to refute the provided citations.

My fetish is for the free flow of information.  That means I believe in its power to promote the public good and retard the nefarious agenda of the Carbon Taxers.

Don't fall for Al Gore too hard.  You saw how he treated old Tipper.  When he tires of putting his Nobel Prize deep inside you while you 'massage' him, you'll get your heart broken.
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thepiratebay.se/torrent/6906572/Climate_Gate_Leaks_1_and_2
https://i.imgur.com/N988aoX.jpg
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Title: Re: Breaking(unconfirmed): THE system is hacked?4000 US bank executive info leaked.
Post by: evolve on February 05, 2013, 11:06:03 PM
Thank you for conceding that Climategate and Wikileaks had non-zero impacts (and shame on your English teacher for not warning you about making 'always and never' statements.)

The funny thing is, I simply reiterated the same statement I made in the post before that (the one that sent you off on your little rant). Obviously, your reading comprehension sucks and you have no interest in discussing the issue (beyond masturbating over your fetish for sad teen hackers), so I'm done. 

I'm sure Anonymous appreciates you publicly fellating them on bitcointalk, though; keep up the good work champ, you're doing gods work.

My reading comprehension is in the top 1%, which is why I understand that Climategate is about far more than "hurr durr hacked emails."

You have zero evidence that Climategate was done by a teen hacker.  It was more likely an insider at the CRU, old enough to have two or three advanced degrees.

Reiterate all you like, it does nothing to refute the provided citations.

My fetish is for the free flow of information.  That means I believe in its power to promote the public good and retard the nefarious agenda of the Carbon Taxers.

Don't fall for Al Gore too hard.  You saw how he treated old Tipper.  When he tires of putting his Nobel Prize deep inside you while you 'massage' him, you'll get your heart broken.
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thepiratebay.se/torrent/6906572/Climate_Gate_Leaks_1_and_2
https://i.imgur.com/N988aoX.jpg
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Yeah, I said I was done, but I had to quote this before you changed it.  This entire post shows the lack of reading comprehension I was talking about perfectly! 

Thanks man, you just made my day!  ;D





BTW that is pretty sweet orange "ignore" button you've got there....I wonder what happens if I click it?



Title: Re: Breaking(unconfirmed): THE system is hacked?4000 US bank executive info leaked.
Post by: iCEBREAKER on February 05, 2013, 11:35:50 PM
 ???  Twat did you say? 

 8)  I cunt hear you.

https://i.imgur.com/No9AqwB.jpg?1

Was is something like this?


Title: Re: Breaking(unconfirmed): THE system is hacked?4000 US bank executive info leaked.
Post by: iCEBREAKER on February 05, 2013, 11:54:29 PM
>:(  What are you, 17?  >:(

I'm old enough to not fall prey to silly, obvious trolling (unlike you).

That's right, get all upset because of some text on a computer screen.  Don't forget to write a pouty, indignant response, so everyone may see how thin skinned you are. 

>:(   >:(  Do you interrupt people in real life informing them of what logical fallacy they just committed?    >:(   >:(

Yes I do.  When a logical fallacy is committed, there's no reason to continue talking or listening.  I'm doing the speaker of fallacy a favor.


:'(   :'(   :'(  I actually do think wikileaks has had an impact, but shit, you're just a pretentious twat.  :'(  :'(  :'(

Great, at least your not as ill informed as devolve.  That retard's hatred and jealousy of hacktivism is preventing him from grasping some pretty basic common knowledge.

And I'm not *just* a pretentious twat.  I'm also absurdly pedantic.  It's so over the top, most people immediately catch on to the joke.

Ah well, somebody needs to keep the short bus driver employed.  Remember, internets is serious business!


Title: Re: Breaking(unconfirmed): THE system is hacked?4000 US bank executive info leaked.
Post by: ElectricMucus on February 06, 2013, 12:00:47 AM
What the hell is this thread doing in speculation it belongs to politics & society or at least off-topic
climategate is completely unrelated to this.

Do something useful like finding the keys and methods to extract this information from the torrents.



Title: Re: Breaking(unconfirmed): THE system is hacked?4000 US bank executive info leaked.
Post by: arepo on February 06, 2013, 02:27:14 AM
What the hell is this thread doing in speculation it belongs to politics & society or at least off-topic
climategate is completely unrelated to this.

Do something useful like finding the keys and methods to extract this information from the torrents.



+1

icebreaker just turned this thread into his conspiracy theory soapbox


Title: Re: Breaking(unconfirmed): THE system is hacked?4000 US bank executive info leaked.
Post by: iCEBREAKER on February 06, 2013, 04:40:21 AM
IDK why this this duplicate thread about Anon doxing banksters is posted in Speculation. 

Maybe speculation on the dollar collapse's impact on the POB was anticipated?

Climategate came up because some talking orifice said hacktivism is the work of the devil and doesn't have any impact.

That set off ManBearPig's True Believers.  They can't stand dissent and unauthorized conduct, much less attempts at deprogramming.  Lulzy hostility ensued.   8)



Title: Re: Breaking(unconfirmed): THE system is hacked?4000 US bank executive info leaked.
Post by: notme on February 06, 2013, 09:36:59 PM
There is no conclusive proof that the hacker was affiliated with anonymous.

You don't get how anonymous works do you?


Title: Re: Breaking(unconfirmed): THE system is hacked?4000 US bank executive info leaked.
Post by: notme on February 06, 2013, 09:39:23 PM
There is no conclusive proof that the hacker was affiliated with anonymous.

You don't get how anonymous works do you?

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_(group)

Membership
It is impossible to 'join' Anonymous, as there is no leadership, no ranking, and no single means of communication. Anonymous is spread over many mediums and languages, with membership being achieved simply by wishing to join.

Get it now?


Title: Re: Breaking(unconfirmed): THE system is hacked?4000 US bank executive info leaked.
Post by: iCEBREAKER on February 06, 2013, 11:10:44 PM
"Baa-baa, milk me.  Baa-baa, shear me.  Baa-baa, cull me."

You don't get how anonymous works do you?

He knows exactly how anonymous works.  But he doesn't like it.  It hurts his widdle fee-fees.

So he'll demand something that cannot be produced, in order to deny, denigrate, and minimize.

Don't expect much of the sheeple and you won't be disappointed.