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Title: Bitcoin really is going down the toilet.
Post by: edmundduke on April 01, 2016, 03:02:39 PM
It really is getting ridiculous. When sending any meaningful amounts of BTC the TX's get ignored for hours, it has gotten so bad that at this point i would take any damn solution, call it Bip 9000 and have NSA put backdoors in it if you want but this god damn snail pace coin confirming needs to stop.
Someone make a service to push TX through, i would happily pay for it.

/Rant


Title: Re: uᴉoɔʇᴉq really is going down the toilet.
Post by: lolgato1 on April 01, 2016, 03:06:12 PM
It seems like it's not a block confirmation taking long but not enough fee it's probably because all the people who place there transaction had higher fee than you so obviously they will take the ones with higher fees? I only had that happen to me once and it was because I had a low fee.


Title: Re: uᴉoɔʇᴉq really is going down the toilet.
Post by: avikz on April 01, 2016, 03:18:32 PM
Yes, low network fees transaction takes longer than normal transactions. That might be a reason. I usually get my transactions funded within 30 minutes. Never had any problem like yours.

But don't worry, even if it takes time, it will eventually be cleared. Only it will take longer time. That's it!


Title: Re: uᴉoɔʇᴉq really is going down the toilet.
Post by: BitcoinSupremo on April 01, 2016, 03:24:28 PM
Do you maybe put lower than recommended transaction fees? If thats the case its normal your transaction will take ages to confirm. Just use a wallet like Electrum which automatically choose the recommended fee for you so max you wait 1 hour when the network is superbusy otherwise 10 minutes is enough for 1 confirmation. We all need that 1 confirmation so we can have those BTC spendable right away.


Title: Re: uᴉoɔʇᴉq really is going down the toilet.
Post by: edmundduke on April 01, 2016, 03:27:57 PM
No i did not put a "lower" fee. The thing is BTC itself is bloated as fuck thats the issue, i was always supporting "core" but if any other team can now say they will fix it right away i would support them as this is just unacceptable.


Title: Re: uᴉoɔʇᴉq really is going down the toilet.
Post by: theymos on April 01, 2016, 03:28:27 PM
That typically only happens when you're using a wallet with a fixed fee. Fees need to be dynamically adjusted according to network conditions. Bitcoin Core does this, as do a few other wallets.


Title: Re: uᴉoɔʇᴉq really is going down the toilet.
Post by: OgNasty on April 01, 2016, 03:35:16 PM
Someone make a service to push TX through, i would happily pay for it.

Then why not just pay an appropriate fee?  Surely that would be cheaper than having to send a fee (with another tx fee) to pay for a service to allow you to circumvent paying a larger fee to send your transaction.


No i did not put a "lower" fee. The thing is BTC itself is bloated as fuck thats the issue, i was always supporting "core" but if any other team can now say they will fix it right away i would support them as this is just unacceptable.

Show us the transaction you're complaining about so we can point out that you're wildly underpaying for the service you're expecting.


Title: Re: uᴉoɔʇᴉq really is going down the toilet.
Post by: edmundduke on April 01, 2016, 03:43:44 PM
Someone make a service to push TX through, i would happily pay for it.

Then why not just pay an appropriate fee?  Surely that would be cheaper than having to send a fee (with another tx fee) to pay for a service to allow you to circumvent paying a larger fee to send your transaction.


No i did not put a "lower" fee. The thing is BTC itself is bloated as fuck thats the issue, i was always supporting "core" but if any other team can now say they will fix it right away i would support them as this is just unacceptable.

Show us the transaction you're complaining about so we can point out that you're wildly underpaying for the service you're expecting.

I sent it with default fees, MB wallet sends it like this:

https://blockchain.info/tx-index/5bc33bf29987c995cb9c11f052c5b2792b5890e414806fc27df7a7fe93101c45


Title: Re: uᴉoɔʇᴉq really is going down the toilet.
Post by: pereira4 on April 01, 2016, 04:12:31 PM
Never had a problem with the speed of transactions using Bitcoin Core and even from an exchange or from a casino back to core it's still pretty fast considering you are getting the most secure transfer on earth and in a decentralized network.
You will have to deal with it until we have Lightning Network if you want super fast + cheap transactions.


Title: Re: uᴉoɔʇᴉq really is going down the toilet.
Post by: Jhanzo on April 01, 2016, 04:14:35 PM

I sent it with default fees, MB wallet sends it like this:

https://blockchain.info/tx-index/5bc33bf29987c995cb9c11f052c5b2792b5890e414806fc27df7a7fe93101c45

what's a MB wallet? that transaction only includes 0.0001 fee for 1kb transaction so of course it will take long. wallets may have "default fees" but the network doesn't, the fees always changes according to the current condition. in the future I suggests that you take a look what's the current recommended fees on https://bitcoinfees.21.co/ first before sending.


Title: Re: uᴉoɔʇᴉq really is going down the toilet.
Post by: West man on April 01, 2016, 04:18:34 PM

I sent it with default fees, MB wallet sends it like this:

https://blockchain.info/tx-index/5bc33bf29987c995cb9c11f052c5b2792b5890e414806fc27df7a7fe93101c45

what's a MB wallet? that transaction only includes 0.0001 fee for 1kb transaction so of course it will take long. wallets may have "default fees" but the network doesn't, the fees always changes according to the current condition. in the future I suggests that you take a look what's the current recommended fees on https://bitcoinfees.21.co/ first before sending.
I think he is saying he uses MultiBit as a uᴉoɔʇᴉq wallet. MB for short form of not having to write out entire wallet's name. I would suggest trying from a different wallet as I have had similar issues with that one, so I tend to stay away from ones that have reoccurring problems.
I do not want to play with my bitcoins.


Title: Re: uᴉoɔʇᴉq really is going down the toilet.
Post by: Avirunes on April 01, 2016, 04:19:58 PM
Someone make a service to push TX through, i would happily pay for it.

Then why not just pay an appropriate fee?  Surely that would be cheaper than having to send a fee (with another tx fee) to pay for a service to allow you to circumvent paying a larger fee to send your transaction.


No i did not put a "lower" fee. The thing is BTC itself is bloated as fuck thats the issue, i was always supporting "core" but if any other team can now say they will fix it right away i would support them as this is just unacceptable.

Show us the transaction you're complaining about so we can point out that you're wildly underpaying for the service you're expecting.

I sent it with default fees, MB wallet sends it like this:

https://blockchain.info/tx-index/5bc33bf29987c995cb9c11f052c5b2792b5890e414806fc27df7a7fe93101c45

Well you paid only 0.0001 fees that was very much low for a 4BTC transaction.I recommend you to use web wallet to adjust fees that is rightly available in " Send" section.However you can check this to adjust fees rates :- https://multibit.org/en/help/hd0.1/fees.html


I sent it with default fees, MB wallet sends it like this:

https://blockchain.info/tx-index/5bc33bf29987c995cb9c11f052c5b2792b5890e414806fc27df7a7fe93101c45

what's a MB wallet?

MultiBit HD Desktop Wallet


Title: Re: uᴉoɔʇᴉq really is going down the toilet.
Post by: Jhanzo on April 01, 2016, 04:25:02 PM
Well you paid only 0.0001 fees that was very much low for a 4BTC transaction.

no please. large amount of BTCitcoin doesn't mean you have to pay higher fees. if anything that will make the transaction have higher priority because of the high amount of btc transferred.
it's the large size of the transaction that makes it require higher fees.

what's a MB wallet?

MultiBit Desktop Wallet

ah I see.


Title: Re: uᴉoɔʇᴉq really is going down the toilet.
Post by: numismatist on April 01, 2016, 04:27:55 PM
It really is getting ridiculous. When sending any meaningful amounts of BTC the TX's get ignored for hours, it has gotten so bad that at this point i would take any damn solution, call it Bip 9000 and have NSA put backdoors in it if you want but this god damn snail pace coin confirming needs to stop.
Someone make a service to push TX through, i would happily pay for it.

/Rant

That is because of the mining monopoly. Do you mine B1tcoin at home? No, you cant. Bitc0in is run by two or three mining monopolists.

Satoshis idea died.


Title: Re: uᴉoɔʇᴉq really is going down the toilet.
Post by: Amph on April 01, 2016, 04:33:28 PM
It really is getting ridiculous. When sending any meaningful amounts of BTC the TX's get ignored for hours, it has gotten so bad that at this point i would take any damn solution, call it Bip 9000 and have NSA put backdoors in it if you want but this god damn snail pace coin confirming needs to stop.
Someone make a service to push TX through, i would happily pay for it.

/Rant

That is because of the mining monopoly. Do you mine B1tcoin at home? No, you cant. Bitc0in is run by two or three mining monopolists.

Satoshis idea died.

you need to check again satoshi's quote, because 2-3 big pool was exactly in the mind of satoshi when he was thinking about long term mining


Title: Re: uᴉoɔʇᴉq really is going down the toilet.
Post by: Denker on April 01, 2016, 04:34:48 PM
Someone make a service to push TX through, i would happily pay for it.

Then why not just pay an appropriate fee?  Surely that would be cheaper than having to send a fee (with another tx fee) to pay for a service to allow you to circumvent paying a larger fee to send your transaction.


No i did not put a "lower" fee. The thing is BTC itself is bloated as fuck thats the issue, i was always supporting "core" but if any other team can now say they will fix it right away i would support them as this is just unacceptable.

Show us the transaction you're complaining about so we can point out that you're wildly underpaying for the service you're expecting.

I sent it with default fees, MB wallet sends it like this:

https://blockchain.info/tx-index/5bc33bf29987c995cb9c11f052c5b2792b5890e414806fc27df7a7fe93101c45

Your transaction is almost 1kb big.
For that size the fee of 0,0001 BTC is too small I'd say.
50 satoshi per byte is recommended at the moment.
So 0,0004-0,0005 BTC as fee and you would have been fine.


Title: Re: uᴉoɔʇᴉq really is going down the toilet.
Post by: OgNasty on April 01, 2016, 07:03:45 PM
I sent it with default fees, MB wallet sends it like this:

https://blockchain.info/tx-index/5bc33bf29987c995cb9c11f052c5b2792b5890e414806fc27df7a7fe93101c45

Ya, you're right on the line as far as transaction size and fee cost.  If you had paid a 0.00013 BTC fee I suspect it would have gone through within minutes.  Like theymos says above, use a wallet with dynamically adjusted fees.  It will actually save you money, as smaller transactions would use a fee less than the current 0.0001 BTC you are paying.


Title: Re: Bitcoin really is going down the toilet.
Post by: bitbaby on April 02, 2016, 02:59:37 AM
Try electrum OP, set the fee to dynamic 50k Sats per kb (0.0005 BTC/Kb), your fee would be auto adjusted in all the transactions you make and all of them will confirm within the next 2 blocks.


Title: Re: Bitcoin really is going down the toilet.
Post by: BTCBinary on April 02, 2016, 03:10:42 AM
It really is getting ridiculous. When sending any meaningful amounts of BTC the TX's get ignored for hours, it has gotten so bad that at this point i would take any damn solution, call it Bip 9000 and have NSA put backdoors in it if you want but this god damn snail pace coin confirming needs to stop.
Someone make a service to push TX through, i would happily pay for it.

/Rant

I don't know what wallet or service you are using?
Usually my transactions doesn't take that long. One our max, but they come eften come much ealier.
Are you sure this wasn't an april's foll?


Title: Re: Bitcoin really is going down the toilet.
Post by: Rubberduckie on April 02, 2016, 04:00:31 AM
for the past week all my transactions are taking forever even
with the recommended amount of fees

The other night I finally just went to sleep as I was tired of waiting for nitrogen
to get my cash to my wallet.


Title: Re: Bitcoin really is going down the toilet.
Post by: SFR10 on April 02, 2016, 05:15:59 AM
From what I see, many up until now, don't know yet how to calculate transaction fee's and as result always tend to blame the way network reacts to each transaction. Just because a transaction is consist of 0.0001 BTC as a fee, doesn't mean that, it's enough for it to be confirmed in the next block. I'll try to explain the process of transaction size estimation:

For reference, let's take your transaction into example: https://blockchain.info/tx-index/5bc33bf29987c995cb9c11f052c5b2792b5890e414806fc27df7a7fe93101c45
There is 6 inputs and 2 outputs (most transactions automatically give you 2 outputs if your sending to one person)
Number of inputs should be multiplied by 148 (the number changes sometimes) + the number of outputs multiplied by 34 +10 or -10 (mostly it's +10)
6 x 148 (888) + 2 x 34 (68) +10 or -10
888 + 68 +10 = 966 bytes (close estimation as in your transaction was 964)

On a side note: For fast confirmation a 60 Satoshi is recommended per byte

Best possible way to know the inputs is to know and calculate the transactions on your account and see how many inputs will be needed from the remaining unspent one's in order to calculate the inputs prior to sending (not sure if there's a wallet that does this automatically but I'm saying this base on my experience of using blockchain.info only)

There's another thing that would help in most cases and that is the feature in blockchain.info (not sure if it exist on others too) that You would choose the fee from normal to generous and automatically each transaction will have a fee of 0.001 as base fee.

The fee for your transaction should have been 0.0005784 to be as high priority transaction that would get confirm within the next block.


Title: Re: uᴉoɔʇᴉq really is going down the toilet.
Post by: jak1 on April 02, 2016, 06:03:06 AM
I sent it with default fees, MB wallet sends it like this:

https://blockchain.info/tx-index/5bc33bf29987c995cb9c11f052c5b2792b5890e414806fc27df7a7fe93101c45

Ya, you're right on the line as far as transaction size and fee cost.  If you had paid a 0.00013 BTC fee I suspect it would have gone through within minutes.  Like theymos says above, use a wallet with dynamically adjusted fees.  It will actually save you money, as smaller transactions would use a fee less than the current 0.0001 BTC you are paying.

For the transaction to complete quickly and on time, you should not change the Default fee which is being deducted by the client. If you put to low a fee, you know it will takes ages to complete the transaction.


Title: Re: Bitcoin really is going down the toilet.
Post by: ultimatesky on April 21, 2016, 01:32:02 PM
No I still believe in Bitcoin and so do many other Bitcoin users. The price is now rising so this is attracting people again to come and use Bitcoin. Bitcoin is heading the good way and I am looking forward to the future. 


Title: Re: Bitcoin really is going down the toilet.
Post by: BitcoinNewsMagazine on April 21, 2016, 02:10:25 PM
I sent it with default fees, MB wallet sends it like this:

https://blockchain.info/tx-index/5bc33bf29987c995cb9c11f052c5b2792b5890e414806fc27df7a7fe93101c45

Ya, you're right on the line as far as transaction size and fee cost.  If you had paid a 0.00013 BTC fee I suspect it would have gone through within minutes.  Like theymos says above, use a wallet with dynamically adjusted fees.  It will actually save you money, as smaller transactions would use a fee less than the current 0.0001 BTC you are paying.

For the transaction to complete quickly and on time, you should not change the Default fee which is being deducted by the client. If you put to low a fee, you know it will takes ages to complete the transaction.

Sometimes, default fee by client isn't good, especially if you use old version of client.
If i'm right, default tx fee now should be 0.0005BTC/KN, so he should pay 0.0005BTC because his transaction size is almost reached 1KB.

He should blame himself, not bitcoin network because his fault.

Agree. For a 964 byte transaction he should have used .0005 fee instead of the .0001 actually used according to bitcoinfees (https://bitcoinfees.21.co/). I use .0005 fee for all transactions. Since many wallets still default to .0001 I always get confirmed fast.


Title: Re: Bitcoin really is going down the toilet.
Post by: Bitcoinpro on April 21, 2016, 02:17:33 PM
It really is getting ridiculous. When sending any meaningful amounts of BTC the TX's get ignored for hours, it has gotten so bad that at this point i would take any damn solution, call it Bip 9000 and have NSA put backdoors in it if you want but this god damn snail pace coin confirming needs to stop.
Someone make a service to push TX through, i would happily pay for it.

/Rant

It's a gold plated diamond encrusted toilet and the water is made of

Silver solution


Title: Re: Bitcoin really is going down the toilet.
Post by: Nevis on April 21, 2016, 02:19:27 PM
It really is getting ridiculous. When sending any meaningful amounts of BTC the TX's get ignored for hours, it has gotten so bad that at this point i would take any damn solution, call it Bip 9000 and have NSA put backdoors in it if you want but this god damn snail pace coin confirming needs to stop.
Someone make a service to push TX through, i would happily pay for it.

/Rant
The price of bitcoin is now reaching $445, how is that really going down to toilet? it just a confirmation, you can wait for it, than paying high fee from banks