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A German comedian could face prosecution in his own country for "insulting" Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

Jan Böhmermann, a satirical comedian, is being investigated by German authorities under defamation laws for a poem in which he calls the Turkish premier a "goat f*****" and other insults.

He could face up to five years in prison if Turkey's foreign ministers, who were reportedly angered by the programme, decide to press charges and he is convicted, according to Der Tagesspiegel.

"Erdogan is definitely a president with a small tail," says the comedian, in a line where "tail" is understood in German to refer to another part of the male anatomy.
Recep Tayyip Erdogan's craziest quotes

The popular young comedian was reportedly trying to outdo the offensiveness of an earlier song insulting Erdogan, which Ankara officially complained about in March.

"What I'm about to read is not allowed. If it were to be read in public - that would be forbidden in Germany," said Mr Böhmermann before going on to read his "smear poem" on public broadcaster ZDF, according to The Local.

He also said Mr Erdogan "watches child porn while kicking Kurds", in reference to accusations against the Turkish president that he is persecuting the Kurdish minority in the country.

To avert diplomatic tensions, Angela Merkel personally called Turkish prime minister Ahmet Davutoglu and agreed the poem was a "deliberate insult".

She has recently helped broker a deal with Mr Erdogan that for every refugee returned from Greece back to Turkey, one will be admitted into the EU from Turkey's refugee camps.

ZDF removed the programme from its website.

Under paragraph 103 of the German Criminal Code, insulting a foreign head of state can result in a three-year jail term, while an intended slander can stretch to five years.

Such "insult laws" still exist in Austria, Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, the Netherlands, Portugal, Romania, Spain and Sweden, according to a report from Pen International, which campaigns on behalf of imprisoned writers.

Mr Erdogan said at the start of April that he welcomed criticism but would "file a lawsuit" against anyone who insulted him.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/german-comedian-jan-b-hmermann-could-face-prison-for-insulting-smear-poem-against-turkish-president-a6972356.html



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I wonder if W Bush or TRUMP was ever insulted in this anti free speech country...

Some countries have really unbeliveable laws. What about a freedom of speech? At the end he's an artist

I am confused. For long, I was having a perception that Germany was a vassal state of the United States. However, for the past few years, it looks like Germany is becoming the vassal state of Turkey. Germany is about to grant € 20 billion in tax payer funds to Turkey, and Turkish citizens will be allowed to enter Germany without a Visa.

BTW.. what is wrong in calling Erdogan a goat-fucker? His love for goats (and camels) is well-known throughout the middle-east.

What a load of shit, this shouldn't even be an issue for fucks sake, especially in a supposedly democratic country, Germany should grow some balls and tell Turkey to fuck off, but I guess Europe likes the middle eastern oil too much that it will consider sacrificing one of it's own citizens to the madman that leads that country.

Only someone of an immature mental capacity cant take or accept the existence of criticism. Edrogan is a new Stalin and Hitler all rolled into one.

There's not being able to take criticism, which can be understandable sometimes and then there's deliberately going out of your way to get somebody thrown into jail over it.

Yes, it's easier to insult Hitler than Erdogan in today's Germany, but don't worry, nothing will happen, and no one will be sent to jail. Erdogan's critic on press' freedom has brought major news coverage in Germany, with several members of the parliament defending free speech in Turkey, so it cannot get worse in Germany.

http://www.businessinsider.com/r-germany-says-press-freedom-non-negotiable-in-talks-with-turkey-2016-3?IR=T

I suppose it's better than what Putin would do... he simply murders his opposition... sometimes using radioactive isotopes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia)

The poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko with polonium has recently been exposed as a US intelligence plot to attack Putin's credibility given that Russia is the largest supplier of polonium. That being said, I am sure he has put his fair share of journalists under the dirt, as has Obama and many other past presidents. In the US they just take more time being sneaky about it.

What a surprise, I see this bullshit once again. He also eats children btw.

Seriously, guys, you need to invent something new. :D

An average price of Litvinenko-poisoning dose on the US market is somewhat about $50. And still, these idiots are claiming that it was Putin. So logical, oh yeah.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfI9wPfWIAAHXsh.jpg

I knew freedom of speech is very limited in Europe, but this is new for me. Jailing people for their opinion on foreign dictators, who came up with that?
Meanwhile everybody called Bush a monkey for years, nobody went to jail.

This is simply stupid. They're claiming that USSR was a dictatorship, but even in the USSR everybody was able to say that Fidel Castro is an idiot, without getting imprisoned after that.

P.S. By the way, I'm agree that Erdogan is a goatfucker and braindead lunatic. He's also a corrupt, selfish and unbelievably stupid clown. He's not even a real man, but rather a transvestite.

P.P.S. Actually, I'd say that same applies to majority of european politicians. Just for example, there is no doubts that Merkel is also a braindead transvestite. Allowing the countless hordes of unwashed rapists to enter the country is even more than stupid.

Turkish president? lol He is not a president. He is a dictator. But dont worry, i think KGB will take care of him very soon.

agree, but you know, some people will confused between the sense of humor and the disrespect and this is not the first time that this happen.

A good and intelligent man told me one time, the IA will come when machines are able to build a joke... we are going to the opposite...

So we are becoming humorless machines while we try to make machines more like humans?

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He will be around for a while. He is in good terms with the NATO heads of state (especially with Merkel and Obama), and he is also supported by the Israelis and the Saudis. And despite butchering thousands of Kurds recently, the mainstream media has refused to condemn him. The opposition is disunited and fragmented.

Hello, I'm a German ;)

Just to set a few things right and into perspective:
freedom of speech is not really limited in Germany.
As long as you voice your opinions, there are just a few minor things you may not say, and even if you do, you usually face a minor fine like a couple hundred bucks.

It is for example illegal to:
- deny the Holocaust + some other "Nazi" stuff
- propagate violence against minorities, e.g. "Kill all muslims!"
- insult people directly and in a demeaning way, e.g. "Peter is an asshole"
- publicly claim as a fact which is not, e.g. "Barack Obama is a convicted child molester"

All of these (and some other exceptions I might have forgotten) may result in prosecution, usually not by a state attorney (only in cases one and two), but by the person you insulted.
If this person is a public figure, it is even asserted that they have to bear a higher level of insult and false statements against them. While I personally could sue someone for calling me an asshole, our chancellor probably could not.

Now, in the case of Erdogan and the comedian, the comedian specifically tailored the words of his poem in a way that is definitely, and without any doubt whatsoever, illegal. Which is precisely what he wanted. He even called his own poem a "Schmähkritik" which is the precise legal definition of where you cross the border of legal to illegal.

If you now believe that the prosecution of this comedian is something against the comedian, you simply don't understand the comedian himself, and his humor is lost on you, sorry, guys. ;)

TLDR; crossing the border to illegality was precisely what the comedian wanted, and what's so funny about it. In no way is freedom of speech in any danger by it.

If you believe in freedom of speech and expression, you shouldn't have a problem with people insulting other people, as for holocaust denial, making that illegal is idiotic because it can be easily disproven with fact.


This falls under slander and libel, it doesn't require special laws, holy shit Germany is a stupid country when it comes to free speech :( which is a shame, because they have very sensible laws on Bitcoin.

And it's precisely the same in Germany.
It's slander and libel. I just looked it up in the dictionary.
What do you think slander and libel are if not laws setting limits to freedom of speech?

As seen above, more or less the same limits to freedom of speech apply in the US.
With the exceptions of Nazi stuff and propagation of violence, as far as I know.

I personally would be more afraid of voicing my opinion in the US than in Germany, simply because the amounts you may be sued for may be ridiculously huge over there, whereas you usually only risk a couple hundred bucks here. ;)
There's just no way someone could sue me for a couple million bucks in good old Germany :)

yeah, I think three-year jail term is too long for insulting a president. why don't give a little ease? maybe punish them with months jail term, not years.

so just be careful with your tongue. it can be sharper than a sword in case of breaking someone's heart.

I really thought Germany was better than that. I was really surprised to learn german laws was protecting all the dictators and killers in the world.
You did not chose to be born in germany so you are not responsible for this situation.

First of all, he will almost certainly not go to jail, not even for a single day.
Laws state a maximum term, and that's it. Even if he would be found guilty, which is highly unlikely, he would certainly get a measly three months or so, on parole. No jail at all. That's just the way German law works.
Why do you think a comedian, with a professional editorial staff behind him, working for one of the largest media "company"s in Germany, did precisely what he did? Simply because he knows what will happen to him: exactly nothing at all.

By the way, unlike in other jurisdictions, German jail terms are not usually cumulative. So, you don't face three years for the libel plus another 5 years for slander, but rather just one of the two. Kind of a "jail term discount" ;D

Now don't get me wrong here. There are some very good reasons to be upset about the whole cause of this affair. But if people from e.g. the US believe it's about a limit to freedom of speech, it's simply because they don't understand at all what the comedy is all about.

As I said before, his humor's lost on you. :D


No German law protects any dictator or killer more than any other person.
But, of course, as in the US and practically all "civilized" countries in the world, the law makes no distinction between the people concerned. All men are equal.

BTW, a dictator who is prosecuted by the International Criminal Court would be delivered to Den Haag by Germany.
Fun fact: not by e.g. the USA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_parties_to_the_Rome_Statute_of_the_International_Criminal_Court). But I guess that's just a matter of time.


To sum it up again: the topic you've started is a misunderstanding of the comedian's case.
You simply don't understand his humor and how funny (or not, depending upon taste) it is.
And it's almost impossible to explain it when you're not used to German law ;)

Even if he would be found guilty, which is highly unlikely, he would certainly get a measly three months or so

That is funny. I am getting that german humor now. It wasn't obvious the joke was on him, the comedian, but now yeah. I get it!

 :D ;D :D

Inciting assault, battery or potentially murder depending on how people react because they're ruining somebodies reputation and potentially getting them killed by morons who think they can go around murdering people with impunity, that and there's the financial cost as well because he won't get future employment. Just accusing somebody of rape or sexual assault nowadays is enough to ruin their life and get people to attack them so people who do this without providing any evidence are knowingly putting these people at risk and they affect their livelihoods by causing customers to either stop communicating with them or employers to fire them.

Now if it's for instance, just making fun of them, that does absolutely nothing, you can just turn off whatever media they're using and not watch it or listen or read etc. like the rest of us do, so no, it's not limiting free speech at all, because the person involved is being charged after something has happened rather than just for merely spreading a lie.

If for instance, somebody spread the lie and it did absolutely nothing and people didn't act on it, then there would be no reason to press any charges, slander and libel laws operate on peoples' actions rather than on what they say, at least that's how it's supposed to work.

No, sorry, you still don't get it. The joke is about the interpretation of several laws which are concerned, which is why the comedian made fun of it.
It's really sad that you don't understand it. It is funny. No doubt about it. Many Germans have a good laugh about the whole story ;D

Explaining jokes usually ruins them, and this one is a really complicated joke which even a lot of Germans don't understand. Sorry again for being unable to convey the humor.

Oh, then there's a difference over here. So, you're basically saying, in the US I can call you a rapist and as long as nobody actually harms you for it, you have to accept that?
Well, in Germany it's a little different, if I called you a rapist and it can be assumed that that will hurt your reputation, I will probably have to pay a little fine and maybe compensate you for any damage it may have caused. I thought it'd be exactly the same in the US, only probably including a million-dollar lawsuit instead of the measly few bucks we usually get as compensation over here ;)

exactly, perfectly agreed.. recep tayyip erdogan is so lunatic and i cant understand why germany - a democratic western county- is playing into the hands of recep tayyip.. there is freedom of speech in germany so everyone can explain one's idea on every  subject for sure...

Freedom of speech issue doesn't give anybody to insult others. This is not freedom, this is  crime in every law.

If you make a google search you will find that angela mertel is a jew. Also you will find that davuloglu is a crypto-jew. Thats why they have perfect relationships. Freemasonry and Zionists are rulling Europe.

Coming from the UK..Can German's be funny :D..So give him life for telling a bad joke..
In fact give every German life for telling a joke ;D

Well if we're going to talk law wise it varies from country to country, here in the UK for example I think there are specific laws about mocking public figures, but I need to go and research it carefully, this is what I think slander should be about though, the thing is, people are responsible for their own actions, they can't just blame it on hearsay and so on. So yes, if somebody kept on trying to call you a rapist and nobody does anything then yes, because those are just words, sure they can be a pain but no one is forcing you to read the stuff they're putting out and so on. Now if of course they were trying to stalk you and harass you with this and constantly follow you around that would fall within privacy laws.

My view on this is that it's all fairly self-correcting, because there are almost always stupid people who will think "Oh! This guy keeps making these claims about some other person without any proof, so therefore It's okay for me to beat him up!" so that guy is going to end up in jail if he tries anything and then you have a legitimate case on your hands to go after the guy who's spreading bullshit about you.

This is exactly what due process is for.

The Turkish president has insulted himself more than any German could think of doing.

People "flee" to America, Canada, the U.K., Australia and New Zealand more than any other country when they can, because these countries are Common Law countries. A map of the various legal systems of the world is shown here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_the_Legal_systems_of_the_world_%28en%29.png.

What is the benefit of a common law country? Wikipedia says, at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law:The interesting thing about common law that Wikipedia doesn't spell out clearly is, in all the common law countries the judges are not necessarily the formal magistrates that oversee a trial. Often the judges are the 12-person jury, even though they are seldomly called this.

Court cases in common law lands can be "moved" by any defendant with knowledge and understanding, into a position where the formal judge (magistrate) has no authority except to referee the trial proceedings. The defendant can make the actual written law to rule, or he can let a jury make a decision, and, if he wishes, he can let the magistrate be the actual judge.

Germany is a civil law country. See Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_law_%28legal_system%29. Essentially, a civil law country is a country where the written law dictates what the outcome of a trial may be. Because of this, virtual any person in a civil law country is truly guilt until proven innocent.

The courts in a common law country are gradually moving towards a subtle form of civil law. This is because the people are less and less aware of the fact that the defendant can require that the plaintiff get on the stand and speak into the record his complaint or claim. In addition, if it is required by the defendant, the plaintiff must show and prove real harm or damage to himself or his property by the defendant before there can be any semblance of judgement against the defendant. This is why you are said to be innocent until proven guilty in a common law land.

In the case of the German comedian if he were in a common law land, the plaintiff would never appear and get on the stand, and if he did, there would be no real damage or harm that he could show that was clearly attributed to the defendant. But Germany, being civil law, can judge based on whatever it wants, whatever is written in the statutes.

Get yourself to a common law country. Learn how to move the court to remain in common law without the magistrate being the judge. This way you can be free until the plaintiff gets on the stand showing clear harm or damage you did to him, shown by witness and evidence as well as plaintiff speaking it into the record.

Btw, in common law, if the plaintiff loses, you the defendant can require payment in amounts that he was trying to collect from you for whatever damages he was claiming that you did.

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Nobody has any right to insult one country's president. This is not fun or speech freedom. He should be punished. If everybody would able to insult any president how we can build respect between countries?

I heard on the radio that Erdogan is a target now of the Russian Secret Services. This means that sooner or later they will kill him.

Why limit propagation of violence only against minorities? So it is okay to say "kill all Germans" and "kill all muslims" will be okay when they have reached 50% of Germany (give it 15 years at current inflow)?

Nice summary.

This is probably the worst misunderstanding of civil law I've ever seen in my whole life.
The exact opposite is true. Under civil law, so-called "rule of law" dictates that you are 100% not guilty unless finally proven to be guilty. You may usually not even be called guilty in public unless you are finally convicted. Everything else would be slander.
Also, under civil law, whatever is not explicitly forbidden, is allowed and can not be be forbidden in retrospect. There is no means of making a law applicable to the past. Very unlike in common law, btw.

There are pros and cons for both law systems, but when it comes to safety for a person from unexpected prosecution, civil law is without doubt "safer".


Maybe the term "minorities" was wrong. It's usually used in "favor of" minorities. But of course, propagation of violence against majorities is equally forbidden ;)

is not a good metaphore with a touch of humor about whats happend here? ;)



haha i also love your avatar my friend, ahhh old memories....

It´s understandable that you could get in trouble for claiming publicly that Obama is a convicted child molester, that´s libel. But If a comedian calls him or Erdogan an asshole or a goat fucker, that´s obviously tongue in cheek, poetic licence if you will. It´s an insult but these are public persons they have as such a certain target or a hunting licence on them so to speak.

Unfortunately, I have to disagree. The bolded part could not be further from the truth.
It is untrue for both common and civil law, but slightly "more so" for civil law*.
Maybe there's a misunderstanding here because you don't refer to common law vs. civil law in the meaning of legal systems (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_law_(legal_system)), but rather as the branch of law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_law_(common_law)) concerning legal disputes between civilians.

The bolded statement above, "a person is guilty until proven innocent", is definitely untrue in both legal systems. The reason is simply that not the legal system is responsible for this, but the legal principle of Rule of Law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_law), which lies at the heart of both systems.



* the "slightly more so" results from the general observation that under common law, rule of law is harder to enforce. Which is only a slight statistical obversation, not a basic principle.

Why should we respect such a moron who's so easily provoked by somebody in another country, can you imagine how he'd react if somebody nearby that he could bomb went and insulted him? Fuck off and don't defend these types of morons. You sound like those people who think if you try to insult Mohammed you deserve what's coming to you, fucker.

If Sun Tzu is anything to go by, it is the sign of an incompetent leader if they are too easily provoked by the enemy.

Willkommen in polictics&society qwk ^^

Leider diese woche viel zu tun um hier zu posten, aber ist schon ziemlich interessant was leute allgemein für vorstellung von der welt und deutschland haben haha.

Entweder die leute versuchen mit absicht lügen zu verbreiten oder sind so bescheuert, dass sie auf dem dümmsten müll reinfallen.

Nichts desto trotz - viel glück im kampf gegen die endlosen windmühlen  ;D

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Unfortunately, this week much to do to post here, but is pretty interesting what people generally for perception of the world and Germany have haha.

Either the people are trying on purpose to spread lies or are so stupid that they fall for the stupid garbage.

Nevertheless - good luck in the fight against the endless windmills


 :)

German laws that restrict "free speech":
Anstiftung (§26 Strafgesetzbuch)
Volksverhetzung (§130 Strafgesetzbuch)
Beleidigung (§185 Strafgesetzbuch)
Üble Nachrede (§186 Strafgesetzbuch)
Verleumdung (§187 Strafgesetzbuch)

These laws exist because of the very first sentence in the german constitution:
Google translate:
Human dignity is inviolable. To respect and protect it is the duty of all state authority.

Real Time with Bill Maher: New Rule – Learn How to Take a Joke (HBO)

Published on Jun 19, 2015
Subscribe to the Real Time YouTube: http://itsh.bo/10r5A1B

In his editorial New Rule, Bill Maher expresses concern about a new brand of politically correct censorship that is threatening to silence comedy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNJyDyCocGQ&nohtml5=False

No use in arguing with these pro-Erdogan types, as most of them are low IQ people who are not capable of understanding the implications of dictatorial policies. Criticism of Putin is OK, but satire on Erdogan is a definite no-no. No wonder they are electing a complete moonbat such as Erdogan as their president year after year.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36055488



Merkel is so funny! Sooo funny!

 :D ;D :D

Bomb that POS country back into the stone age.  Hang that criminal merkal while we are at it too.  She should be hung for all to see.

Merkel should be executed by the firing squad for high treason and destroying the European civilization. And I favor bombing Turkey back to stone age (if it is not in the stone age right now). All the territory stolen from the Armenians (Kars, Van.etc), Greeks (Constantinople, Smyrna.etc), Syrians (Hatay), Kurds (south-east Anatolia), and the Assyrians should be given back to these people.

Hello, I am not German  ;)

Can you tell us what this article is about?
http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article154423058/Boehmermann-kuendigt-Fernsehpause-an.html

TLDR; Is this article describing precisely what the comedian wanted, and what's so funny about it? In no way is freedom of speech in any danger by it?


I welcome the perspective of a real German will a real sense of German humor, both things I obviously lack...

Thank you.

Böhmermann works for the zdf ( lying .gov press) so this might just be some type of conspiracy or hoax!

On a serious node qwk explained it already that the comedian knew the consequences of his poem ( they explained it beforehand) and in the worst case it will end in a fine.

There are laws for insulting/defamation/libel and additional laws for special cases of the same against presidents of other nations.

Everything what is happening right now is exactly the way it should happen in a state under the rule of law.
You feel insulted you take the person to court and the courts decide.

Btw. Germany will remove the special laws regarding "Beleidigung von Staatsoberhäuptern" because it is just a relict of past times ( deutsches Kaiserreich or weimarer republik?) and not needed anymore.

OK. This is normal in Germany to be fired for your job because you are a comedian. Good to know.

Merkel criticized, lauded for allowing comic's prosecution



 BERLIN (AP) -- Chancellor Angela Merkel's decision to allow the possible prosecution of a TV comic for writing an intentionally offensive poem about Turkey's president prompted mixed reactions in Germany on Saturday.

Some commentators praised the move as a vote of confidence in the country's justice system while others accused Merkel of kowtowing to Turkey, whose president had filed a legal complaint against the comic.

In the unusual move, Merkel called a short-notice news conference Friday to personally announce that her government had granted Turkey's request to let prosecutors examine a criminal complaint against the comic for writing an intentionally offensive poem about Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Under German law, the government has to grant permission before prosecutors can consider whether to press charges against someone for the crime of insulting a foreign head of state.

"It's not clear what reasons weighed so heavily that she had to take this legally, politically and morally unnecessary as well as disastrous step," wrote Torsten Krauel, chief opinion writer of the center-right German daily Die Welt.

Krauel described Merkel's decision as bow to Erdogan, whose help the chancellor depends on for her plan to reduce the influx of migrants to Europe. Any conviction of comedian Jan Boehmermann would now "carry her political signature," he said, noting that previously Merkel had been known as a strong defender of free speech and for shrugging off public attacks against her in foreign media.

Others praised Merkel's move, arguing that it would highlight the independence of Germany's judicial system.

"Unlike in Russia or Turkey, innocent people don't have to fear the rule of law in this country," wrote Berthold Kohler, a publisher of the conservative daily Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung. "The Boehmermann case is therefore better left in the hands of independent judges."

The comic himself indicated that he planned to take a break from television for a while.

In a Facebook posting Saturday, Boehmermann said he had received support from "the overwhelming majority of those who aren't President Erdogan."



http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_GERMANY_TURKEY_ERDOGAN?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-04-16-09-24-15


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Funny
 :D

What happened to Germany's democracy and freedom of speech?
A foreign dictator is using the German legal system to silence critics? Is Germany serious?
Wonder who's in charge of Germany?

Why doesn't Merkel just get it over with and suck Erdogan's dick on national television already.

Nobody is fired. He is making a vacation and still works for the zdf.
The zdf also announced it is supporting him with all means nessecary.

It is quite funny if there was no special law for libel against a head of state erdogan would have just used a normal court process which would have went straight to court - 100%.

Because of the special law the german gov has to approve it which is the correct decision.

Do you know if that same law targeting the German comedian was already in place when Bokassa or Pinochet was in power?

 ;D (German humor)

If i remeber correctly it was created in the 19th century at the time of "das deutsche Kaiserreich".
The böhmermann case iniated the removing of that law, which will happen until 2018.

well thats bad news for him in our country our president is always one of the jokes that comedians use.

Maybe that guy was not used to jokes that he took it too severe.? Or he felt his pride was stepped on?. Either ways our president too is a joker but he is not aware of it.

I think the government really took that joke literally and he was a satirical comedian? Words of a comedian should not be taken that seriously.

The answer is very simple. Germany has become the vassal state of Turkey (previously, it was the American vassal state, but then Obama was so incompetent that he lost Germany to Turkey). Goat-fucker Erdoğan has become too powerful. Within a few months time, he will dictate the rules and policies of the European Union.

ofcourse he did took it too seriously, the guy who was arrested was a comedian he didnt meant it to be real.

That's clear that now Germany is the new puppet of Turkey. What else to except from a leftist woman after all ? Putin, we need you ! Come on and destroy this fucking Turkey !

She has been nominated for the 2016 Nobel peace prize, and indications are that she might win it. Remember Obama's win in 2009? I probably would not have cared if she was destroying only Germany. But her real aim is the complete destruction of the European civilization. I just hope that this evil woman will be prosecuted without much delay.

All friends and incrowds washing eachothers hands. The native European people don't care for it and in due time they will rise up against the colonists and everyone who supports them because they're fed up with the treachery. Our parents and grandparents fought and died for our freedom and we will do the same for our children and grandchildren if need be.

She's not evil. She isn't Jewish and she don't seems to be ideologically manipulated. She's just stupid or manipulated by someone, and thus, there's maybe a bigger power on her.

She is too much experienced to be manipulated. She knew about the consequences of her actions, and still went with it for short term gains (electoral dividends, Nobel prize.etc). However, it is possible that she might have under-estimated the reaction from her own citizens, against the mass influx of third world immigrants from the Middle East.

why he was sent to the jail.
he is just a comedian and doing his job to spread smile on the face of people by doing mimicry.
and i think he should not be sent to jail for this action.
just warm then  not to do it again.

I have seen this in local news and the comedian deserve it, a joke has a limit and comedians should not make jokes about presidents like this comedian did, Erdogan does not tolerate even in his country so lets see what will happen with this comedian in germany.

There is something called as humor.Take it as a joke.The amount of jokes American president has to take and matter of fact he can't do anything about it shows what actual Democracy is.Freedom of SPEECH!

She's too smart to be manipulated, I've read many articles about her past and I'd say there is enough evidence for this point of view. In fact, she's a wicked manipulative bitch who've got her place as a reward for betrayal. She betrayed everyone who was stupid enough to trust her, including two of her own former bosses.

That was supposed to be the difference between Turkey and Germany. Germany claims to be a democracy with the freedom of speech granted to all the residents. On the other hand, Turkey is an Islamic dictatorship where the freedom of speech does not exist. If the German authorities behaves the same way as those in Turkey, then how can they claim to be any different from the Turks?

On the Wikipedia common law page at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law, there is a map of the world legal systems. This is an excellent map. It shows that Germany is not exactly the democracy that people think... neither is the United States.

Germany is a civil law country. A great and short description of civil law, along with a comparison to common law (United States), can be found at Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_law_%28legal_system%29 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_law_%28legal_system%29) where it says:
Basically, the point about civil law is that a government set up that way is virtually a dictator over the people of the nation. There isn't really any democracy. Government rules by giving itself best benefit by allowing the people democratic-like freedom. Without freedom, people don't benefit the ruling class.

Since the idea of democracy is majority rule (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy), the United States isn't really a democracy, either. Why not? Because supreme law is vested in the court system in the States. No matter what law is democratically set up in the States, a jury can judge the law to be of no effect in a case. Such is called jury nullification, and the jurors are the judges in the common law court system of the United States. Such a thing is not available to the people of Germany.

8)

A million Turkish live in Germany, and the Turkish dictator keeps a large part of them under his control. They have to serve the Turkish army for example.

You are under-estimating the number of Turks in Germany. According to the official stats, the real number is close to 4 million, out of which 1,506,113 holds the Turkish citizenship. In 1998, 2.11 million German residents had Turkish citizenship, but the numbers have fallen as many have opted for the German citizenship. And obviously, if you are a Turkish citizen, then you have to serve in the Turkish army.

A Turkish army has been infiltrated in Germany? Ready for their marching order?

Yeah... The comedian has to go to jail then.

Thank you Merkel. German humor for the win!

 :D

HAIL HITLER

Freedom of speech should have a limit, people mix these things when hit the limit and most of the people in this case would do like erdogan. I know people make jokes and humor but not to exaggerate it.

Where will you put the limit at? Making fun of a president is definitely not crossing the limits. I have seen hundreds of Western comedians making fun of non-European heads of state, such as Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping, Hassan Rouhani, and Evo Morales. None of them have been prosecuted. So my question is, what makes Recep Tayyip Erdoğan any different from them?

Limit is at ...........

Reached the limit.       ;D

Answer is very simple, they're not Erdoğan.

Legal systems have almost nothing to do whatsoever with whether any given country is a democracy or not.
It is definitely true that without rule of law, democracy is impossible, but that's an underlying legal principle, not a legal system.
Civil law as a legal system has nothing to do whatsoever with whether or not a government "sets up" a civil code which will define whether or not the jurisdiction, executive and legislative can be considered compatible with a democracy.

Please, before stating such nonsense as you did, rtfm, i.e. go to a library, get the books in the "law 101" section and read!

Nothing makes Erdogan any different, because there is no law which specifically makes him special.
It's the joke which is different, because it crossed (and deliberately so) a certain line that's been defined by jurisdiction long before.
That line is defined by the specific word "Schmähkritik", which is not so much a law but the definition of the applicability of a specific law which has been used in the German Federal Constitutional Court (being the highest court in Germany) for a while (dating at least as far back as the 1980s).

Bottom line, and I have to repeat myself here: the comedian in question deliberately crossed the line to provoke the exact reaction that we're seeing now. He will have to live with the consequences, which will not be severe, but in fact will make him a lot of money.

The humor is probably lost on everyone who is not comfortable with the specific laws in question, which most likely even includes the major part of the German population.

First of all, more than a million Turkish live in Germany, somewhere on the order of 1.5 Million.
Second, not all of them have to serve the Turkish army, even though I'm unsure how many would be legally required to do so.
Third, somewhere on the order of another 1.5 Million Germans live in Germany which have Turkish ancestors.

Fourth, just to put that into perspective, somewhere on the order of 1.5 Million people with Polish ancestry live in Germany, as well as half a million Italians*, half a million Romanians*, some couple hundred thousand Russians*, Croatians*, Greek*, Bulgarians*, Serbs*, Syrians*, French*, Spanish* etc., etc.. You name it, we have it.
Even our Secretary of the Interior has obvious French ancestry.

Germany is a multi-ethnic country, just like most in Europe and there's nothing special about some of the inhabitants being legally required by their respective "home countries" to do their civil duties in exchange for e.g. voting rights there.


* always + offspring

[...]
Mrs Merkel’s main coalition partner, the Social Democrats (SPD), have broken with convention and made it clear they oppose her decision to allow the prosecution.

Two of the party’s most senior ministers, Mr Maas and Frank-Walter Steinmeier, the foreign minister, held their own press conference to disown the decision within hours of its announcement.

“The special crime of insulting a foreign head of state is out-of-date,” Mr Maas said at the time. “The idea of lese-majeste no longer has a place in our criminal law.”


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/21/merkel-faces-rebellion-over-prosecution-of-comedian-accused-of-i/

In simple analysis, this is correct. However, in a democracy, if the elected governing officials don't make the legal system match what the majority wants, they lose their job. Sometimes before their term is up. So, the legal system depends on the democracy.


The American legal system is common law, making the laws unimportant, although the ignorance of the people makes the people think the laws are important. Jury nullification can change any and all laws in America any time.

In a democracy - which we don't have in America - if the people vote in a guy who promises jury nullification regarding the laws, and then sets it up as he promised, the laws change faster than ever. Why? Because they don't mean anything with jury nullification around. The jury is the law.



Please, before you start getting all legalistic and picky about words and phrases, look at the theme.

8)

Just a few days ago, a rainbow ruling coalition was formed in the state of Sahcsen-Anhalt by all the mainstream parties, to keep the anti-immigrant Alternative for Germany (AfD) party out of power (the AfD is having 25 out of 87 seats). At least in the former Eastern Germnay, the political situation is changing. It is AfD vs Mainstream (pro-Merkel) parties.

Speaking about turkish preservative... Cough-cough, sorry, I mean the president, there are some news from Netherlands:

https://www.rt.com/news/340598-netherlands-turkey-insulting-erdogan/

I'd say that turkish preservative, cough-cough, I mean the president, has lost his limits in reference to place and time.

Europe should cut ties with that country instead of bowing for every demand they make.

That's impossible because Erdoğan blackmails them. He has a quite useful blackmailing tool, few millions of domesticated migrants, who are ready to be injected into the EU.

Look at what is happening to Trump in America. The unofficial polls suggest that Trump is loved by 60% of the people. Yet the GOP is trying to keep Trump completely out of the race... and they are doing so with some shady, underhanded, and possibly illegal tactics.

This makes the whole governing processes to look like something other than what the people have been formally told, or formally think.

8)

Good people love TRUMP

 :)

Smart people don't base their hope on any of these political comedians.    8)

Maybe not Smart people. But people driving American cars, instead of tiny little German egg shaped coffin cars, do.

 :)

If you can keep the people thinking that they are free by letting them drive cars, why not. Whatever it takes to enslave them.

8)

https://www.rt.com/news/340691-pirate-party-leader-arrest-erdogan/

Pirate Party’s leader detained in Germany for citing poem about Erdogan.

Please! Stop posting this! You obviously do not get the German's laws. Lots of sense of humor in it... That person was arrested in purpose! Don't you get it or do I need to tell you to go to a German book store? Hahahaha! This is funny! Hahaha! Laugh! Laugh Now! Do it! Hahaha!

 ::)

"Explaning a joke ruins it".

http://risovach.ru/upload/2016/04/mem/davayte-pohlopaem-tem-kto-sdal-n_111872414_orig_.jpg

The Turkish president is a nice guy. See? I insulted him as well.     :D ;D

Nice? That was uncalled-for...
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/04/erdogans-turkey-seizes-churches-including-1700-yr-old-orthodox-church-diyarbakir/

Meanwhile in the metropolia

https://www.rt.com/news/340756-dutch-columnist-detained-turkey/

Dutch columnist detained in Turkey ‘over Erdogan tweet’

The Turkish police have detained a Dutch columnist over a critical tweet she posted about Turkish President Recep Erdogan, her newspaper said. The woman intends to go back to the Netherlands after being released.

What I really don't get is people who don't understand media at all.
You know perfectly well from firsthand experience that media coverage of a complicated topic, e.g. Bitcoin, is... well... "off track" to say the least, always on the brink of "utter rubbish" if we're honest.
Why do you believe that media coverage on something way more complicated than Bitcoin would be any closer to the truth?

The "Pirate Party leader" in question here is actually a local representative of the Pirate Party in Berlin.
He was not arrested for citing the poem but rather for breaking the local agreement with the police to hold a public event under certain conditions, which he did not meet. This is basically the same as if you officially rented a public town hall to hold a meeting for a gardening event and then actually the event turns out to be a fireworks display. It's just not what the police will accept.

BTW, obviously the "Pirate Party leader" in question did this on purpose to get some media coverage. The German Pirate Party desperately needs that ::)

Comedian send to jail for insulting the president? It's not a low. It's not freedom. It's really bad. Very bad. >:(

I think this is a big joke made by authorities.

Making fun of politics is in many cases what keeps the working class going. You know, people with very little power need something. I can't see how working against this could be a good political decision.

Everything has a freedom. Comedian and comic is in . Is president sand a comedian for a comic then it not good.

The German Politburo needs to explain better to the rest of the democratic world how humorless it is... The more (arrests), the merrier...

 :)

It's very funny to see an uncivilised asian country like Turkey to manipulates a big european country like Germany. Shame on you Germany.

Turkey + EU = Censorship? 5 times Erdogan tried to get Europe to silence his critics

Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is already notorious for pursuing opposition journalists, artists and politicians at home. Recently he has moved to punish them outside his borders, often with acquiescence from European allies.

As German TV satirist Jan Bohmermann read out a poem implicating Erdogan in sex acts with goats and a proclivity for child pornography last month, he knew exactly what he was doing – testing the patience of Turkey, which had already complained about a satirical song weeks earlier, and the tolerance of his own government.

Unsurprisingly, Turkey was incensed. But perhaps a bigger shock was when Chancellor Angela Merkel agreed with Ankara that the poem was “deliberately provocative,” and let Bohmermann face prosecution under a rarely-used law that punishes those who insult foreign dignitaries.

This unleashed a storm of criticism aimed at both Merkel and Erdogan, amplified by their coziness, following the recent refugee return deal. Last week, Merkel backpedaled, defending free speech and saying her views were a “mistake” - without reversing her actions.

More:

https://www.rt.com/news/340998-erdogan-censorship-europe-genocide/

Trained by Stasi: how to stay,
later trained by CIA
playing role of Germans Leader
She performed as money Feeder.

Erdogan received the cash
For creating boarders mess
Terrorist now have the voice
in EC, it's Merkel choice

No freedom to artists
Opposition, activists
Erdogan pays her kick-back
Germans sold, Nazism is back.

While we're discussing laws, nice example of Godwin's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law) in action ;)

Ehehe, do you really think that Godwin's law reference was hard to foresee? :D

P.S. By the way, what about other lines?

Don't seem to rhyme too well, but then again, I'm not into poetry anyway ;)

That can easily be changed by deporting all Turkish nationals with a criminal record from Europe. They are Turkish citizens, deporting them will be easy.
Europe does not dare to do this of course.

Comedian make jocks for everyone. If he want he can make jocks of Barak Obama. Nothing about it. But Turkish president is a fool. :P

Freedom of speech should have a limit, people use it and cross the limits

What an idiot. "Freedom of speech" with a limit is not actually "Freedom of speech". Obviously, I wouldn't condone anyone if he is supporting pedophilia or genocide. But mocking a head of state is definitely not crossing the freedom of speech. If you can't come in to terms with it, then hide in a cave and don't interact with the public.

To tell people who do not believe in the right of a comedian mocking a head of state "to go hide in a cave" is not an insult to them, but an upgrade, a step up to their everyday living condition. The sewer can be very humid sometime...

That comedian is not going to jail . I would bet on it.

I am not that sure, given the new precedent of Erdogan and his bunch of thugs are dictating how the European Union should be run. Recently the Turkish authorities urged their citizens residing in the Netherlands to report anyone who insults their head of the state. What happened to Jan Böhmermann is not going to be an isolated incident. It is just the tip of the iceberg.

How much do you want to bet?
I will accept and look for a escrow here.


Someone quote me for that idiot to read.

you are right. recep tayyip erdogan are still supported by many countiries.. but a few years later, he will fall from grace as a result, he will be slayed by his own supporters like saddam husein and gaddafi ..

Erdogan receives funds from the GCC nations such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Kuwait (a reward for his Islamization policies in Turkey). He also receives weapons from Israel and the United States. There is no real opposition in Turkey, as most of the rival leaders are behind bars. I don't think what happened to Saddam and Gaddhafi will happen to Erdogan.

So polite, you must be one of these new-breed europeans, truly civilized ones.

I learn fast from my russian comrades ;)

Btw. Saying that he is an idiot is a fact it is not even an insult lol

My honorable little brother, you've touched my heart with your eloquent speech. Yeah, you're ready to become a member of civilized society.

Saudi Arabia and Israel supporting the same leader? Something wrong here? Saudi Arabia does not even recognize Israel.  ;D

How come not recognizing Israel would prevent Saudi's supporting Turkey if they both got benefits from Turkey? They are unrelated

I guess you didn't understand him quite well. If you think that they're supporting Erdogan due to some sort Israeli-Saudi partnership, then there is a mistake. It's Erdogan who have made few careful deals with Israeli and Saudi leaders, avoiding direct interaction between these two factions.


P.S. When it comes to business, saudis are no worse than israelis. If it's profitable in the short-term, then they're ready to forget about their agenda and make another contradictory alliance. In fact, there is nothing wrong with that.

Wow erdogan the mastermind. The world must look like the truman show for him.

What.... wait isnt that how putin usually get introduced? Wtf just happened here... russia is a vassal state of turkey now? :D

I dont know what is going on around the world these days , people dont understand the feelings of other i mean come on he is a comedian and he have to make things to make others laugh  :-[

And who cares about the turkish president?

That is why it's called 'freedom of speech' and there is no limit on it. The thing is you must know your limitations not the law will limit the things that you will say. It is every bodies responsibility that to take care of each words that you will say.


Oh no, be careful they might trace you and could be accused you, for you don't care for the turks president ;D

Yeah... be here after the European Union waive the visa requirement for Turkish nationals.  ;D

Tens of millions of Turks will flood to western European nations such as Germany, France, and the United Kingdom (if they remain part of the EU by then). Earlier Turkey used to dictate the European Union policies by proxy (i.e through Angela Merkel, who is the girlfriend of Erdogan). Now they will control the EU directly.

what is going on around the world these days.....ahhhhhhhhh

I think turkish president must be very very careful because i heard in the radio that russian intelligence might trace him.

Russian intelligence will not target him right now. If they target him, it will give too much negative publicity. They will target him by proxy (i.e by taking actions against the businessmen who are close to Erdogan, or by hacking into his bank accounts). Russia and the KGB will target Erdogan only after he retires from politics.

German comedian says Merkel 'served me up for tea' to Turkey




BERLIN (Reuters) - A German comedian under investigation by prosecutors for mocking Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan accused Chancellor Angela Merkel on Tuesday of "filleting" him and serving him to a despot for tea in his first public comments since the row broke.

Merkel drew heavy criticism for allowing German prosecutors to pursue a case against satirist Jan Boehmermann after he recited a poem on television in March suggesting Erdogan engaged in bestiality and watched child pornography.

Erdogan, a crucial partner for Merkel in tackling Europe's migrant crisis, had demanded Germany press charges against Boehmermann. Erdogan is known for his sensitivity to criticism and Turkish prosecutors have opened over 1,800 cases against people for insulting him since he became president in 2014.

Under Germany's criminal code, insults against foreign leaders are not allowed but the government can decide whether to authorize prosecutors to go ahead.

After weeks of silence, Boehmermann pulled no punches in an interview released in part on Tuesday by Die Zeit weekly.

"The chancellor must not wobble when it's a matter of freedom of opinion," he told Die Zeit in the interview, which will be published in full on Wednesday.

"But instead, she filleted me, served me for tea to a highly strung despot and made me into a German Ai Weiwei," he said, referring to the Chinese dissident artist.

The affair, which turned into a diplomatic spat, was a headache for Merkel as it made her vulnerable to accusations she was getting too cozy with Erdogan over a controversial European Union deal with Turkey to stem the flow of refugees into Europe.

Critics had already accused her of ignoring human rights violations and press freedoms in Turkey, a candidate for EU membership, in order to win its cooperation over the migrants.

Merkel is widely seen as causing the problem in the first place because she described the poem to Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu as "deliberately insulting", something she herself has said was "in retrospect a mistake".

Prosecutors in the western German city of Mainz who are dealing with the Boehmermann case said it was unclear when a decision would be made on whether to go ahead with the case.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/german-comedian-says-merkel-served-tea-turkey-134251302.html?ref=gs


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Merkel's Comedy Club! Germans getting raped and comedians risking their freedom...

 :D

<Merkel mode>Note that "rape" verb is politically incorrect. You should learn how to use "surprise sex" instead.</Merkel mode>

I found this! lol

https://galeri8.uludagsozluk.com/464/tayyip-erdo%C4%9Fan-kim-jong-un-kankal%C4%B1%C4%9F%C4%B1_608367.jpg

^^^^ Lol.. this is epic. If I am forced to name the most oppressive head of state in the earth right now, I will be totally confused. It will be a tight contest between Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and Kim Jong Un. IMO, they should organize some sort of contest between the two to decide the winner. What about bombing kindergartens in Kurdistan? The one with the maximum kills per bomb will be declared as the winner.

Speaking about pics...

http://thesaker.is/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Selection_054.png

Same here is happening in india an awesome comedian was also sent to jail for insulting Arvind Kejri wal  :-\ :-\

That's horrible! Comedians should have the right to say whatever they want, I think even in ancient Rome and in Russia during the reign of the one of the darkest czars in its history they had the right. A country which puts comedians in jail is doomed.

Yep.

Not only German comedian could be sent to jail for insulting the Turkish president  , but everyone who insults the president should be send to jail

Erdogan is of course a joker in the pack of games.


https://i.imgur.com/V2Y5Nod.jpg?1

Tayyip er dong un! lol lol lol lol I can't stop laughing! lol lol

Death toll of St. Bartholomew's Day massacre: From 5,000 to 30,000;
Results of Ivan IV's policy: ~3,000 executed and ~10,000 died from the plague.

So, these "darkest czars" were innocent children in comparison with catholic monarchs. Ancient Rome and Medieval Russia were more democratic than the most of european countries ever will be.

Why don't you crawl back to your cave in Ankara and stay out of public contact? Who is this Erdogan? Is he above the god? Or is he the emperor of this universe? Recep Tayyip Erdoğan is a goat-fucker and a pedophile. Now don't waste time. Be a loyal supporter of Erdogan, and report this post to the nearest Turkish embassy.

Your Er-Dong-Un is a filthy cocksucker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH3x3xpPKTs

^^^^ ROFLMAO... finally Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has achieved what Sultan Murad I failed to achieve in 1389. Now he is the de facto emperor of Western and Central Europe. Still I doubt whether he might have achieved all this on his own. He was amply supported by the Americans, Israelis and the GCC (Saudis, Qataris, Kuwaitis.etc).

For shooting down their plane? He does not think Putin has forgotten does he?

Sums is up nicely. Unfortunately.
When are elections in Germany? I hope the witch will disappear in 2017. Maybe even following deporting the illegal immigrants instead of their own German comedians.

Nothing is going to change. All the mainstream parties are supporting Merkel, including the SPD, Greens, and the FDP. The only party which is opposed to this mass immigration lunacy is the Alternative for Germany (AfD), whose support is hovering at 13% to 15%. Even if the elections are held now, Merkel will return to power.

C'mon people! Stalin dead long time ago. We r living in modern society. What's the problem of some comedian guy made the joke about Turkish president?! It's not the reason to send him to a jail for that! It's just a crap!

You dont think he deserves the 7 years jail time?!

Only 7 years? He should feel lucky it wasn't hard labor for 30 in a turkish bath...


 :)

He might be extradicted to turkey for that. Just waiting for king erdogans order  ;)

At least Stalin didn't persecuted the comedians in the United States and Japan, who mocked him (although he butchered anyone who dared to do that within the Soviet borders). Erdogan is even worse than Stalin and Shitler combined. He is using the Turkish diaspora in the European Union, to blackmail the European leaders.

Merkel screwed up in her response to this situation. Think she regrets her initial response, if the media can be believed.

Make sure to post that link about that one day.

So far there are no signs to believe that Merkel regrets her decision to invite the third world unwashed hordes to the European continent. Merkel was targeting for the Nobel Peace Price, and the indications are that she might win it this year. Also, she wanted to increase the proportion of Muslims in Germany, which was successfully achieved.

yes it is load of shit.. but if you know how lunatic recep tayyip erdogan is, you must change your opinion over this bullshit subject.. i am sure that erdogan is more cruel than stalin..

it is ironic


And yet there are people who support the lack of freedom of expression? sad to see how some minds are small.

politicians are hypocrites and cynics.

No need to compare two dictators. Stalin, Shitler, Mussolini, Pol Pot, and Mao have been dead for many decades now. They are gone and we don't have to worry about them. Let's concentrate on the current bunch of lunatics, such as Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, Teodoro Obiang Nguema, and Kim Jong Un.

Why Europe is so eager to take Turkey in the union? Let them first be fully democratic nation

FTFY.

https://www.rt.com/news/342868-german-parliament-erdogan-poem/

German MP recites notorious anti-Erdogan poem in front of Bundestag

:D

In which world we are living? Thanks to Turkey that they allowed refuges in their country but that does not mean European countries need to bow down to keep turkey happy

Merkel should retire. Maybe her friend has some space for her in his palace.

Being deported out of your own country to be jailed by a dictator because you said something, while the same country takes in people who attack their women?

These German parliamentarians are a bunch of fruitcakes. No wonder it takes a Turkish gigolo to satisfy the sexual urges of Merkel. The MP mentioned here (Detlef Seit), recited the poem in order to show how "awful" it was. Pathetic. The question here is not whether it was awful or not. The question here is whether Jan Böhmermann deserves 7 years in jail for mocking Sultan Erdogan.

http://www.thelocal.de/20160509/cologne-burger-joint-forced-to-close-after-erdogan-burger-row

Threats over 'Erdogan burger' force restaurant to close

Yes, it's easier to insult Hitler than Erdogan in today's Germany, but don't worry, nothing will happen, and no one will be sent to jail. Erdogan's critic on press' freedom has brought major news coverage in Germany, with several members of the parliament defending free speech in Turkey, so it cannot get worse in Germany.
http://www.businessinsider.com/r-germany-says-press-freedom-non-negotiable-in-talks-with-turkey-2016-3?IR=T

The Muslims are always united, while the whites remain divided along political allegiances. That is how they are able to achieve whatever they want, despite consisting just 5% or 10% of the population. Look at London. Just around 15% of the population there is Muslim. And still, they got Sadiq Khan elected as the mayor of that city.

I would like to insult Erdogan, by endorsing this pic

https://i.imgur.com/YZSwo5s.jpg?2

This made me laugh!!!

perfect definitions of recep tayyip erdogan. i died laughing here. but you should be careful about sharing someting like that. because dictator erdogan has spy everywhere. they are named '' aktroll'' in turkey..

Child Bride Legally Married Under Sharia Law, German Judge Rules



A regional German court has recognised as valid the marriage of a 14-year-old Syrian girl to her 20-year-old cousin, despite the legal age for marriage in Germany being 16. The case represents a landmark ruling, with the Federal Court set to adjudicate on the implications for the country as a whole.



Among the hundreds of thousands of migrants arriving in European countries over the eighteen months have been a number of underage wives, some as young as eleven, others already mothers. But although most European countries stipulate that a girl must be 16 to marry, the authorities seem unsure what to do with young bride migrants.

In what is likely to become a landmark ruling, the Oberlandesgericht Bamberg (Higher Regional Court in Bamberg, Bavaria) has this week decided that the marriage of a 14-year-old girl to her 20-year-old husband must be recognised as the wedding has already taken place, was recognised as legal in their native Syria, and was conducted in accordance with Sunni marriage rites.

It had been asked to rule on whether the husband was the girl’s legal guardian in lieu of her parents, after the girl had been removed from an asylum centre where they were both living and placed in a centre for teenaged girls.

Appealing a previous ruling which had granted weekend visitation rights to the husband, the local Youth Work Officer, who had guardianship of the girl, requested the visits be restricted to three hours a week to prevent intercourse between the couple.

But the court disagreed. It said it could find no evidence that the marriage was a forced one, and granted guardianship instead to the husband.

It also refused to draw up a visitation schedule on the grounds that, as her guardian, he is free to interact with the girl whenever he likes. And in light of the fact that the marriage had already been consummated, it further recommended contraception for the couple.

The judge however recognised that the Federal Court had not yet ruled on whether underage marriages legally conducted abroad should be likewise recognised in Germany and that as such it’s ruling may be declared invalid, inviting the Federal Court to now come to a decision.



http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/11/child-bride-legally-married-sharia-law-german-judge-rules/




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Germans are so funny. It'll take me a while to get that particular joke, but...

Everything I wrote on the forum and specially on this sub is of course 100% humoritc. I am sincerely dissapointed of myself if I didn't make you laugh. I am sorry that my sense of humor didn't make you smile. I am of course ready for any apologizes that you may seem fit. I totally believe in your total fairness and your highest sense of justice. How could I not vote for Hillary, she is hilarious and it would be a risk I couldn't bear. Glory to our benevolent, clairvoyant, smart, always rights and beautiful leaders! Please bring us to the promise land and defend us from the corrupts and unfunny and safe space assailants who would want to plant discord among our happy order.

 ??? ::) ;D

Muslims are arguably even more divided among sectarian lines. Half of the violence in the ME now is related to the Sunni/Shia rivalry. As to London, hove you not considered that Sadiq Khan was elected because people actually support what he stands for, as opposed to a small minority of Muslims that conspired to have him elected?

Muslims may be divided in the Middle-east and South Asia, but they are united against the common enemy (native whites) in Europe. The Muslims communities in London and the other parts of England are mostly homogenous ones, populated mostly by Sunni Muslims from Pakistan and Bangladesh. There is not much sectarian division among them.

Several countries in Western Europe have hundreds of so called 'asylum seekers' legally married to children. Legally having sex with children. Pedefiles are allowed because left-wing politicians look the other way so they don't have to face the reality.

lol Guys,


CALM DOWN

Jan Böhmermann would never come to Prison in this Country for such a realness!
Dont think Germany is the same scum as thoose turkish g* f*

He got life sentece.

He is tweeting live from his prison cell over the last past month.

How can you be so sure? Is Merkel going to be so tolerant with someone who called her boyfriend a "goat-fucker"? (That incidentally makes Merkel a goat... lol). Böhmermann may be detained for a few days, and then released after paying a fine. But what about his safety? How can you assure that what happened to Hrant Dink will not happen to him?

Thus reminds me of the Queen of Hearts from Alice in Wonderland. OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!!!!