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Title: Most young Arabs reject Isis and think 'caliphate' will fail
Post by: keyscore44 on April 12, 2016, 08:22:32 AM
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The vast majority of young Arabs are increasingly rejecting Islamic State and believe the extremist group will fail to establish a caliphate, a poll has found.

Only 13% of Arab youths said they could imagine themselves supporting Isis even if it did not use much violence, down from 19% last year, while 50% saw it as the biggest problem facing the Middle East, up from 37% last year, according to the 2016 Arab Youth Survey.

However, concern is mounting across the region as a chronic lack of jobs and opportunities were cited as the principal factor feeding terrorist recruitment. In eight of the 16 countries surveyed, employment problems were a bigger pull factor for Isis than extreme religious views.

The eighth annual survey provides a snapshot of the aspirations of 200 million people. It found that five years after the start of the Arab spring, most youngsters prioritise stability over democracy. Optimism that the region would be better off in the wake of the 2011 uprisings has been steadily declining.

In 2016, only 36% of young people said they felt the Arab world was in better shape following the upheaval, down from 72% in 2012. The majority (53%) agreed that maintaining stability was more important than promoting democracy (28%). In 2011, 92% of Arab youth said “living in a democracy” was their most cherished wish.

Concern about poor job prospects was observed across the Arab world, where one in four 15- to 24-year-olds are jobless – the highest youth unemployment on the planet, according to World Bank. The International Labour Organisation believes up to 75 million young people are without a job in Arab countries.

The Arab Youth Survey was based on 3,500 interviews across a range of issues with respondents aged 18 to 24.

It found that 47% believed Sunni-Shia relations were deteriorating and 52% felt religion played too big a role in a region dominated by Saudi Arabia and Iran – respective cheerleaders for each sect and on opposite sides of the wars in Syria and Yemen.

Overall, 39% of Arab youth viewed the bloody conflict in Syria as a proxy war fought by regional and global powers, 29% saw it as a revolution against the Bashar al-Assad regime, and 22% believed it was a civil war among Syrians.

Nearly half of those polled supported the 2015 international nuclear deal that ended sanctions and brought Iran in from the cold – in striking contrast to the hostility of Saudi Arabia and other Gulf governments. Divisions were also evident in Arab youth perceptions of the US, with 63% considering it an ally and 32% as an enemy.

Lack of democracy was cited as the biggest obstacle facing the Middle East by 22%, compared with 50% pointing to the rise of Isis. But two-thirds of young Arabs (67%) still wanted their leaders to do more to improve their personal freedoms and the human rights of citizens, particularly women.

The survey by the PR consultancy Asda’a Burson-Marsteller, which has an office in Dubai, found that the United Arab Emirates is viewed by young Arabs as “a model country” that is economically secure, and is the most favoured nation to live in and set up a business.

Nearly one in four (22%) cited the UAE – a federation of hereditary sheikhdoms without elected representative institutions – as the country they would most like to live in. A similar number said it is the nation they would most like their own country to emulate (23%). Respondents were not asked specifically about abuses that are regularly highlighted by international human rights watchdogs.

The survey found 66% of Arab youth were increasingly concerned about falling oil prices, though 78% still believed they were entitled to subsidised energy – despite plummeting revenues. Saudi Arabia, the world’s largest oil producer, is struggling to undertake large-scale economic reforms in response.

More young Arabs get their daily news online than from TV or print media, according to the survey – while 32% said they get their daily news online, 29% watch TV news and just 7% read newspapers daily (down from 13% in 2015).

The Arab Youth Survey 2016 is carried out by international polling firm Penn Schoen Berland for Asda’a Burson-Marsteller. Respondents are from Algeria, Bahrain, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Oman, Palestine, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Tunisia, UAE and Yemen.


http://www.arabyouthsurvey.com/en/home
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/12/vast-majority-young-arabs-isis-shunning-poll


Title: Re: Most young Arabs reject Isis and think 'caliphate' will fail
Post by: magnific61 on April 12, 2016, 08:27:23 AM
ISIS will not bring kaliphate, their aim to prevent it. Kaliphate will come and all muslims will be united soon. I and many muslims believe that


Title: Re: Most young Arabs reject Isis and think 'caliphate' will fail
Post by: Lethn on April 12, 2016, 08:34:56 AM
As usual news organisations like the Guardian are trying to make it out like the young Islamists are rejecting ISIS outright, when in reality if you look at the questions and the numbers even if they reject the organisation itself they still hold beliefs that are often incompatible with the western world as does much of Islam.


Title: Re: Most young Arabs reject Isis and think 'caliphate' will fail
Post by: SebastianJu on April 12, 2016, 08:57:43 AM
Heard of the word daesh the first time now. And yes, I think it's a good thing that they don't like the islamit state, probably because of their methods and hate against muslims with a sligthly different belief. But on the other side there unfortunately are enough that believe in middle age punishments and things that put them alot near to brutality and even killing.


Title: Re: Most young Arabs reject Isis and think 'caliphate' will fail
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 12, 2016, 10:42:30 AM
13% supporting the Islamic State? That is still some 200 million people, who are willing to exterminate or enslave the "infidels". And worryingly, this figure is likely to be a huge under-estimate. The slight fall in support may be due to the recent military defeats faced by the ISIS, as the regime forces gained ground in Syria.


Title: Re: Most young Arabs reject Isis and think 'caliphate' will fail
Post by: SebastianJu on April 12, 2016, 10:47:22 AM
13% supporting the Islamic State? That is still some 200 million people, who are willing to exterminate or enslave the "infidels". And worryingly, this figure is likely to be a huge under-estimate. The slight fall in support may be due to the recent military defeats faced by the ISIS, as the regime forces gained ground in Syria.

I agree, it's really a concerning number. And I personally had to find out that radicals live near everyone. Even in your city. It's not funny to hear what they say... and I will not say something about some forum members on here... "no, I'm not a terrorist supporter, I only want to cut other peoples hands off or want to stone bitches." ::)


Title: Re: Most young Arabs reject Isis and think 'caliphate' will fail
Post by: catch.me.if.you.can on April 12, 2016, 03:15:06 PM
If i have to choose between EU/IMF economic violence and ISIS violence, i choose ISIS.


Title: Re: Most young Arabs reject Isis and think 'caliphate' will fail
Post by: jonatuzc on April 12, 2016, 04:38:18 PM
If i have to choose between EU/IMF economic violence and ISIS violence, i choose ISIS.

No matter you choose ISIS or EU, Peace should remain in  world  :)


Title: Re: Most young Arabs reject Isis and think 'caliphate' will fail
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 12, 2016, 05:21:05 PM
If i have to choose between EU/IMF economic violence and ISIS violence, i choose ISIS.

It is like saying that you would prefer death from Ebola rather than dying from HIV/AIDS. The fact that IMF is destroying the livelihoods of people should not be used to justify or support the barbarianism shown by the Islamic State. At least the International Monetary Fund is not enslaving infant girls and converting them to sex slaves.


Title: Re: Most young Arabs reject Isis and think 'caliphate' will fail
Post by: catch.me.if.you.can on April 12, 2016, 06:11:36 PM
If i have to choose between EU/IMF economic violence and ISIS violence, i choose ISIS.

No matter you choose ISIS or EU, Peace should remain in  world  :)

Dont be so sure about that. Read the words of Nigel Farage: "It's even more serious than economics because if you rob people of their identity, if you rob them of their democracy, then all they are left with is nationalism and violence. I can only hope and pray that the Euro project is destroyed by the markets before that"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gm9q8uabTs


Title: Re: Most young Arabs reject Isis and think 'caliphate' will fail
Post by: SebastianJu on April 12, 2016, 07:55:01 PM
If i have to choose between EU/IMF economic violence and ISIS violence, i choose ISIS.

I know you are a troll but sorry, that was the stupidiest thing I read from you till now. Even if they destroy economic conditions... you still can manage to live. Under ISIS you would either live in constant fear, you would have to adapt or you would be dead already, maybe having cut your head of with a saw or something funny like that.

Maybe you did not really mean it the way I took it though... ::)


Title: Re: Most young Arabs reject Isis and think 'caliphate' will fail
Post by: popovicbit on April 12, 2016, 08:00:02 PM
13% supporting the Islamic State? That is still some 200 million people, who are willing to exterminate or enslave the "infidels". And worryingly, this figure is likely to be a huge under-estimate. The slight fall in support may be due to the recent military defeats faced by the ISIS, as the regime forces gained ground in Syria.

I think it is 13% of Arab Youth. I assume your 200 million number comes from 13% of the entire world muslim population. The majority of muslims are actually not arabs.

Given that, I agree that that statistic is worrying, however this region of the world has seen dictatorship, oppression, civil wars, and economic backwardness for 60 + years.

The United State of America is the most prosperous and secure country in the history of the world. We go through a little recession and 8 years of our 1st black presidents and you have 30-40% of American ready to support Trump. This guy calls for open discrimination and war crimes.


Title: Re: Most young Arabs reject Isis and think 'caliphate' will fail
Post by: Spendulus on April 12, 2016, 11:10:59 PM
13% supporting the Islamic State? That is still some 200 million people, who are willing to exterminate or enslave the "infidels". And worryingly, this figure is likely to be a huge under-estimate. The slight fall in support may be due to the recent military defeats faced by the ISIS, as the regime forces gained ground in Syria.

I agree, it's really a concerning number. And I personally had to find out that radicals live near everyone. Even in your city. It's not funny to hear what they say... and I will not say something about some forum members on here... "no, I'm not a terrorist supporter, I only want to cut other peoples hands off or want to stone bitches." ::)
Yes, those are your moderate forum muslims.


Title: Re: Most young Arabs reject Isis and think 'caliphate' will fail
Post by: Spendulus on April 12, 2016, 11:14:00 PM
ISIS will not bring kaliphate, their aim to prevent it. Kaliphate will come and all muslims will be united soon. I and many muslims believe that

Hey, nice to meet a Let's Take Over the World fanatic.  And you've got to have it your way, just like other muslims want it there way.  How about that.


Title: Re: Most young Arabs reject Isis and think 'caliphate' will fail
Post by: Slowturtleinc on April 13, 2016, 12:27:08 AM
The Muslims have just as much a chance of coming together as Christians.
Its a large religion around the world because dictators love being able to wipe out the competition under the guise of religion. Look at the largest areas of Muslim populations and you will almost aways see a controlled population.
As for the stat its pretty vague and most likely misunderstood by people answering the poll.


Title: Re: Most young Arabs reject Isis and think 'caliphate' will fail
Post by: SebastianJu on April 13, 2016, 12:39:33 AM
Yeah, religion was always a great way to hide monetary interests. And guess what... the IS is not really about religion. That's the flag they wear in front of them to attract fighters. They started as a gang of smugglers and what they do is still earning money. I think I have read that one can invest in them and receive profits from their raids and such shit.

Religion in IS is only for the cannon fudder. And the psychos that want to kill, torture and rape little children. Unbelieveable that people join them believing they act for god.


Title: Re: Most young Arabs reject Isis and think 'caliphate' will fail
Post by: vero on April 13, 2016, 01:27:01 AM
I hope this step will be followed by of Muslims from other countries because this is a good move to get rid of isis.


Title: Re: Most young Arabs reject Isis and think 'caliphate' will fail
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 13, 2016, 02:28:13 AM
I think it is 13% of Arab Youth. I assume your 200 million number comes from 13% of the entire world muslim population. The majority of muslims are actually not arabs.

The ISIS is strong in various non-Arab Muslim countries as well. Pakistan, Somalia, Nigeria, Bangladesh, Afghanistan.etc are examples. This shows that the ISIS is not just limited to the Arabs, but has presence among the non-Arab Muslims as well. And we should remember that the original "Caliphate" was a Turkish idea, rather than an Arab one.


Title: Re: Most young Arabs reject Isis and think 'caliphate' will fail
Post by: Hirose UK on April 13, 2016, 03:42:33 AM
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The vast majority of young Arabs are increasingly rejecting Islamic State and believe the extremist group will fail to establish a caliphate, a poll has found.

of course Arabs will reject ISIS because of their wrong assumption about Islam.
the villain will never be the winner. so will ISIS.


Title: Re: Most young Arabs reject Isis and think 'caliphate' will fail
Post by: catch.me.if.you.can on April 13, 2016, 07:56:04 AM
If i have to choose between EU/IMF economic violence and ISIS violence, i choose ISIS.

I know you are a troll but sorry, that was the stupidiest thing I read from you till now. Even if they destroy economic conditions... you still can manage to live. Under ISIS you would either live in constant fear, you would have to adapt or you would be dead already, maybe having cut your head of with a saw or something funny like that.

Maybe you did not really mean it the way I took it though... ::)

Are you serious? The EU politicians are more dangerous than ISIS, I hope ISIS fuck well the EU.


Title: Re: Most young Arabs reject Isis and think 'caliphate' will fail
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 13, 2016, 08:39:47 AM
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The vast majority of young Arabs are increasingly rejecting Islamic State and believe the extremist group will fail to establish a caliphate, a poll has found.

of course Arabs will reject ISIS because of their wrong assumption about Islam.
the villain will never be the winner. so will ISIS.

The (Sunni) Arabs are only pretending that they are rejecting the ISIS. The support levels have fallen just because of the military setbacks faced by the ISIS. No one want to support an organization which is likely to be destroyed in the next few months. The Salafist Arabs will then shift their loyalties to some other organization, which will be even more brutal than the ISIS.


Title: Re: Most young Arabs reject Isis and think 'caliphate' will fail
Post by: SebastianJu on April 13, 2016, 01:19:13 PM
If i have to choose between EU/IMF economic violence and ISIS violence, i choose ISIS.

I know you are a troll but sorry, that was the stupidiest thing I read from you till now. Even if they destroy economic conditions... you still can manage to live. Under ISIS you would either live in constant fear, you would have to adapt or you would be dead already, maybe having cut your head of with a saw or something funny like that.

Maybe you did not really mean it the way I took it though... ::)

Are you serious? The EU politicians are more dangerous than ISIS, I hope ISIS fuck well the EU.

When I take a look at the living circumstances in IS-controlled areas and compare that to the EU, maybe even greece... then it's not hard to decide that I prefer to live in greece. I had a chance at least.