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Title: I think Sirius (Martti Malmi) is Satoshi Nakamoto...
Post by: The Fool on February 16, 2013, 02:13:07 AM
http://blog.sc5.fi/2013/02/sc5er-intro-the-bitcoin-guy/

This was posted a little more than a week ago:

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It was 2009 when I was studying computer science at Helsinki University of Technology. Inspired by libertarian ideals, I came up with the idea of a decentralized Internet currency that cannot be controlled by any government or other single entity. I contacted some guy named Satoshi Nakamoto, who had drafted a technical proposal of such a system just a couple months earlier. He called it Bitcoin.

He was removed from the list of project developers on bitcoin.org in June 2011. The same time Satoshi left. He still owns the bitcoin.org and bitcointalk.org domains.


Title: Re: I think Sirius (Martti Malmi) is Satoshi Nakamoto...
Post by: cbeast on February 16, 2013, 03:15:05 AM
That partially answers the question about the early adopters holding most of the bitcoins. The original programmer cashed out in 2011. That still does not prove he is Satoshi Nakamoto, but he probably knows who he is.


Title: Re: I think Sirius (Martti Malmi) is Satoshi Nakamoto...
Post by: Severian on February 16, 2013, 03:27:36 AM
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Besides my work, dancing latino dances 5 days a week and playing competitive Counter-Strike with friends, I’m trying to find some time to develop my next open source project: uncensorable P2P identity and reputation database. Hopefully you’ll hear more about that later.

Even if he isn't Satoshi, I hope he takes the time and develops this idea. It fits with where the tendency of P2P appears to be going.


Title: Re: I think Sirius (Martti Malmi) is Satoshi Nakamoto...
Post by: Liquid on February 16, 2013, 03:44:36 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=4

Martti Malmi (aka Sirius), a student of Aalto University in Finland, was one of the core developers early on in the project. Satoshi attributed some of the new features of version 0.2 to him here and he was the one making the first commits to the Sourceforge repository back in August 2009. He was removed from the list of project developers on bitcoin.org in June 2011.

As Andrew points out in his answer, both bitcoin.org and bitcointalk.org is owned by Martti. He is the administrator of the bitcointalk.org forums, still active there, and could most likely be contacted using the PM feature on the forums. Both Martti and Gavin Andresen (lead developer) have access to the bitcoin.org website.

Source (http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/492/who-runs-www-bitcoin-org)


Title: Re: I think Sirius (Martti Malmi) is Satoshi Nakamoto...
Post by: The Fool on February 16, 2013, 03:48:35 AM
That partially answers the question about the early adopters holding most of the bitcoins. The original programmer cashed out in 2011. That still does not prove he is Satoshi Nakamoto, but he probably knows who he is.

Another lead:

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Investigations into the real identity of Satoshi Nakamoto have been attempted by The New Yorker and Fast Company. Fast Company's investigation brought up circumstantial evidence that indicated a link between a encryption patent filed by Neal King, Vladimir Oksman and Charles Bry on August 15, 2008 and the bitcoin.org domain name which was registered 72 hours later. The patent (#20100042841) contained networking and encryption technologies similar to bitcoin's. After textual analysis, the phrase "...computationally impractical to reverse." was found in both the patent application and bitcoin's whitepaper.[1] All three inventors explicitly denied being Satoshi Nakamoto.[17][18]...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin
 


Title: Re: I think Sirius (Martti Malmi) is Satoshi Nakamoto...
Post by: theymos on February 16, 2013, 04:00:19 AM
I was here for much of the time period that you're talking about, and I'd be very surprised if Sirius is Satoshi. Satoshi would have had to have gone to ridiculous lengths to create such a natural alt identity.


Title: Re: I think Sirius (Martti Malmi) is Satoshi Nakamoto...
Post by: ciphermonk on February 16, 2013, 05:00:41 AM

Another lead:

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Investigations into the real identity of Satoshi Nakamoto have been attempted by The New Yorker and Fast Company. Fast Company's investigation brought up circumstantial evidence that indicated a link between a encryption patent filed by Neal King, Vladimir Oksman and Charles Bry on August 15, 2008 and the bitcoin.org domain name which was registered 72 hours later. The patent (#20100042841) contained networking and encryption technologies similar to bitcoin's. After textual analysis, the phrase "...computationally impractical to reverse." was found in both the patent application and bitcoin's whitepaper.[1] All three inventors explicitly denied being Satoshi Nakamoto.[17][18]...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin
 

I skimmed quickly through the patents filed by these gentlemen and I have yet to see one that somehow relates to bitcoin. Journalists are quick to arrive to the conclusion: "It sounds technical so it must be related to Bitcoin!" Maybe I'm wrong and didn't look close enough.


Title: Re: I think Sirius (Martti Malmi) is Satoshi Nakamoto...
Post by: The Fool on February 16, 2013, 05:05:24 AM

Another lead:

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Investigations into the real identity of Satoshi Nakamoto have been attempted by The New Yorker and Fast Company. Fast Company's investigation brought up circumstantial evidence that indicated a link between a encryption patent filed by Neal King, Vladimir Oksman and Charles Bry on August 15, 2008 and the bitcoin.org domain name which was registered 72 hours later. The patent (#20100042841) contained networking and encryption technologies similar to bitcoin's. After textual analysis, the phrase "...computationally impractical to reverse." was found in both the patent application and bitcoin's whitepaper.[1] All three inventors explicitly denied being Satoshi Nakamoto.[17][18]...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin
 

I skimmed quickly through the patents filed by these gentlemen and I have yet to see one that somehow relates to bitcoin. Journalists are quick to arrive to the conclusion: "It sounds technical so it must be related to Bitcoin!" Maybe I'm wrong and didn't look close enough.

It's definitely a public key, private key transfer system they are describing.


Title: Re: I think Sirius (Martti Malmi) is Satoshi Nakamoto...
Post by: benjamindees on February 16, 2013, 01:06:59 PM
I guess at some point it might be a good idea to verify that all of these people are alive and well and not, you know, in Gitmo.


Title: Re: I think Sirius (Martti Malmi) is Satoshi Nakamoto...
Post by: cbeast on February 16, 2013, 01:09:30 PM
I guess at some point it might be a good idea to verify that all of these people are alive and well and not, you know, in Gitmo.
Oh, they are probably building a special rendition camp for bitcoiners.  ;D


Title: Re: I think Sirius (Martti Malmi) is Satoshi Nakamoto...
Post by: marcus_of_augustus on February 16, 2013, 01:43:24 PM
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In the first protocol, every participant maintains a (separate) database
of how much money belongs to each pseudonym. These accounts collectively
define the ownership of money, and how these accounts are updated is the
subject of this protocol.

1. The creation of money. Anyone can create money by broadcasting the
solution to a previously unsolved computational problem. The only
conditions are that it must be easy to determine how much computing effort
it took to solve the problem and the solution must otherwise have no
value, either practical or intellectual. The number of monetary units
created is equal to the cost of the computing effort in terms of a
standard basket of commodities. For example if a problem takes 100 hours
to solve on the computer that solves it most economically, and it takes 3
standard baskets to purchase 100 hours of computing time on that computer
on the open market, then upon the broadcast of the solution to that
problem everyone credits the broadcaster's account by 3 units.

2. The transfer of money. If Alice (owner of pseudonym K_A) wishes to
transfer X units of money to Bob (owner of pseudonym K_B), she broadcasts
the message "I give X units of money to K_B" signed by K_A. Upon the
broadcast of this message, everyone debits K_A's account by X units and
credits K_B's account by X units, unless this would create a negative
balance in K_A's account in which case the message is ignored.

Wei Dai "b-money"-1998 (http://www.weidai.com/bmoney.txt)



Title: Re: I think Sirius (Martti Malmi) is Satoshi Nakamoto...
Post by: Gabi on February 16, 2013, 01:43:42 PM
Who invented sha256 is satoshi!


Title: Re: I think Sirius (Martti Malmi) is Satoshi Nakamoto...
Post by: Technomage on February 16, 2013, 02:03:28 PM
I highly doubt that Sirius is Satoshi. I know Martti personally and I've talked to him many times, and my impression is that he is not Satoshi and he also doesn't know who Satoshi is. My opinion is that with a 95% certainty it's not him. I've also met Vili Lehdonvirta whom has also been suspected of being Satoshi, and for him I can say with a 100% certainty that he is not Satoshi.

Personally I think that Satoshi is either someone from Trinity College in Ireland or a group of people from there. That is the most plausible lead I've seen on the hunt for Satoshi. I could be wrong though.


Title: Re: I think Sirius (Martti Malmi) is Satoshi Nakamoto...
Post by: kiba on February 16, 2013, 04:20:30 PM
I highly doubt that Sirius is Satoshi. I know Martti personally and I've talked to him many times, and my impression is that he is not Satoshi and he also doesn't know who Satoshi is. My opinion is that with a 95% certainty it's not him. I've also met Vili Lehdonvirta whom has also been suspected of being Satoshi, and for him I can say with a 100% certainty that he is not Satoshi.

Personally I think that Satoshi is either someone from Trinity College in Ireland or a group of people from there. That is the most plausible lead I've seen on the hunt for Satoshi. I could be wrong though.

People suggests everything from a group of people to individual as "most likely".


Title: Re: I think Sirius (Martti Malmi) is Satoshi Nakamoto...
Post by: Cryptoman on February 16, 2013, 06:55:04 PM
Somehow, knowing who Satoshi is would take a lot of the coolness factor away from Bitcoin.  I'd be willing to bet that he was one of the participants on the original cypherpunks mailing list.  Given the efforts that many of us went through to remain anonymous even back then (anyone remember anon.penet.fi or Freedom.net?), I doubt that knowing this would help anyone identify him.


Title: Re: I think Sirius (Martti Malmi) is Satoshi Nakamoto...
Post by: wachtwoord on February 16, 2013, 08:02:10 PM
I highly doubt that Sirius is Satoshi. I know Martti personally and I've talked to him many times, and my impression is that he is not Satoshi and he also doesn't know who Satoshi is. My opinion is that with a 95% certainty it's not him. I've also met Vili Lehdonvirta whom has also been suspected of being Satoshi, and for him I can say with a 100% certainty that he is not Satoshi.

Personally I think that Satoshi is either someone from Trinity College in Ireland or a group of people from there. That is the most plausible lead I've seen on the hunt for Satoshi. I could be wrong though.

Be prepared to be asked to participate in a documentary by the Discovery Channel/The history Channel in 10-20 years time in which they search for the real Satoshi and come up with all sorts of conspiracy theories. It will be like the JFK documentaries and non-one will know for sure.

Oh and at some point the history channel will imply you said it could be aliens :P


Title: Re: I think Sirius (Martti Malmi) is Satoshi Nakamoto...
Post by: hahahafr on February 17, 2013, 12:56:58 AM
Satoshi Nakamoto is not one person. It's the group of people that gave birth to this Bitcoin idea.


Title: Re: I think Sirius (Martti Malmi) is Satoshi Nakamoto...
Post by: axus on February 17, 2013, 05:18:48 AM
If it's not the 3 guys who wrote the paper, it's Bram Cohen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bram_Cohen).


Title: Re: I think Sirius (Martti Malmi) is Satoshi Nakamoto...
Post by: kiba on February 17, 2013, 09:29:15 AM
If it's not the 3 guys who wrote the paper, it's Bram Cohen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bram_Cohen).

Bram Cohen doesn't like bitcoin.


Title: Re: I think Sirius (Martti Malmi) is Satoshi Nakamoto...
Post by: jgarzik on February 17, 2013, 06:09:17 PM

heh, no.

Sirius is one of the first bitcoin users/developers besides Satoshi.

He is still occasionally logs into the forums, and I just transferred full control of bitcointalk.org domain over to him last week.



Title: Re: I think Sirius (Martti Malmi) is Satoshi Nakamoto...
Post by: World on March 15, 2013, 01:42:58 PM
nice reading
http://blog.sc5.fi/2013/02/sc5er-intro-the-bitcoin-guy/


Title: Re: I think Sirius (Martti Malmi) is Satoshi Nakamoto...
Post by: chmod755 on March 15, 2013, 01:49:45 PM
Are you sirius?


Title: Re: I think Sirius (Martti Malmi) is Satoshi Nakamoto...
Post by: SRoulette on March 15, 2013, 01:57:31 PM
satoshi is from the future, he was sent back to our time to stop the banks enslaving mankind.
He has to stay underground until the resistance is ready to fight, but the war has already begun.


Title: Re: I think Sirius (Martti Malmi) is Satoshi Nakamoto...
Post by: markm on March 15, 2013, 02:06:38 PM
He both is and is not dead, and his resemblance to 007 in the photo at the link below is no coincidence!

http://archived.parapsych.org/members/e_h_walker.html

-MarkM-


Title: Re: I think Sirius (Martti Malmi) is Satoshi Nakamoto...
Post by: rpietila on March 15, 2013, 02:18:52 PM
I highly doubt that Sirius is Satoshi. I know Martti personally and I've talked to him many times, and my impression is that he is not Satoshi and he also doesn't know who Satoshi is. My opinion is that with a 95% certainty it's not him. I've also met Vili Lehdonvirta whom has also been suspected of being Satoshi, and for him I can say with a 100% certainty that he is not Satoshi.

Personally I think that Satoshi is either someone from Trinity College in Ireland or a group of people from there. That is the most plausible lead I've seen on the hunt for Satoshi. I could be wrong though.

There was a TV documentary about Bitcoin in Finnish TV, and both Technomage, Sirius and Vili Lehdonvirta denied being Satoshi. Also I think Satoshi is more likely 30 than 20 at the time of his inventions.

I entertain the idea that Len Sassaman with his wife is/was Satoshi, and that he was murdered by the CIA.


Title: Re: I think Sirius (Martti Malmi) is Satoshi Nakamoto...
Post by: malevolent on March 15, 2013, 02:25:28 PM
There was thread a while back (last year) by mufa23 who claimed to have found out who's Satoshi (apparently all the necessary info were to be found on the forums/Internet). He was asked no to discolse the info by many, including at least 1 Moderator and in the end the thread was locked and mufa deleted his posts. As I was following the thread I remember he didn't really give any info that could help. But maybe that's good.

Here's the thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=103611.0;all

he deleted his posts but they were still quoted by some people
apparently Satoshi is (or was a few months ago) an active forum member.


Title: Re: I think Sirius (Martti Malmi) is Satoshi Nakamoto...
Post by: Isokivi on March 15, 2013, 04:31:00 PM
This thread again  ;D. I personally believe that Satoshi more than anyone deserves anonymity. In light of that I would once again like to publicly state that I am Satoshi Nakamoto.


Title: Re: I think Sirius (Martti Malmi) is Satoshi Nakamoto...
Post by: Lethn on March 15, 2013, 04:35:39 PM
No! I'M SATOSHI NAKAMOTO!


Title: Re: I think Sirius (Martti Malmi) is Satoshi Nakamoto...
Post by: Isokivi on March 15, 2013, 04:39:54 PM
No! I'M SATOSHI NAKAMOTO!
He get's it. Now as a community lets get this to a point where mainstream new sources have daily exclusive interviews with Satoshi.


Title: Re: I think Sirius (Martti Malmi) is Satoshi Nakamoto...
Post by: malevolent on March 16, 2013, 09:36:37 PM
No! I'M SATOSHI NAKAMOTO!

There is bounty (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=153980.0;topicseen) on you, I would keep a low-profile if I were you.


Title: Re: I think Sirius (Martti Malmi) is Satoshi Nakamoto...
Post by: benjamindees on March 17, 2013, 01:41:20 AM
I entertain the idea that Len Sassaman with his wife is/was Satoshi, and that he was murdered by the CIA.

Catholic university is interesting.  David Chaum as advisor is very interesting.  Timing of death is interesting (right after MtGox hack).

I was leaning towards a more corporate sponsored workgroup, but you may be on to something.


Title: Re: I think Sirius (Martti Malmi) is Satoshi Nakamoto...
Post by: cedivad on May 03, 2013, 12:30:25 PM
Whoever he is, he decided to claim back bitcointalk.org.


Title: Re: I think Sirius (Martti Malmi) is Satoshi Nakamoto...
Post by: jgarzik on May 03, 2013, 03:43:57 PM
Whoever he is, he decided to claim back bitcointalk.org.

No.

It was long ago agreed to split the forum away from forum.bitcoin.org, into a separate domain, moving the politics etc. away from the more apolitical bitcoin.org.  It was agreed that the new domain would be given to the current bitcoin.org domain holder, Sirius.

I was the one who registered bitcointalk.org originally, so I should know.  :)  I turned over the keys myself to Sirius.



Title: Re: I think Sirius (Martti Malmi) is Satoshi Nakamoto...
Post by: pencileraser on May 10, 2013, 08:49:16 PM
http://shirtoshi.com/images/assets/7_Hello!_logo.png  :D


Title: Re: I think Sirius (Martti Malmi) is Satoshi Nakamoto...
Post by: Come-from-Beyond on May 10, 2013, 09:03:31 PM
We already found (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=201212.0) Satoshi. This thread can be closed.


Title: Re: I think Sirius (Martti Malmi) is Satoshi Nakamoto...
Post by: myrkul on May 10, 2013, 09:14:54 PM
We already found (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=201212.0) Satoshi. This thread can be closed.
I am Satoshi Nakamoto.


Title: Re: I think Sirius (Martti Malmi) is Satoshi Nakamoto...
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on December 25, 2013, 04:35:14 PM
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In the first protocol, every participant maintains a (separate) database
of how much money belongs to each pseudonym. These accounts collectively
define the ownership of money, and how these accounts are updated is the
subject of this protocol.

1. The creation of money. Anyone can create money by broadcasting the
solution to a previously unsolved computational problem. The only
conditions are that it must be easy to determine how much computing effort
it took to solve the problem and the solution must otherwise have no
value, either practical or intellectual. The number of monetary units
created is equal to the cost of the computing effort in terms of a
standard basket of commodities. For example if a problem takes 100 hours
to solve on the computer that solves it most economically, and it takes 3
standard baskets to purchase 100 hours of computing time on that computer
on the open market, then upon the broadcast of the solution to that
problem everyone credits the broadcaster's account by 3 units.

2. The transfer of money. If Alice (owner of pseudonym K_A) wishes to
transfer X units of money to Bob (owner of pseudonym K_B), she broadcasts
the message "I give X units of money to K_B" signed by K_A. Upon the
broadcast of this message, everyone debits K_A's account by X units and
credits K_B's account by X units, unless this would create a negative
balance in K_A's account in which case the message is ignored.

Wei Dai "b-money"-1998 (http://www.weidai.com/bmoney.txt)



http://web.archive.org/web/20010404084309/http://www.eskimo.com/~weidai/

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4945.msg83657#msg83657

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Date Registered:   October 20, 2010, 09:52:52 AM
Last Active:   April 10, 2011, 11:29:36 PM

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1486.msg17788#msg17788

Interesting two posts, to say the least. Signs up to post, then the last time time active posted his last post.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/6/4295028/report-satoshi-nakamoto

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In April of 2011, Nakamoto emailed Andresen to say that the Bitcoin Project developers "should try to de-emphasize the whole ‘mysterious founder’ thing when talking publicly about Bitcoin." No one has heard from him since.


Title: Re: I think Sirius (Martti Malmi) is Satoshi Nakamoto...
Post by: David Latapie on February 08, 2015, 12:45:38 PM
Are you sirius?
R U Sirius (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._U._Sirius)?


Title: Re: I think Sirius (Martti Malmi) is Satoshi Nakamoto...
Post by: cedivad on February 08, 2015, 02:52:04 PM
Personally I think that Satoshi is either someone from Trinity College in Ireland or a group of people from there.
Why? (I missed that two years ago).


Title: Re: I think Sirius (Martti Malmi) is Satoshi Nakamoto...
Post by: Roselyn on August 05, 2015, 11:05:21 PM
No, He is not real Satoshi Nakamoto but he is one of first developer of Bitcoin Interface. What he said about his association to the Bitcoin? He is the main man in the Bitcoin Talk Forum and he is managing the Bitcoin.org does not mean he is Satoshi Nakamoto. Satoshi Nakamoto is Dr. SM Satoshi Nakamoto. Read the EVS Protocol.