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Title: The Killing of a Western Hostage in the Philippines
Post by: a7mos on April 25, 2016, 07:29:38 PM
One of four hostages abducted in the Philippines last September has been killed hours after a Monday deadline for a $6.5 million ransom expired.  
The al-Qaeda-linked Abu Sayyaf group kidnapped four people from a resort on Samal Island in September 2015. The hostages—John Ridsdel and Robert Hall, both Canadian; Marites Flor, a Filipina; and Kjartan Sekkingstad, a Norwegian––all had appeared in a video asking their governments to secure their release. Earlier Monday, Abu Sayyaf demanded a $6.5 million ransom and threatened to behead a hostage if the money wasn’t delivered by 3 p.m. When that deadline passed, a severed head was dropped into the town center in Jolo. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau confirmed that Ridsdel had been killed. Filipino authorities have not officially identified the victim. Reuters reported:
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“We are being very careful, we can't say whose head it was,” army spokesman Major Felimon Tan told reporters, adding that tests would be carried out to identify the victim.

Residents found the head in the center of Jolo town. Tan said two men on a motorcycle were seen dropping a plastic bag containing the severed head.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/04/philippines-abu-sayyaf/479787/


Title: Re: The Killing of a Western Hostage in the Philippines
Post by: spazzdla on April 25, 2016, 07:55:19 PM
If those who are in power responded with a drop of 100 000k troops when this happens, it wouldn't happen.


Title: Re: The Killing of a Western Hostage in the Philippines
Post by: Snail2 on April 25, 2016, 08:43:22 PM
If those who are in power responded with a drop of 100 000k troops when this happens, it wouldn't happen.

Probably small "hunter-killer" groups would be more useful in such environment, but in general I agree with your concept. Terrorists should have a bounty on their heads and should be hunted down even if that takes years.


Title: Re: The Killing of a Western Hostage in the Philippines
Post by: xht on April 25, 2016, 10:52:23 PM
It's so sad  a large nation like the Philippines is so lame that they cannot clean out an Island region full of Islamic terrorists.


Title: Re: The Killing of a Western Hostage in the Philippines
Post by: Gronthaing on April 26, 2016, 05:49:59 AM
If those who are in power responded with a drop of 100 000k troops when this happens, it wouldn't happen.

Probably small "hunter-killer" groups would be more useful in such environment, but in general I agree with your concept. Terrorists should have a bounty on their heads and should be hunted down even if that takes years.

How about four decades? That is how long they have been at it.

It's so sad  a large nation like the Philippines is so lame that they cannot clean out an Island region full of Islamic terrorists.

It isn't only islamic terrorists. It's also movements for independence or autonomy. Going there and killing everyone won't work. Didn't work in ireland. In the basque country. In palestine. Etc.


Title: Re: The Killing of a Western Hostage in the Philippines
Post by: Doms on April 26, 2016, 08:35:42 AM
If those who are in power responded with a drop of 100 000k troops when this happens, it wouldn't happen.

Probably small "hunter-killer" groups would be more useful in such environment, but in general I agree with your concept. Terrorists should have a bounty on their heads and should be hunted down even if that takes years.

How about four decades? That is how long they have been at it.

It's so sad  a large nation like the Philippines is so lame that they cannot clean out an Island region full of Islamic terrorists.

It isn't only islamic terrorists. It's also movements for independence or autonomy. Going there and killing everyone won't work. Didn't work in ireland. In the basque country. In palestine. Etc.

Four decades. Six presidents. Thousands of lives (and counting), mostly those of innocent ones have been compromised because of this problem in the Southern Philippines. You can't say it's purely religious in nature. The terrorists are just using their being Muslim as an excuse to take hostages, make demands, sometimes kill foreigners and natives. Many times the government tried to stop them, but as one presidentiable said, we can't keep on killing our countrymen. Something must be done to end all this, and this starts by talking to each other.


Title: Re: The Killing of a Western Hostage in the Philippines
Post by: dellboygold on April 26, 2016, 09:27:25 AM
Thats a very terrible news. What they will achieve in killing an innocent live. When this blood shed will end?


Title: Re: The Killing of a Western Hostage in the Philippines
Post by: AzibLala007 on April 26, 2016, 10:22:42 AM
this is a shameful act to kill anyone who come to other countries as visitors and when they kidnapped them then asked for money. what the f*** man the visitors come to visit and they abducted then asn demand for money. this is rediculus action. and when the deadline passed they just kill them.  :( :( :(
how can they do that shameful act? they are they not affraid of anyone?? :( :(


Title: Re: The Killing of a Western Hostage in the Philippines
Post by: designerusa on April 26, 2016, 11:06:14 AM
It's so sad  a large nation like the Philippines is so lame that they cannot clean out an Island region full of Islamic terrorists.

perfectly agreed.. but every country on earth whether its religion cristianty or not must be cleaned from islamic terrorists.. they are very dangerous for our modern civilization for sure..


Title: Re: The Killing of a Western Hostage in the Philippines
Post by: Devesh on April 26, 2016, 11:13:33 AM
May their soul rest in peace.

Phillipines is not that rich to pay all the terrorist demanded, If duterte win in presidential election i hope he can eliminate those terrorist.


Title: Re: The Killing of a Western Hostage in the Philippines
Post by: JesusHadAegis on April 26, 2016, 11:21:43 AM
May their soul rest in peace.

Phillipines is not that rich to pay all the terrorist demanded, If duterte win in presidential election i hope he can eliminate those terrorist.

I agree and i think the national government havent paid yet any ransom to any foreigners. Its the local government that makes talk to higher then it would be settled.
The country is in debt in many ways. And that is also an issue that started during the start of democracy if im not mistaken.


Title: Re: The Killing of a Western Hostage in the Philippines
Post by: katrimans on April 26, 2016, 01:30:54 PM
killing should be avoided


Title: Re: The Killing of a Western Hostage in the Philippines
Post by: spazzdla on April 26, 2016, 02:03:34 PM
killing should be avoided

People should never be hungry
People should never be cold

rainbows and lucky charms are nice and all but it's not possible to have this for everyone.


Title: Re: The Killing of a Western Hostage in the Philippines
Post by: Gronthaing on April 27, 2016, 11:36:42 PM
May their soul rest in peace.

Phillipines is not that rich to pay all the terrorist demanded, If duterte win in presidential election i hope he can eliminate those terrorist.

I agree and i think the national government havent paid yet any ransom to any foreigners. Its the local government that makes talk to higher then it would be settled.
The country is in debt in many ways. And that is also an issue that started during the start of democracy if im not mistaken.

Wouldn't be the philippines that would pay the ransom. It would be the other countries. In this case canada. But wasn't likely to happen. And also "The president of the Philippines had asked that Canada not pay the ransom, saying it was the only way to stop the kidnapping industry"

killing should be avoided

People should never be hungry
People should never be cold

rainbows and lucky charms are nice and all but it's not possible to have this for everyone.

It's not impossible. But we would need different priorities. Like not putting profit and power above lives.


Title: Re: The Killing of a Western Hostage in the Philippines
Post by: TPTB_need_war on April 28, 2016, 12:09:39 AM
Duterte will be elected President of the Philippines on May 9, and he will clean up the Philippines same as he did in Davao. It is going to get very bloody in the Philippines after June 30 inauguration.

The filipinos are fed up with crime and drugs. The Abu Sayaf will be wiped off the face of the earth by Duterte. He is pissed off about them kidnapping from Samal Island here next to Davao. I been to that precise Marina where those foreigners were kidnapped from. If ever they try to kidnap me, they will have to kill me because they aren't taking me alive. They will have to shoot me or come get me, either way someone is going to bleed to death (and if I am lucky it might not be me). I am crazy Cherokee native blooded motherfucker. I can't believe those hostages got into the boat when guns were pointed at them. Fight! Charge the motherfucks like a drug-crazed (or run away if that seems more plausible), will not quit until dead lunatic. Take bullets, it is more warrior-like than decapitation.

The kidnapping shit is all about money and politics. Someone is protecting the Abu Sayaf.

Durterte will share revenue with the localities and then the MILF will crack down on the Abu Sayaf. The entire Western and Southern side of Mindanao is really a hell hole.

However, perhaps the international elite plan to fuck up Duterte's plans. They could start funding Islamic fundamentalism in the Philippines. But I think they will not succeed. Filipinos love family and simple life.


Title: Re: The Killing of a Western Hostage in the Philippines
Post by: tabas on April 28, 2016, 12:45:49 AM
It's so sad  a large nation like the Philippines is so lame that they cannot clean out an Island region full of Islamic terrorists.
That's true because of corrupt public officials they cannot wipe out terrorism in the country. Even they were alliance with US and other countries I don't know why they can't wipe them out.


Title: Re: The Killing of a Western Hostage in the Philippines
Post by: Jasad on April 28, 2016, 02:35:52 PM
One of four hostages abducted in the Philippines last September has been killed hours after a Monday deadline for a $6.5 million ransom expired.  
The al-Qaeda-linked Abu Sayyaf group kidnapped four people from a resort on Samal Island in September 2015. The hostages—John Ridsdel and Robert Hall, both Canadian; Marites Flor, a Filipina; and Kjartan Sekkingstad, a Norwegian––all had appeared in a video asking their governments to secure their release. Earlier Monday, Abu Sayyaf demanded a $6.5 million ransom and threatened to behead a hostage if the money wasn’t delivered by 3 p.m. When that deadline passed, a severed head was dropped into the town center in Jolo. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau confirmed that Ridsdel had been killed. Filipino authorities have not officially identified the victim. Reuters reported:
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“We are being very careful, we can't say whose head it was,” army spokesman Major Felimon Tan told reporters, adding that tests would be carried out to identify the victim.

Residents found the head in the center of Jolo town. Tan said two men on a motorcycle were seen dropping a plastic bag containing the severed head.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/04/philippines-abu-sayyaf/479787/
yes i see on tv news,its bad news for some country who have any victim on abu sayyaf kidnapped,and some of the are indonesian,and when hear about australian killied by abu sayyaf group,family from indonesian victim so sad and more worry about their husband and dad.


Title: Re: The Killing of a Western Hostage in the Philippines
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 30, 2016, 02:14:52 PM
I don't understand why these Western nationals want to travel to terrorist-ridden regions such as Mindanao, Turkey, Egypt, and Tunisia. In these places tourists have been targeted by the terrorists many times in the past. But still, these stupid tourists want to visit these regions. Check Tunisia. Even after the terrorist attack, it remains one of the favorite destinations for the British tourists.


Title: Re: The Killing of a Western Hostage in the Philippines
Post by: Bought on April 30, 2016, 05:17:00 PM
Do these ransoms ever get paid? if i ever get kidnapped and my captors tell me they are requesting x million dollars from my government or they are going to kill me then its going to be pretty apparent that it will be game over soon.  But like above poster says, dont go to terrorist ridden countries and dont get kidnapped. simples.


Title: Re: The Killing of a Western Hostage in the Philippines
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 30, 2016, 06:16:38 PM
Do these ransoms ever get paid?

In most of the cases, YES.

Take the case of the Somali pirates. At the peak of piracy, they were making hundreds of millions of USD worth of ransom money every year, by hijacking the cargo ships and kidnapping the crew. When the ransom was refused, the Somalis either killed their captives, or chopped off their limbs. The same with the ISIS as well. Most of the captives (Assyrians, foreigners.etc) were freed after paying ransom.


Title: Re: The Killing of a Western Hostage in the Philippines
Post by: JesusHadAegis on April 30, 2016, 07:13:23 PM
I think this is a common issue in the philippines. It's how terrorist see how they profit if they are losing budget and seems they are desperate because they really killed on time deadline. They especially target foreigners too attract international government but oftenly they are rescued after months of being abducted. And its really hard to penetrate because they've been there a long time and ambushes often happen.

It's all up to the next term on what should he/she do next.


Title: Re: The Killing of a Western Hostage in the Philippines
Post by: Gronthaing on April 30, 2016, 07:38:19 PM
I don't understand why these Western nationals want to travel to terrorist-ridden regions such as Mindanao, Turkey, Egypt, and Tunisia. In these places tourists have been targeted by the terrorists many times in the past. But still, these stupid tourists want to visit these regions. Check Tunisia. Even after the terrorist attack, it remains one of the favorite destinations for the British tourists.

It is not true in every case but could be war tourism. People like to visit areas where conflict is occurring. Seeing combat, destruction, deaths, etc. Or where conflict recently occurred. It is becoming more popular https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_tourism Or it could be slum tourism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slum_tourism the rich go see how the poor live. And some stay in 5 star hotels disguised as slums to "experience" how the poor live.


Title: Re: The Killing of a Western Hostage in the Philippines
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 30, 2016, 08:25:01 PM
It is not true in every case but could be war tourism. People like to visit areas where conflict is occurring. Seeing combat, destruction, deaths, etc. Or where conflict recently occurred. It is becoming more popular https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_tourism Or it could be slum tourism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slum_tourism the rich go see how the poor live. And some stay in 5 star hotels disguised as slums to "experience" how the poor live.

In that case, they got what they asked for. And I don't have any doubts on whether they will complain that the experience was not "authentic" enough. Stupid people spending their own money to get killed? I think this is a perfect example of natural selection. Nature is removing low-IQ people from the ecosystem, through incidents such as this one.


Title: Re: The Killing of a Western Hostage in the Philippines
Post by: shintosai on April 30, 2016, 08:31:13 PM
Philippine government should attack those abu sayyaf and kill them all, as mention they are an al queda related groups might need some help from US to clear them all, those crazy rascals will always be there because their using it for there own sake, they not fighting for anything but making lot's of money and hiding their butts under their mommy's undie.. why the government allowed this to happen its been almost 6 months and no action from the afp? oh well wait for digong to win and let us see how can he handled this. 


Title: Re: The Killing of a Western Hostage in the Philippines
Post by: Mr.Pro on May 01, 2016, 09:46:56 AM
Philippine government should attack those abu sayyaf and kill them all, as mention they are an al queda related groups might need some help from US to clear them all, those crazy rascals will always be there because their using it for there own sake, they not fighting for anything but making lot's of money and hiding their butts under their mommy's undie.. why the government allowed this to happen its been almost 6 months and no action from the afp? oh well wait for digong to win and let us see how can he handled this. 

The governmenr soldiers have been fighting them for decades, I am fed up reading the newspaper about army casualities. I bet those soldiers are already sick of fighting for years and cant see their family. When there is war, there is a big profit.


Title: Re: The Killing of a Western Hostage in the Philippines
Post by: JesusHadAegis on May 01, 2016, 10:49:03 AM
Philippine government should attack those abu sayyaf and kill them all, as mention they are an al queda related groups might need some help from US to clear them all, those crazy rascals will always be there because their using it for there own sake, they not fighting for anything but making lot's of money and hiding their butts under their mommy's undie.. why the government allowed this to happen its been almost 6 months and no action from the afp? oh well wait for digong to win and let us see how can he handled this. 

The governmenr soldiers have been fighting them for decades, I am fed up reading the newspaper about army casualities. I bet those soldiers are already sick of fighting for years and cant see their family. When there is war, there is a big profit.

Yes many heroes had fallen but the problem is still the same. The most soldiers lost was 44. And it was followed other and another casualties mostly in 2 digit casualties. And it's not purely on the mindanaos, there are others in Luzon areas.

So most people are desperate for changes and it really needs a fierce and fearless leader. No more time for dramas and many unsolved issues.


Title: Re: The Killing of a Western Hostage in the Philippines
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 01, 2016, 01:57:03 PM
The governmenr soldiers have been fighting them for decades, I am fed up reading the newspaper about army casualities. I bet those soldiers are already sick of fighting for years and cant see their family. When there is war, there is a big profit.

The Abu Sayyaf (now a branch of the ISIS) is being provided with funds and weapons by the Islamist nations such as Brunei and Malaysia. If you really want to defeat these terrorists, then you should cut off their supplies. Next step would be to deport the terrorist sympathizers to Sabah (if I am not wrong, there is a sizable Moro population in Sabah).


Title: Re: The Killing of a Western Hostage in the Philippines
Post by: target on May 01, 2016, 04:00:25 PM
killing completely and wipe out those abusayaf group almost work during the time of president Joseph Estrada but then the military business would be stopped if that's the case.
so they tried to find faults to the president and then impeach him. Thats how politics work in the Philippines.


Title: Re: The Killing of a Western Hostage in the Philippines
Post by: JesusHadAegis on May 02, 2016, 11:54:46 AM
So im just gonna some of this. 10 indonesian nationals just went back to their own countries because they were released. Other info was not said by the media but they said no ransom was paid. But there are other foreign national that are still held hostage.


Title: Re: The Killing of a Western Hostage in the Philippines
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 02, 2016, 03:51:38 PM
killing completely and wipe out those abusayaf group almost work during the time of president Joseph Estrada but then the military business would be stopped if that's the case.

Completely destroying Abu Sayyaf is possible, but it might take a lot of effort and funds. I don't know whether the government can afford such as costly war at this point of time. The NATO should help. Rather than wasting tens of billions of USD in hopeless countries such as Syria and Iraq, the US should spend a few hundred million in countries such as Philippines (on training and weapons).


Title: Re: The Killing of a Western Hostage in the Philippines
Post by: ZOOM007 on May 02, 2016, 07:18:36 PM
this is rediculoukilling hostages in  any other like philippines. people go there for holidays and they kidnapped them and made them hostages and kill them if the required amount is not transferred to them.
how can they be so hash to people and just kill them for money. they dont care for any one's life?


Title: Re: The Killing of a Western Hostage in the Philippines
Post by: groll on June 20, 2016, 08:56:08 AM
I hope that president elect Rodrigo Duterte could put an end to this inhumane and heartless killings of tourist in the Philippines.  It is a beautiful place, nice environment and hospitable people.  It will be a beautiful and perfect place to go to if this Abu Sayaff group would disappear permanently.


Title: Re: The Killing of a Western Hostage in the Philippines
Post by: electronicash on June 20, 2016, 09:07:45 AM
What can you say, its military and government's business.
The Philippine arm forces supply ammos to these abu sayaf group and they both earn from the ransom. if the government are seriously wanting to wipe them out, it really can be done in less than a month. President Erap Estrada started it but of course the Generals won't be earning anymore if the terrorist groups don't exist so they find ways Erap Estrada to be oust and they succeeded.


Title: Re: The Killing of a Western Hostage in the Philippines
Post by: escrowboy on June 20, 2016, 02:54:09 PM
If those who are in power responded with a drop of 100 000k troops when this happens, it wouldn't happen.
You can't expect fast move here in Philippine, government here are so lame. They just move fast when being notice by media man and like boasting they are doing their best but they really not when media are not around.


Title: Re: The Killing of a Western Hostage in the Philippines
Post by: carlisle1 on June 20, 2016, 05:22:51 PM
One of four hostages abducted in the Philippines last September has been killed hours after a Monday deadline for a $6.5 million ransom expired.  
The al-Qaeda-linked Abu Sayyaf group kidnapped four people from a resort on Samal Island in September 2015. The hostages—John Ridsdel and Robert Hall, both Canadian; Marites Flor, a Filipina; and Kjartan Sekkingstad, a Norwegian––all had appeared in a video asking their governments to secure their release. Earlier Monday, Abu Sayyaf demanded a $6.5 million ransom and threatened to behead a hostage if the money wasn’t delivered by 3 p.m. When that deadline passed, a severed head was dropped into the town center in Jolo. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau confirmed that Ridsdel had been killed. Filipino authorities have not officially identified the victim. Reuters reported:
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“We are being very careful, we can't say whose head it was,” army spokesman Major Felimon Tan told reporters, adding that tests would be carried out to identify the victim.

Residents found the head in the center of Jolo town. Tan said two men on a motorcycle were seen dropping a plastic bag containing the severed head.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/04/philippines-abu-sayyaf/479787/

But also Robert Hall has been beheaded by those evil , i cant imagine that they can do it that easy to kill and behead a human aside they are also a human , how can they do it easily they are just like killing an animal i cant imagine that some filipino cam do that Without a fear .