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I was wondering what will happen to bitcointalk forum's signature campaigns if bitcoin price reach very high say $10,000 per bitcoin? will campaign continue to run as current payouts which would be in thousands dollar per member or will all campaigns suddenly come to halt because nobody would want to spend their coins

Well... what do you guess? ;)

The reward will go down again. The same thing was done by Bit-X when the price of bitcoin went over 350.
When the price go over 500 dollar i think the reward will be adjusted.

Firstly, how do you imagine that if bitcoin price reach $10000 signature campaigns could keep current payrates. Do you think they are idiots and they want to bankrupt. If bitcoin price will rise, they will simply adjust campaign payment rates to current price.

Rates will be adjusted to be lower, but competitive with other deals. Miss the 2013/2014 rush on here :(

Exactly, there is no way in hell that campaigns will keep paying the amount they do now. They will adjust their rates so they have the same monetary value. If they cannot adjust their rates fast enough to keep up with the rate at which Bitcoin increases in value, they will shift to a monetary value policy until it stops increasing so rapidly.

Now, to be fair, they could hypothetically keep the rate the same with Bitcoin they had before the increases, but once that fund runs out, they would have to decrease the rates, and chances are they'd avoid doing that and aim for maximum advertising revenue while spending the least amount.

There won't be anymore signature campaigns. The owners will be basking in the sun on a beach somewhere living off the bitcoin that they made from the campaigns in the first place  ::).

I think they adjust they rate if that happens, but if they do that many bitcointalk user i think they will not want that happen because like me this is the easiest way to earn bitcoin by just posting but they adjust they rate..

Signature campaigns are advertising. That`s it! This forum is full with people that use BTC and where is currently best place to advertise any bitcoin service then here?

I see signature campaigns come and go, some are here for very long time. I believe they will be here until they find some better place to advertise their service, even then I don`t think they will abandon this place. Bitcointalk forum is growing, so this is no.1 place for bitcoin users and I believe it will stay like that.

That's right. they will only lower the payment like 1 satoshi per post of the price of the bitcoin will increase that way. it will not possible that the sign campaigns will gone because it is where they earning money too.

I also think this will happen if the bitcoin rises, although I of course do not hope this will happen but the chance is big that this will happen.
The campaign payout will be adjusted for sure, they are just waiting on the right moment.

10 000 dollars per bitcoin would mean more money  for us... as rates would be any thing from 5-50 dollars per post

Untrue. You think those companies would have that much held in escrow for campaigners? You are not going to see such money pulled out of these companies hands for simple ascii advertising. They would move onto television media or google ads.

Unfortunately signature rewards are somewhat tied to the fiat value of BTC so if it rises to that amount, it would probably be too little.  Than again the now miners fee would probably be a dollar by than

Signature campaigns would probably be re-scaled in accordance with bitcoin's price. Or, signature campaigns might vanish from bitcointalk since service owners won't need to advertise for their service because bitcoin now has gained popularity among the general masses and the whole world. Potential customers themselves would seek for these services and little advertisement is needed for that to happen (sans signature campaigns, probably.)

For now its impossible to reach $10,000 per Bitcoin, but all knows that signature campaigns will sureky adjust to bitcoins current price.
Like now yobit knows price of bitcoin slowly pumping so they remove the campaign at jr members.

I didn't say they will continue paying current rates.
No.I think if bitcoin price reach $10,000, there would be more signature campaigns because more people will join bitcoin community and all bitcoin related business will flourish

I'm going to focus on both of your #2 points, as for the first person you responded to, there's always more money to be had and more people looking to make that money. They'll be off on a beach, but they won't abandon their companies. They'll most likely ramp up their advertising, leading me to your point, I don't think there will necessarily be more signature campaigns, because, if my hypothesis is correct, the big players will ramp up the size of their campaigns and try to drown the competitors out. There will be more campaigns, but we might not see all of them due to volume.

I don't think they removed Jr. members because of the value going up, I think they were removed because there were accounts being spammed out and there was very little effort being put in by the Jr. Members of the campaign.

I can very easily be biased with this statement, but realistically it sounds likely.

It will be re adjusted if the price go high up to even $1000 i see some signature campaigns have already done this scenario during december 2015 when price shifted from $230-$350 secondstrade, bit-x reduced their payrates in btc while magical dice  shifted their pay rates to fiat so itll be evenly balanced.

I think the reward will go down, They will adjust our sig campaign fee,They cant pay us higher than their rates

For now its impossible to reach $10000 but who knows.
Payment will be adjust a little and posting will decrease in my opinion.

I think if that happens, the payment will be based signature campaign to USD. because each implementing signature campaign certainly did not want to lose. it is not uncommon for the greater value of a bitcoin payment rates signature will be calculated by the value of the USD.

Obviously the reward will go down. We cant do anything just agree on that if that happen. But if that happen we dont loose because the price is $10000 so ithink if they down the reward the price of their reward is the same of the price of the last price they give to others.

Yes, it will probably be a quite different world for bitcoin holders financially if it was 10k.  The whole game will change and this will be a memory.

Well that is a very good question but because bitcoin is not stable and if it will hit $1000 for these year(Hoping.. ;D)

And most probably the payment will depends in the value of bitcoin to US dollar for the reward in any campaigns.

So  guess the price will stay near the same to the price for what the price now,

Check the campaign threads. Many managers are extremely active in adjusting the payouts to match the market. It might be more sensible for them to price it in cents even if that's the height of defeat.  Make sure you sig away while the prices are still low and enjoy the potential benefits in the years to come. In the future you might be able to tell people that once upon a time you were paid what's now hundreds of dollars a week to post dick jokes on a forum.

As dollar goes high i think the sig would also increase. And think 10000 usd is a little too high and lets be realistic by that time then government will impose tax on it cause it a high price.

It will but the price following the price of bitcoins. I mean, if the price of bitcoin $10.000, the rates for signature campaign will decrease and keep continue.

they are not a charity program, they pay us for advertising, it wouldn't be profitable for them to pay us thousands of dollars for ads.

just store the bitcoin you get now, and maybe in a couple of years you'll have earned a small fortune on posting on these forums while also learning more about bitcoin in the process.

maybe you will even learn enough and/or pick up some ideas you can use to set up your own bitcoin related company or something.

I wasn't an early adopter but i think in the really early days there were faucets and sig campaigns that gave away whole bitcoins. There were even IRCs where they gave away bitcoins by the 100s just for fun. Sad thing i didn't know about bitcoin back than, but keep in mind that bitcoins were not even worth cents back then. So 50 bitcoin was like $0.01 in total.

Go to signature campaigns and you can see that some of them already adjusting their prices or limiting the participants willing to join. This is just another way to adjust while the prices go high instead of closing the campaign. But, maybe if the price would go that high some of them will close.

I think they will work with people but money will be smth like 0.001 btc or maybe less i don't know. But a lot of service need promotion and signature capaigns is good so they will work anyway.

technically speaking some of these signature campaigns should never change their rate (like bitmixer that was the same as long as i remember) because their business only works in bitcoin like a dice site that people play with only bitcoin so their earning doesn't change so their ad funds are the same.

but in reality they will lower their rate by bitcoin price rising. and a couple have stopped advertising already because of this (paused!)

I beleive that also o think it cannot effect on signature earnings because they will earn big money to if it reach to high price and the campaign. Will go stronger because the site we campaigning is gaining more traffic and money because of sig campaign ads. But maybe some of them are closing because they see their site are not earning well and they well lose money if they continue it without gaining profit for themselves

Simple math, Campaign will pay out about  $3-$5. if Bitcoin worth $10000, then each week a person will get about 0.0003btc, that is for about 10-15 posts, so each post will worth about 0.00003 btc.

This is my estimation.

This happened last year when rate of BTC-USD soared to it's highest and I remember this is one of the reason why Coinut signature campaign was discontinued and magicaldice campaign used USD rates. A lot of campaigns at that time restructured their payouts but not those with automatic payments like Bitmixer.

In my dream btc reach 10.000$. Signature campaign don't adjust and we're all allowed to spam on a dedicated forum making us rich doing nothing else than spamming some bullshit ... ;)

If that happens we can see large number of users coming into our forum. I believe no more adjustment in price would happen as old campaigns continue with the same payment even during the days of increased bitcoin price.

I think i will stop btc for a while and enjoy an outside life.

yeah of course depends on the rate of bitcoin. if the price rises of course almost all owner signature campaign will reduce their post rate. it was not a problem for us :D

Based on recent events, yobit signature campaign to tighten the rules, and I think this is due to the growth of Bitcoin course.
And as you say, at a price of $ 10,000, I would not think any campaign, it is very costly. Or will pay a very small amount.

I am sure there will be price adjustments so it's good to try and be active and collect the maximum we can from our campaigns. I was very busy of late and had some personal family health issues to deal with but now I am active again so it's quite nice.  :)

Of course there have to be adjustments at some point.
Otherwise campaign runners would have to pay a lot more for the same work they get in return. That makes no sense if you look at it the economic way.
The question is how to make those adjustments. They can either decrease the amount they pay per post or reduce the number of payed posts.

When i was here before the rewards from the campaign are high unlike now.. and i think if the price of bitcoin goes up and up the rate of campaign will decrease and they are just relay in the value of bitcoin.. so for now better to collect your bitcoins in signature campaign to make  profit for the future..  because we see that the price is increasing day by day and i think more increase it will affect our campaign in services section... the rates will decrease when the value of bitcoin was increasing...

It's happened before when the price rose, some campaigns adjusted their payout rates.  There was some chaos as one campaign that I can't remember the name of changed their rates mid period instead of waiting until the next period.  Although I think in most of the campaign now it will be stated that payment rates can change so there are no surprises.

At the end of the day they are all businesses and they need to make money as well as get exposure, the amount of bitcoin paid will be adjusted as the price rises and hopefully the same would be the case if the price dropped.

Rates will be adjusted for obvious reasons, but it also depends on how a service with a signature campaign is getting its income.

If it generates BTC income only, then they can keep offering high rates as they don't have to buy them.

But if they have to buy their coins with $$$ to pay out signature participants, then rates will be lower than a service gaining their revenue solely with Bitcoin.

No they will change the payrate even when price get up by 30%. This has happened also before so it will happen in future too. There are only few campaigns which have not changed their rate when even price get up by 50%. Depends upon campaign runner and manager and i also think its good idea for them to reduce pay per post rate according to market movement (only in big moves).

I don't really care about price adjustment since the payment that we get always the same if converter to dollar after the adjustment

I just hope no company would go bankrupt with sudden price movement

Imagine if the price suddenly rise to $900 and then the signature company need to pay us with $460 rates
Imagine the money we would get and the loss on the other side :P

This has happened to Coinut, the price suddenly increased from $200-ish to $300-ish
I forgot the exact number but I was there, it took them a few weeks for a payout with many people scared that coinut would run away, good thing it didn't :)

10,000 will never happen, quote me now.

1000 is very much so in the realm of possibility, but once it hits that it will crash again like last time.

Correct it's the way it goes with bitcoin. Big up, big down. Be it a month or a year the price always comes down, since there are some whales around.
But if the price went to let's say 1K. i am sure the sig. campaigns would lower their fees.

Bitcoin price will not affect signature campaign imo, the campaign will still continue with lower rate. Most campaign has max amount to spend on the campaign. So they just need to adjust the rate based on the bitcoin price.

I believe they will adjust the BTC payment per posts in comparison with dollar price. The important is the dollar, if each post gives 10.000 satoshi today ($0.046), when Bitcoin reaches to $920, I believe each post will gives 5.000 satoshi ($0.046), same amount anyway...

You are taking in consideration an event to take place not in the very near future and not in near future either, when price of Bitcoin reaches 10.000USD I just need to have 10 BTC sitting in my wallet to not care about what will happen with the payment of signature campaign. So am waiting for that day, but I know it will be not during until 2020 at least.

I think the rate will be lowered, but it will depend on the campaign owner, if lowering the rate just to continue with the campaign then that's fine, but if the owner don't get enough benefit from the campaign, then probably they will close it...

I was thinking, they might use alt coins to pay participants...  :) which I think would make a lot of vacant positions in the campaign, as we all know, only few is keen in collecting this alt coins..  :)

When that day comes I think the rates will be lowered, actually the campaign where I am in now if you fill all their requirements , is paying quite good monthly you can get as a full member almost 0.10 Bitcoins if the majority of the posts is in the gambling section. Till that day I love every single payment I receive in bitcoins, signature campaign or not.

usually if bitcoin prices rise up then the pay rates will decrease but if bitcoin goes to $10000 i'm so doubt any companies will run signature campaign because the costs will more expensive than advertise on forum so if bitcoin prices will reach very high i think signature campaign will not exist any longer in these forum

I think it's either they will adjust and lower the pay out or they will halt the campaign...Lowering the payout would be fair to those who are involved in signature campaign But if the campaign found no good  in running their campaign, even when they are paying lesser fees to their participants, better to stop it for a while..

the payment of signature campaigns are mostly determined from their competition, although the price of bitcoin affects it greatly but this means that they always look at other advertisers (their competitors) and then set their own prices. because if they have lower rate nobody will join them except the rejects.

of course the product will continue to be advertised dude of course with a different rate may be only 500 satoshi Per post or smaller?
PerPost rate of course depends also on the price of bitcoin the current high prices certainly many signature campaign to lower the rate PerPost of the
as happened some time ago

First off, it should've been obvious (common sense, actually) that the rewards would go down. It doesn't have to be $10,000 for the campaigns to change their rewards per post. I'd say probably when the value nears $600, probably every signature campaign would change their rewards. And no. The campaigns wouldn't suddenly come to a halt because of that unless the site (or whatever they are promoting) received enough publicity.

With rising of BTC price we could see lowering of pay rates but also we have many new campaigns that slowly increasing their payments, so after all i'm expecting slowly increasing of rates with more competition, this is normal..This don't means that you can expect 1000$ per month for few posts..This wont happend!

Most signature campaigns pay in terms of bitcoin for every post.For example 0.0004 per post.Bitcoin price can fluctuate from lower to higher during this period.Suppose bitcoin was $400 at the beginning of week for any campaign,now in 4-5 days something dramatic happens and price of bitcoin increases to $4000,will campaigns still pay 0.0004 per post?

It will not be a big problem imho because it can be discussed between participants and the campaign owner. If the campaigns still pay with the same rate so it will be our benefit but if the campaign decide to adjust rate, we should accept and appreciate it.

I think that signature campaign holders will change this soon or later, they will change the pay out rate later on if the price will rise.
I really have no doubt about the fact that they will its logical.

We have the free will to agree with the new rates or not, let's see what will happen... I think they will just adjust the new BTC rates (after halving) with the dollar price, so we will earn the same amount that we are earning today (less satoshi, but balanced with the dollar price). Better to enjoy the actual rates per post, hold the BTC until halving to make biggest profit.

Obviously the campaign rates will drop dramatically, according to the current BTC price. But in a hyperinflation scenario, $10,000 might only be worth around $400 USD in 2016. So if BTC proves to be a good hedge against inflation(which I think it is), then the campaign rates won't change at all.

Yeah you right that i think if the bitcoin price will rise it will surely affect to sig campaign salaries  and campaigm owners will low their fee to their participant so they can sustain their campaign for a long time, and i really hope the current campaign will not chance its fee.

I think the dollar rate is similar before and after the bitcoin price rise. The bitconi rate will reduce after the price rise.

you must now collect and collect btc from the signature campigns ,while waiting for the bitcoin to reach the 10.000$..
and when that time comes , the rate on each post on signature campaigns will divided by 100 on each post you made,

The bitcointalk Forums Signature Campaigns will continue even if the price of bitcoin will rise @10,000 but they would change the rate of bitcoin. If members earn 0.0026 they change it the amount of bitcoin but they would change as the same price of 0.0026 in bitcoins price at 10,000 so that we can continue the Signsture Campaign here in bitcointalk.

There is indeed a chance that the pay out rates will change but this is depending on the bitcoin price itself.
I think it will not happen soon but if the price increases it will happen for sure without a doubt.

You should look at the recent prices, with the rumor of Satoshi revealing himself the price has gone up pretty significantly
If this keep going like this we may reach 480 or even 500 in a few days, and with that price we will sure see adjustment if that did happen :P
So better store your money earned from campaigns as our coin might worth more later :)

They would have to adjust rates and probably put funds in escrow for a safe transaction because the price would be quiet high and there would be a much higher demand to join these signature campaigns.

it may still continue so long as bitcoin isn't the main currency use by regular people. if indeed bitcoin will reach 10K and even the kids knew about bitcoin, advertisers may just move to the adnetworks which can somehow still target users outside the community.

it happened in past also. most of bitcoin signature campaign changed the payout rates when price of bitcoin go high. except bitmixer. bitmixer didn't lower price when bitcoin price was 600$ previous year.
it is depends on the companies affords. if company afford the price they don't decrease rates.

When I started using signature campaigns, I have got around 0.2 to 0.3 BTC a weeks just for posting 50 posts and more. Of course the price was around $150. Now the Bitcoin prices are lower but the fiat price is higher. Good programs substain the price in fiat. For that reason, the prices in fiat keep stable, in Bitcoin however, they increase and decrease depending on Bitcoin fiat price.

It all depends on what the campaign managers want to pay. Some campaigns continue paying the same rates for more than year while the price doubled during this period. Others changed their rates when the price rises. So there is no one role that all follow

$10k for each bitcoin? you are in dream man  :)
If bitcoin price will rise, they will simply adjust campaign payment rates to current price or possibility to halt campaign  ;D

The signature campaign price has dropped a lot from early last year. That is in proportional to the rise of bitcoin price.

No of course some will let it stay like this but I think if the price is gonna rise for sure to a higher amount they will and I also think its logical.
Most likely they will change the pay out rates soon or later.

This means we will have a hard time earning bitcoin because now with signature campaigns we can make 1 bitcoin in 3-4 months but if signature campaigns reduce their payment rates following increase in bitcoin price,we wont be able to add up upto 1 bitcoin.It means it is in our interest bitcoin price stays at current rate

;D u must be a really funny guy there, mind full of humors. ;D ::)
you know its answer by yourself !!

The payment will be changed by other coins are like, ripple,nubits, not use bitcoin.

I think if the price doubles some campaign will still pay the same rates , I was in a campaign before and at that time the price increased around 20% and when people asked if they were going to reduce the rate they said that they are paying bitcoins so their members shouldn't think about the USD value
but at that time most of the campaigns reduced their rates
now when we are talking about crazy prices like you mentioned the campaigns will definitely reduce their rates , cause advertising on TV would be better I guess if they will keep paying at today's rates  ;D

Some will let the rates as it is right now but there also will be a lot of signature campaigns that will change the pay out rates for sure.
The point is that its logic that they will because the price is gonna rise.

Well that is an easy answer the signatures will reduce their payment rates the same way they did from the last year to this one,they were paying 20 dollars exchanged value they paying and they reducing and said we wont be paying 40 dollars for the work we paid before as 20 soo we will reduce.Some signatures will limit their post others will reduce payment rates and others may dont change nothing but can limit the new users to join soo several things will affect as the price reach above values.